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JTV 09-Feb-18
slade 09-Feb-18
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Ryan from Boone 10-Feb-18
Bowfreak 10-Feb-18
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Grey Ghost 10-Feb-18
bad karma 10-Feb-18
Iktomi 10-Feb-18
bigeasygator 10-Feb-18
Rocky 10-Feb-18
Bowfreak 10-Feb-18
Grey Ghost 10-Feb-18
Michael 10-Feb-18
Bowfreak 10-Feb-18
JTV 10-Feb-18
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Michael 10-Feb-18
Iktomi 10-Feb-18
bigeasygator 10-Feb-18
slade 10-Feb-18
JTV 10-Feb-18
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Atheist 10-Feb-18
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Sixby 10-Feb-18
Atheist 11-Feb-18
Sixby 11-Feb-18
Atheist 11-Feb-18
TD 11-Feb-18
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Pete In Fairbanks 12-Feb-18
JTV 12-Feb-18
Bentstick81 12-Feb-18
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JTV 13-Feb-18
From: JTV
09-Feb-18

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Trump would be damn'd if he did, and damn'd if he didnt... so he didnt, for now.. Due to sensitive materials within the Dem Memo, Trump says revise it, then he'll consider the release .... if he didnt do this the Dems would have ripped him for allowing the sensitive info to come out.. nah, I'd blame the Dems... anyways ... link ^^

From: slade
09-Feb-18

From: Bentstick81
10-Feb-18
I've said all along, that the dems created their memo, so they would have a way to come back on Trump, for which ever decision Trump would make. The dems are about as predictable as atheist. You can't trust a democrat, EVER.

10-Feb-18
That memo was voted on by both parties to be released. If you cant see that trump is hiding something in there, then you are knee deep in dear leaders doo doo. rest assured, it will leak out and the rest of the intelligent world will see the orange blob for what he really is

From: Bowfreak
10-Feb-18
....the POTUS of the US with better poll numbers than his predecessor at the same point in their terms?

From: Bentstick81
10-Feb-18
So atheist. Tell us what Trump is hiding? The russia collusion BS, isn't nothing. O - Justice, there is nothing. So what is it??

From: Grey Ghost
10-Feb-18
The GOP ripped the minority for squawking about "national security risks" over the Nunes memo release. It turned out there was nothing to squawk about. Now, Trump is claiming the minority memo is a national security risk and needs to be re-written. Ironic that.

So, they'll redact the minority memo until it suits Trump and his lawyers, and the American public will remain without the whole truth, as usual.

Matt

From: bad karma
10-Feb-18
And that comment presupposes that the edits are not for reasons of national security, but for political reasons.

If you wish to claim to be impartial, this is not evidence of it.

From: Iktomi
10-Feb-18
I'm not buying "national security". I'm calling Trump a chickenshit hypocrite.

From: bigeasygator
10-Feb-18
So let me get make sure I have my facts right.

The FBI pushed Trump to not release the Nunes memo due to material omissions of fact that impacted the accuracy of the memo. He ignored them.

Now he’s more than willing to listen to the FBI and not release the minority memo when it suits his cause.

Its looking more and more like the FBI had issues with the Nunes memo only telling part of the story and they knew there’d be a strong likelihood the whole story could never be told at this stage because doing so would be a national security risk.

So it begs the question...if the Nunes memo is only going to tell half the story and the other side of the story can never be told, should it have been released? I don’t see how that’s a move for transparency.

From: Rocky
10-Feb-18
Content. Content. Do you know what is in the memo? No. Where does this withholding the truth come in? Is the liberal memo the truth? How would you know? If the FBI wants to redact it let them redact it. There was nothing in the GOP memo that required redacting as the Democrats told us there was time after time. The GOP claims the lib memo names classified names and actions.

The Rock

From: Bowfreak
10-Feb-18
Matt....elections have consequences and when you are the bull you get to set the playing field. It's not right but it is reality. Obama did it for 8 years, like every President before him.

From: Grey Ghost
10-Feb-18
Bowfreak,

If reality is "not right", then shouldn't we at least try to change reality?

Maybe I'm different than some here, but if I wanted to be "totally vindicated" of false allegations against me, I'd want as much information released as possible. Only then will the whole truth be exposed and I will be exonerated. Anything short of that fuels doubt and uncertainty.

Matt

From: Michael
10-Feb-18
In my hunble opinion the Dems memo was a set up. Trump was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. It is yet to be determined which of the two was a lesser evil.

From: Bowfreak
10-Feb-18
Trump will never be totally vindicated. He will always be considered guilty by the left.

From: JTV
10-Feb-18
I love seeing the Dems/libs on here whining about the dem version... the Dems bitched up a storm saying by the release of the Nunes version, it was a threat to national security, and it wasnt redacted... when it came out, it wasnt no where the threat they said it was... now the pos dems hand over their version, and now because of security concerns by the Whitehouse say redo it....like I say in post #1 Trump would have been blamed either way..... this shows exactly way type of turds these dems actually are, and the same for those supporting the dems on here ...

more and more is coming out showing the conspiracy in its full light, there is nothing these dems can do to keep that light from becoming brighter... that is one thing dems cant stand, the light of truth.... I hope it blinds them ..

From: Tonybear61
10-Feb-18
Let the public look at both memos, then review the facts of the case. Prosecute the guilty with REAL evidence, the rest is waste of time and taxpayer money. No more shadow government or agencies that are not accountable to anyone but themselves. They are ALL accountable to us the citizens of the greatest country on Earth. The USA is not for sale.

From: Michael
10-Feb-18
In my hunble opinion the Dems memo was a set up. Trump was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. It is yet to be determined which of the two was a lesser evil.

From: Iktomi
10-Feb-18
Air it all out and let the chips fall where they may. At this point, it's the only reasonable thing to do.

From: bigeasygator
10-Feb-18
I don’t put a lot of stock into what the Dems or the Republicans say on their own, as you can guarantee it’s going to be rife with bias.

In this case I’m much more interested in how the FBI reacts to each memo and what they say. Rather than sign off on a memo that could possibly rebuff many of the charges against them, they didn’t. It says a lot more to me about where they were coming from when they released their statement regarding the Nunes memo and I think their response to the Schiff memo brings them credibility in being, to a large degree, unbiased in the politics of all of this.

From: slade
10-Feb-18

From: JTV
10-Feb-18
Slade the dems on here dont care.. they dont care about facts ... they have the same cover it up mindset of the big wig Dems in DC....

From: slade
10-Feb-18
But if they lie, spin and recalcitrant in a gentlemanly blatherskite manner we need to show them courtesy and respect...... hehehehe

10-Feb-18
Hahahhahaaa! Love watching you dweebs squirm!

Hey, the DOJ, meaning Demon Rosenstien, and the FBI, meaning Demon Wray get to head up the redacting so how is this on Trump?

DOHHH!

From: Atheist
10-Feb-18
Donald Trump ignored the FBI when he released the Nunes memo.

He cited the FBI in not releasing the Democratic memo.

Uh....

10-Feb-18
He was proven correct in ignoring them on the Nunez memo! The entire left was warning of total apocalypse if he released it! It was an apocalypse all right! Of the lying commiEs' cover story! It may well be the end of the line for the establishment's swamp! Sounds like a great time to me!

Throwing the Demon's intended trap back into their court was brilliant! Especially as it makes you all squirm so hard!

From: Bentstick81
10-Feb-18
PRICELESS!!! 8^))))

From: Sixby
10-Feb-18
Trump exposed the entire Republican memo. He knew that there was nothing in it that was Top Secret. He sent the memo to the FBI because it does. Pretty simple. Now if you stupid Dems want this declassified . Lets declassify the FISA records. Back off dudes if you are smart enough because this will set your tails on fire.

God bless, Steve

From: Atheist
11-Feb-18
Trump won’t release the Democratic memo, because it makes a crystal clear argument as to why Carter Page was being spied on by the US. And if he releases it, it discredits the memo he and Devin Nunes wrote at one of their slumber parties.

From: Sixby
11-Feb-18
Nope, He will not release it because he sent it back to congress so that the Dems can redact the top secret info that they loaded it with. That is the truth and you and the rest of the left knows it is the truth. You are devious but we see you.

God bless, Steve

From: Atheist
11-Feb-18
On a related note : The U.S. House of Representatives voted in favor of allowing Russian Sanctions 419-3. The United States Senate voted in favor of allowing Russian sanctions 98-2. Donald Trump’s administration has chosen to ignore this and not extended sanctions on the Russians Why?

From: TD
11-Feb-18
Why? Obviously to make your head explode.

You've been booted many times for exploding heads and pure knowingly blatant lies. How one lives with themselves on that..... well, I don't care. It's your soul that will rot in hell.... not mine. It's just sad you might take a few innocent children with you....

From: Rhody
11-Feb-18
I heard that Carter Page was a spy for the FBI on Uranium One since 2014. Which is why FISA was involved..... Because Uranium One is owned and operated by Russian's... and Hillary was pro Uranium One's acquisitions .... and Slick Willy got 1.5million out of them.. something like .5 mill per cigar.... speech. . I mean speech.....

12-Feb-18
It appears to me that the FBI/DOJ were opposed to the Repub memo not so much because of real security risks, but more because the facts it contained would obviously embarrass both agencies.

Pete

From: JTV
12-Feb-18
Hey Lyin' Paul Zeidan.. AKA : 'theist/Lyin Ryan from dipshitville .. try and discount this ... that is if you can read .. you do know how dont you ...

For law enforcement, Congress and even journalists, exposing misdeeds is like peeling an onion. Each layer you remove gets you closer to the truth.

So it is with the scandalous behavior of the FBI during its probe into whether President Trump’s campaign conspired with Russia in 2016. One layer at a time, we’re learning how flawed and dirty that probe was.

A top layer involves the texts between FBI lawyer Lisa Page and her married lover, Peter Strzok, the lead agent on the Hillary Clinton e-mail probe. They casually mention an “insurance policy” in the event Trump won the election and a plan for Strzok to go easy on Clinton because she probably would be their next boss.

Those exchanges, seen in the light of subsequent events, lead to a reasonable conclusion that the fix was in among then-Director James Comey’s team to hurt Trump and help Clinton.

Another layer involves the declassified House memo, which indicates the FBI and Justice Department depended heavily on the unverified Russian dossier about Trump to get a warrant to spy on Carter Page, an American citizen and briefly a Trump adviser.

The House memo also reveals that Comey and others withheld from the secret surveillance court key partisan facts that would have cast doubt on the dossier. Officials never revealed to the judges that the document was paid for by Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee or that Christopher Steele, the former British spy who compiled the dossier, said he was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected.”

For Clinton, creating a cloud over Trump’s presidency and helping to put the nation through continuing turmoil is a victory of sorts. America is fortunate it’s her only victory.

A third layer of the onion involves the revelations in the letter GOP Sens. Charles Grassley and Lindsey Graham wrote to the Justice Department. They urge a criminal investigation into whether Steele lied to the FBI about how much and when he fed the dossier to the anti-Trump media.

The letter is compelling in showing that Steele said one thing under oath to a British court and something different to the FBI. The contradictions matter because the agency relied on Steele’s credibility in both the FISA applications and its actual investigation. Strangely, even after it fired him for breaking its rule forbidding media contact, the FBI continued to praise his credibility in court.

If that were all the senators’ letter accomplished, it would be enough. But it does much more.

It also reveals that two former journalists linked to Clinton, separately identified as the odious Sidney Blumenthal and a man named Cody Shearer, created and gave a State Department official additional unverified allegations against Trump.

The official passed those documents to Steele, who passed them to the FBI, which reportedly saw them as further evidence that Trump worked with Russians. But as Grassley, head of the Judiciary Committee, and Graham write, “It is troubling enough that the Clinton Campaign funded Mr. Steele’s work, but that these Clinton associates were contemporaneously feeding Mr. Steele allegations raises additional concerns about his credibility.”

The State Department official involved in the episode, Jonathan Winer, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post Friday in which he confessed to the senators’ chronology while offering a benign description of his motives. Winer also admitted he shared all the unverified allegations from the Clinton hitmen with other State Department officials.

There are many more layers of the onion to peel, but here’s where we are now: It increasingly appears that the Clinton machine was the secret, original source of virtually all the allegations about Trump and Russia that led to the FBI investigation.

In addition, the campaign and its associates, including Steele, were behind the explosion of anonymously sourced media reports during the fall of 2016 about that investigation.

Thus, the Democratic nominee paid for and created allegations against her Republican opponent, gave them to law enforcement, then tipped friendly media to the investigation. And it is almost certain FBI agents supporting Clinton were among the anonymous sources.

In fact, the Clinton connections are so fundamental that there probably would not have been an FBI investigation without her involvement.

That makes hers a brazen work of political genius — and perhaps the dirtiest dirty trick ever played in presidential history. Following her manipulation of the party operation to thwart Bernie Sanders in the primary, Clinton is revealed as relentlessly ruthless in her quest to be president.

The only thing that went wrong is that she lost the election. And based on what we know now, her claims about Trump were false.

Of the charges against four men brought by special counsel Robert Mueller, none involves helping Russia interfere with the election.

And neither the FBI nor Mueller has vouched for the truthfulness of the Blumenthal and Shearer claims or the Steele dossier. ­Instead, the dossier faces defamation lawsuits in the US and England from several people named in it.

In fairness, one person besides Steele has been cited as justification for the FBI probe. George Papadopoulos, a bit but ambitious player in the Trump orbit, met with a professor in Europe early in 2016 who told him the Kremlin had Clinton’s private e-mails.

In May 2016, Papadopoulos told the story to an Australian diplomat and two months later, in July, the Australian government alerted the FBI.

However, a full timeline convincingly points to Steele as the initial spark. He was hired by a Clinton contractor in June of 2016, and filed his first allegations against Trump on June 20. Two weeks later, on July 5, he met with an FBI agent in London, The Washington Post reported, and filed three more allegations that month, including one about Carter Page.

At any rate, it is certain that Steele and other Clinton operators provided all the allegations about Trump himself that the FBI started with and that Mueller inherited.

For Clinton, creating a cloud over Trump’s presidency and helping to put the nation through continuing turmoil is a victory of sorts. America is fortunate it’s her only victory.

To read more Michael Goodwin on The New York Post click here.

From: Bentstick81
12-Feb-18
Well JTV. atheist reading all that??? Not a chance. Even if he does, he will spin it around, to fit his stupid reply. 8^)))

From: Annony Mouse
13-Feb-18
Schiff Memo Blocked Because DOJ & FBI Under "Criminal Investigation" Says Former Federal Prosecutor

A former Federal prosecutor claims that the Democratic response to the House Intel Committee's GOP-authored "FISA memo" was blocked on the recommendation of the FBI and DOJ because the agencies are conducting internal investigations into politically motivated malfeasance by specific individuals which the Schiff memo could compromise if released without redactions.

"...DiGenova: “We’re going to see the [Democrat memo]. It will be heavily edited by the FBI and the Department of Justice and the CIA. The most important part of this story is that on Friday, February the 9th, Rod Rosenstein and Christopher Wray wrote a letter to the White House counsel Don McGahn that they could not agree to the publication of the Schiff memo because it contained national security and law enforcement concerns. It was actually the FBI and the Department of Justice says no [to releasing the memo]. The most important part of that letter is when it says… law enforcement concerns. What does that mean? It means, that there is a criminal investigation underway and release of some of the information in the memo by Mr. Schiff will affect that criminal investigation. I wonder who they are investigating? And the answer is pretty clear. They are investigating the people at the FBI and the DOJ who provided false information to the FISA court over a number of years, including, involving Carter Page.”...

From: JTV
13-Feb-18
does anyone really want the FBI/DOJ investigating themselves ?? ... I hate to see another special prosecutor appointed, but I'm thinking more everyday one is needed to look into this ..

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