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From: JL
16-Jan-18
I like the idea.....

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-california-declares-independence-from-rest-of-state/?ref=yfp

CBS News January 16, 2018, 6:54 AM

New California declares "independence" from rest of state

Last Updated Jan 16, 2018 4:31 PM EST

SACRAMENTO -- With the reading of their own version of a Declaration of Independence, founders of the state of New California took the first steps to what they hope will eventually lead to statehood. CBS Sacramento reports they don't want to leave the United States, just California.

"Well, it's been ungovernable for a long time. High taxes, education, you name it, and we're rated around 48th or 50th from a business climate and standpoint in California," said founder Robert Paul Preston.

The state of New California would incorporate most of the state's rural counties, leaving the urban coastal counties to the current state of California.

"There's something wrong when you have a rural county such as this one, and you go down to Orange County which is mostly urban, and it has the same set of problems, and it happens because of how the state is being governed and taxed," Preston said.

Cal-exit? Meet the movement for California secession

But unlike other separation movements in the past, the state of New California wants to do things by the book, citing Article 4, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution and working with the state legislature to get it done, similar to the way West Virginia was formed.

"Yes. We have to demonstrate that we can govern ourselves before we are allowed to govern," said founder Tom Reed.

And despite obstacles, doubters, and obvious long odds, the group stands united in their statehood dream.

The group is organized with committees and a council of county representatives, but say it will take 10 to 18 months before they are ready to fully engage with the state legislature.

This is not the first effort to split up California. In 2014, Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tim Draper submitted signatures to put a measure that would split California in six separate states.

From: NvaGvUp
16-Jan-18
Nice thought.

Ain't going to happen!

From: Shuteye
16-Jan-18
They said it would take 18 months and are going to try. I saw it with a map. They said West Virginia did it and they can too.

From: Glunt@work
16-Jan-18
Borders change all over the world all the time. It's an uphill battle and low odds of success but possible.

Be some great lion hunting the first couple years.

16-Jan-18
Revolt...Puck Brown and Newsom and all the other lib asses in this state!

From: HDE
17-Jan-18
I say go for it. Sends a shot across their bow anyway that nobody gives a flip what the liberal left of CA thinks or says.

From: HDE
17-Jan-18
This is/was actually posted on national news this morning.

From: NvaGvUp
17-Jan-18
If this were to transpire, they should call the new state, 'Sane California' and rename the old state, 'Looney Tunes California.'

From: Stalker
17-Jan-18
This will be a tough fight. With being a state there would come electoral college votes and if it is conservative state democrats will fight tooth and nail to stop this!

Even if they did, and began to prosper, how long before it turns into "old" California?

From: JL
17-Jan-18
Well....if the New California split does happen....the govt won't need to build as much fence around the old California. A cost saving for the taxpayers!

From: Tiger-Eye
17-Jan-18
They will most likely need to build a fence between Calif. and New Calif. You know ----people leaving Old Calif. to get a better life.

From: South Farm
17-Jan-18
They told us way back in the 70's it was going to break off and slip into the ocean. By the looks of it that just might happen, mother nature is doing her best!

From: slade
17-Jan-18
I was hoping the state of Jefferson ( southern OR & northern CA) would happen someday.

17-Jan-18
Various groups have been trying to break California up for years. Mostly the rural areas wanting to break away from the populated coast. This would help the Republican party. The coast would continue to elect 2 Democrat Senators, but the new state would be very red and the two new Senators would be Republican. Additionally, with the splitting of the electoral college votes, New California would take votes that currently go blue and they'd go red because they're currently lumped in with the overwhelming amount of CA blue votes. It'd actually be a huge electoral swing. Even though it's less populated, New California would still have a lot more people than many of the other 50 states. It wouldn't affect the House.

I'm all for it. The taxes here are ridiculous and this new gas tax is just insane. My current home in CA would be in New California.

From: South Farm
17-Jan-18
Only problem is once the libtards looked across the border and witnessed how good you all had it in "New California", they'd want to move there...and they'd bring their agenda with 'em. Better build a wall to keep 'em out.

From: HDE
17-Jan-18
New California is starting to have a nice ring to it.

Now just need to do the same for CO and NM...

From: bad karma
18-Jan-18
You're getting it wrong. There is California and Nukalifornia. You can guess which part needs to be nuked.

From: HDE
18-Jan-18
Name would need some work, but something like that.

18-Jan-18
It's pretty amazing, but if you dropped a high-powered nuke in the LA basin, you'd kill more conservatives than live in the entire state of Wyoming.

From: slade
18-Jan-18
Ike,

Orange county alone...

From: rock50
18-Jan-18
Will the old California folks refer to the new state as Nuevo California?

From: Jim Moore
18-Jan-18
I would be willing to surrender Las Vegas (Clark County) to Kalifornia. Problem would be that there is nothing but democrat politicians there and the fear would be that it would add to the socialist miasma Kali is dealing with now. I like the idea of a New California, though it will never happen.

From: elkmtngear
18-Jan-18
I understand where these guys are coming from, unfortunately, it could never fly. They will never get a Congressional Majority given the areas they have outlined, they are dominated by huge liberal cities (San Franciso, Sacramento, Los Angeles, San Diego).

The "Jefferson Movement" has jumped through several hoops, though, and is now at the Federal Level. Those areas vote overwhelmingly "Red" in State and Federal Elections.

From: muskeg
18-Jan-18
The New Californians have thrown the State of Jefferson under the bus.

From: TGbow
19-Jan-18
I don't blame them at all. Lots of good peoplebin the state but it's a prime example what happens when Socialism digs into the state government.

From: HDE
20-Jan-18
And now the Kalifornia AG is threatening to prosecute businesses who abide by Federal Law.

That numbskull is just begging for civil action against the state, or worse...

From: Woods Walker
20-Jan-18

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YES! I heard about that! If you abide by FEDERAL law in California now you will be prosecuted!!! Seems to me something like this happened about 160 years ago here.....

I wonder what they'd do if a state would do the same about slavery? That AG needs to be prosecuted by the Feds himself.

From: HDE
20-Jan-18
I would tell the AG "bring it on, I dare you..."

From: Woods Walker
20-Jan-18
That one will go to the SCOTUS for sure. Thank GOD for Gorsuch when it does!!!

From: HDE
20-Jan-18
Definatley the gift that keeps on giving.

From: Michael
20-Jan-18
Tool - Enema

20-Jan-18
Pretty wild. I can't imagine the Supreme Court siding with states going against Federal Law.

From: TGbow
20-Jan-18
They should side with the states if the Federal law over steps it's boundaries according to the Constitution...but then again how often does the SC refer to the constitution anymore?

From: HDE
21-Jan-18
"They should side with the states if the Federal law over steps it's boundaries according to the Constitution..."

Absolutely. However, in the case with CA, the state is overstepping it's boundaries and acting in open rebellion. Not for the defense of freedom or rights, but to target a group who upholds the law.

21-Jan-18
Individual states do not have the right to set immigration policy. That's the Federal Govt's job. This isn't a state's rights issue.

From: Yendor
21-Jan-18
We have tried that several times in Oregon and Washinton. We should split both to Westside (want to be California, and Eastside, Conservative NW

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