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DL 20-Feb-18
Woods Walker 20-Feb-18
Annony Mouse 20-Feb-18
scentman 20-Feb-18
scentman 20-Feb-18
scentman 20-Feb-18
Shuteye 20-Feb-18
Woods Walker 20-Feb-18
DL 20-Feb-18
Woods Walker 20-Feb-18
scentman 21-Feb-18
Woods Walker 21-Feb-18
SJJ 21-Feb-18
SJJ 21-Feb-18
Shuteye 21-Feb-18
Annony Mouse 24-Feb-18
HA/KS 24-Feb-18
Rocky 24-Feb-18
Sixby 24-Feb-18
Rocky 24-Feb-18
HA/KS 24-Feb-18
HA/KS 24-Feb-18
TGbow 24-Feb-18
HA/KS 24-Feb-18
bad karma 25-Feb-18
Annony Mouse 27-Feb-18
Annony Mouse 06-Mar-18
Annony Mouse 08-Mar-18
Annony Mouse 08-Mar-18
From: DL
20-Feb-18

DL's Link

From: Woods Walker
20-Feb-18
Or at least there SHOULD be.

From: Annony Mouse
20-Feb-18
But...but...but...isn't this all about guns?

This shooting tragedy, for sure, is being shown to be a failure of inaction from the FBI down to the local school officials. Perhaps, before going after the majority of law abiding gun owners' rights by enacting more laws, the problems found in a case where it seems that everyone (including school officials) knew there was a volcano that was about to erupt need be addressed.

These 17 deaths should never ever occurred if Cruz had been dealt with by all levels of the system.

From: scentman
20-Feb-18
As Gomer Pile would say... surprise, surprise!

From: scentman
20-Feb-18
The sad thing is tomorrow banks will have armed guards... schools will have 'no gun zones" signs.

From: scentman
20-Feb-18
The kids have been used as pawns...local govs. and towns use them for more taxes... ie. busses, pools, sports programs, sports fields... they wont plow our streets unless its a schoolday!

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From: Shuteye
20-Feb-18
I agree with Rhody.

From: Woods Walker
20-Feb-18
"hell, liquor stores have armed guards in many places around here ..."

Oh my! Let me guess......you must live in a "diverse" area.

From: DL
20-Feb-18
Where I used to work and drive a truck years ago their were little kids running and playing on sidewalks that were still in diapers. My boss told me to drive carefully through those areas. They suddenly get real expensive if they get run over. Same with schools. Money is worth more than kids apparently .

From: Woods Walker
20-Feb-18
In Illinois you can tell when diversity is starting when the gas stations all have "PAY BEFORE PUMPING" signs when you pull up, and you know when it's become really diverse when the gas station clerk sits behind bars/bulletproof glass and you have to slide your money under the slot in the window.

From: scentman
21-Feb-18
Diversity... the new "there goes the neighborhood"

From: Woods Walker
21-Feb-18
In the Chicago area by the time a neighborhood is fully diverse it's no longer a neighborhood, but a Haitian style feces depression. That's what Democrat leadership is best at and well known for. They ARE good at it, I give them that.

From: SJJ
21-Feb-18
If the FBI missed this one they've missed hundreds more that didnt end up with shooting

From: SJJ
21-Feb-18

SJJ's Link

From: Shuteye
21-Feb-18
SJJ, I like that guy but darn if he doesn't talk fast.

From: Annony Mouse
24-Feb-18

Annony Mouse's Link
Yikes! If this is true, there will be a fecal matter hitting the rotating oscillator moment.

???? Henry...no clue what happened.

TheLastRefuge2

Fixed!

From: HA/KS
24-Feb-18
Mouse, did your link get deleted?

From: Rocky
24-Feb-18
Can someone explain to me what could have been done under his constitutional rights if the firearms were legal that he possessed? I agree all the signs were there, who would not past post, but at the time the authorities could not have done anything other than a max. 72 hr. delay. You can't just scoop up anybody you want that has not committed a crime and put them away indefinitely and confiscate their legal possessions. Where would that power originate? Is that what you truly want or only want when these events occur and emotions rule the day? Don't work that way. This country has become ALL inclusive in every facet of our society. My wife is a school teacher and those here who teach know exactly of which I speak when I say ALL inclusive. The stories I am told are simply mind boggling of wayward students beyond control.

The Rock

From: Sixby
24-Feb-18
Spot on that this goes to the first ammendment. Any time that anyone threatens the life or lives of others and that threat is provable then that person has to be stopped as a danger to society. Period and no exceptions. They can never own another deadly weapon. Period. The threat of mass murder should also include incarceration until multiple qualified people acertain that the person is able to return to society. Period. Until measures like this are taken what we have just faced will continue despite all gun laws . It may be partially removed by hardening schools and killing the killer but it will not stop until people are put in the closet and get no glory at all for the crime.

God bless, steve

From: Rocky
24-Feb-18
Sixby,

That's your own personal emotional rule of law that do not transfer to our laws in this country. " The threat of mass murder should also include incarceration until multiple qualified people acertain that the person is able to return to society." I am not comfortable at all with the "qualified" people who could make these decisions and the "qualified" in every walk of life as events as of late has shown us. Having faith is one thing. Instilling carte blanche decisions to contain someone beyond their will contingent upon the assessment of "qualified experts" who is another matter all together. A threat is a threat. They are made everyday by people in all walks of life. Road rage alone accounts for deadly threats. What you are asking is that which makes and creates a police state.

The Rock

From: HA/KS
24-Feb-18
JTV, who gets to define mental illness?

Who gets to determine which citizens meet that definition?

Who gets to decide what happens to those citizens?

From: HA/KS
24-Feb-18
I just know that socialists states use mental illness diagnosis against "enemies of the state."

From: TGbow
24-Feb-18
It doesn't matter...it's the guns that are the problem.

We need more gun laws because we know they criminals wont be able to get guns then.

From: HA/KS
24-Feb-18
JTV, I am not saying I am opposed, just that it can be misused.

From: bad karma
25-Feb-18
Pretty hard to sue a government agency or a school. The doctrine is known as sovereign immunity. I doubt there will be successful lawsuits, but there may be some idiots like the ones who tried to sue over the Aurora theater shooting may surface. (The Plaintiffs ended up with a whopper fee award against them.)

From: Annony Mouse
27-Feb-18
Vroom Vroom- That’s the Sound of Taxpayer Waste

It’s Broward County Sheriffs department’s Lamborghini.

From: Annony Mouse
06-Mar-18
Two Parkland Survivors Announce Intent to Sue Sheriffs, School System; Plus: Media Not Interested In Interviewing Pro-2nd Amendment Survivor

(note: internal links at link)

Sue, little ones -- sue like the wind.

Sue the FBI while you're at it.

Anthony Borges is considered one of the heroes of the Parkland shooting. The 15-year-old was shot twice in the torso and three times in the legs while trying to lock a door and protect other students. He then helped save his own life, using the knowledge he learned as a Boy Scout to create a tourniquet to slow his own bleeding. Yesterday, an attorney hired by the Borges family announced it would file a lawsuit against the school system and Broward County Sheriff's Office. From USA Today:

"The failure of Broward County Public Schools, and of the principal and school resource officer to adequately protect students, and in particular our client, from life-threatening harm were unreasonable, callous and negligent," attorney Alex Arreaza says in the letter. "Such action or inaction led to the personal injuries sustained by my client."

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Meanwhile, the Sun-Sentinel reports that a second Parkland shooting victim also announced plans to file a lawsuit this week...

A lawsuit is absolutely necessary to bring the necessary attention to this insane policy of not involving police when students attack or threaten other students, to make sure they graduate without a record.

By the way: This is totally unnecessary. Youth convictions are sealed and can be expunged upon maintaining majority; however, in the meantime, that black mark can keep them from buying guns (legally), as it should.

In fact, if a "youth" is convicted of a violent crime, I wouldn't mind him having a probationary red flag on his ability to buy guns, even if his record is formally expunged. Let him prove his status as law-abiding, non-violent citizen for five years after expunging his record before he gets his gun rights back.

Meanwhile, a Parkland survivor who supports the 2nd Amendment wants to tell his story-- but for some reason, the media isn't interested.

Maybe George Clooney's publicists just aren't around to set up round-the-clock media hits for him. Or maybe it's because he's not pushing the line that the media wants to push.

[Kyle Kashuv] has a lot to say but can't help but wonder aloud if many in the mainstream media have any interest in listening. Some of his schoolmates have gained prominence as television mainstays in the aftermath of the killings, their opinions validated with verified social media statuses, amassing millions of followers in the process. Kashuv is just as much a Parkland survivor as now-familiar names like David Hogg and Cameron Kasky, yet his views have only garnered limited attention.

I ask him why he thinks that's the case. "I don't know," he says, hesitantly. "Maybe because I don't use inflammatory language. I speak calmly and logically without much emotion. I don't necessarily make the very best headline." He's politely referring to some of his more "famous" peers' propensity to launch provocative and partisan attacks, such as repeated assertions that people who disagree with their political or policy preferences "don't care" about dead children, or have 'blood on their hands.' But Kashuv knows that the disparate treatment he's lived isn't merely attributable to stylistic differences; he's convinced that the substance of his views is what has diminished his appeal to many activists and journalists.

"I'm a very strong Second Amendment supporter and I will continue to be throughout this entire campaign." he tells me. "As of right now, my main goal is to meet with legislators and represent to them that there are big Second Amendment supporters in our community. Through this entire thing, my number one concern has been making sure that the rights of innocent Americans aren't infringed upon."

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Kashuv counts himself as a believer in the 'Never Again' cause, but feels ostracized and ignored by those -- including students and the adults supporting them -- who disagree with his conservative politics....

He wasn't invited to participate in CNN's raucous and emotional town hall meeting in the wake of the shooting, watching it instead on television along with the general public (he says some of the pro-gun control students who traveled with him in Tallahassee were flown back for the event).

Jake Tapper, what a delight. Whatever else we do, the TruCucks must keep praising this former Salon reporter and former spokesman for Handgun Control, Inc.

Because he retweets them and flatters them with very low-level attention. On Twitter.

Why, it's almost like you become a TV Star yourself when Jake Tapper retweets you!

From: Annony Mouse
08-Mar-18
Two Miramar SWAT Officers Suspended For Heading To Parkland School Shooting

Instead of sheltering in place, they responded.

Via Sun Sentinel:

When a gunman started shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, two Miramar SWAT team members did what comes naturally: They went to help.

Now they’ve been suspended for it.

The officers did not have permission to respond to the shooting at Parkland on Feb. 14, when 17 people were killed.

And that created an officer safety issue and left them unaccountable for their actions, according to their police department.

But their union reacted differently.

“While it may have been a violation of policy to not notify their supervisors that they were going there, their intentions were brave and heroic, I think,” Broward County PBA President Jeff Marano said Wednesday.

The SWAT officers who responded were Detective Jeffrey Gilbert and Detective Carl Schlosser. One of them told supervisors he was in the Coral Springs area when the gunfire happened; it’s not known where the other drove from, police spokeswoman Tania Rues said.

“They were both close by [the high school],” Rues said...

Disgraced Parkland Deputy Heard Shots Inside School Building, Told Cops To Stay Away

Roundly vilified for not entering a Parkland high school during a mass shooting, Broward Deputy Scot Peterson insisted publicly that he believed that gunfire was happening outside on campus — not from inside the building.

But internal radio dispatches released by the sheriff’s office Thursday show Peterson immediately fixated on Building 12 and even radioed that gunfire was happening “inside.”

And, just as school shooter Nikolas Cruz was fleeing the building after killing 17 people, Peterson warned his fellow officers to stay away — even as wounded students and staff lay inside...

From: Annony Mouse
08-Mar-18
Parkland massacre school superintendent begins CYA process

Rather than give a transparent, honest, and public account of how Nikolas Cruz was able to avoid the juvenile justice system as his behavior became increasingly volatile, Superintendent Robert Runcie has recommended a comprehensive investigation of Cruz's educational background, to be completed by June 2018.

The district will pony up $60,000 to pay an independent consulting firm, Collaborative Educational Network, to pore over Cruz's school records and determine what went wrong...

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