Calling Haiti and other countries in Africa 'shitholes' is a new low for trump. Mia Love, someone highly respected has called for him to apologize, calling his words "unkind, divisive, elitist, and fly in the face of our nation's values." Some of you will find a way to justify this, but the fact remains, this president is a stone cold bigot.
Trump wants more people from countries like Norway. Now tell me, why would people from developed countries with great healthcare, superior education, better retirement programs and better infrastructure want to move the USA?
I've been to Haiti...it is a shit hole. If he said it, he's not lying. I personally don't care what he says. Actions mean more to me. Everyone of these shit holes has a common denominator... a corrupt government that dictates what the people will and won't do. Kind of reminds me of what the liberals in this country are vying for. You clowns won't be satisfied until the US becomes one of those shit holes.
I love his honesty. I've been to Africa and most countries there ARE shitholes. I've been to Norway as well, wonderful country that is being overrun with muslims. I agree with Trump, we don't need a bunch of goat-humping muslims from African shithole countries coming to the US. Now get lost Sybil.
you maybe forgot that Haitians and Africans make up members of our gov't, our military, our governors and citizens. I'm sure our enlisted men and women of Haitian descent appreciate their Commander denigrating their family heritage Also, a number of trumps workers are Haitian and African.
Flashback to September 2016: Trump tells Haitian-American voters “I really want to be your biggest champion” You voted for and support a racist bigot. Admit it.
I've been to alot of Caribbean countries. Haiti is a tough place. Been there twice and it was depressing. Don't forget the U.S. has probably done more for Haiti in aid than most other countries. Every time I hear someone whine about something in the US being 3rd world...it's easy to laugh at them.
"'m sure our enlisted men and women of Haitian descent appreciate their Commander denigrating their family heritage Also, a number of trumps workers are Haitian and African." I would be willing to bet the men and women of Haitian descent agree with Trumps assessment. It seems the painty waists in this country have to continually find a cause to justify wearing their panties in a bunch constantly. get over it.
those places are in dire need of help, for sure. But is this what we've become? Disparaging and name calling places? Where is the humanity? Class? Dignity? I've given up on the fact that trump will never be presidential. He can't, he never will. But lets not debase ourselves by saying its ok to speak this way. As Maya Angelou said, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."
I agree with Mia, he should apologize. Being honest and being stupid are 2 different things.
We should look at the type of people we let into our country..but dont deny them because they come from a certain country. There are good and bad people in every country. Trump needs to learn to comtrol his mouth.
Funny thing though..we see how hypocritical the media is, Obama made several racist comments but was given a free pass by the media.
I wonder if those that bring Trump's faults to light were as eager to do the same for Obama?
Yes, there are some crappy countries but the good people that live there can't always help what their crappy governmnet does.
I don't care where they come from. If any immigrant can't support himself and family, then why allow them into the Country? We're in debt up to our eyeballs. We can not afford more people on the government hand out. Call it like it is, a shit hole is a shit hole and we as Americans have no use for them here.
I wonder if all forms of liberalism is some sort of communicable disease? It seems that the mental aberration that seems to become associated with proregressivism is spreading world wide. Thank God that holding conservative views seems to provide some form of immunization from this unknown virus...
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Make no mistake, Trump is not only against illegal immigration but rather he is against immigration of people who are not white. This has been made abundantly clear after his last statement. Acknowledging that and accepting it makes you complicit, and a fellow bigot.
atheist. You are a LYING FRAUD. Make no mistake. What happened to Boone? 8^) You can pick you democrats, a mile away. All you have to do is wait for them to say something stupid, and hang themselves, and POOF, atheist shows up to remove all doubt, just how IGNORANT a democrat can be. 8^)
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Looking for the difference. I know one was used by a presidential candidate to describe 50% of the American voters and the media did not go apocalyptic. In fact, not only did they carry the water for her, they filled the buckets.
To answer the question "Why does he hang around here?" He loves the attention and spittle lipped, fingers pecking furiously at the keyboard responses. If you(we) ignore him, he'll nervously scamper away.
Well, here's my take on it. When we have NO AMERICAN sleeping under a bridge, When we have NO AMERICAN going to bed hungry, When we have NO AMERICANS wanting for proper health care, THEN AND ONLY THEN, will I be for immigration. I, for one, am sick and tired of seeing my tax money being used to support people who demand they live better than the people who support them. The President only echoed what millions of Americans have been saying for decades.
Not one single person should be able to immigrate to this country unless they are going to be a net positive addition. I don't care where they are from, if they are going to be a lifelong leech they should not be here. I also am not willing to take a chance on any person from countries with known terrorist ties for any reason.
That should go without saying, and what should also go without saying is that if you do want to move here, then it must be done LEGALLY or not at all. That seems to be the part some people have a problem understanding.
"Make no mistake, Trump is not only against illegal immigration but rather he is against immigration of people who are not white. This has been made abundantly clear after his last statement. Acknowledging that and accepting it makes you complicit, and a fellow bigot."
I am a complicit deplorable!!!!! I don't want people from shithole countries ruining my country
""Trump is not only against illegal immigration but rather he is against immigration of people who are not white. This has been made abundantly clear after his last statement. Acknowledging that and accepting it makes you complicit, and a fellow bigot. ""
Nonsense. That makes me a person who voted for a man that has USA interests his #1 priority. Very refreshing.
Would they be coming to America if their own countries WEREN'T "Shitholes"? I think not..
Trump is referring to the country proper, not the people. And for the record, I agree with Bowfreak...regardless of who or where you're from...if you don't have something positive to contribute by coming to America then you should get the door slammed in your face. If we keep allowing this sift of a border and immigration before you know it other countries will be referring to us as the "shithole".
"President Trump acknowledged Friday that he used "tough" language during a meeting on efforts toward a bipartisan immigration deal but appeared to deny using the term "shithole" to refer to some countries." "The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made — a big setback for DACA!" Trump wrote on Twitter."
Trump is an all American A-TYPICAL business person and uses board room language when he wants to drive home a point or gain a advantage and could care less what others may think. That is the way he lived his life in N.Y. because otherwise he would have been gobbled up and spit out. Conducting business in N.Y. and face to face negotiations at bid proposals with many giants is indeed a wake up call. I was never happier to be born in S. Philly and be able to switch gears instantly after the formal introductions. The language and aloofness was comforting to me because it was, as they say "right up my ally". I expected much different and prepared accordingly when in reality I was supremely prepared naturally in word slang and tone.. I was a Brooklyn cousin and it paid off and continues. That said. I am disappointed that Trump refuses to "switch gears" when the bulldozer is not required to drive the point. He best realize that to bulldoze someone is fine but to back up and finish the job is overkill. He crushed his opponents in this manner doing business and the image of stacked bones kept the competition at a disadvantage. This, being politics, is a entirely different game. The man is Teddy Roosevelt on steroids. I like that and the "stick" but did not like this at all. I will not desert him because I believe his intentions are only for the absolute good of America but we have people in America who believe that America is the problem. Something he should have left unsaid or chose his words a bit more carefully. Hard for me to swallow.
“Trump is referring to the country proper, not the people.”
While he might not have called the people a version of the word “shit,” the whole thrust of the statement is referencing the people. He questioned why on earth we should let in anyone from a “shithole” country. To paraphrase "Why do we want all these PEOPLE from 'shithole countries' coming here?"
It’s obvious his belief is that people from these places can’t possibly add any value to American society because of where they come from. That is the problem with what he said.
Of course many places around the world are shitholes. We happen to have shitholes in this country too - should we discriminate against people who leave in this country’s shitholes?
Hillary Clinton took millions of dollars to build a hospital in Haiti. She kept the money and there is no hospital and that was years ago. She helped make Haiti more of a shithole country. See anything about this on the Lame Stream Media?
If you're right gator, perhaps the reason he doesn't want to take the people is because they'll bring the value system, the culture, and the associated headaches that lead to a country becoming a "shithole".
I just don't get some of you, and your open door open arm policy to any and everybody! Would you leave the locks on your own home open, just leave the door open to anybody that wanted to enter your home for whatever reason? Hell NO you wouldn't, so then why would you take a come one come all stance for America? America is your home too if you didn't know that!
This is really a beautiful thing. Here we have Ryan from Athiest, atheist, and bigeasyliberal all playing pattyleftist with each other. A true teletubby moment!
Should we discriminate against people in this country's shitholes bigeasyliberal says. If they are here illegally of course! We desperately need border control and that begins with making the word illegal mean something again. Like someone said, those people are trying to leave those shitholes because they are shitholes. If we don't have shithole control we will become a shithole, the whole nation. Love it when blind dumb sheep call President Trump a racist or bigot. THAT coming from those who supported OBOZO the America hating race pimp. Wilson, FDR, LBJ, OBOZO, the REAL and TRUE bigots and racists. Huh, all democraps!
Some monkey are smarter than some humans. The originator of this thread would not fare well in such a comparison. Likewise, the majority of the people who might want to escape certain countries would not benefit America as the majority of folks from other countries. Bringing in the MS-13 folks from El Salvador has not benefitted America. Bringing in people from certain countries that just replicate their existence in s-hole countries is not as helpful to America as bringing in people that wish to assimilate as Americans. My grandparents would not let people speak anything but English in their home because they were now Americans. '
But this is the twitter America, where everything is taken out of context or in the worst possible context to gain some political point and "be offended." Apt in the age of the wimp, I suppose, but boring and tiresome. The question is a legitimate one, if we are caring about America's interests first, rather than those of Haiti, El Salvador, Syria, or some other armpit of a nation. But let's all act like he tortured small puppies on the internet to feign outrage.
"Make no mistake, Trump is not only against illegal immigration but rather he is against immigration of people who are not white. This has been made abundantly clear after his last statement. Acknowledging that and accepting it makes you complicit, and a fellow bigot."
And Make no mistake, Democrats are for illegal immigration and they are against people that are white. This has been made abundantly clear after their last statement. Acknowledging that and accepting it makes you complicit, and a fellow bigot.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime".
It's unfortunate these people have to live in the conditions they do, feel worse for the kids as I look at how good mine have it, comparatively. What Trump is getting at, if these people came to this country, they would be forced to go on the system really through no fault of their own. But the democrats would certainly pick up votes and they would not even be willing to teach them how to fish. That would have to come from business owners first at the expense of those of us already here not being able to work and sustain ourselves...
For democrats, or anyone in general, to cry 'foul!' by not opening the floodgates to immigration clearly has no concept of how economics works.
Of course there are shithole spots in the world. There are shithole spots here at home, too. That's not up for debate. What is up for debate is whether being born in a shithole spot should resign you to a life there; that being born in a shithole makes you an inferior human being. That is where I disagree with the President.
"perhaps the reason he doesn't want to take the people is because they'll bring the value system, the culture, and the associated headaches that lead to a country becoming a "shithole"."
In case you missed it, the story of America has been a story of immigrants bringing their values and culture to this country since it was founded. As far as the last point, people have been talking about immigrants turning this country into a shithole for well over 100 years. My Mom's family is all from Italy. They all came here in the early 1900s. Guess what, back then Italy was considered a shithole and folks didn't think too highly of the "dagos" coming into this country. It's funny to me now to hear them spout the same arguments that would have kept them out of this country. People don't come to this country to replicate the shithole experience they're leaving -- why on Earth would they leave then? Makes no economic sense. They come for a better life, not to keep their shitty one. And guess what, as time passes, these people assimilate and become more American. Even if you don't like immigrants and their cultures, from a purely economic standpoint the data shows that immigrants are a net benefit to this country's economy.
"We desperately need border control and that begins with making the word illegal mean something again."
I don't understand how this conversation got torqued off on illegal immigration. Nobody is talking about illegal immigration. Trump's comments weren't in reference to illegal immigration.
And where did President Trump refer to these people as inferior? A culture that propagates their own failure, tyrants that use systematic totalitarian rule under the guise of socialism, people that continually make the same stupid mistakes certainly may be guilty of being stupid or weak. But as a people where did he say they are "inferior"? Their system is inferior making their shithole countries inferior.
"It’s obvious his belief is that people from these places can’t possibly add any value to American society because of where they come from. That is the problem with what he said."
The problem with this statement is we aren't able to determine if there is any value added by the people coming illegally from these shit holes, because it's mostly being done covertly and illegally. Until they start immigrating by the book, we have to assume there is no value to those sneaking in here.
Italy as in all European nations at that time never were "shit holes". They were culturally polished nations, much further along in that regard than America. Europeans had pride, deep culture, family values and professional crafts EXACTLY the ingredient which eventually spurned America's meteoric rise. Europeans flooded this country for the opportunity to ply their trades, too proud for a handout which was not coming at any expense. They fought their way up and out, determined to succeed. To set the record straight I would hope a politician would stand tall and proclaim once and for all " we are a nation built primarily of European immigrants" who have proven their worth without one American cent drained from the government coffers but oh how they contributed to those coffers to the overwhelming brim. What do these third world nations contribute when they land in America? The contribution is ALWAYS going the other way. This is not mathematically sustainable. It must end or the end will be closer than you think.
"And guess what, as time passes, these people assimilate and become more American."
No, actually they don't BEG. We've accommodated multi-culturalism to the point, they don't need to learn the English language. They don't need to assimilate because, well, they have no need to. Can't speak the language, it's ok. We'll spend taxpayer $$ to provide interpreters and documents in 80+ languages. Try that horseshit anywhere else in the world. We've become balkanized because of it.
"My grandparent would not let people speak anything but English in their home because they were now Americans. "
Same with my great-grand parents. They were PROUD to come here and didn't demand that the US accommodate their every need. They worked to assimilate. Not the other way around.
bb, Trump's comments on shitholes was in reference to legal immigration, not illegal immigration.
Rock, you need to go back and read a history book. The people coming from Italy and the other European nations at the time were not polished and skilled. They were fleeing an economic downturn, corruption, high levels of taxation, and social chaos. I guarantee you Southern Italy in 1900 looked a helluva lot like Haiti does today. They were living in dire poverty and destitution. There was no opportunity for them there, which is why they left for the land of opportunity. It is the same as what is happening now. To suggest that it is only European immigrants who have ever contributed economically to American society, that anyone else not born without white skin who has immigrated to this country has "ALWAYS" resulted in a net economic negative to this country, is the epitome of ignorance. You're a poor student of history and economics if you believe those things.
"No, actually they don't BEG...Try that horseshit anywhere else in the world. We've become balkanized because of it."
First off, "assimilation" is 100% in the eye of the beholder and it all is a matter of perspective. When I go home my family still cherishes Italian traditions and eats lots of Italian food. Does that mean we haven't assimilated? My grandparents were born here, but they still speak and understand the Italian language even though their first language is English? Does that mean they haven't assimilated. You say to try to get by with multi-culturalism anywhere else in the world and it wouldn't be tolerated, but I've been around the world and can tell you English is everywhere -- so it clearly is tolerated.
I'm curious if people like the OP of this thread ever called out Obama when he escalated racism in America by his making his racial comments about how bad black people are treated compared to white people? What Trump said should have not come out of his mouth but I suspect he was thinking more from a perspective of how bad the governments are from those countries. Common sense tells us we should screen those that come into our country. The comment Trump made will be taken as a racist comment and I can see why it would. What does bother me is how the left never called out Obama and his wife for fueling racial tension in America. I dont think there is anyone against racism more than I am...it is immoral.
Trump's mouth can be his worse enemy, though I do admire his honesty at times, but at times he doesn't use descretion with his speach. Mia Love is correct, he should apologize just because of how the comment could be interpreted.
I do get tired of how the left overlooks those on the left that make worse comments and are never called out.
Racism is wrong and immoral in any form it may come in....but, I get tired as an Anglo American how I am discriminated against just because of my race...I'm just calling it how I see it. Racism against blacks was wrong in the 50s, and racism against whites is just as wrong today.
Gator - "What is up for debate is whether being born in a shithole spot should resign you to a life there; that being born in a shithole makes you an inferior human being. That is where I disagree with the President."
Only an idiot would take issue and make a big to do about nothing over something the President NEVER SAID. Gator, can you show us where the President said these people "were inferior" so we can understand this make believe argument you're having with him?
"bb, Trump's comments on shitholes was in reference to legal immigration, not illegal immigration."
OK, then it should be assumed that the people are being vetted and it's been determined that the majority bring no value. I'm not in favor of taking on additional welfare burden. Bye the way, Trump denies using the term shit hole. So how much of this is being assumed and how much was actually said? It's being reported on the talk shows on the radio that there was never any mention of African Countries.
The only difference between the entity who calls herself atheist or Ryan from atheist and the entity known as bigeasyliberal is that bigeasyliberal is in the closet about just how leftist and liberal bigeasyliberal is. Liberalism is built on nothing but lies so to have bigeasyliberal try to spread more of them is of no surprise. We watched the America hating race pimp Braaack OBOZO do it for more than 8 years now, they're just emulating that stinking dolt. President Trump has been nothing but great for this country in his first year, every American should be praying for 7 more just like them. Thank you President Trump!
Better go back to the Rushkies or Steve Bannon atheist, Ryan from atheist, and bigeasyliberal. You've got nothing to work with there, but more than here!
No one else in the meeting has come out and directly refuted the comments he made (he’s the only one). Everyone has said that rhetoric was heated. A fellow Republican senator (Tim Scott) has now come out and said that Senator Graham confirmed what the President said. Seriously...Is it really a surprise to anyone that the President would say that behind what he thinks is closed doors?
And what was reported to have said was why should we allow in so many people from shithole countries in Africa and not more people from countries like Norway. You tell me how that doesn’t paint the people from those countries in Africa as inferior, South Farm?
those countries ARE inferior to the US, there isnt another country in the world that compares to this great country... .... Somalia, Haiti, Mexico, etc. all those are crap holes ... we owe those places not one damn thing... they have to earn the right to live here, not because some damn relative happened to sneak in or over stay a visa .. let them show their worth, learn to live by our laws, morals, ethics, become a productive citizen (legally) and not some scum sucking up welfare ... MAGA !!
There are 80,000 Somalians in Minnesota alone. That's just Somalians. That's just Minnesota. They come from a shithole country owned by America hating power swine. Why are they here and why should we bring more in? Like the phrase of the question better? It says the same thing. If you come over here without a means to support yourself and immediately become a drain on our welfare system from health care to education to prisons to free food how are millions nationwide and proposed millions more going to help this country? Did those that came here right before and just after the turn of the 20th century get that deal, or did they have to support themselves? Sure, there are exceptions. I'm talking about the masses. If we keep allowing the invasion of our country legally OR illegally we WILL become a shithole nation. And we then won't be able to help anyone because we won't be able to help ourselves. THAT is socialism folks. THAT is statism. Now tell us bigeasyliberal, were you more offended by LBJ or Wilson or FDR when they commonly referred to citizens of color as niggers or more offended by what President Trump said? Oh, the "too far back" excuse. Well then, more offended by President Trump or the America hating race pimp OBOZO when OBOZO fanned the flames of racism at every opportunity when a person of color had an altercation with a white police officer while ignoring black on black violent crime around the nation? Tell us, bigeasyliberal.
one thing this has done, is blow the Dems and the Rinos plan of sneaking this crap thru.. it also proves that Flake, Durbin, Graham are assholes, it blew up in their faces...Trump is one smart cookie, the jaws of those three stooges dropped when they walked in and saw the Conservatives already in the room waiting for "their plan" ...
I guess bigeasyliberal isn't going to tell us. Present a bed wetting liberal with reality and they scurry away every time. Blind dumb sheep are easily led, and when they are following they're trying to indoctrinate others with lies as well. ignorance loves company. Right Paul Zeidan? Works especially well with children in the class room. Thankfully, some day a good percentage of them will wise up and see the likes of Pauly Z and liberalism in general as the food for fools that he/it is.
"You say to try to get by with multi-culturalism anywhere else in the world and it wouldn't be tolerated, but I've been around the world and can tell you English is everywhere -- so it clearly is tolerated."
English IS everywhere. Curious though.... is it because of an influx of non native language speaking immigrants that refuse to learn the language or perhaps they recognize that English is the business language of the world. Are those countries publishing government documents in 80+ languages?
America's great because it is a huge melting pot. Those that immigrated in the late 19th and early 20th centuries assimilated. They insisted their kids learn English. Sure they kept their cultural identity. They just didn't demand that the government recognize and celebrate it. They came here to make a better life and become AMERICANS. Not turn this country into whatever country they left.
Why would Somalians want to leave a war ravaged country with no economic prospects for America? Perhaps for a better life and future for them and their families — ie, the same reasons most people emigrate from their homes for literally thousands of years. Why should we bring in more? Because that’s the American way, and has been for hundreds of years. Unlike the president, I don’t believe that coming from a poor country means you should be shut off from the American Dream.
Again, there are countless studies that show how immigration provides a benefit from an economic perspective. This notion of them being a drain is a complete fabrication on your part.
As far as LBJ, Nixon, etc, I was born in 1979, so I wasn’t around to be offended by them. If they said racist, intolerant things then they should have been called out on it. However, they’re a racial sunk cost as far as I’m concerned and what they said really has no bearing on how I view Trump’s comments or the current state of affairs.
Never once have I touted Obama’s record on race relations. He certainly stoked the fans of the fire that’s burning race relations. Trump is pouring gasoline on them.
Hell, Democrats have called our own people crapheads, so to speak... we know there are cities and places within that are pure hellholes .... Durbin even said said "Chain migration is "racist" ... this is the idiocy that Trump is up against ... merit based immigration can help bring these people away from these crapholes.... Heck, these liberal wimps bitch when the smoothie they ordered at the gym isnt perfect and they call the place a sh*thole..... who cares about the language, it is the great work that Trump has done .....get over it ..
Ahhhh, racists hate Trump because he is white. Other than that President Trump's race record is incomplete being so short of time, but is on the way to be far better than OBOZO's in reality. Leftists and racists don't like to deal with reality though.
Oh, so because Somalians and others want to come here for a better life why don't we invite the world? Who are we to say NO to anybody? Now take the free ride away and let's see who will come here, and stay here. I have never had a free ride, have you? Guess what, neither did the immigrants at the turn of the 20th century. They were vetted, they were sent back if found unhealthy or unfit, and when accepted were sent to slave in our factories at the rise of the industrial revolution. Another liberal LIE, we have NOT been "doing this" in terms of immigration for hundreds of years We can not keep accepting millions of people into this country on the free ride. Immigrants need to be vetted properly, they need to be able to support themselves, they must accept our laws and customs, and they must adopt our language. Merit based immigration we can all be in favor of. We can not house and feed the millions who want to come here for free housing, food, education, health care. Not possible.
I couldn't care less if some Somalian wants to come here "for a better life". Wish them well. Live long and prosper. Where they are. Taking in the world's poor, unskilled and uneducated is not the "American way" or any other country's "way". Unless they are looking to use them as low wage "slave" labor.
Comparing early immigration and it's goals with current (legal and illegal) immigration is apples and oranges at best. The purpose earlier was to settle and build a country, not any bleeding heart "we must help them" reasons. Take a look around..... in case you haven't noticed the country is built and settled. There is really no valid reason nor any logical planning that requires an influx of immigration. It is of NO benefit for the country. None. Unless they have a skill that fills a need here, they are a drain to society.
OK..... there is one "benefit" for some..... democrats/socialists, no matter the cost, want them here to vote......
- I don’t like Trump for a lot of reasons. Being white certainly isn’t one of them. - we do invite the world AND we say no to people. - there are far more rules and stricter systems that control who and how many people are let into this country than there were 100 years ago. - Yes, people have been immigrating to the US for hundreds of years from literally every corner of the globe - immigrants are not coming here for the purpose of solely exploiting our welfare system. - Immigrants pay taxes, too. - Yes, immigrants must accept our laws. There are no laws in this country that require certain customs to be followed or require that certain languages need to be spoken. I bet my customs are a lot different than yours, Trax. So whose customs are they to follow...mine or yours? - Even conservative estimates, we pay immigrants something on the order of $10 bln a year in welfare payments to immigrant families, much of that going to children who are US citizens. Regardless, this is about .2% of the federal budget. We can afford it. And it’s a cost I’m happy to pay considering the net positives immigration has on the economy related to cheap labor, productive capacity, mobility, specialization, etc.
BEG, Brush up on European history and culture. The majors in Europe had indoor plumbing when the entire world was sitting on a stump and scratching leaves. Futile for your attempt to school me. I believe I am above your pay grade in that regard.
The media has turned racist into the same thing rapist is!A word that condemns anyone regardless of guilt or innocence!The word is a political weapon of mass destruction ant the liberals are deploying all they have which is nothing but name calling.They have tapped every low life tactic thus far the racist cards are by far their most effective smokescreen but it’s probably the last effective tactic they have left.Their playbook is on page 99 of a 99 page book.Maybe Trump has a COLD
There are plenty of rich people that live in shitholes, Rock. Just because the ruling class in your country has it good it doesn’t mean the rest of the country is well off. People that are well off tend not to emigrate.
While Trump is at times the bull in the china shop, he is correct... this country is way far to nice... why the hell would we allow the worlds poor, unskilled, masses into our country (dont give me the statue of Liberty stuff either)...we dont have enough jobs for our middle class, we dont have enough money for the American poor, this country is always borrowing money for some stupid welfare program or starting one and forcing the public to fork out for it. We have no obligation to allow mediocre or below people in to use up our resources and money.... Trump is correct with putting America and our people first ..
I’ll say it Haiti is a shit hole!!But not referring to the people.Calling it a shit hole because of the conditions the country keeps its people in.So actually calling it a shit hole is a shot across the bow for the rulers of these oppressed nations.By the way there are white nations that are shit holes too.
BEG you can find any damn thing you want. I call a shithole a shithole. If the people that live in those shitholes don't like that then they can either CHANGE that (after all, it's their shithole), or they can live with it. If you think that's calling them undesirable then have at it. I just call it reality.
it isnt so much the "poor" people, it is the country itself, the government of those people... why the hell should we bring anyone here who will be more of a burden to us..... going back to what Trump was suppose to have said, yes, Haiti is a sh*thole, as is Somalia and a host of other countries... if a person can not benefit this country with their skills, dont bring them here just to suck up our resources ....
Seems a lot of videos are appearing on Fox and Twitter where most of the democrats doing all the complaining have said the same thing in the past. That includes Obama. Graham, the turncoat Republican, called Mexico a hell hole and I saw him say it on a nice clear video. Stay tuned next week, a whole bunch of doo doo is going to hit the fan. Obama, Clinton, the FBI and Justice Department are all going to be in big trouble.
I don’t know if it’s racism, bb. But it’s surely prejudice. Working for a major oil company, I have interactions on a near daily basis with folks from these “shithole” countries. I’ll be honest...when I started work I expected folks from countries like Nigeria and Gabon to be less capable than the individuals from the US and Europe. I couldn’t have been more wrong. They are some of the finest and most capable individuals you will ever meet. They don’t suck. Just like the story on the Haitian immigrant I’ve linked to - these are exactly the kind of people I want on my team. I’ve learned that being from a third world country doesn’t make a person a third rate individual - and, in fact, it’s usually quite the opposite.
Then why do they live in shitholes? Oh wait, I know, it's THE WHITE MAN'S FAULT! White privilege and all. If it weren't for white people they'd be living in paradise. Maybe we should just kill ourselves so the rest of the world can get out of their shithole.
Actually, third world is not "the educated way" to refer to poor countries. The term "third world" was coined during the Cold War to refer to non-aligned countries. These countries were essentially neutral and not aligned with the US, Britain and their allies (the first world), or the USSR, China, and their allies (the second world).
Many third world countries happened to be poor, so over time the association with "third world" and poverty became commonplace.
Obviously, it's rather outdated now since the Cold War is over and some of the original non-aligned countries, like Saudi Arabia, are actually quite wealthy.
Furthermore, the term "third world" is now seen as perjorative by many. While no universally accepted term exists many people, both western academics and people in those nations considered third world, prefer terms like "majority world" or "developing nations."
Like everything else in a hyper politically correct culture the acceptable terms keep changing as the goal posts get moved. Today's progressive, enlightened phrase is tomorrow's bigotry.
Then you take the folks that can contribute and you let the rest stay behind, BEG. I believe that was the intent of the conversation, regardless of how it's reported. If that's prejudice than so be it.
Until we have control of our illegal immigration, almost all immigration should be stopped. We don't even know how many people are coming here. We don't need more people, America is already crowded. Yes, it makes sense to allow some merit based immigration and we can accommodate some refugee immigration, but arguing over whether the master bath or the guest bath has better water pressure is silly when the river is coming through the front door.
He can make that point without calling countries shitholes and without insinuating that being born in a poor or developing country makes you less of a person. Why should we be inviting more Norwegians in (folks who, btw, live in one of the most progressive countries in the world with possibly the largest welfare program in existence) instead of someone toiling to survive in a struggling country? I’ve met rich, trust fund babies who are pretty much worthless as people and I’ve met plenty of folks born into poverty who are way smarter than me and who also happen to work their asses off - being a quality human being has little to nothing to do with the country or wealth you were born into. Trump seems to think differently.
You could not possibly be filled with more liberal lying crap bigeasyliberal. What a crybaby snowflake you are. You're sounding more like the stinking leftist atheist with every attempt. Maybe there's something to that. You liberal boneheads so desperately try to pin anything on President Trump, and it's laughable. You should put it all together, the Rushkies told Steve Bannon to tell Trump to point out there are shithole countries and we shouldn't let those people in! How's that one? You really do not realize how jaded, how OBVIOUS, and how dumb you sound.
Bottom line is clear. We need heavily vetted and restricted immigration that is merit based. NOT 80,000 Somalians invading Minnesota. How's that verbiage, bigeasyliberal?
He could make that point but you know how it goes in a heated battle behind closed doors. Often the language reverts to less than polished, not intended for the general publics ears. I have no doubt similar happened behind closed doors with Obama, Clinton, Bush, take your pick right down the line. LBJ was notorious, so was Nixon The difference being people kept it behind closed doors. Nobody should be so shocked by any of this. The tolerance threshold for Trump is non existent. I think deep down, you know what the intent was.
This is only an important issue to those who want to find fault with everything Trump does. Otherwise, it's locker room talk. BB has it right. We know what his intent was, it's just that some don't care, as they're hell bent to get rid of Trump by any means, ethical, substantive, or absent any of those, for the trivial
"I’ll be honest...when I started work I expected folks from countries like Nigeria and Gabon to be less capable than the individuals from the US and Europe. I couldn’t have been more wrong. They are some of the finest and most capable individuals you will ever meet. They don’t suck. Just like the story on the Haitian immigrant I’ve linked to - these are exactly the kind of people I want on my team. "
Are they the ones applying for visas or emigrating here?
I do think I know what the motivation was, bb. It stems from the same kind of backward ass, uninformed, prejudiced worldview that Trax shows every time he opens his mouth on these threads.
Frankly, I’m not surprised one bit Trump allegedly said these things. He’s already proven that he’s basically bullet proof when it comes to controversy like this. It’s a shame the man can’t just leave a good week alone, but it’s certainly no surprise.
I believe Trump could have opted for a word or phrase with the edges rounded off, but, consistent in his unique style and well within his wheelhouse like, "piss poor". The furor would have netted the same results from the left, or those futility disguising themselves as such on the CF as evidenced by their shock, anger and immediately disparaging the POTUS to defend other nations in public. The truth be told, he is correct for all intents and purposes generally speaking.
BTW...BEG, you may do well to read that short, but tried and trued quote, something along the lines of " the blind squirrel". I believe that would croquet your beliefs quite nicely considering your "find".
Unfortunately, this map does not show the streets of San Francisco, LA and other fecal depository cities in CA, where the homeless use the pavement. And CA needs to import more from the countries that will add to their night soils. LOL
Tell us, oh great bigeasyliberal. What am I prejudiced of or who? It is you that is prejudiced of common sense, reality, and fact. You are prejudiced against what is best for the United States of America and its citizens. We desperately need advanced border security, extreme vetting and restrictive immigration, and merit based legal immigration. Legal immigration. That means we create an environment where illegals will deport themselves which is very simple to do. Now when you present those just realities, THAT is when a blind dumb sheep liberal will play the race card because it's all they have. Love it!
I am glad it offends and makes the people who live in Shit-Holes angry, if you don't like our president or the way he talks, stay the *&&())(&(_ out. We also do not want you bringing in your resistance to antibiotic ridden bodies into our country. It is not our fault your counties allow you to buy antibiotics over the counter and take them for any and everything that bothers you.
Hmmm, I don’t know Trax. You call me a “blind dumb liberal” in every post, you address me every time by the perceived slight of “bigeasyliberal,” you said we don’t need “80,000 Somalians” when you have essentially no clue how any of them would shake out on a merit based system. So yeah, it’s clear you’re pretty damn prejudiced. You want to continue the conversation you can speak to me like an adult. If you’re going to continue to hurl out insults, then I’m done addressing you.
HA/KS, I never said it was how you think and it has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal. It clearly seems to be how our president thinks, though. Protectionism, nationalism, and isolation is the flavor of the day - I will agree that this flies in the face of the conservative thoughts I grew up with where the free market, free trade, and personal freedom were the pillars upon which conservatism stood. It’s why I’ve left the Republican Party for the Libertarian Party.
Good post TGbow. The reason why the Dems don't want that, is for Political Gain (Votes). You can watch the news, and there isn't one thing that the dems want from Trump, that pertains to an American. If all Immigrants, could never, ever vote, then you wouldn't hear a peep from a democrat. JMO
For those who have maintained that San Francisco is full of . . . whatever, there is now living proof. How much poop is there on the streets of the City by the Bay?
Would you believe there is an online map to track human feces on the city’s streets? There is.
According to Fox News, one area of the city reported a 140% rise in feces. As Jay Caruso of RedState noted, “Public urination is so widespread it has damaged subway elevators and escalators, building walls and power poles.”
(Ah...but the taxpaying citizens will cover the cost of repairing the damages. jack)
When did the gleaming jewel that was San Francisco become a repository for poop? Mayor Willie Brown terminated ordinances; city district Attorney Terence Hallinan would not prosecute “victimless” crimes involving drugs and prostitution.
A report from the Office of the Controller stated, “service requests related to human waste increased across all Supervisorial Districts in San Francisco in FY 2015-16, and at a rate well above the average growth in overall SF311 use. District 6 (in Zone B) had far more service requests related to human waste than any other district – three-times as many as the next highest count in District 9 (Zone D) – and nearly 30 percent more requests compared to FY 2014-15. This change appears to be driven mostly by additional reports along Market Street, south of
Additionally, data from Public Works showed an increase of 13.5% in service orders generated from public service requests,
One of the things that would make sense when vetting potential immigrants is their access to education. I would have to believe that most Europeans, have a far greater access to education than the majority of people living in Nicaragua, Haiti, Somalia. No doubt there are exceptions. I think all you have to do is poll kids applying for Colleges. How many have Universities in Haiti on their list?
Referring to a place as a shithole is fine. Paducah Kentucky is a shithole. Laughlin Nevada is a shithole. Very few people including the folks that live there would argue the point.
Trump's problem is that he had to bring Norway into the discussion fro clarities sake. Using the word "shithole" to describe a place isn't racist in and of itself. Trumps usage and the juxtaposition of Norway as a example of a place that isn't a shithole is the problem. It's pretty easy to understand.
Not being PC and being a racist are two different things.
Bigeasyliberal, you claim to be Libertarian. That sound nice, and you certainly may be. A very liberal Libertarian, or maybe you prefer "progressive" Libertarian. A liberal is a liberal. You may be an informed liberal, I believe you actually are, but at times you are clearly just following the liberal lead. I will admit, you do not fit the classic definition of a blind dumb sheep liberal. A liberal no doubt though. I have first hand knowledge of the Somalians in Minnesota and western Wisconsin. As in any group there are some good ones. They are the vast minority. As a whole they have been a blight on the areas they have settled and that is putting it mildly.
I prefer “Libertarian - with exceptions.” I tend to depart from the Libertarian platform as it pertains to safety nets (I’m ok with some), Federal land (all for it), and science research (federal spending has lead to some of the greatest technological achievements of this century, like putting a man on the moon, splitting the atom, and the Internet). Other than that, I’m all Libertarian. “Open” (as long as you aren’t a terrorist or here to impart harm) immigration is squarely in the camp of free market and free trade idealogy.
Open borders is a radical ideal of leftism. Not practiced in the socialist countries that the blind dumb sheep liberals love so much of course, but what LIBERALISM so desperately wants to bring here. I have a couple friends who are Libertarians but conservative. They value the right to life and liberty of the unborn baby and see secure borders as not only a neccesity but guaranteed by our Constitution by powers granted to the federal government. You want to call yourself Libertarian, sounds better than liberal. You are clearly way out in left field in any event. You most certainly are a complete contrast to the values Rand Paul and his father carry as Libertarian. You are atheist.
open immigration my ass !! .... that would be the end of this country ... it is obvious you like all LIBERALS/Progs. dont understand, illegal is illegal and our doors are not open to ALL ... if someone wants to come here to live, get in line, go thru the procedures, have something they can do to benefit this country and not suck up our resources and dont cut the line ...
Sounds like a few of you need to brush up on the Libertarian Platform. I’ve provided a link for you.
Libertarians believe that if someone is peaceful, they should be welcome to immigrate to the United States.
Libertarians believe that people should be able to travel freely as long as they are peaceful. We welcome immigrants who come seeking a better life. The vast majority of immigrants are very peaceful and highly productive.
Indeed, the United States is a country of immigrants, of all backgrounds and walks of life…some families have just been here for more generations than others. Newcomers bring great vitality to our society.
A truly free market requires the free movement of people, not just products and ideas.
Whether they are from India or Mexico, whether they have advanced degrees or very little education, immigrants have one great thing in common: they bravely left their familiar surroundings in search of a better life. Many are fleeing extreme poverty and violence and are searching for a free and safe place to try to build their lives. We respect and admire their courage and are proud that they see the United States as a place of freedom, stability, and prosperity.
Oh, so what you're saying bigeasyliberal is your version of the Libertarian crusade is that the Party welcomes criminals. That would be anyone here illegally. The Libertarian Party you subscribe to wants anyone to move here whether or not they can support themselves,right? Funny, Libertarians like Rand Paul and his father don't believe that for a minute. I guess they don't subscribe to the version you've adopted for yourself. They also believe the unborn person has a right to liberty too, without being murdered at will.
Lol...my version of the Libertarian crusade?? That is a link to the official Libertarian Party Platform which is also my registered political party. Rand Paul is a Republican, not a Libertarian.
And no, the Libertarian Party does not welcome criminals. It’s states that quite clearly on the platform plank “Of course, if someone has a record of violence, credible plans for violence, or acts violently, then Libertarians support blocking their entry, deporting, and/or prosecuting and imprisoning them, depending on the offense.”
Rand Paul and his father are both Republicans, they would not have been elected to Congress had they run as Libertarians. But they are Libertarians. His father a Libertarian with a conservative flare and Rand a conservative with a Libertarian flare.
Where in the world are there open borders? There's a reason for that. The Libertarians I know laugh at that idea, you can not have liberty as guaranteed by the Constitution by destroying liberty with "open borders." Bigeasyliberal, you more so earn your name with every attempt.
Ok Trax. Sorry you don’t understand there is an actual Libertarian Party with a platform that is far more libertarian than the Republican Party.
Libertarians aren’t against vetting people, but if you aren’t a criminal and there’s no reason to believe you are coming in with criminal intent, there’s no reason to keep you out. That’s what a true Libertarian believes, regardless of what a guy you know tells you.
I consider myself a Libertarian but common sense tells me we need to screen people before we let them in our country...the right to the pursuit of happiness and liberty, safety ..that's important to me so I dont think anyone from any country should be allowed in that maybe a potential threat to US citizens. US citizens may suffer loss of those rights I listed by an individual that could harm them...bebit foreign or domestic.
As long as by threat you mean a criminal threat, I totally agree. So does the Libertarian Party. If you believe immigrants are a threat because they’ll take American jobs, that’s where the Libertarian Party parts ways.
Ahhh, Rand Paul and dad have run as Republicans in order to get elected. They are Libertarians. Many Catholics do not believe or follow every aspect of what the church tells them. They are Catholic though. You bigeasyliberal are a liberal. Whether you call yourself democrat or republican or libertarian is not significant.
I'm all for immigration. With restrictions and proper vetting. With the understanding that they must support themselves from day 1. With agreement that they will accept and tolerate our culture, speak our language, follow our laws, and honor our Constitution. With no chain gang following. Of course, this is not what America hating liberals want. It is what our founders intended.
That’s exactly what the Libertarian Party believes in, TGbow. People should be vetted.
Trax, 90% of those things you just listed are basically saying how you are against immigration and against personal freedom. You also clearly don’t understand what the Libertarian Party is about. You understand that the Libertarian Party is all about freedom, right? That decisions and priorities should be established by individuals and the free market. That means you have the freedom to marry who you want, to buy guns, to smoke pot, to decide what you want to do with your body; that the government should have no say in these things and that the government should keep their hands out of business too. Rand Paul deviates significantly from the Libertarian Party on a number of fronts. Rand Paul believes the government should be able to regulate a whole host of things that Libertarians don’t, which, again, is the essence of Libertarian idealogy.
I dont agree with everything the Libertarian Party stands for but it's the only party , as a whole, that stands for real freedom. There are those in the Republican Party that lean to the Libertarian side.
I dont go along with nobody based just on their political party.
You are for just one ignoring the fact that the liberals who call themselves Libertarian do not protect the liberty of all living people, yet there are many Libertarians who do. There is a growing movement based on today's medical technology that now acknowledge the unborn baby is indeed alive and thus indeed has the same protections you or I do. Nobody has the right to kill another human, but the LIBERALS don't see it that way. You on many fronts are simply a liberal, hiding behind a cloak.
Your 90% attempt is pure ignorance on your part. Now you are telling us that in your open border joke we should support them, we should bow to their language by funding it, that they do not have to tolerate our culture but we must accept theirs. Your attempted arguments are so blind and dumb the Libertarians won't claim you! You sound dumber and more ignorant with every post! And more liberal. Your alter ego atheist is right there wth ya, bigeasyliberal.
Trax, I believe if anyone should be pro life it should be Libertarians. The unborn child is an individual by sceintific defenition, the child has it's own DNA. So not only because of my personal beliefs am I prolife but from a legal standpoint the child should be protected. It's not even an argument any longer whether the child is a life or not a life. There are some Libertarians that give a strong argument for the pro life stance and it's not just because of religious beliefs.
The right to life..freedom and the pursuit of happiness sound like a real Libertarian stance to me.
"70lbdraw, I think the welfare state doesn’t need to expand and that at some point people need to help themselves."
I think I understated my point. I'm talking about our veterans first and foremost. Then let's get the other TRULY down and out "Americans" off of the streets and into some type of facility, education, etc. I don't give a rat's hairy azz about the people that milk the welfare system. Especially when my taxes are funding their B.S.
I see bigeasyliberal scurried away with no intention of answering to his own ignorance and lies. Typical liberal tactic. He does not speak for Libertarianism, he speaks for stinking liberalism. Liberalism and its master socialism the greatest evil on the planet.
We citizens of the the United States of America have great days ahead of us, and you can bet far better border security and immigration control will be a big part of that. Long overdue. Thank you President Trump!
Trax, you didn’t ask any questions so I don’t know what precisely I’m supposed to answer to. That said, I should have just heeded my own advice and ignored anything you post. You can’t get a post in without an insult and you clearly have no desire to educate yourself on the Libertarian Party, so I’m gonna stop bothering. I’m tired of your ignorance causing me to sound like a broken record. So unless you actually want to discuss my differences with the Libertarian Party, which I have enumerated earlier, there’s really no point continuing any of this conversation. This discussion is moving away from the point of this thread, so if you want to have an adult conversation on what the Libertarian Party believes, you can start a new thread.
BEG, "Indeed, the United States is a country of immigrants, of all backgrounds and walks of life…some families have just been here for more generations than others. Newcomers bring great vitality to our society."
"A truly free market requires the free movement of people, not just products and ideas."
"Whether they are from India or Mexico, whether they have advanced degrees or very little education, immigrants have one great thing in common: they bravely left their familiar surroundings in search of a better life. Many are fleeing extreme poverty and violence and are searching for a free and safe place to try to build their lives. We respect and admire their courage and are proud that they see the United States as a place of freedom, stability, and prosperity."
All valid points. Where I differ is the idea that we as a country have to get a better gip on who is coming into the country number one. secondly We have too many people on the dole right now, we don't need more. So until that can be figured out, immigrants should be able to prove their worth to the country. It should be incumbent upon the person petitioning for entry to show value. They HAVE to be able to show value to the country. The US as a country should not be assuming any risk regarding immigrants. Insurance companies used to "red line" certain areas with in states or cities that posed a significant risk. That practice was outlawed, so the companies found another way to identify risk areas in a more discreet manner. There are certain countries and areas of the world that pose a much more substantial risk than others. and like the insurance companies red line, you can draw a red line around them and feel confident that getting quality contributors from those areas is the exception, not the rule. The days of having a virtually unrestricted open door, just because you want IN, should be over.
Skills, training, anything that will make them employable and add to the economy rather than becoming a drain on the economy. No doubt many of the people can be trained but not on our dime. (Risk we shouldn't assume) Needless to say they have to prove they are not a safety risk either
try farming if your not trained to use a tractor, GPS, computer and implements, knowing what mixtures to use, rates to spray, how much seed to lay, you have crop and soil sensors, cattle biometrics, and you nearly have to be a rocket scientist to know what tires to use on tractors today and at what balance etc, ... Construction isnt all just hammering a nail in or laying sheet rock, look at all the schools for the trades in construction .. hell, there are schools for the hotel industry ....and if all some will be used for is picking and de-tasseling corn...bring 'em in, let them do what they are paid for then get them the hell out....
There needs to be tangible proof that they are going to contribute to the economy. Low/no skilled minimum wage labor is not that proof. There are career welfare recipients that can fill those positions nicely. Until the government focuses on putting those people to work and weaning them off the system. Bringing more immigrants in to fill these positions is indirectly perpetuating a drain on the economy. We don't need more unskilled labor. We'll never get the welfare people to change careers.
I was getting coffee yesterday at the local place and I got talking to a guy while pouring coffee, he told me he is a landlord and has multiple rental units. one of his tenants is a section 8 recipient, she gets all kinds of benefits, food stamps, cel phone and pay. There is no incentive for her to get a job. Until that can be figured out and corrected. I see no reason to perpetuate it by bringing in more people to take the jobs that our welfare people should be doing. Unless of course we can make trades. we'll take one of yours and give you two of ours.
The unfortunate reality of section 8 housing, and other government benefits such as disability, is that once someone is on it, they will likely never leave. People in section 8 housing make certain they don't make enough to have to pay real rent prices. People on disability don't want to work enough to get a smaller check. (I have had people testify to that in court, which didn't set well with a judge working 60-80 hours per week.) Since we're borrowing money to run the government, we have no business borrowing money to subsidize someone's lifestyle that we just permitted to enter the country.
Anyone that is going to drive down labor costs will add value to the economy, whether you’re an engineer or a janitor. Americans have shown an unwillingness to do lots of things, particularly if it requires mobility. There was LOADS of work in New Orleans after Katrina - however the city was largely rebuilt by immigrants. That was the only labor you could find. So I don’t subscribe to the notion that low skilled/low wage immigrants don’t add value. If you believe in a free market then you know they do. My own firsthand experience shows me that they do.
As far as the Section 8 housing conversation goes, you do recognize that your landlord friend is the one actually getting wealthy of Section 8, right? His tenant is merely a pass through agent and he’s the one getting the government money.
"Americans have shown an unwillingness to do lots of things, particularly if it requires mobility. There was LOADS of work in New Orleans after Katrina - however the city was largely rebuilt by immigrants."
I understand, I'm not arguing that. In fact I'm in agreement. Much of the unwillingness is because the government programs enable the unwillingness. Start cutting the programs out and give the welfare recipients a choice, here is work, go do it or do without welfare. make them pay for their welfare like it was originally intended, before you bring in immigrants to do the work..
Regarding your section 8 comment, regardless of whether the section 8 person is physically handed the money or the landlord is, the net result is a reduction in her cost of living expense. I have never met the landlord prior to this conversation but I got the sense from him that he wasn't overly enthused about the whole program.
I don’t necessarily disagree with that, bb. I do feel certain safety nets are in order, but they need to be properly incentivized. That said, I don’t necessarily see significant welfare reform occurring anytime soon. So with that said, from an economic perspective, I don’t have a desire to layer in suboptimal immigration policy on top of suboptimal welfare policy.
I can easily see the landlord being unhappy. The fact remains that he likely benefits just as much from the policy as does the actual recipient. Lots of people fail to make the economic connection and fail to recognize in what ways individuals actually benefit from these policies. Sure one person has their cost of living subsidized. The other is actually building wealth as a result of the policy.
Sure he benefits by the policy to a point. but he would benefit if he had a tenant in there who was not on section 8. He is providing a service that he will ultimately be paid for with or without the section 8 subsidy. Unfortunately, many of the people have made a career out of the system and have it figured out so well you will never get them off of it. unless they are forced off.
"The unfortunate reality of section 8 housing, and other government benefits such as disability, is that once someone is on it, they will likely never leave. People in section 8 housing make certain they don't make enough to have to pay real rent prices. "
Simple solution is that any of these benefits gradually decrease until it does pay to get a job. By gradually, I mean over months, not years.
Bigeasyliberal does what all liberals do, ignore and run from the facts when they've once again been proven wrong or caught in another lie.
You know exactly what the questions were, having to do with your 90% lie. As far as "educating" us about the Libertarian Party there has been a poster right here who doesn't subscribe to your liberal agenda and is a Libertarian. You can call yourself a Libertarian bigeasyliberal, and you can call yourself a collie. You are clearly a liberal.
As far as value how about starting with one of my "90%" bigeasyliberal? They must be able to support themselves from Day 1. Let's start there bigeasyliberal.
If the Federal government would just get out of the way and quit aying God...deciding who gets to keep more of their money and who dont..maybe the free market will flourish.
May sound hard but other than the military, the gov shouldn't be in the bussines of redistributing wealth. Go to a national sales tax on certain goods with a % cap, make them manage the tax dollars like they should. I dont want my money providing for immigrants or private US citizens unless it's voluntary.
The gov dont need more revenue they need to quit wasting and spending like a friggin teenager on spring break.
RfB and most everyone else that replied to his post, I think you are all missing the point. I could give a rat's ass what POTUS says in a CLOSED DOOR MEETING. The problem I have is that someone from the opposing party, Durbin, ran out of the room and started crying to the first person he saw that, "sniff, sniff....Donald said mean things about another country.....waaaah". WTF, it's a CLOSED DOOR MEETING for a reason. This was nothing but sabotage of the negotiations by the liberal. Trying to undermine the whole thing by bringing race baiting back into it. And Durbin has a history of doing it in the past from what has been reported. The Dems don't want a deal, they want DACA to be separate from the wall, lottery, etc. with no intention of ever giving in to the latter. Just my .02, carry on .
Yeah, grey liberal the ignorant punk can't ever pass up a chance to say, "look at me, look at me!" We're looking grey liberal, and once again laughing! What a self loving tool.
They must be able to support themselves from day 1. Move to another point? They must follow our laws and honor our Constitution. Another? They must tolerate our customs and know we may never accept theirs. More? No more placating to any language other than English. More?
They must follow our laws and constitution? No shit. They must tolerate our customs and know we must never accept theirs? Lol...I missed this bullet in the constitution. And whose “customs” are these? Yours or mine? No more placating to any language other than English? I missed this in the Constitution too. Youre last two points would do nothing but restrict freedom and, to have any kind of teeth, increase regulations. I’ll pass.
We could make English the official language in this country. That doesn't mean we ban the use of any other language, use as you will. But it does mean there will be no money spent to placate any other language opinion in our schools beyond offering electives. There are schools that have to staff for over a dozen other languages. No more press 2 for espanol.
Typical liberal, when losing a point make something up. I never said must never accept theirs. I said may not, big difference bigeasyliberal. Like crapping off the deck or marrying a 10 year old. Oh, some have worse than that.
You missed the very first point though bigeasyliberal. No shit they must follow our laws, huh? How about they must be able to support themselves from day 1. No shit for that one too?
Your ignorance is pervasive N. You assume all conservatives are of great character and all liberals are of awful character? There are and have been staunch conservatives that are or have not been of high character, and vice versa. Beyond that you can be very religious and be liberal, and an athiest and staunchly conservative.
I call people out on their own words and question their belief system. On their ethics? I do admit, I'm like Reggie from 48hrs. He didn't like white people and hated rechecks. Difference is I don't like liberals and hate socialists. Now cry yourself asleep.
oh no, say it wasnt so ... because if it comes from Dem. it prolly isnt
Two GOP senators blast their Democratic colleague for his 'history' of mischaracterizing White House meetings
by Kathryn Blackhurst | Updated 14 Jan 2018 at 6:18 PM
Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.) insisted Sunday that President Donald Trump did not refer to Haiti and some African nations as “s***hole countries” — and they blasted Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) for his “history of misrepresenting what happens in White House meetings.”
Some of those in a bipartisan Thursday meeting on immigration reform with Trump later claimed the president used the vulgar term and said he wanted fewer immigrants from those countries to enter the U.S.
Durbin in particular claimed Friday that Trump “used those words, and he used them repeatedly.” But Cotton and Perdue rejected Durbin’s claim and accused him of “misrepresenting” the president’s words.
"I didn't hear that word, either. I certainly didn't hear what Sen. Durbin has said repeatedly," Cotton said on CBS News' "Face the Nation." "Sen. Durbin has a history of misrepresenting what happens in White House meetings, though, so perhaps we shouldn't be surprised by that."
He continued, "And I know what Dick Durbin has said about the president's repeated statements is incorrect." Cotton noted that Durbin "was corrected" during then-President Barack Obama's tenure in the White House by an administration spokesman after a meeting for misrepresenting what took place.
Perdue blasted Durbin for his "total misrepresentation" of Trump's comments and also pointed to Durbin's past difficulty in relaying what took place during the Obama-era meeting.
"In 2013 — the gross misrepresentation was that language was used in [the meeting] that was not used, and also that the tone of that meeting was not contributory and not constructive," Perdue said Sunday on ABC News' "This Week."
"In 2013, Sen. Durbin also made the same accusation against a Republican leader in a meeting with President Obama, and said that it was — he chewed out the president. It was so disrespectful to President Obama, we couldn't even have the meeting," Perdue said. "That's what he said in 2013. Later that day, the president's own press secretary came out and said, and I quote, 'It did not happen.'"
Perdue told "This Week" host George Stephanopoulos that Trump "did not use that word" in the meeting to refer to Haiti and other countries, despite what Durbin claimed.
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"I'm saying that this is a gross misrepresentation. It's not the first time Sen. Durbin has done it, and it is not productive to solving the problem that we have at hand," Perdue said.
Both Cotton and Perdue initially said in a joint statement released Friday that they did "not recall the president saying these comments specifically."
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who also attended the meeting with Trump, released a vague statement Friday addressing the "comments" the president made during the meeting.
"Following comments by the president, I said my piece directly to him yesterday. The president and all those attending the meeting know what I said and how I feel," Graham said. "I've always believed that America is an idea, not defined by its people but by its ideals."
Trump denied making the comments in a tweet Friday, saying, "Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said 'take them out.' Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings — unfortunately, no trust!"
If Trump's "shithole countries" comment was "not racist", then why are neo-nazi's, white supremacists, and admitted racists all praising what he said? Using it in their propaganda and retweeting it. Common sense and logic says that if a racist approves of your words, chances are what you said was indeed racist.
Atheist, have you thought maybe he was speaking more about the country's state other than from a racist standpoint?
It was a bad thing to say but to me it's not that cut n dry as to what he meant.
It was a bad thing to say either way. There are some things that White Supremacist ..black Panthers, ect would probably agree with me on but that doesn't mean I agree with them.
Atheist, I wonder if you called out Obama about the fact that he attended a church where the Reverend Wright preached racist, anti American rheteric all the time? I dont recall the media doing so.
There are good people in every country on this planet just as there are bad ones. I do think Trump should apologize just for the fact that there are good people that live in those countries and some of their descendants are US citizens.
Okay. Let's let in some folks from s-hole countries, but for every one let in, I throw two out. And I get to pick. Let's start with "atheist" or whatever alias he/she/it/sheit uses, and one other person. This might be the solution.
Back to the original point. The comments were apparently made up by a leftist, propagated gleefully by other leftists, and doubt remains in the mind of even the most ardent trump hater about whether or not he actually said it. Multiple reliable witnesses from the meeting say that trump did not use the words he is accused of using.
The reason why liberals and progressives are throwing around the racist word these days is because liberals and progressives don't like being called names - it hurts their feelings. The pinnacle of hurt feelings is to be branded something and the world hates you for it, in essence, no more coddling and acceptance. So, by them branding you as the racist, it is the ultimate disgrace and punishment you can receive from them.
The self proclaimed racist police can go pound sand...
Another time Dick heard something shocking that others did not...
"The White House Is Refuting A Shocker Of A Claim From A Top Democratic Senator Brett LoGiurato Oct. 23, 2013, 2:55 PM 48,786 Barack Obama AP A claim from the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), drew denials from House Republican leadership and the White House on Wednesday.
Durbin claimed in a weekend Facebook post that a House GOP leader told President Barack Obama that the leader "cannot even stand to look at" him during a recent negotiation over the government shutdown and raising the nation's debt ceiling.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said, flatly, that the exchange "did not happen."
A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner was baffled by Durbin's allegation.
"The Speaker certainly didn't say that, and doesn't recall anyone else doing so," Michael Steel, Boehner's spokesman, said in an email Wednesday morning.
Brendan Buck, also a Boehner spokesman, released a statement after Carney's remarks.
"Senator Durbin's accusation is a serious one, and it appears to have been invented out of thin air," Buck said. "The senator should disclose who told him this account of events, retract his reckless allegation immediately, and apologize."
Durbin didn't provide any specifics on the conversation, or identify the member in question. Obama met with House Republicans, Senate Republicans, House Democrats, and House Republicans separately during the shutdown on multiple occasions.
The full Facebook post from Durbin:
Many Republicans searching for something to say in defense of the disastrous shutdown strategy will say President Obama just doesn't try hard enough to communicate with Republicans. But in a "negotiation" meeting with the president, one GOP House Leader told the president: "I cannot even stand to look at you."
What are the chances of an honest conversation with someone who has just said something so disrespectful?
Durbin's office didn't respond to multiple requests for comment, both before and after the White House denial."
Calling people racist is just a lazy substitute for thinking. You don't have to rationally analyze an argument or position, you just simply declare the other person a racist and his ideas therefore unacceptable. It's just groupthink for beginners.
and NOW Durbin isnt even sure what word Trump used ( if he even did) ....lol .... Durbin, what a dweeb .... https://100percentfedup.com/dick-durbin-suddenly-unsure-heard-trump-whichever-word-used-video/
whats that about **ithole countries ... yep, Jamaica is one of 'em .... http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/01/21/tourists-in-jamaica-warned-to-stay-in-resorts-after-shootings-lead-to-state-emergency.html