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Its up to congress to make the law. Let that part happen, before complaining about Trump signing it (or not)

God bless, Steve

"gflight, who admittedly favored Hillary Clinton over DJ Trump during the 2016 general election."

I am in Missouri, Show Me that one^^^^^^

Amnesty is genius for false conservatives dontchaknow.....:^)

From the article posted: Trump's plan would restrict new family-based immigration to spouses and minor children, doing away with provisions allowing parents, adult siblings and others to enter the country. The sources said it would only end new applications for visas, allowing those already in the pipeline to be processed. It would also end the diversity visa lottery program, which drew Trump's attention after the New York City truck attack last year, redirecting the allotment annually to bringing down the existing backlog in visa applications.

A billion dollar wall might get beat by a thousand dollar ladder, which gets beat by a two dollar bullet. To secure the border you start with a wall. Ask the soldiers in Berlin or the West Bank.

This is forcing Schumer's hand, if he doesn't take "the deal", DACA will be on his head. Trump will also get credit for providing the path to Citizenship, not Schumer. Sort of like the freed Slaves, they may actually feel a loyalty to Trump, and those precious votes they would have provided the Dems might never manifest.

It sucks in a lot of ways, but it's probably the only move they can make right now, that would end chain migration, kill "Sanctuary Cities", and eliminate illegals in the long run. Unless you want to bank on a huge Republican Victory in November...but that just delays the whole process by nearly a Year.

I do agree, however, that if you guard the wall using land mines, snipers, and machine guns, than you can really control infiltration to a crawl.

But an unguarded wall will be breached immediately and exploited immediately.

I say again, the wall is a total waste of money.

Berlin had a wall. I was stationed there in the early 80s. It was probably half the height of the proposed U.S. Wall, and there very few escapes from it since it was constructed. There was an East German Guard Tower every 50 Meters, and a higher Russian Guard Tower every hundred Meters, plus regular wall patrols by East German Guards with German Shepherds.

Getting rid of the porous Southern Border will definitely extremely slow the Southern Drug and Human Traffic, and the policy reversals being proposed will be the icing on the cake. This will work, and without the ridiculous manpower now needed to survey and control the region.

No its not 100% perfect. But if you think it is a waste of money, what would cost less and achieve the 100% success rate you are looking for?

Yeah ask Israel how well walls work...they work!

"But an unguarded wall will be breached immediately and exploited immediately."

Have you been down there? We will use technology, sensors, cameras, drones, in the most accessible area's. ABSOLUTELY PHUCKING LAUGHABLE to say it won't work!

We get - A wall and benchmarks showing we have control of the border, end chain migration, start merit based immigration.

Dems get - A path to citizenship for the 1.8 million if they haven't committed other crimes.

Stipulation: The 1.8 million counts towards the amount of immigrants we legally allow in from whatever country the "dreamers" are from. If 1 million are from Mexico, and we allow 500,000 in legally per year from Mexico, then no Mexican immigration for two years.

1. Bank accounts.

2. Ability to wire money

3. Renting anything

4. Driver's licenses (or ANY kind of license for that matter)

5. Vehicle purchase/title/plates

6. Government benefits of ANY kind.

In other words make it so they deport themselves. This is how it SHOULD have been for the past 32 years since the Immigration Act of 1986!

I also will agree with badkarma. I remember the triangulating and co-opting Bill Clinton did in his 2 terms with the GOP congress. And, given the nature of the policy mandates at the time, it worked for the good of America. However, Trump will not have a complicit (or remotely fair) media, so, if he wins a 2nd term on a similar strategy, the outcome will be a real credit to the intelligence of the American voter.

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First of all, I NEVER stated I was looking for anything, certainly not a 100% success rate.

What would cost a lot less is maximum prosecution of those that hire illegals. Cut off the flow of jobs, you cut off the flow of illegals. That has been stated by others on this thread.

A beat up pickup and a load of ammonia nitrate will breach the wall wherever the coyotes want to breach it at. Plus tunneling under the wall.

Any obstacle built by man can be overcome by man.

The Berlin Wall worked because it was guarded by interlocking maching gun towers. America is not going to do that.

The wall is a total waste of money, and it will only slow illegals initially, until they figure out how to breach it.

"and there are some 20,000 agents covering it. That's ten per mile, or around one every 175 yards."

If that number is true, their success rate has not been very good. I don't think an unguarded wall will help them.

OTOH...maybe another checkers vs. chess ploy (link).

Bingo! But they won't, and for exactly the reason you stated.

God bless, Steve

President Trump has boxed in the left beautifully. If you have any worry that President Trump is selling out his base, relax. Notice that Tom Cotton and Sonny Perdue are running point on this negotiation.

1. Notice the timing of this out-of-the-blue offer by President Trump. Caught the left by surprise, while Schumer and company were still licking their wounds. Classic negotiation tactic, save your opponent before they slit their own throat and they will thank you.

2. While 800K is the number of DACA ‘kids’ we have been discussing, 1.8 million is the actual number who are eligible in this classification. By using the higher number, President Trump appears conciliatory and magnanimous, offering the left a way to save face. Brilliant strategy. Don’t beat your opponent so badly they cannot sign the contract.

3. We ALL know the entire 1.8 million will not register, they never do. AND they will not be eligible to vote.

AND they have to come out of the shadow to be completely documented.

AND they have to live an extraordinary CLEAN life, no crime, for 10-12 years, otherwise – deported and IN-eligible.

3. By limiting ‘kids’ only, NOT parents, President Trump has utterly destroyed the left’s narrative that the left is the only one who is compassionate. Trump also forces the left to drop their mask of “the DACA kids came here through no fault of their own”, which means the parents ARE AT FAULT.

In other words, it’s obvious, the left wants the parents as well because they want the votes.

Motives of the left are revealed.

4. Understand, we are close to a point where the DACA ‘kids’ will champion Trump’s proposal (for pure self-interest) and protest the left (who stands in the way). It’s hilarious.

Only President Trump could magically accomplish such a turn-around.

5. By shutting down 6/8 ways for immigration, President Trump cuts total immigration initially to Clinton levels, and eventually to Kennedy levels. We will go from 1 million a year to less than 250K a year.

Thank you President Trump.

This helps all American workers.

6. The left is again boxed in as they have bet everything on support for DACA but the left will not get the deal without border wall funding, which Trump pegged at 25 Billion dollars. We get our wall or there is no deal.

7. By supporting chain migration, the left can now be painted as “PRO-TERRORIST” for political purposes. Remember, almost every poll indicates the public is opposed to chain migration by 65-80%.

Dems are on the wrong side of chain migration.

8. By ending VISA lottery, President Trump, again, is with the VAST majority of voters. Merit based systems make sense. The Dems are standing on quicksand by defending a lottery system.

9. Again, the White House/Trump proposal is brilliant in asking for 25 billion for THE WALL AND for port security, border patrol, etc. In this way, the Dems can save face and claim they are funding port security. Of course, they are funding the wall as well. AND the 25billion trust fund ensures the wall will be built, and funds will not be taken away later.

10. If President Trump can ACTUALLY resolve immigration, something that has eluded politicians for 3 decades, he will be lauded as a great President. He will have accomplished the impossible.

11. President Trump also removes ‘immigration’ as a talking point for the 2018 election and beyond. This is incredible and do not underestimate the effect.

Now that the proposal is out:

Of course, the hard right collapses and over-reacts immediately. Thank you. We needed your outrage to prove or make the appearance that Trump was capitulating. You performed beautifully. This makes Trump appear as he is the rational compromiser, coming to the middle to seek a solution.

Notice how the left has reacted. Pelosi lost her mind. Other Dem leaders (and I use the term loosely), are foaming at the mouth, emotional, irrational, screaming, at the “UNFAIRNESS” of this deal, when Trump appears calm, magnanimous, and quite reasonable.

One of the MOST effective Alinsky tactics is to divide a group and turn them on each other.

President Trump has turned the DACA ‘kids’ on the rest of the illegal immigrants AND the Dem party.

It’s brilliant.

If you are thinking this is the final deal, don’t be ridiculous.

It was a shot across the bow, from President Trump.

If the President, or Tom Cotton/Sonny Perdue does not like something, they only have to walk away and let the clock run out.

And make no mistake, if the clock runs out on DACA, and the ‘kids’ are to be deported, the DEMS will be blamed for not taking this deal.

President Trump has the Democrats by the proverbial ‘short hairs’.