For starters, we need REAL armed guards, not knuckleheads like Deputy No-Balls, the officer assigned to the Parkland school last week. Deputy Scott Peterson, instead of engaging the killer, hid outside the school as the kids were gunned down. Pathetic.
"Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel suspended the SRO, 54-year-old Scot Peterson, after watching video footage of Peterson declining to enter the school during Nikolas Cruz's six-minute rampage;"
I've heard of people that are uncomfortable with the idea of police in the school simply because they carry a gun. They argue, "what if the gun is stolen or gets into the wrong hands"? I guess the astronomically small chance for a cop to lose or misplace his pistol is a bigger concern than having a whack job run In and kill multiple people at a whim.
So stop calling them schools and rename them armed camps for kids. Because I’m sure the majority of American moms want their elementary schools looking like an armed fortress. It would most definitely push good educators out of the profession and soon you’d have a bunch of wannabe mercenaries ‘teaching’. Fear is a powerful motivator. Paralyzing at times. If you want to teach our 5 year olds under a cloud of fear (they would know why armed people are walking around of course) then we will have handicapped a cohort of kids. This proves that this isn’t about protecting kids, it’s about putting more guns in people’s hands. At least call it what it is
I can understand the trepidation among folks thinking teachers have to walk around locked and cocked. If that's a non-starter, it is possible to arm teachers with unloaded weapons that can be brought into battery in less than 3-5 seconds. Inert as a stapler until it is needed.
One of my fraternity brothers is a teacher in northern VA and his constant refrain is that he doesn't want his school to feel like a prison. He is also an avid baseball fan and attends MLB baseball games often. I wonder why he subjects himself to all those gun toting "prison guards" at the ball games.
Colin Noir has a good piece on the psychology of those who don't want guns in school because they cannot handle the thought of being in danger. Very intuitive and, at least, offers an explanation of how people can be such sheep. I'll try to dig it up.
atheist. The way you are LYING to the children you teach at Briarcliff Manor High School, those kids are going to have to fight their way through life. Just like the bull$hit LIE you just replied???
Our school is armed and the kids are not affected. It is the most friendly, caring school I have taught in. Within a week the kids adapt. The cops are all former students and athletes of mine, and those of us carrying, train with SWAT, again, former students. We care too much for these young people to leave them unprotected. This has been going on for 10 years. We have both men and women involved, and I will tell you this, a couple of those women are nothing to mess with. Very maternal and they can shoot a Glock. Our little school in our village is set up with locked doors, and a safe room that looks like a safe with a locking bullet-proof door. We only have 14 kids with 2 teachers, 3 when I teach phys-ed 2 days a week during winter. When I used to be the teaching principal in our little school, the older boys would bring their guns to school so they could hunt right after school. They would put them in my office along with my .22. We had a woodchuck digging up the ball field behind the school. I shot the sucker during math class right out the classroom window. During schoolboard meetings, the superintendant and school board would examine and admire the guns. Society changed, not the guns.
"So stop calling them schools and rename them armed camps for kids. Because I’m sure the majority of American moms want their elementary schools looking like an armed fortress."
Atheist a little sexist don't ya think? Do Dads have any say in this? I would think you woud be a little more sensitive with your lingo as a lib. I have 2 kids in school, and would like nothing better than for there to be armed/trained guards, cops, army vets, or capable trained CC teacher at their school. In fact I have been calling for it the past 3 years and my wife and everybody I know who's kids go to the elementary schools and HS agree. We live in liberal Illinois but conservative rural downstate. Speak for yourself pussy...and that's my wife saying that and not me!
The left never pauses to consider that a student might feel safer attending school knowing there are good guys watching out for them. My kids are taught to respect LE and military. They would love having those guys around.
Its depressing that we even have to consider armed security at schools but we aren't reversing the decline of values, morals and whatever else is causing these evil people from targeting them any time soon.
Judging from the quality of his posts and thought, Jack, I would correct your comment as below:
Know the man of many feces...the one he presents to most, is his backside as he flees.
The presence of armed guards at our local grocery stores in diverse neighborhoods (read: Socialist Denver") does not seem to bother anyone. Nor do the police on the 16th Street Mall. And, of course, if your tender little snowflake brain is offended by seeing the weapons, we'll accommodate by permitting concealed weapons permit holders on school campuses so the only time you'll see a gun is immediately after a school shooter shows up.
Teachers are already under paid especially if you are asking them to bear the additional responsibility of carrying a firearm at work. That said, I'll bet if you offered 10K more a year to be properly trained and qualify annually on fire arms usage that he/she wouldn't have any problem carrying during class. The weapon doesn't have to be visible. I can be in their desk, purse, tucked in under a shirt. Most of the students would never know it is there. Regardless if you had metal detectors, armed teachers, and better security measures this won't totally solve the problem. All an active shooter needs to do is set off the fire alarm and pick people off as they come out.
Schools can also take other measures to increase security. Doors that can be shut and locked remotely can trap an active shooter in one place. Metal detectors and controlled access points are other methods.
IMO violent video game create an unrealistic expectation, glorify combat, and desensitize young minds. One phone game I have seen advertisements for is a sniper game that glorifies head shots and zooms in so you can see the head explode at the moment the round impacts the cranium. These games are pretty realistic visually (especially the play station games), but don't capture smell, sound, physical touch, fear, anger, terror involved with real combat. It also removes the human connection from who you have just killed (this person had people/family who cared about them, had a job, woke up today just like you hoping not to get shot, and etc).
Also, just because the law considers you an adult at 18 doesn't automatically mean you are going to think and act like a 30 year old. Most kids don't have a clue what they want to do with their lives until they are in their mid to late 20's, but yet we allow them to spend thousands on college educations to learn job skills they may not even use. We don't allow an 18-20 year old to buy beer, hard alcohol, or hand guns. Why are we allowing them to buy a high capacity assault rifle?
Before anyone slams me because we entrust sophisticated weaponry to our brave services members let me say something. I spent 28 years in the Marine Corps and have worked with America's finest 18-20 year old war-fighters. This is just my opinion and you can take it for what it is worth.
The military spends thousands on training these young and bright minds on how to care for and employ these weapons. During this process they are also taught discipline, respect, and self worth. By the time they graduate from recruit training/boot camp they have a solid foundation to build from. During the course of their enlistment when they are using these weapons 90 percent of the time they are under the supervision of a senior (NCO, SNCO, company commander, fire team leader, etc) . IMO comparing them to a recent HS graduate who had no sound parent upbringing, history of mental illness and law enforcement trouble is night and day. I'm not saying all young adults who don't join the military aren't responsible enough to own an assault rifle, but they also can't buy a beer or a hand gun either (neither can the young adults in the military).
How are we addressing mental illness and why/how young active shooters came to this point in the first place? If someone is crazy then they probably shouldn't have a firearm. I'm not sure how to screen people and should you punish someone who likes to hunt and shoot because they have a mental problem and are perfectly fine while medicated? What happens if he/she stops taking their medications? What about the guy who doesn't have medical insurance, doesn't see a doctor, and slips under the radar? What happens to the person who was perfectly fine and developed the mental problem later in life? Should shrinks and medical doctors be able to put your name into a data base because they feel you are crazy or taking medications that might make using a firearm dangerous to yourself or others? There is a lot to think about and I hope our government eventually figures it out.
"So stop calling them schools and rename them armed camps for kids. Because I’m sure the majority of American moms want their elementary schools looking like an armed fortress. It would most definitely push good educators out of the profession and soon you’d have a bunch of wannabe mercenaries ‘teaching’. Fear is a powerful motivator. Paralyzing at times. If you want to teach our 5 year olds under a cloud of fear (they would know why armed people are walking around of course) then we will have handicapped a cohort of kids. This proves that this isn’t about protecting kids, it’s about putting more guns in people’s hands. At least call it what it is" BY...Atheist
So, you say you want the gov to do something to keep kids safer? More gun laws? Armed guards would actually make a real difference opposed to more gun laws that will do absolutely nothing to protect kids in the real world.
I have to say your statement is a prime example of how those on the left refuse to look at real solutions and just bark about the problem like a clanging symbol. I still have not seen any response to the question....do criminals obey/respect the law?
The common sense answer is NO. If the answer is no , they do not obey the law, then the only solution is prevention by FORCE.
If I were a teacher I'd pay THE SCHOOL 10k to be able to carry so I knew that if it came down to it I'd go down fighting. If children were my designated responsibility then I'd defend them with my own life if necessary. Those teachers and students at Parkland who purposely sacrificed their own lives for others while the school and local government not only DIDN'T have their back but when the time actually came ignored their demise as it was occurring are TRUE heroes and in my mind I pray I would do the same in their circumstance.
This is why Liberal proponents are afraid of armed guards in schools. Sadly, it also may be a major reason why current and future school shootings occur....
Armed guards would devastate Liberal "Crime Reduction" programs and associated funding.
All those armed guards would be hard to control, they would undoubtably result in an increase of crime. ;)
Last fall, my Wife and I were food shopping at Wegmans.
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As usual, I got in line to treat myself for what I call a "Fru Fru" coffee. I usually drink my coffee black, but every now and then I get a vanilla latte.
Anyway, there was this couple ahead of us, who were waiting for their drinks to be served while we were still in line to order. The Man was open carrying a M1911. A young lady stated to my wife how she was so scared of the Man with a pistol.
My wife replied, "Honey, have you ever heard of an armed robber ordering a latte prior to robbing a grocery store. You are actually very safe in this line, and ( as my Wife pulls her .380 out of her purse ) I will have that guys back if bad guys show up.
Ya'll should have seen the look on that young ladies face.
The issue, is that we are two or three generations removed from the farm, and people hunting for sustenance. A lot of snowflakes have never seen a weapon in person, held by a good guy, and their only exposure to firearms is on TV.
Those of us who hunt know what a gunshot looks like when dressing the game we shoot. That is just one more layer of respect of life we have concerning guns and weapons.
I have in-laws in Connecticut that have never held a firearm.
So, people are clueless when it comes to firearms, gunshot damage, and respect for each other and life in general. That is the subtrahend for taking prayer and the 10 commandments out of our schools.
".... "Some"People fear armed guards in schools...."
Yes, some do. It will stop the massive school shootings, the driving force behind their gun control efforts. Without the school shootings they have no gun control agenda.
"...So stop calling them schools and rename them armed camps for kids. Because I’m sure the majority of American moms want their elementary schools looking like an armed fortress. It would most definitely push good educators out of the profession..."
You're saying the anti-gun LWL minded teachers would quit teaching. Thanks for pointing out there's is a secondary benefit for securing schools with armed personnel
Most of the work I do is in Schools. I work in most of the Schools in CT and many throughout New England and farther. Most of the Schools in CT at least have varying degrees of security in place already. I do a lot of work at Newtown High School, this is the way it's set up and many are like this. There is a guard shack at the driveway entrance where you are obligated to stop and talk to the guard. then there is a police officer inside with the marked car sitting in front of the school. The windows are tinted so you can't see in. You must ring a buzzer and state why you are there and allow someone to buzz you in, then there is a kiosk inside with a guard that checks you in and with your license scans a data base, there is also a police officer patrolling in the school. Like I said I'm in numerous schools, including one in Dobbs Ferry NY doing work and many are set up like this.Contrary to Paul Zeidans hysterical fears I don't see any issues at all from the kids with this environment. In fact based on my interaction within the schools, It's a non issue. What I don't know is whether the glass in the front of the buildings and doors has been reinforced or if there are others carrying guns. That is not made public. All I know is what I can observe. Kids are hanging out and interacting in common areas as if there is no issue at all. I have not seen any metal detectors yet but I think it would be a great Idea.
Since the shooting at Parkland I've been listening to people comment about it and while I know these folks and they are good people when it comes to guns they have NO idea of what they're talking about. This is the audience that CNN and the other crap news feeds their bullshit to.
The last one I saw was someone I know referring to the AR as a "sniper rifle". I'll be responding to that one with a well thought out answer!
I don't have those answers. All I have is my own observations when I'm at the particular schools. I don't know how many or if anyone is carrying other than the police officer I have seen. The guards are in a position that I have never observed them from the waist down and I have never asked them. What I can say, is it's a fairly rigid process for getting visitors in the doors and securing the building and no one seems the worse for wear from it. Point being, it would seem to me to be an easy transition to installing metal detectors with armed guards if they aren't already without sending too many people off the deep end.
bb, the school in Florida has 3,000 students. There are probably at least 300-500 staff in a school that size. How can you efficiently get that many people in and out without having long waiting lines?
I also see those long waiting lines as potential target areas.
I am all for making schools more secure, but do not see it as easy as installing a few metal detectors.
If we can't keep drugs and weapons out of high security prisons, we probably can't keep all of them out of schools.
I’m not saying it’s foolproof. But the title of this thread says that people are afraid of having armed guards in schools. Then there are the Paul Ziedans that have to be admitted for therapy at the thought. Anytime there is a school population as large as 3,000 people it presents unique challenges. But the one certain thing remains regardless, if you don’t have armed protection and some means of metal detection, then they will continue to be sitting ducks. Maybe school districts should limit school sizes, and build more schools. If a 1000 student population is defendable then maybe that’s the direction they need to look.
I think that's a great starting point. Get armed people in the schools that are willing and able to use firearms in self defense. Then figure the rest out as we go.
I hate the fact that we have left society degrade to the point that we have to think about armed guards at public school. It would take time to reverse the trends we have allowed. Armed guards may be our only "quick" defense to stop these trends. To many people have lost their ability to reason and determine right from wrong.
There is another alternative. Parents.....parent your children. YOU take responsibility.
We pulled our kids out of school, my wife homeschooled all five of our children. 3 of them routinely scored above the national average when tested during the public schools achievement test. The oldest two tested way above the national average.
They went on field trips with other home schooled kids, played sports ect... My youngest is currently serving in the Armed forces at fort Benning. Two are happily married with kids. ALL are living good responsible lives in society. If you fear for your children and their future and are concerned about their well being it is an option. It takes a tremendous amount of time, and it is not financially easy. Luckily I have a very good paying job My wife stayed home with the kids. You still have to pay school taxes, and you are subject to the local schools oversight as far as evaluation ect... Plus you must buy your own curriculum books ect...
We have never regretted our decision and everyone of our kids have expressed their thankfulness. One of the things that stood out to me was when our son joined the military. In one of his letters home was how immature some of the other young men still were.
Parents.....parent your children....if you do not teach them, the rest of the world will.
I wanted to add, I have a high school education public school, my kids are way above the education I got at public school, and were not subject to some of the things I got myself into..LOL...that's another story. And it is far, far FAR worse today. Thankfully my wife has a good education and college degree, she provided what I could not.
Wonder if anyone knows of this and when his opinion changed?
"We believe in absolutely gun-free, zero-tolerance, totally safe schools. That means no guns in America’s schools. Period." - Wayne LaPierre, then Executive Vice President of the NRA, in 1999
Ya but atheist. We are following eight years of a democrat POTUS, that ingrained in these kids minds the Lawlessness, to ignore demands from law enforcement, that we see daily. Police are the bad guys, and the shooters of people are the victims, because guns are the problem. Look at you. You believe it, yourself.
"We believe in absolutely gun-free, zero-tolerance, totally safe schools. That means no guns in America’s schools. Period. With the rare exception of law enforcement officers or trained security personnel. We believe America’s schools should be as safe as America’s airports. You can’t talk about. Much less take guns on the airplanes. Such behavior in our schools should be prosecuted. Just as certainly as such behavior in our airports is prosecuted."
Armed Guards are not feared in my District they are welcomed. After Sandy Hook our school district put two armed guards in each of its 14 schools. It made national news as doom and gloom. Today if you ask any parent within the district they feel a sense of relief and there has not been one issue or safety concern. I just walked out of an office building that was protected by armed guards. If your going to protect office workers with armed guards why in the hell wouldn't we want to protect Kids with armed guards.
People that fear armed guards in schools also fear vaccines. Worse than they fear the disease itself. Maybe they should also fear airbags and seatbelts. No common sense.
As long as "retired" servicemen and women can still handle a gun. I work with a few who have not touched a firearm since their discharge many, many years ago.
"Parents.....parent your children....if you do not teach them, the rest of the world will."
Worth repeating.
More security is a bandaid that pushes our society closer to sh**holes like Costa Rica. Down there, every residence and business has prison bars on every window and door. Every community has security gates with attendees. Armed guards are posted at every public location...beaches, restaurants, public parks...you name it.
Despite the security, I've never felt so unsafe in any place as I did in that country. I kept telling myself there was a reason for all that security, and I thanked God the US hasn't gotten to that point. Be careful of what you wish for.
"More security is a bandaid that pushes our society closer to sh**holes like Costa Rica. Down there, every residence and business has prison bars on every window and door. Every community has security gates with attendees. Armed guards are posted at every public location...beaches, restaurants, public parks...you name it."
Kind of reminds me of the the architecture in the Bronx, New Haven, Bridgeport. There seems to be a common theme here. Bandaids serve a purpose, there is a time and place for them.
Arm the teachers and stop the school shootings, also shuts down the Democrats gun control agenda. Democrats will never agree to arm the teachers, its just not in their DNA.
You latter point hits the 10 ring, Thumper. If mass shootings (particularly at schools) were abated, the gun control agenda would collapse. Frankly, that agenda is more precious to many politicians than our children.
Democrats and some trumpettes want to pass gun laws that have no effect so when another shooting happens they can build on those laws and bans. Armed guards being feared is the Democrat tactic to keep shootings going. If shootings stop, no need to ban guns and the liberal agenda crashes.....
