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Trump has clearly chosen to ignore the advice of Republican Congressman Trey Gowdy, who said, "When you are innocent... act like it."

So, exactly what is it Gowdy is trying to tell us? I think I know.

We're getting close to the end of this debacle.

He is right. Where have you been. Ref: Russian dossier, Sztrok/Page emails, Comey and McCabe leaks et al

This week he hires DiGenova and either Dowd or Cobb has said he is stepping down. Where was the fake news again?

Now it makes sense why Trump threatened to sue Stormy for $20 million for violating an NDA he had nothing to do with to keep her from talking about a relationship he never had with her. It was likely a shot across the bow aimed at the other women to try and keep them from going public.

Dumpster fire, indeed.

Need I mention again, that a sitting President needs to break Federal Law WHILE IN OFFICE to be impeached?

Good luck, dreamers!

Foxnews = FAKE NEWS and Brietbart, OAN, Et Al as well. There is zero "reality" that says "the news I agree with is more real than the news someone else agrees with". That's just confirmation bias. Least biased news - actual fact finding organizations like the AP or similar news agencies who's goal is just to report facts - not to add spin to things.

The frustrating part of all of this, to me at least, is that no real progress as a country can be made in this environment. Everyone gets all pissed about everything and no one is capable of putting personal agenda aside to seek answers which, long term, benefit everyone.

Fox news isn't that great either but at least they are closer to being balanced than the other sources.

You nailed it, Will.

On the other hand, the less they change the less they f-up. I've always been a fan of political stagnation, regardless of which side of the isle is in control.

For me, the bottom line on Trump is he's not acting like a innocent man. His tweets scream guilt and desperation to me.

Matt

I'm also a fan of the political stagnation. I used to hate it, but have realized that it actually keeps things centered and stable.

There was a great opinion piece in the WSJ that highlighted just how insane things have gotten over the last week -- the McCabe firing and him blaming it on Trump, not the OPR; rather than letting the dismissal speak for itself (ie, it was the OPR's doing, not his), Trump celebrating the firing and using it to attempt to discredit the Mueller investigation; a former chief intelligence officer then coming out intimating that the President will be destroyed based on yet to be disclosed information -- all of which have served to fan the flames of conspiracy taking hold on both sides of the aisle. The article closes with the following point, which, unfortunately, I agree with:

"The country should be waiting for the facts of the multiple investigations to come out and then make a political judgement. Instead the brawl over the 2016 election has become a blood feud in which the facts seem irrelevant. This is going to get a lot uglier before it's over."

It's his constant attempts to proclaim his innocence and undermine the Russian investigation on Twitter that raises skepticism in me. I think an innocent man would encourage an investigation to expose the truth and clear his name. Instead, Trump seems hell-bent on finding cause to fire Mueller and end the investigation.

Methinks he doth protest to much.

Matt

It would be nice to trust a fair investigation to play out, but with so much on the line would YOU quietly trust an investigation to be fair when its staffed with lawyers having a political bent against you, using wire taps and sources provided by the political opposiion, and FBI agents admittedly out to get you from the start? Mueller might be legit and fair. But the rest of the deck seems stacked and biased against Trump from the start.

Does anyone think McCabe didn't deserve to get thrown off the case and then fired? Is the Trump problem only talking too much and too loud about the truth and making things worse by style more than substance?

The stagnation thing is a good point GG, BEG (Ahh, I'd forgotten about Pizzagate :)). My dad used to say stalemates in government were good, and I'd get fired up talking about how we needed to do something. But the reality is that the majority of the time, slow thinking is better than fast. "We" just don't like it today because everything "should be instant". Having gridlock seems frustrating because not much changes... but that's a positive as well. I'd rather see 1 or 2 good changes come from a presidency than 50 junk ones - regardless of a D or R sitting in the oval office. (over simplified point there)

As for McCabe. I dont know. I know for sure he didnt spend 20 years building a career good enough to get to a high level in a major agency by planning a conspiracy to mess with the election of a president. Did he have something to do with a conspiracy like that in the last 2 years roughly, which has resulted in his firing now? None of us "really" know, because the only info we "really" have is talking points from whatever "side" we want to agree with. It seems he has to have done some good things to become a leader in the organization after 20 years, so firing the guy a few days from retirement seems odd to me. Again, all we have is talking points on this. None of us really know, so it's hard to understand it.

That said, regardless of legal issues... I do think President Trump talks via twitter to much. I think the substance often causes issues - because the communication often sounds like two 5 year olds who dont know how to get along on a playground. People can disagree with substance they dont like... But they go nuts when the style it's provided to them seems insulting or juvenile etc. Add the two together and it's just gas on fire.

It's comments like this that I flat-out don't understand from anyone who cares about America. Mueller has uncovered multiple crimes against the US and exposed an elaborate, sophisticated, and well-funded attempt by the Russians to influence our election. I really don't give a rat's ass if Trump is involved, or not. The investigation was necessary, IMO.

Matt

But instead, a special counsel was appointed to look for Collusion which does not exist and never has. And that idea may have come from a dossier that was 'planted/leaked' at the highest levels of DOJ for that very purpose. You don't find that troubling given what we know now about the dossier, how it was used to obtain a wiretap warrant, and the scheming we already know about by those FBI agents Paige and Strzok? And that is only the stuff we know about, which is already too much!

The investigation has always been about RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION and related matters. To that extent, the investigation has proven necessary, IMO.

Matt

Bowsniper,

No, a special counsel was not appointed to look for collusion. It can't be spelled out any more clearly in the order which appointed Robert Mueller. The Special Counsel was appointed "to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian govemment's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election." They were appointed so the FBI/DOJ could continue to do just what you said they should.

"You don't find that troubling given what we know now about the dossier"

What about the dossier is troubling? That it was a political hit-piece funded by (eventually) the Hillary campaign? If there are elements of it that implicate Trump or his administration/campaign in some way and they are corroborated by other intelligence or evidence -- no, that is not troubling to me.

What scheming are you talking about? There are certainly issues of bias related to Paige and Strzok and that needs to be appropriately contextualized. But that doesn't mean they were running some grand scheme to bring down Trump and doesn't necessarily preclude someone from doing their job.

"From the Nunes Memo, to the Graham/Grassely report, to the finalized Intel Report"

I love how you talk about this discounting of sources, JTV when all you ever do is prop up those that are incredibly partisan and dismiss all others.

About the dossier - you said with a big meaningless IF because there is no proof at all... "if there are elements of it that implicate Trump or his administration/campaign in some way and they are corroborated by other intelligence or evidence" BUT that is an assumption not based on any fact! Nothing in the dirty dossier implicates Trump in any crimes or collusion that has ever been corroborated by other US intelligence. They've had this dossier for years. Where is the crime with corroboration??

The FBI scheming - you have Paige and Strzok for certain looking to take down Trump and shield Hillary. Whose texts also reference an "insurance policy" at meetings in Andy's [McCabe - #2 in FBI] office. You have an FBI Director, Bruce Ohr whose wife was working directly for Fusion GPS and who had previously undisclosed meetings with both Steele and Simpson. You have the FBI Director [#1 man Comey] leaking to the newspapers about private meetings with the US President. So yeah, there is some shady stuff going on for those not deliberately looking in any other direction.

Does this mean Mueller can't do his job. No. I never said that. I want to have faith in Mueller. But he did hire all these people and this watergate style mess was happening on his watch with his people. I give Mueller credit for moving them off the team, but he didn't fire a single one of them, and he did put them on the team in the first place. There is reason for real concern. Especially if your last name rhymes with Chump!

The fact still remains that trump got to where we is by cheating and scamming. And look at his list of scams he’s perpetrated on America! A wall paid for by Mexico? Nope

Repealing Obama care and drafting something “superior”. Nope.

Bring back coal jobs? Nope.

Prosecute Hillary? Nope.

Give up his business ties? Nope.

Hiring investigator to ‘prove’ that Obama wasn’t born here? Never happened

When he contradicts himself or things he’s said, republicans are quick to defend it like hapless lambs before the slaughter. Why? He was a liberal until he was 65 or so. He took money from Soros. Gave money to Pelosi and Clinton’s. He ran a fraudulent University and was fined for it. Hell, he just praised the Clinton Foundation yesterday!

Still not convinced? Research Muellers past. Then ask yourself what is in his past that would lead you to believe he’s nefarious. Then research Trumps past. And ask yourself the same question.

But speaking of lies... Mueller is a Marine and if anyone asks, he didn't run the Crucible either. It just wasn't a part of boot camp when he went through. He wouldn't try to lie and imply that he did.

Boom!

My interpretation (opinions, right... just like rearward facing orifices, we all have them) was that the SI was looking for basically anything related to Russia and our election - including a foreign state doing anything to meddle (or in this case, really push) an agenda on our people. The screen shot above basically say's just that. Was the campaign involved? If not, GREAT. Then who helped the Russian's push agenda's on us - and likely continue to do so? Is there something that can some how be done to stop or drastically reduce that interference?

The opinion driven media has turned it into a pin him or not bunch of shenanigans. Which sucks, because WE all should know how much we were manipulated by a foreign country. I'd just like our leader to want that info as well, and to act FOR US on that info in a sensible way.

Tell me what was illegal how the FISA warrant was obtained? Haven't heard any court rule that was the case, despite what Breitbart says. Also, since you seem to know what information mattered in obtaining the warrant and must be privy to the FISA application, please let us know the false information that featured so prominently in getting surveillance approval? Or are you just opening your mouth on things you are out of your depth on again?

You are correct, Will. You can see the whole order in the link I posted order, not the parts taken out of context from BS's screenshot. The order is to investigate Russian interference, including whether there were any ties into the Trump campaign and also anything else that might arise from the investigation. Again, the alwaysTrumpers like to paint this investigation as a witch hunt against Trump. That is not the primary mission of the investigation.

Like you said, it's there or it isn't -- the order merely states that it is fair game -- as is anything else.

One must remember for the most part you are dealing with Obama's brown-shirt trolls spreading their claptrap on any and all internet sites.

That is exactly why nothing you say on this forum matters, not even a little bit. Because it is clear the facts to you don't matter. Neither does honesty. Your credibility ship sailed a long time ago.

From Fox News Insider: Trey Gowdy to Trump Lawyer: 'If POTUS Is Innocent, Act Like It'

3/9/2012 Reuters Staff

"WASHINGTON, March 9 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama called Russian President-elect Vladimir Putin on Friday to congratulate him on his election victory and the two discussed issues including Iran, Syria and missile defense, according to a White House statement.

Obama made “reset” of U.S. relations with Russia one of his top foreign policy priorities after taking office three years ago. He had a solid working relationship with departing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. "

(more at Link) Paulie quoted John McCain, oops, or maybe Maverick trolled him.