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Snowflakes: Stupid or Just Ignorant?
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Franzen 04-Mar-18
Franzen 04-Mar-18
Kodiak 04-Mar-18
Woods Walker 04-Mar-18
sleepyhunter 04-Mar-18
Kodiak 04-Mar-18
Missouribreaks 04-Mar-18
Atheist 04-Mar-18
Kodiak 04-Mar-18
bad karma 04-Mar-18
Annony Mouse 04-Mar-18
TGbow 04-Mar-18
Owl 04-Mar-18
Annony Mouse 04-Mar-18
Bill in SD 04-Mar-18
Shuteye 04-Mar-18
TGbow 04-Mar-18
Tonybear61 04-Mar-18
HDE 04-Mar-18
Kodiak 05-Mar-18
Kodiak 05-Mar-18
Kodiak 05-Mar-18
Bowbender 05-Mar-18
Will 05-Mar-18
Woods Walker 05-Mar-18
TGbow 05-Mar-18
TGbow 05-Mar-18
Sixby 05-Mar-18
Two Feathers 05-Mar-18
Woods Walker 06-Mar-18
Annony Mouse 06-Mar-18
Will 06-Mar-18
Annony Mouse 06-Mar-18
TGbow 06-Mar-18
Woods Walker 06-Mar-18
Sixby 06-Mar-18
7mm08 07-Mar-18
From: Franzen
04-Mar-18
Perhaps the problem with "snowflakes" might not be so much that they are stupid, but that they think they know more than what they do. I don't believe that a lot of the generation is simply stupid. Ignorance is always a problem in youth. We were all ignorant to some degree. With today's advancements in the technology department, and the sheer volume of information available, it may come as no surprise that all these younger people believe they "know everything". In my opinion, that is the danger being faced: although these youngsters believe they may "know everything", being able to understand and apply the wealth of information isn't necessarily a given at the younger age. Someone who thinks they know everything, is one who usually refuses to acknowledge input from sources that don't already agree with them. Heck, we have that problem around here, you don't have to look far.

From: Franzen
04-Mar-18
I'm not in disagreement there. It's definitely on most of you guys that post here, or your kids. ;^)

In all honesty, with a young child myself, I can see it being a battle in this day and age. Kids have access to unlimited technology for their entire lives. Why listen to their parents that might be "wrong" when they can just go to the internet to get "answers"? Often, these "answers" may come from someone whose influence you would never want to expose your child to. Hard to look forward to. Thinking that restricting access to this wealth of information is even a possibility in today's day and age is wishful thinking in my opinion.

Maybe people my age should be a little better prepared, knowing a little more what to expect. Folks raising the majority of the current crop of "snowflakes" definitely didn't know what to expect in terms of the technological age. Unfortunately, I have a feeling it may wind up being more of a continued downward spiral.

From: Kodiak
04-Mar-18
Hell no they're not dumb, they're indoctrinated idiots. They've been brainwashed by the Bolshevik media since the day they were born. Movies, news, education, porn, broken homes, music...Drugged into submission since 1st grade if they didn't 'comply'. Shamed and scorned for simply being White...if it applies.

I'm amazed that they can still function at all, but don't expect many young people to have a clue about much of anything.

Doubt there's anything that can be done,..short of revolution. The left controls all the levers of the culture war right now and they're not likely to give up that power.

From: Woods Walker
04-Mar-18
You're a product of your raising. All a human being knows how to do when it leaves the womb is breathe, pee and poop. The rest is up to the parents (and ideally that's PLURAL!), assuming that the child in question has a normal, functioning brain. Not the schools, not the TV or the computer, but THE PARENTS. And you not only must preach it, you must LIVE IT. Be a daily, living example for your kids as to what a responsible, thinking human being is so that when they are "taught" by lying frauds like Paul Zeiden their bullsh*t meter will be at DefCon 5.

From: sleepyhunter
04-Mar-18
Younger generation kids are growing in a very different world. Social media, cell phones, internet are technologies that have taken over. Many, not all get their visions of right and wrong from social media. I believe it's a very powerful influence on younger people. Parents are passed over many times when it comes to younger people deciding what's right and wrong.

From: Kodiak
04-Mar-18
Saying parents hold all the power is a nice notion, but it's simply not rooted in any sort of reality.

Back in the day, more so. Now, no way.

The vast majority of mothers ship new their babies for someone else to take care of while she goes straight back to work. That's a broken society, plain and simple. Won't end good.

04-Mar-18
Totally agree with Woods Walker.

Start a toddler with a crossbow,..... and that will become bowhunting to them!

From: Atheist
04-Mar-18

From: Kodiak
04-Mar-18
Yep, evil whitey must perish!

Go fellate yourself commie.

From: bad karma
04-Mar-18
The snowflakes spend their days glued to an Ipad or their cellphone, getting all of their information from leftist sources. It's no wonder they are ill-informed.

And the village idiot who seems to delight in calling the people here racists has no idea who he is talking to, or about. He's the intellectual version of a grain of sand in the Sahara Desert. And, to be accurate, stupid and ignorant are not mutually exclusive. There are plenty who are both.

From: Annony Mouse
04-Mar-18
My children grew up and unlike their friends, never ever had a video game in our home. All three are now adults and highly functioning citizens. It all starts in the home with parent(s) who are willing to sacrifice a little of their careers to focus on the primary job of being a parent: being a parent.

Elucidation greater than 2 lines:

From Weasel Zippers today:

Wisconsin Sheriff: End School Violence By Parenting, End Participation Trophies

Following every mass killing, I ask myself, what has happened to our society? I also wonder what the solution is to ensure our families do not become future victims.

Many have pointed out that years ago, people would go to school and have hunting rifles in their vehicles. Yet, mass violence in schools and other locations did not happen as in society today. It makes me think that there must be a root cause that we are not addressing that has led to this change.

So what has changed and more importantly how do we fix it? Media reports of school walk-outs and gun control discussions are becoming more prevalent than ever, all in an effort to find a quick and easy solution. I think it is safe to say that there is no quick and easy solution.

I think perhaps we are not evaluating the true root cause which is obviously very complex. We must make efforts to change our society as a whole. It’s my belief that the root cause starts with our youth lacking basic skills including respect for authority figures like parents and teachers, the ability to cope with conflict and the ability to handle rejection. Further issues like mental health and alcohol/drug use also play a role, but column length restrictions limit my ability to cover all aspects of the root cause today.

I believe it is imperative that we raise our children in a manner that instills respect for authority. While we all love our children, we need to get back to a society of parents who expect a level of respect toward both them and others in authority, including teachers. Discipline needs to be reintegrated into our society. Parents, don’t ever let anyone tell you that you can’t or shouldn’t reasonably discipline your child in a non-abusive manner. Teachers need to have the support of parents when they make disciplinary decisions and parents need to resist the urge of running to the defense of their children when a teacher feels the need to discipline. It undermines their authority and will likely be treated as an example for actions toward others in authority in the future.

What about inability to cope or handle rejection? For years we have watched as competition has been replaced by participation awards that are given to make children feel good. While no one wants their child to ever be disappointed or upset, when they are young, they need to face conflict and disappointment and learn to resolve it appropriately under the guidance of adults. It is part of developing their personality and dealing with conflict in the future. When youth are not taught how to handle difficult situations, they must find their own way to cope, which without guidance may be result in unhealthy or even dangerous future behavior. I am no expert and am merely giving an opinion of what I have seen in my own experience, but I feel that my opinions have merit as I have witnessed people dealing with difficult situations at the worst times of their lives.

My point in writing this is not to place blame but rather to start conversations on what truly is the root cause of violence in society. Many have strong opinions about gun control but realistically gun control will do nothing more than place a very small band aid on a much bigger problem. It is imperative that we have serious discussions on what we can do to change the norms of our society and positively impact the decisions our youth make. It’s time to refocus our energy to affect long lasting change so that we can keep Dodge County a safe and enjoyable place to live, work and visit.

Sheriff Dale J. Schmidt

Compare Sheriff Schmidt to what is called a sheriff in Broward County.

From: TGbow
04-Mar-18
Values begin at home. Hopefully if we teach our children it will stick with them, but they have a free will so there's no guarantee they will.

Problem is if they are going to schools and universities that pump out the liberal rheteric, it doesn't help.

In my family on my inlaws side, my wife's mom n Dad vote liberal. It's not just young people that are the problem. It's not the mills that gave us FDR's socialist programs and all the other progressive junk that's come along in the last 100 yrs. I pray my 13 yr old daughter and my grandson's generation will be the generation that turns this country around.

From: Owl
04-Mar-18
I agree with Kevin. So much of what we are experiencing is a dereliction of duty on the parents and a cultural shift from the nuclear family to the imperial self (and all the symptoms thereof).

Proverbs 22:6: Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. While there are anomalies in the dynamic expressed in Proverbs 22:6, for the most part, kids WILL circle back to their upbringing. And we have utterly failed to provide a functional or healthy basis for them to do so.

From: Annony Mouse
04-Mar-18
TGbow...

I was an involved parent with my kids and their schools. Met and talked to teachers and had their textbooks sent home so I could read. Early on, I taught my kids how to filter out liberal bullshit and they knew well that their dad would back them up when it came to liberal theology evaluated homework/testing. I found that most teachers rather appreciate an involved parent...which was verified when I did my stint as a full time sub.

Of course, my children were fortunate to attend a rural school system that was uncomfortable to teachers (like Paul Zeidan of Briarcliff Manor HS) who preached proregressive socialism in classes. Heck, our school system even allowed students who were up-to-date with school work to take off opening day of deer and turkey seasons.

From: Bill in SD
04-Mar-18
They are both stupid and ignorant.

From: Shuteye
04-Mar-18
Both, stupid and ignorant.

From: TGbow
04-Mar-18
AM, that is what I did with my son, he's grown now. Doing the same with my 13 yr old daughter. Hopefully she will make good choices, she has a good teacher...my wife.

If I have to say so myswlf I'm proud of my son. 8 yrs in the military, 2 toursvin Iraq in the USMC. But, at the end of the day they have to make their own choices.

Had someone in my immediate family, someone I watched grow up...smart as a whip. He chose the wrong road though he had good teachings at home. Lost his life at 39 yrs old.

I've seen kids that had terrible home lives grow up and choose to go the right way. All we can do is our part, and lots of prayer.

From: Tonybear61
04-Mar-18
BA degrees instead of BS where you actually dig for the source of science and news reports instead of what is constantly being repeated on Twitter, Snapchat, the bias mainstream media. Both my son and daughter have picked up on this in school, getting back the original reference or study can be difficult as everyone just keeps quoting someone else who quoted someone who quoted someone else , three or four people down the line till you find who actually conducted the study and their statements, or findings.

From: HDE
04-Mar-18
Their naivety brings on the clueless behavior they exhibit.

What they need is some good 'ol fashioned fence building and a summer of haulin' hay.

From: Kodiak
05-Mar-18
"With all due respect, I disagree. Unless your children are taken away, the only way to really lose the power is to give it away."

Like I said before Kevin, a nice notion but fantasyland bs. I apologize for the bluntness, but I hail from the 24hourcampfire forums where 'feel good' etiquettes mean nothing. I doubt I'll last long here. Lolol!

From: Kodiak
05-Mar-18
"What do you base that on Kodiak?"

Unless you literally shackle your kid to your arm its silly to think that you can completely control what a kid thinks regarding outside influences.

You want to see some real teen rebellion, go ahead and be an overbearing hyper controlling parent and see how well that works out for ya.(rhetorical)

From: Kodiak
05-Mar-18
Btw congrats on raising your daughter. I've no doubt you're a great parent.

From: Bowbender
05-Mar-18
“Like I said before Kevin, a nice notion but fantasyland bs”

Reminds me of when my kids were younger, I would hear “I can’t daddy, it’s too hard.”

So now, the adults look at the kids and say “I’d love to be primary influence in your life, but it’s too hard. I’ll let the world take my place.”

Then they’re shocked when their kids lives mirror the world. Of all the things to quit, our kids shouldn’t be one of them.

From: Will
05-Mar-18
K Cummings, no, they are intelligent as heck. (should have stopped here, I'm breaking the 2-4 sentence "rule" :))

Are they (kids) always right in their ideas and assumptions or beliefs. No. None of us are though. Heck, people who believe most strongly that their ideas are correct are the ones most often fooled into believing poor information (plenty of research out there the past 10~ years to look at on this via any of the scholarly search engines out there free). Contextual awareness plays a role there. If you don't know a broader breadth of information, it's hard to really understand the value of, or reality of, new information (because you are either UNWILLING to seek it out and be open to it, or have never learned it).

What group is more likely to have less informational context, but be more excited to jump into a new stream of information, than a young person? I'd argue none. So they are easily duped into going into crazy worm holes (which may be good, if there is a family/social system to expose them to other ideas).

From: Woods Walker
05-Mar-18
"Thank you but rest assured I've made, and continue to make my share of mistakes. I've just never thought it was anyone else's responsibility (opportunity) to teach my child anything other than the 3R's."

X2

From: TGbow
05-Mar-18
It is up to us to teach our kids values. Best thing we can do is be an example to them. As a society we have come to look to the schools as the responsible party for our kids. I'm not saying everyone but society as a whole. Eventually they will have to make their own choices. There's no guarantee they will make the right choices but we can do our part It sure doesn't help none if my kid is being indoctrinated with junk at school but if I instill in them the right teachings they are more likely to stick with it. We home school our daughter for different reasons but home schooling doesn't guarantee she will walk the right path.

From: TGbow
05-Mar-18
We teach our daughter biblical principals. Even in church I am cautious of what she is learning.

It's not anyone's job to teach her morality but ours, but at some point she will have to choose to follow Christ on her own. There are a lot of good people that are not Christians that have high morals that teach some good principals, but like I tell my kids they have to choose to accept Christ for themselves as their savior and just being a good person will not get them into heaven. Only through the cross. God himself doesn't force himself on us. We have a free will, but whether or not we accept him doesn't change the truth.

From: Sixby
05-Mar-18
TG bow gets a very loud Amen. Humanism is anti - intellect. The wisdom of man being foolishness to God. I will take the wisdom from above and apply that to my life and to my children, who by the way have turned out to be wonderful human beings.

Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life. This is a very complete statement that leaves no room for anything else. Take God out of life, ban Him from school, remove Him from education and moral values and you have what? Kids that mass murder, people that proclaim perception is reality, teachers that believe its more important to brain wash than to provide a real education with brain growth.

God bless, Steve

From: Two Feathers
05-Mar-18
I'm going with ignorant and brainwashed.

From: Woods Walker
06-Mar-18
Regular or decaf? Priorities you know!

From: Annony Mouse
06-Mar-18
From: Will
06-Mar-18
Humanism = bad??? Seeking/seeing the good in people, recognizing the common needs and struggles of humanity that we all encounter and seeking rational solutions to those challenges is bad?

At the risk of being flamed, the only difference there between much of most religions and humanism is the rational solutions part. And there's nothing wrong with that. Faith is a big part - even for atheists (theirs is just in different forms vs focused on a higher power) - of being a human.

"Love thy neighbor", that's about the most Humanist of sayings going.

From: Annony Mouse
06-Mar-18
Gun Rights

From link:

Does that mean that this brilliant liberal wants…

– women to be banned from entering school and college campuses? (Heh. A woman free zone. – GOC)

– women to be banned from any establishment selling alcohol?

– women to be banned from polling places on election days (That would be the death of the Dimocrat Party – GOC)

– women to be banned from any official government group meetings?(No women in Congress – GOC)

– all women to be banned from all airports?

– you to have to pay a fee to the state before you can have a woman with you?

– some women to be banned outright simply because they look too scary?

– all women to be locked up at all times that they are not in use?

Hmmmm….

– Does she also think that all guys should have more than one?

– That all women should come with silencers?

– All women need to be cleaned and greased after each use, then put in a locked box?

From: TGbow
06-Mar-18
Shows how ignorant they are.

From: Woods Walker
06-Mar-18
Mouse: You forgot the NOISE SUPPRESSOR! ;-)

From: Sixby
06-Mar-18
It is a sad day in America when people think leaving God out of the equasion for success is the right answer. I wonder what you will say when you see Him face to face or will the smart mouth and critical thinking make Him disappear? God bless, Steve

From: 7mm08
07-Mar-18
I say a lot of both. Ever try to carry on a conversation with a lefty? It is almost impossible. They are on a whole different "wave length" and reason based on feelings... period. No synapse jumping going on in there. I sometimes wonder how they survive without drowning in a glass of water or bh forgetting to breath.

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