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Possible sale of surplus Govt 1911’s
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Huntcell 05-Jan-18
Annony Mouse 05-Jan-18
Salagi 05-Jan-18
Annony Mouse 05-Jan-18
SB 05-Jan-18
foxbo 05-Jan-18
Glunt@work 06-Jan-18
Thumper 06-Jan-18
Grey Ghost 06-Jan-18
Highlife 06-Jan-18
tonyo6302 06-Jan-18
Woods Walker 06-Jan-18
Ace 06-Jan-18
DL 06-Jan-18
JTV 06-Jan-18
keepemsharp 06-Jan-18
Shuteye 07-Jan-18
BIG BEAR 07-Jan-18
JTV 07-Jan-18
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From: Huntcell
05-Jan-18

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According to article all is needed is Trumps signature to start process of the goverment disposing of old inventory of iconic 1911 pistol.

This is the link of the organization that will be handling the sale

Interesting. Quote from their website

1911 QUESTION & ANSWER

Q: Can you ship to California? A: 1911s from CMP will be allowed into California because they meet the California definition of Curio and Relic. They will ship to 01, or 02, or 03 FFLs in California.

And another: Concerning sale price of the 1911s: CMP has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+ years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced at fair market value just like our M1 Garands. The CMP's enabling legislation directs sales of items at fair market value

From: Annony Mouse
05-Jan-18
To purchase, one must be a member of a CMP registered club.

Appears that there are alternate ways of participating in this. From FOX News:

"Active-duty service member, reservist, National Guardsman, veteransand CMP’s “special affiliates” members are all eligible to purchase one.

Special affiliate members are folks who belong to congressionally chartered veterans service organizations and professional organizations like the Fraternal Order of Police.

So if you don’t fall within those categories then you need a membership with a CMP-affiliated club. These can be found across the United States and often membership will set you back around $20 to $30."

From: Salagi
05-Jan-18
Dad had one he bought years ago (at least 50) through either the NRA or the CMP. It is a Remington Rand. He gave it to my brother last year since he has an interest in WWII. My sister's oldest son has ended up with the 45/70 trap door Dad bought from the same program for $15. That's OK, he gave me a 7.7 Jap he "liberated" from the Tokyo Arsenal while he was there as part of the occupation force.

From: Annony Mouse
05-Jan-18
From the CMP website:

1911 Information

The latest information on the 1911's will be posted on this page.

If you would like to sign up for our Sales Email Updates, please visit thecmp.org/email/.

December 19, 2017

The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.

Some preliminary decisions further clarified updated 12/19/2017:

CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer's name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.

Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt. CMP will price at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.

Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01, or 02, or 07 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.

A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.

The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check, in which the information is provided by the FFL holder to NICS, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.

Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.

No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales. All 1911 orders will come in via USPS, UPS, Fed EX, etc.

CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.

Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery, USPS, UPS, Fed Ex, etc.

Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.

Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.

The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.

Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.

When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one 1911 type pistol.

As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grades and pricing options will be available.

Reasons for the two NICS checks:

First Reason: The first NICS check makes sure the customer can legally possess the 1911 type pistol prior to shipping it to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL dealer. The CMP, Congress, and the United States Army do not want the 1911 to have to be shipped back to CMP 1911 if the purchaser is not legal to possess. The more in transit the pistol is, the more likely it could be lost or stolen. The second NICS check is performed by the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL in accordance with their standard transfer procedures.

Second Reason: CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress specifies that the purchaser “successfully pass a thorough and complete background check”, i.e. NICS. CMP cannot turn any firearm over to the purchaser until it receives a “proceed” from NICS, the local FFL can turn the pistol over after 72 business hours have elapsed if they have not heard back from NICS. Turning the pistol over after 72 hours and not getting a “proceed” does not satisfy CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress. This leaves CMP no choice but to have a NICS check done and get a “proceed” to satisfy its enabling legislation, before shipping to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL.

Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by an FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one the information provided by CMP to NICS and the second the information will be provided to NICS by the FFL dealer in which the pistol is shipped.

Ordering Information: CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.

Concerning sale price of the 1911s: CMP has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+ years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced at fair market value just like our M1 Garands. The CMP's enabling legislation directs sales of items at fair market value.

Mark Johnson Chief Operating Officer Civilian Marksmanship Program

From: SB
05-Jan-18
I got mine from the government in 1968.

From: foxbo
05-Jan-18
I bought my 1911 A1 made by Springfield Armory back in 88? Don't need anymore. Don't need to kiss butt to get anything. BTW, I am a vet too.

From: Glunt@work
06-Jan-18
Although it would be sort of neat from a collector standpoint. There are many fantastic 1911 choices on the market. Many aren't that expensive, have less stipulations and only require freedom to be infringed on once during the purchase.

From: Thumper
06-Jan-18
"I got mine from the government in 1968."

We also left 90k of them in Thailand when we left SE Asia. Never issued, the 1911 frame was to large for Thai soldiers.

From: Grey Ghost
06-Jan-18
Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01, or 02, or 07 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.

Way to many hoops for me to jump thru for a so-so handgun. I'll pass.

Matt

From: Highlife
06-Jan-18
I agree just got off that website too much bs to go thru for a gun that has a boatload of civilian choices.

From: tonyo6302
06-Jan-18
While in the Marines, I had to qualify with the 1911 several times. I never had a 1911 that was worth a s&1t for accuracy. . . . and yes, I qualified Expert.

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The upper receivers and barrels were always too sloppy loose, probably from decades of use, and it seemed I always had to use Kentucky windage, aiming at the lower left of the target frame just to hit a bullseye. The front sight was not adjustable at all, except you could file it down. ( They would never let us do that )

If there was some way to find one with limited use, then it would be a bargain. Otherwise, buy a Kimber and be done with it.

Just my $0.2.

From: Woods Walker
06-Jan-18
***Footnote***

Did you know that the 1911 was originally designed as a CAVALRY weapon? It was easier reload off the back of a horse than a revolver, and had more than 6 shots.

From: Ace
06-Jan-18
Best guess, by guys who follow this stuff very closely, is that these will start at $1000 or so. For that you'll get a very well worn pistol made up of parts from several manufacturers. "Mixmaster" is the term they use. As several have pointed out, for that price you can get a pretty decent new or used 1911. You can also find mixmasters online for less, and you can see (inspect) them first unlike what the CMP does.

That said, I'm certain they will sell out, fast. Lots of interest, but it seems as if much of it is coming from people new to (or not all that familiar with) the 1911 platform.

From: DL
06-Jan-18
A former boss years ago used to shoot competively for the Army. He had 2 1911s that were accurized. He had over 30,000 rounds of .45 ammo in his shop that the army gave him. He let me use one on a weekend and gave me 100 Rounds to shoot. Is in my early twenty’s so no ear Protection was used. It was 1970 so I went up the coast to shoot it. I went up on the cliffs over the ocean trying to shoot seagulls as they glided by. Took a week for the ringing in my ears to go away. The seagulls were pretty safe. I could have hit more throwing rocks. They are a wonderful piece of history. It’s amazing that such an old design has become the most copied handgun around. I bought a stainless Colt years latter.

From: JTV
06-Jan-18
I had one as my sidearm as a sniper, I was as deadly with it as I was with my M40A1... I love those .45's .....I would love to have one, however, with the odds of getting one considering the numbers that will be available and those wanting one, I'll pass ....

From: keepemsharp
06-Jan-18
An old friend, spent the entire WII in a sub. Shot on a navy pistol team and did very well. Got to spend some time with Bill Ruger. He had high praise for the 1911 but maybe they were hand picked. I carried a couple of them in '68 and '69, can't say much how good they were.

From: Shuteye
07-Jan-18
Back in the 60's you could buy them for $50 along the road in Virginia. There would be tables full of them. My buddy bought a couple and I spent my $75 on a used Model 12 shotgun in 20 ga. No paper work at all. One morning when we got off work at 8 AM, we drove to the Bridge Tunnel, went across and my buddy knew where the sale was right along the edge of the highway. We also hit all the Dunkin' Donut shops along the way. I wouldn't trade a one Dunkin Donut for a dozen Krispy Cream donuts. Yet all I hear down South is Krispy Cream. They even sell them in other stores so they can't be fresh. I mean still hot fresh.

From: BIG BEAR
07-Jan-18

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Seems like a lifetime ago...

From: JTV
07-Jan-18
Darn Squids ... thanks for all those rides ;0)

From: BIG BEAR
07-Jan-18
Ha !!!

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