Spike Bull 's Link
I say again, we are systematically, incrementally, being invaded.
" Belgium: Islam party top dog says, “Our goal is a 100% Islamic State…establishing Sharia law”
Apr 6, 2018 9:41 am By Robert Spencer 14 Comments
For years, foes of mass Muslim migration into Europe have warned that establishing Sharia was the goal of that migration. For saying this, we have been excoriated as racist, bigoted “Islamophobes.” I suppose Redouane Ahrouch is a racist, bigoted, “Islamophobe” as well, eh?"
You have the freedom of worship in this country but the moment you engage in violent acts against US citizens you are a criminal/terrorist.
Is this a new group called the Islaminati?
K Cummings's Link
I'm just wondering what would happen if the Islamists and Illuminati joined forces? Throw in a few trillionaire pedophiles and we'd be history. The Islaminatiphiles would rule the world...and beyond.
Lots of people have plans for us that do not include our plans for us, and, as tonyo points out, we must stop them NOW for best results. We already have conclaves of islamists, who may or may not be legally voting and are aided by Demon commiEs, electing islamists to offices in this country. Ask Londanistan how that is working out for them.
"While professing unwavering faith in a transcendent deity, radical Islam is a militant, politically activist ideology whose ultimate goal is to create a worldwide community, or caliphate, of Muslim believers. Determined to achieve this new world order by any means necessary, including violence and mass murder, radical Islam is characterized by its contempt for the beliefs, practices, and symbols of other religious traditions. This intolerant creed is cited by Islamists as the philosophical justification for their terrorism." ...... http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/guideDesc.asp?catid=107&type=issue
Virtually every week, the CF is treated to links to articles, on questionable conspiracy theory, fake news, and satirical websites, suggesting that some new (or old) group is bent on world domination.
On the surface, it's comical. But when you realize that a certain segment of the population actually believes the crap posted on those websites...and they vote...it's scary. I am much more fearful of them than I am radical Islamists or the Illuminati taking over the world or worse yet, German submarines in the lakes that surround my state.
In a museum, yes. Careful though, next thing you know one of our illustrious conspiracy theorists (I won't mention any names ^^^^^) will probably treat us to a link that shows it was actually captured in Lake Michigan, carrying the contents of Al Capone's vault, while seeding Lake Michigan with billions of Asian carp fry.
Spike Bull 's Link
Or worse yet, the eGOP (whatever that is).
You can read about it here:
I have lived an adventurous and exciting life and still do!
I am pro-active and point out threats years ahead, and advocate handling them when they are small and manageable, not like you, who is probably best at showing up after the fact and making out reports.
Why don't you just for once in your super secretive life talk about some of your great adventures in life....... instead of surfing your whacked out right wing websites and then rushing over to the Bowsite to post your findings there.... You got a screw loose dude.
Reading and writing fiction can indeed be very adventurous and exciting to some. Some people actually act it out...that's when guys like you get involved.
"Hell, I'd rather have Spike here than PutZ or lefty .....
I'm not so sure about that JTV. In most cases, trolls don't actually believe the moronic nonsense they post.
I'm going to laugh my butt off if I ever find out that he really does have a doomsday bunker......
For the record, I think your aptitude is well suited to your job, a profession I admire, though I would never want to do it.
If you would look a little deeper you would see what others are seeing. Most of the stuff I bring here ends up being very important to us. Sometimes a week later, sometimes years later, but, sooner or later you will see.
Islamists are positioning for the installation of Sharia Law right here. I expect that all here would stand shoulder to shoulder to eliminate that problem if/when enough people realize, actually realize, that is really their goal and they have no intention of being disuaded.
Stopping it now would be much easier than stopping it later, but you dont care about that. You just cherish the excuse to laugh at me. That is very shortsighted and shallow.
Jeff.... I still find it interesting that you and Spike take regular pokes at the profession of the regular left winger here.... But the 2 of you absolutely refuse to say what you did or do for a living (Other than you were a Marine).......... I mean.... there's everything from financial consultants to carpenters and school janitors on the Bowsite.... What's the big deal ?? Why the anonymous "sniping" ??
How long after Pearl Harbor should we have been paranoid about the Japanese ???
You want to know what I do for a living? I wont tell you everything but will give you a choice of things to pick on!
Right out of college I worked for the state of Massachusetts, then I went to work in a machine shop running screw machines, then I made my living all across America and Europe jumping off of cliffs strapped to a hang glider, then I was production manager at a hang glider/ultralight airplane manufacturer, then I ran an airport in Illinois, then I ran an airport in Massachusetts, then I made $1200 a week with a network marketing company, then did construction work, then I worked as an onsight auditor in New England for Reynolds tobacco, then I owned four gyms, then I worked as head bow mechanic in the largest bow shop in Maine. Take your pick! Have fun with this!
I wont tell you what I do now because then I would have to neutralize you!
Yeah, I know, you dont believe me, who cares!
SB is either a Russian troll or a useful idiot. It actually doesn’t matter which since SB’s posts are indistinguible from RA employees in terms of volume, type, and sourcing. If he’s in St. Petersburg, he’s getting paid. If he’s in New Hampshire, he’s an idiot.
LHCA calling ME an idiot!!!!!!!!!
God this place is fun!
A couple of bitter old men that live for the next conspiracy theory. Unicorns are more fun and just as real as the bunk you two post on a regular basis. Useful idiots is the perfect description of you two.
Blart and a freak in his bunker. You two are a pair.
I said you don't fit in here..... Any more than a vagina hat wearing protester....... The majority here are much more tolerant of far right wing nuts than they are of far left wing nuts.....
Sadly, some people have literally become the thing they claim to despise most BB.
They rant and rave about the idiotic and patently false things the demon commies believe in, then they turn around do the same thing.
They ridicule the radical leftists for believing and disseminating fake news, then they turn around and do the exact same thing.
They ridicule news sources for only giving a leftist viewpoint, then they ridicule others for NOT doing the same on the right.
They claim they want fair and balanced reporting, then they demand the ouster of anyone that doesn't carry the mail for the right.
That would depend on your vantage point I guess.
again do you or do you not believe that the Radical Islamists want a new world caliphate with Sharia law at its head .... yes or no ..... this is a simple question ... answer it !!
K Cummings's Link
From what I hear, the Islaminatiphile headquarters is actually in Hamtramck.
KPC, for someone who thinks he's a brainiac, your really ignorant as shit ...
"your really ignorant as shit ..."
How rich is that?
I'm really starting to think you are just as paranoid as Spike Bull.......
all it takes is one ....
sure, they can claim that crap as it goes right into their recruitment efforts even if it is false.... are you people really this ignorant on the threats that are out there ... really ? ....
no wonder this country is at risk, your mentality is the same that allowed the Twin Towers to be brought down..."nothing to see here, move along"... with the wave of their hand ...pfffft !
and here at one time I thought that you BB had some common sense... one of the few times Ive been wrong on here...
Risk of a Caliphate....... ?? Our government being overthrown by radical Islamic terrorists????? PLEASE........ Get back into your bunker with ol Spikey.......
Wait, wait, isn't kpc's entire post about an author?
PutZ, more lies! Your original post was not only under a fake name but was an all out attack on almost everyone here! It was only after months, if not years, of repeated attacks from dozens of your fake registrations, which earned you the Nick name Sybil, that people here researched who you really were and exposed you!
I will not allow you to rewrite history, Demon commiE LIAR!
Spike Bull 's Link
99.99999% of the country goes through the day without even seeing or interacting with a Muslim but they’re somehow going to overthrow our government, Constitution, and institute their law??
I feel bad that y’all live with such an irrational fear. No wonder y’all are so bitter and confrontational - if I really believed the crap that y’all do I’d probably have the same outlook on life.
the Dems deny there is trouble on the border, some deny the existential threat to the fabric of this country by Radical Islamists..... many deny there isnt a threat to the 2A and firearm ownership from the Dems/left ....hell, some of these even vote for the same politicians who want this to happen..... many walk around with their heads up their asses, which we see on here ...... yup, it is a sad world we now live in ...
btw BB, many of "those sites" have more information and common sense than you will ever have .... even many of the MSM news sites have put out some great articles on the threat of Sharia and Radical Islam ..... I guess in your limited view of the world and teachings, if you dont agree with it or make sense of it, it falls into the whackamole category .... there are many scholars and educators and even politicians out there that have much much better "credentials" and education than you, KPC and others on here that realize the threats of Radical Islam and the on going threats they present .....
Nor do I intend to. Your question is irrelevant to the point I happened to be making.
We continue to kill Radical Islamic Terrorists.... as we should.........
I'm way more leery of the vagina hat wearing Americans who likely will be in charge of our Government..........
Your last link says the ISIS dream of a caliphate is over, so what's next........
So radical Islamic terrorists had a dream of a Caliphate..... but it didn't work out for them......Wow!! What a shocker...!! They weren't able to make a one world government????
They have about as much chance of doing that as a bunch of skinheads have of making our society segregated again in the US...........
You wonder where my head is at Jeff ???? I pretty much know where yours is at. You hate all Muslims. Same as Spike Bull. You fear that the 3 million Muslim American Citizens are going to rise up against our Government.... joining hands with ISIS,,, And overthrow our Government.....
But not in your lifetime....... maybe a hundred to 200 years from now........
They are, however, colonizing areas and electing government officials who, statistically, will favor sharia when the time is right. What is it about incrementalism that makes you guys go so bonkers? The handwriting is on the wall, some people's normalcy bias is so strong they can't see reality.
And after a couple hundred posts....... You say..... Nobody said we are in immediate danger of Islamists overthrowing the Government...........
So what the hell is the point of your thread ??? Why do you spend endless hours day after day searching sites like creepingsharia.whackos ??? Why are you so obsessed with this if you admit that they aren't a threat to overthrow our government???
We are still at war with ISIS.... we're killing them when we find them........
I'm done with this thread..... I'll live my life without worrying about Sharia law taking over America..... I'll leave that up to you two.
Lol...The only guys going bonkers over incrementalism are you and JTV. The rate at which Muslims are immigrating to this country it will take a thousand years before they ever approach the numbers to alter our government, if they ever do. But you know what? Over time, they’ll become more and more American and less Muslim. Your fears are totally unfounded. And if they do overtake the country in a 1,000 years? So what. History is full of one group of people displacing another. If America becomes the new home of the caliphate, well then I can promise you the idea of America will go on somewhere else. What a non-issue to spend so much time worrying about.
if you think for one second the fight against these radical ideologies is finished, you are more ignorant than what you already appear ..... yes, we will continue to fight against them when and where ever they raise their heads, at least with Trump in there we will continue to see it happen... get another Dem in there, another "Obama" esp. with a full dem led congress and all will be for naught ..... you and others like you to put it very bluntly are ignorant dumb asses.... it is attitudes and thinking like yours that allowed Hitler to come into power and to allow these radicals get a foot hold .... these radicals look well into the future, not just a year or two down the line ... and here you are 'meh', if they over take this country so be it... this is why you and others like you are so screwed in the head ...
For a minute my guess was that you worked for Homeland Security........ But then..... anyone who cares for their government job wouldn't be on line expressing his hatred towards an entire religion...... So I change my guess to self employed.......
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I can debunk that statement with two words, "Patriot Act".
It only took 5 terrorists flying planes into the World Trade Center to cause our Republic and Constitution to be instantly altered by Congress.
Three more words for ya, "FISA Court abuses."
Says the guy who repeatedly insists that he will no longer respond to the poster he calls "PutZ" (and implores everyone else to do the same), yet repeatedly gets goaded into doing just that...often in the same thread.
You seem to confuse a "dodge" with the discipline to avoid getting goaded into playing someone else's game.
"thanks for playing ..."
The only ones being played here are you and a few others that continually allow themselves to be suckered by the trolls who take great pleasure in playing you like a Blue Marlin on light tackle.
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January 3, 2018 This book includes a detailed discussion, each organized in a similar manner, of the cases that have come to light of Islamist extremist terrorism since 9/11, whether based in the United States or abroad, in which the United States itself has been, or apparently has been, targeted. It mostly springs from papers generated in honors seminars I conducted at Ohio State University. Interns at the Cato Institute have also contributed case studies. I have added an introduction as well as a headnote for each case. Since we plan to update, revise, and correct, and then to re-post from time to time, each case study and each headnote is dated and carries its own individual pagination.— John Mueller The full 1051-page book can be accessed in pdf (13 MB) by clicking here. The book is also available in printed form from The Educational Publisher https://edupublisher.com Information: Bob Sims at firstname.lastname@example.org
The Cases Cases that have come to light of Islamist extremist terrorism since 9/11, whether based in the United States or abroad, in which the United States itself has been, or apparently has been, targeted
The cases are arrayed below. There are studies for those with underlined titles. Click on separate file to access the individual case as an independent pdf file.
Case types An Islamist extremist conspiracy or connection that, in the view of the authorities, might eventually develop into a plot to commit violence in the United States An Islamist extremist terrorist plot to commit violence in the United States, no matter how embryonic, that is disrupted but not by infiltrating a police operative into the plot An Islamist extremist plot to commit violence in the United States that is essentially created or facilitated in a major way by the authorities by infiltrating a police operative into the plot and then arresting the plotters when enough evidence is accumulated An Islamist extremist terrorist or terrorist group that actually reaches the stage of committing, or trying to commit, violence in the United States
Case number, title, type, year, description, author for full case studies
Introduction—John Mueller separate file
The shoe bomber 4 2001 A British man tries to blow up a US-bound airliner with explosives in his shoes but is subdued by passengers and crew—Jolie Yang separate file
Padilla 1 2002 An American connected to al-Qaeda, who had discussed a dirty bomb attack, returns to the US and is arrested— Allison Barbo separate file
Mt. Rushmore 3 2002 Two men in Florida, one of them possibly connected to an al-Qaeda operative, plot, crucially aided by an informant, to bomb local targets as well as Mt. Rushmore before 9/11, and are arrested and tried the year after.
El Al at LAX 4 2002 A depressed anti-Israel Egyptian national shoots and kills two at the El Al ticket counter at Los Angeles airport in an act later considered to be one of terrorism, and then is killed by a guard—Zachary Zaerr separate file
Lackawanna 1 2002 Seven Americans in Lackawanna, NY, are induced to travel to an al-Qaeda training camp, but six return disillusioned, all before 9/11, and are arrested the next year for providing support to the group—Blaise Katter separate file
Kahn and the Parachas 2 2003 A young Pakistani seeks to help an al-Qaeda operative enter the country to attack underground storage tanks at gas stations—Alexander Hitchcock separate file
Abu Ali in Saudi Arabia 2 2003 A US citizen joins a terrorist cell in Saudi Arabia and plots to hijack a plane in the US and to assassinate President Bush when he is arrested by the Saudis and extradited to the US for trial—Leigh Stephens separate file
Columbus and the Brooklyn Bridge 2 2003 An American connected to al-Qaeda discusses shooting up a shopping mall in Columbus, Ohio, with two friends, then scouts taking down the Brooklyn Bridge for al-Qaeda, but decides it’s too difficult— Drew Herrick separate file
Barot and the financial buildings 2 2004 Group in London tied to al-Qaeda scouts out financial buildings in the US with an eye to bombing them, but never gets to the issue of explosives— Tessa Reinhart separate file
Albany 3 2004 Two men in Albany, NY, effectively help fund an informant's terror plot—Michael Spinosi separate file
Nettles 3 2004 An American with a long history of criminal and mental problems plots under the nickname of "Ben Laden" to blow up a federal courthouse in Chicago and reaches out for help to a Middle Eastern terrorist group, but gets the FBI—Rachel Cohen separate file
Herald Square 3 2004 Loud-mouthed jihadist in New York and a schizophrenic friend attract informant who helps them lay plans to bomb Herald Square subway station—Surili Sheth separate file
12a Nashville 3 2004 An immigrant from Iraq, 33, angry about American policy in Iraq, declares he is “going Jihad,” planning to blow up something probably in Nashville, and is arrested when he pays an FBI operative $1000 for, and takes possession of, two disassembled machine guns, four disassembled hand grenades, and hundreds of rounds of ammunition in the parking lot of a Krispy Kreme doughnut shop.
Grecula 3 2005 An American with visions of being an modern day Spartacus agrees to build a bomb to be exploded in the US for undercover agents claiming to be al-Qaeda—Todd Ives separate file
Lodi 1 2005 An American in Lodi, California, who may have attended a training camp in Pakistan but with no apparent plan to commit violence is arrested with the aid of an informant— Andrew Ashbrook separate file
JIS 2 2005 American in jail masterminds a plot by three others to shoot up military recruitment centers, synagogues, and a non-existent military base in the Los Angeles area but, although close to their first attack, the plans are disrupted when they leave a cell phone behind at a funds-raising robbery—Demetrius Daniels-Hill separate file
Pipelines and the terrorist hunter 3 2005 An American offers on the internet to blow up pipelines in Canada as an aid to al-Qaeda, and attracts the attention of free-lance informant— Shannon Buckner separate file
U of North Carolina 4 2006 To punish the US government for actions around the world, a former student, after failing to go abroad to fight or to join the Air Force so he could drop a nuclear bomb on Washington, drives a rented SUV onto campus to run over as many Americans as possible and manages to injure nine—Andrew Braun separate file
17a Target surveillance in Washington, DC 2 2006 Two men hailing from South Asia, 21 and 19, apparently linked to Lashkar e-Taiba, a Pakistani terrorist group, make videos, later sending them to an international terrorist contact in London, of potential targets in the Washington, DC, area including the Capitol, the headquarters of the World Bank, a Masonic Temple, and a group of large fuel storage tanks.
Hudson River tunnels 2 2006 Angered by the US invasion of Iraq, several men plot on the internet to flood railway tunnels under the Hudson river, but are arrested overseas before acquiring bomb materials, before meeting each other in person, and before setting foot in the US—Zachary Karabatak separate file
Sears Tower 3 2006 Seven men in Miami plot with an informant, whom they claim they were trying to con, to take down the Sears Tower in Chicago, then focus on closer buildings—Lauren Brady separate file
Bombing transatlantic airliners 2 2006 A small group in London, under intense police surveillance from the beginning, plots to explode liquid bombs on US-bound airliners—Tyler Puhl separate file
Rockford Mall 3 2006 Loud mouthed jihadist attracts the attention of an informant and together they plot exploding grenades at a shopping mall in Rockford, IL—David Bernstein separate file
Fort Dix 3 2007 A small group target practices, buys guns, and plots to attack Ft. Dix, NJ, with the aid of an informant who joins the group when the FBI is told they took a jihadist video into a shop to be duplicated—Jovan Galevski separate file
JFK airport 3 2007 A small group, with informant, plots to blow up fuel lines serving JFK airport in New York—Bryan Staub separate file
Vinas 2 2008 A New York man travels to Pakistan, is accepted into al-Qaeda, and plots to plant a bomb in the US, but is being watched and talks after being arrested—David Dawson separate file
Bronx synagogues 3 2009 Four men, with crucial aid from an informant, plot to bomb synagogues in Bronx, NY, and shoot down a plane at a military base—David Bernstein separate file Little Rock 4 2009 An American man travels to Middle East to get training, but fails, and on his return, working as a lone wolf, he eventually shoots and kills one soldier at a military recruitment center in Little Rock, AK—Michael Coleman separate file
Boyd and Quantico 3 2009 A complicated conspiracy in North Carolina including an informant, gathers weapons and may have targeted Quantico Marine Base—Kelly Stritzinger separate file
Zazi 2 2009 An Afghan-American and two friends travel to Pakistan to join the Taliban, but are recruited by al-Qaeda to plant bombs on New York subways instead, and are under surveillance throughout—Justin Heilmann separate file
Springfield 3 2009 A loud mouthed jihadist plots, with informants, to set off a bomb in Springfield, IL—Ronald Lieberman separate file
Dallas skyscraper 3 2009 A Jordanian on a student visa rouses interest from the FBI in internet postings and, together with three agents, tries to detonate a fake bomb in the basement of a Dallas skyscraper—Lauren Brady separate file
Mehanna 2 2009 A well-educated Muslim jihadist may have plotted briefly to shoot up a shopping center in the Boston area and tried to join an insurgency in the Middle East, but is arrested for spreading jihadist propaganda—Malgorzata Mrozek separate file Killings at Fort Hood 4 2009 Military psychiatrist, acting as a lone wolf, shoots up a military deployment center in Ft. Hood, TX, killing 12 soldiers and one civilian, shortly before he is supposed to be deployed to the war in Afghanistan—Taylor Schmaltz separate file
The underwear bomber 4 2009 A Nigerian man tries to blow up a US-bound airliner with explosives in his underwear but is subdued by passengers and crew—Matthew Spade separate file
Times Square 4 2010 A Pakistani-American gets training in Pakistan and on his own tries, but fails, to set off a car bomb at Times Square in New York—David Tan separate file
Alaska 3 2010 A Muslim convert in a remote Alaska town plots the assassination of 20 with the aid of an informant. separate file
Parcel bombs on cargo planes 2 2010 An effort by al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula to set off parcel bombs implanted in printer cartridges on cargo planes bound for the United States is disrupted by an insider—Ruxton McClure separate file
DC Metro—bomb plot 3 2010 A Pakistani-American aids FBI operatives posing as al-Qaeda in a plot to bomb the DC Metro—Chad Chessin separate file
Oregon 3 2010 A teenaged Somali-American jihadist, unable to go abroad to fight, works with FBI operatives, apparently alerted by his father, to set off a van bomb at a Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Portland, Oregon—David Bernstein separate file
DC Metro—Facebook 2 2010 A Virginia man brags without substance to a female Facebook correspondent that he will bomb the Washington Metro soon, and is quickly arrested for making interstate threats, receiving a light sentence—Lauren Brady separate file
Baltimore 3 2010 A Baltimore man seeks allies on Facebook for violent jihad, and the FBI supplies him with an informant and with a fake SUV bomb with which he tries to blow up a military recruitment center—Lauren Brady separate file
Texas 2 2011 A Saudi student in Texas, flunking out and displaying intense new discontent on his blog and Facebook profile, is arrested after buying bomb-making materials and considering potential targets including crowded streets in distant New York and a local residence of former President George W. Bush—David Bernstein separate file
Manhattan’s pair of lone wolves 3 2011 Upset with how the US treats Muslims around the world, a mentally ill American citizen, with an accomplice and an undercover officer, purchases weapons as the first step in a plot to blow up synagogues, the Empire State Building, and other targets in New York and New Jersey. separate file
Pentagon shooter 24 2011 A US marine reservist with jihadist literature shoots at military buildings in the DC area and is arrested as he seeks to desecrate the graves of veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—Andrew Braun separate file
Seattle 3 2011 Two financially-destitute men, exercised over US foreign policy, are arrested in Seattle after they purchase an FBI-supplied machine gun that they plan to use to attack a military recruiting center after they save up enough money to purchase bullets and other material. separate file
Abdo 2 2011 A US Army Private, unwilling to wage war on Muslims, is arrested after he buys ammunition and bomb materials to explode in a restaurant popular with soldiers—Nicole Spaetzel separate file
Model planes 3 2011 Seeking to “decapitate” the US “military center,” a mentally-ill hobbyist plots with police operatives to attack the Pentagon with remote-controlled model planes bearing explosives and then to shoot at people as they flee the building—Ruxton McClure separate file
Iran and Scarface 3 2011 An Iranian-American used-car salesman from Texas, nicknamed “Scarface” from the results of an earlier street brawl, is engaged for a promised $1.5 million by members of the Iranian government to arrange for a Mexican drug cartel to blow up Saudi Arabia's ambassador in a Washington restaurant but is foiled by an undercover Drug Enforcement Agency operative who is wired $100,000 as a down payment—Zachary Zaerr separate file
Pimentel’s pipe bomb 3 2011 A naturalized US citizen and Muslim convert, hostile to US military ventures in the Middle East, seeks to make pipe bombs using match heads to attack various targets. separate file
Tampa 3 2012 Under suspicion after he walked into a store seeking to purchase an al-Qaeda flag, an Albanian-American loner plots in Tampa with a police operative to detonate a car bomb, fire an assault rifle, wear an explosive belt, take hostages, and bomb nightclubs, a police center, several bridges, and a Starbuck’s coffee shop in order to avenge wrongs against Muslims and to bring terror to his “victims’ hearts”—Nicole Spaetzel separate file
Capitol bomber 3 2012 A Moroccan man who had overstayed his visa for years and had been thrown out of his apartment for non-payment of rent, concludes that the war on terror is a war on Muslims, plots with FBI operatives, and is arrested as he seeks to carry out a suicide bombing at the Capitol—Zachary Karabatak separate file
Chicago bar 3 2012 Drawn by the violent jihadist emails and internet postings composed by an unemployed and apparently retarded 18-year-old Egyptian-American who felt the US was at war with Islam, FBI agents gain his confidence, supply him with a fake bomb which he parks outside a Chicago bar he said was filled with “the evilest people,” and then arrest him when he attempts to detonate it from a nearby alley— Rachel Cohen separate file
Bombing the Federal Reserve Bank 3 2012 A college flunk- out from Bangladesh uses his parents’ life-savings to study in the US and reaches out on Facebook, obtains the help of the FBI to do something that will “shake the whole country,” and is arrested when he tries to set off an FBI-supplied bomb planted at the Federal Reserve Bank building in New York from a nearby hotel room—Todd Ives separate file
The brothers plot 2 2012 Two brothers in Florida plot to set off a bomb in New York in revenge for US drone attacks in Afghanistan, but are arrested before getting very far beyond bicycling around Manhattan looking for targets Oazi November
53a Car bomb at an Oakland bank 3 2013 A mentally disturbed US citizen, 28, in sympathy with the Taliban, tries to set off a car bomb supplied to him by the FBI in front of a bank in Oakland, California, in hopes that the explosion would be blamed on antigovernment militias and prompt a crackdown that would touch off a civil war.
Boston Marathon 4 2013 Two Chechen-American brothers, working alone, detonate two homemade bombs in a crowd at the Boston marathon, killing three, and then are killed or captured a few days later after an exhaustive and dramatic manhunt—Chad Chessin separate file
54a Uzbek bomb plot in Boise 3 2013 A refugee from Uzbekistan gathers materials for a potential bombing of a military base or of a July 4 celebration in Boise, Idaho.
Wichita airport 3 2013 A worker at the Wichita, Kansas, airport plots with FBI agents to detonate a car bomb at dawn at the airport—Niko Pittore separate file Rochester 3 2014 A pizza shop owner in Rochester, in vocal sympathy with Islamic State on social media who had been asked to leave three Mosques for his radical views, seeks to recruit for the group and plots with FBI operatives to shoot and kill returning members of the U.S. military.
Killings in Seattle and New Jersey 4 2014 Apparently motivated by hostility to American foreign policy, a man murders three in Washington state and is captured later when he kills another in New Jersey—Alex Iammarino separate file
New York axe attack 4 2014 An unemployed recluse and devotee of ISIS and other terrorist groups with a multiple arrest record, 22, attacks four police officers with an axe in Queens, New York, and is shot dead in an altercation that takes seven seconds.
Cincinnati 3 2015 A young local loner, in sympathy with ISIS, plots with FBI operatives to set off a bomb at the Capitol in Washington, DC—Cassandra Dula separate file
59a Carolina 2 2015 Two men, one a teen, plan to rob a gun shop, attack a North Carolina military base, then go to the Middle East to join ISIS.
Ohio returnee from Syria 2 2015 A Somali-American, actively communicating about his plans with friends on social media, travels to the Middle East, stays about a month, receives some training from and al-Qaeda affiliate, returns, and, as urged by a cleric he met in Syria, may have planned to commit violence—Maria Chabali separate file
Aurora 3 2015 Unable to travel abroad to fight with ISIS because of a felony conviction for trying to rob a McDonalds, an Illinois man, 23, plots with a cousin, 30, and with FBI operatives to “unleash the lion” by attacking a local National Guard Armory.
Two women in Queens 3 2015 Protesting that “It’s war” and “Protest don’t work” and “Why can’t we be some real bad bitches?” two women, one in communication with al-Qaeda in Yemen, try to fabricate bombs with the aid of an undercover officer.
Miami 3 2015 Posting sympathies to ISIS on Facebook, a Florida man is arrested after he seeks to buy arms and ammunition (with plans to emboss “ISIS” on the shell casings) from an FBI operative.
Fort Riley 3 2015 A young man enthusing on Facebook about being killed in jihad, plots with FBI operatives to explode a 1000-pound bomb at a nearby military base—Alex Rhodes separate file
Shootings at Cartoon Contest in Garland, Texas 4 2015 Two men with very limited connections to ISIS and other terrorist groups drive from Phoenix to Garland, Texas, wearing body armor and carrying six guns, open fire at an anti-Islamist exhibit, and are gunned down in 15 seconds by a traffic officer armed only with a handgun and then killed by a SWAT team— Sam Zacher separate file Abdulkader in Cincinnati 3 2015 Yearning to join ISIS in Syria, a 21-year-old in Cincinnati attracts the attention of the FBI by Tweeting nearly daily about his admiration for the group and about his enthusiasm for beheadings, and then plots with an FBI operative and with an ISIS cybercoach to kill a soldier and to raid a police station.
New England 4 2015 Three ISIS-inspired men variously plot to carry out terrorist attacks, and one, saying he couldn’t wait any longer and has decided to “go after” the “boys in blue” instead, attempts to stab a police officer in Boston and is shot dead.
Attempted stabbing of an FBI agent in New York 4 2015 Three ISIS-inspired men in the New York area variously plot attacks, and one tries to stab an FBI agent searching his home.
Al-Ghazi in Ohio 3 2015 A drug dealer and convicted felon becomes attracted to ISIS, pledges affiliation, creates propaganda videos for the group, seeks to recruit others to the cause on social media, gets in contact with someone he thinks is an encouraging ISIS member overseas (but is actually an FBI operative), appears to express a desire to commit a terrorist attack, and is arrested when he purchases an AK-47 from an FBI operative.
Sullivan 3 2015 Tipped off by his stepfather, the FBI puts an operative on, and eventually arrests, an unstable 19-year-old man in North Carolina with a yearning to kill hundreds of people on behalf of ISIS and who had previously robbed and killed a neighbor apparently to get money for weapons. separate file
Ciccolo 3 2015 Turned in by his father, a Boston police captain, a man who advertised his desire to join ISIS on social media and had a long history of mental illness plans to attack a university cafeteria deemed to be “very sinful” and is arrested when an undercover agent supplies him with weapons—Maria Chabali separate file
Chattanooga 4 2015 A mentally-ill man with no known terrorist connections, but who possessed some jihadist literature and whose life was on a downward spiral, kills five military personnel in Tennessee and then is killed in a shoot-out with police—Niko Pittore separate file
Suarez and Key West 3 2015 After capturing the attention of the FBI with some Facebook posts (including beheading videos), a Florida man, 25, who considers himself to be a member of ISIS and expects the group soon to come to the US to fight, scripts and records a recruitment video for ISIS and plots with some FBI operatives to detonate a buried timer bomb at a Key West beach but is arrested when he takes possession of a bomb created for the purpose by the FBI.
73a Bombs and a Papal assassination attempt in Philadelphia 3 2015 A 15-year-old who had spent a considerable amount of time in a mental hospital puts together ISIS-inspired plots to set off bombs across Philadelphia and also to assassinate the Pope on a visit to the city, but the sniper he seeks to hire is an FBI operative.
UC Merced 4 2015 After visiting ISIS websites and after being kicked out of a study group, a student at the University of California, Merced, stabs four people on campus and then is killed by police—Niko Pittore separate file
Akron 2 2015 An ardent ISIS supporter in Akron, Ohio, 24 years old, is arrested for solicitation to commit violent crime when he posts “kill lists” on social media, comprised of the names and addresses of 100 military people he thinks should be killed, and declares that he would be proud when he sheds American blood.
San Bernardino 4 2015 A husband and wife, professing loyalty to ISIS, fire guns at a holiday party, killing 14, and then are killed in a battle with police in a subsequent chase—Alex Iammarino separate file
ISIS fund transfer 2 2015 A Baltimore man, tracked for months, is arrested when he receives at least $8700 from Islamic State operatives in Egypt to fund a terrorist attack in the US, although he claims he was merely seeking to scam the money from the group.
Rochester panhandler 3 2015 Deemed an “aggressive panhandler” by a local restaurant/bar owner, a mentally-unstable man, part of a four-man terrorist cell or cluster (the other three are FBI operatives), becomes “ready to give up everything” to join ISIS in Syria and, to show ISIS that he is serious, plots to attack the restaurant/bar with a machete that one of the FBI operatives purchases for him at Walmart—Cassandra Dula separate file
78a Houston mall 3 2016 An Iraqi refugee in Texas, 24, confides to an FBI operative that he would like to join ISIS and plots to bomb a Houston shopping mall.
Philadelphia 4 2016 A man, 30, attempts to kill a Philadelphia police officer with a stolen handgun and says, “I pledge my allegiance to the Islamic State, and that’s why I did what I did.”
Masonic temple in Milwaukee 3 2016 A fitness trainer and US citizen in Milwaukee, 23, abandoning plans to kill Israelis in the West Bank as impractical, plots with two FBI operatives to shoot up a local Masonic temple (“if this hit is executed, it will be known all over the world…If I got out after killing thirty people, I will be....100% happy, because these 30 will terrify the world. The mother fuckers will know that nobody can play with Muslims”), and is arrested after FBI operatives sell him fully automatic weapons and one silencer.
Detroit church 3 2016 A US-born citizen, 21, makes increasingly violent statements on Twitter about conducting an attack on behalf of ISIS and, after communicating with an FBI operative, focuses on a Detroit church and then is arrested for possession of a firearm by an unlawful user of a controlled substance and is sentenced to 5 years. Franey in Montesano 3 2016 A vocal ISIS supporter in Montesano, Washington, 34, accepts guns for a potential attack from an FBI operative.
Ranting in Minnesota 2 2016 A 23-year-old Minnesota man, in contact with ISIS members in Syria, is arrested for communicating threats by saying during a drunken rant that he was going to “kill everyone” at a local Walgreens, but is ultimately charged only with falsely telling the FBI that the contacts had ended.
Bombings and shootings in New York 3 2016 Three men abroad, one of them an orthopedic surgeon in the Philippines, plot with an FBI informant to shoot up and detonate bombs in New York City in support of ISIS.
Florida synagogue 3 2016 A U.S.-born convert to Islam, aged 40, with mental health problems (including a cyst in his brain) plots to bomb a synagogue in Florida, crediting the deed to ISIS following an FBI informant’s suggestion and inspiring other Muslims (“It’s a war, man, and like it’s time to strike back here in America”), but is arrested when he buys the requisite explosive from the operative and attempts to place in near the synagogue.
Orlando 4 2016 A gunman trained in the use of firearms, professing allegiance to ISIS and that demanding US airstrikes be halted in the Middle East, kills 49 at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, and is killed by police after a three-hour standoff—Alex Rhodes separate file Gregerson in Michigan 3 2016 Following a tip that he is amassing an arsenal, the FBI investigates a U.S.-born Muslim convert, 29, in Michigan, a vocal ISIS sympathizer who “fantasizes” about committing terrorism, and arrests him when he buys explosives from an FBI operative.
Phoenix 3 2016 An 18 year old Arizona man, mentally-ill, corresponds with a federal agent he believes to be an ISIS fighter about attacking a motor vehicle office in Phoenix.
Former national guardsman in Virginia 3 2016 A former national guardsman in Virginia, 27, hooks up with an ISIS cybercoach in Libya who then inadvertently connects him with an FBI informant, and the three begin to plot to kill a couple of soldiers in the United States, following this up with a larger ISIS attack.
Wehelie 3 2016 A Virginia man, arrested and charged with illegal gun possession, gets a long sentence because he made “dangerous statements” to an FBI operatives about how he would love to join ISIS abroad but would settle for attacking a U.S. military recruitment station.
Recruiter for an ISIS attack in North Carolina 3 2016 A North Carolina man seeks to recruit people over social media, including an undercover FBI agent, to carry out ISIS attacks in the United States.
Roanoke 4 2016 A man, apparently inspired by ISIS and possibly mentally ill, attacks two people with a knife after hearing voices in Roanoke, Virginia.
Southern Illinois 1 2016 An 18-year old with a history of mental illness who once used a rock to scratch a pickup truck is charged with making a verbal threat to commit a “mass casualty event” and providing material support to a terrorist organization.
Minnesota mall stabbings 4 2016 An unassuming Somali- American student and part-time security guard, with little evidence of terrorist intent (but afterwards proclaimed a “soldier” by ISIS), goes on a stabbing spree, injuring ten people in a shopping mall in St. Cloud, Minnesota, before being killed by an off-duty police officer—Niko Pittore separate file
Chelsea bomber 4 2016 A 28-year-old Afghan-American, apparently inspired by al-Qaeda, plants several homemade bombs in the New York area, two of which explode, killing no one, and the bombmaker is later arrested after a shootout with police—Niko Pittore separate file
ISIS assassination plot in Maryland 3 2016 A legal permanent resident who came to the US from Bangladesh at the age of three (and was now 24), expresses support on social media for ISIS and then enthusiastically plots (“That’s like my goal in life”) with an FBI operative to murder a US military member on an ISIS hit list (they gathered 100 rounds of ammunition for the job) under the belief, suggested by the operative, that they would receive $80,000 from ISIS for the venture.
Houston 3 2016 A 24-year-old Iraqi refugee who wants to join ISIS, plots with an FBI informant to set off bombs at two Houston shopping malls.
Bomb plot in an Arizona prison 2 2016 Following a tip, police disrupt a plot by a 38-year old Muslim convert, ISIS supporter, and lifer at an Arizona prison to use “radicalized materials” and bombmaking information mailed to him by his wife to murder the warden or blow up a vending machine in the visitors section.
Indiana 3 2016 An Indiana man, 30, communicates with police operatives indicating that he wants to join ISIS and sends information about making and using explosives.
Oakland 3 2016 A man in California, 22, opens social media accounts for ISIS and plots attacks with FBI operatives.
Garbage truck at Times Square 3 2016 A 37-year-old Yemen-born Uber driver in Brooklyn avidly supports ISIS on Facebook, tries and fails to join the group, and then discusses driving a garbage truck into a crowd at Times Square with an FBI informant he met through his Facebook posts.
Ohio State University 4 2016 A Somali refugee, a student at Ohio State, apparently outraged at the persecution of Muslims around the world particularly in Burma, injures thirteen people by driving his car into a crowd on campus and by leaping from the car and stabbing at people with a butcher knife and then is shot dead by a campus police officer—Niko Pittore separate file Thompson in Arizona 2 2016 A 30 year old felon in Arizona who nearly two years earlier may have tried to buy a pistol online, is arrested after he conducts hundreds of suspicious Google searches and posts on social media such comments as “Islamic State is officially in America. The war has begun” and “Right, we need to get down with this ISIS shit.”
Suffolk 3 2016 After the FBI is informed that a Suffolk, Virginia, man, 26, had voiced support for ISIS on his Facebook page and had purchased an AK-47 rifle, they have an agent contact him posing as an ISIS member and arrest him after he requests ammunition, gives the agent $250 to support the terrorist group, and says he is ready to “go forth.”
Denver killing 4 2017 A former Army sergeant and martial arts instructor, 37, about whose apparent radicalism police had been warned more than once by the Muslim community, abruptly shoots and kills a transit officer and is apprehended shortly thereafter without further incident by the police.
ISIS supporter in Missouri 3 2017. A Missouri man plots to bomb Kansas City in collaboration with FBI agents who pose as ISIS members and who had been alerted by his social media posts supporting violent jihad.
Lepsky of New Jersey 2 2017 After police responded to what they called an “incident” taking place in a Point Pleasant, NJ, home in which a 20-year-old man had stabbed the family’s dog because it was “dirty” in the view of Islam and was apparently going to do the same to his mother, they discovered that the man was an ISIS supporter who was planning to create and detonate a pressure cooker bomb in New York City “to kill as many people as possible” and to die in the process.
Threats in North Carolina 2 2017 Garrett Grimsley, 27, is charged with making online threats “in interstate commerce” to “non-Muslims,” and a subsequent search of his apartment uncovers an assault rifle and 340 bullets while discovering that he had been reading an ISIS magazine—though Grimsley said he only was looking at the pictures.
Calloway in DC 3 2017 A felon and former Marine, 38, who advertises his admiration for ISIS on Facebook (complete with flag) and discusses with an FBI operative the killing of DC police officers (but not ones who are Muslim) and the need to prepare for a “race war” against whites, is arrested when he buys an AK-47 rifle and ammunition from the informant.
Surveilling for Hizballah 2 2017. Two men, one from New York City and one from Dearborn, Michigan, both naturalized citizens, are arrested for being undercover agents for Hizballah, surveilling potential targets in the United States and in the Panama Canal zone and for “possessing extensive bomb making training.”
Alabama 2 2017 A Huntsville man, 22, who swore allegiance to ISIS and may have been planning to bomb a public building, is arrested by local police, following a tip, for soliciting or providing support for terrorism. Ftouhi in Flint 4 2017 A 49-year-old Tunisian-Canadian comes to Flint, Michigan, attempts to stab a police officer at the airport and, after being taken into custody, explains, “You have killed people in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and we are all going to die.”
Casey Spain 3 2017 A Virginia felon, who had himself tattooed in prison with “Cop Killa” on his face and an ISIS flag on his back and who talks repeatedly to fellow inmates of working for ISIS, is arrested 20 days after his release when an FBI operative sells him a handgun.
Shopping Mall in Miami 3 2017 A Florida man records pro-ISIS videos and works with FBI operatives to build a bomb to be detonated in the food court of the Sweetwater mall in Miami.
Truck attack on Manhattan bike path 4 2017 A Florida man, originally from Uzbekistan and vowing allegiance to ISIS, plows a rented truck down a bike path in Manhattan, killing 8, and then, armed with toy guns, is shot and subdued by police.
Homemade bomb in New York pedestrian tunnel 4 2017 A 2011 immigrant from Bangladesh, 27, angered by US foreign policy and inspired by ISIS, detonates a crude strapped-on pipe bomb in a pedestrian tunnel in New York, suffering burns and cuts himself and inflicting minor injuries on three others.
San Francisco 3 2017. A depressed tow-truck driver who completed basic training in the Marines, advertises his ISIS sympathies online noting, in particular, that he “loved” an ISIS poster showing Santa Claus in New York with a box of dynamite over the caption, “We meet at Christmas in New York . . . soon,” and is arrested when he considers, but then apparently abandons, a suicide plan to shoot up and perhaps bomb a popular tourist attraction in San Francisco on Christmas in coordination with the other members of his cell, all of whom are FBI operatives.
There are also two case studies concerning efforts by Islamist extremists to go abroad to inflict damage on US interests there:
998 New York Stock Exchange 2010 Three men seek to join the fight against the US in the Middle East and find a couple of operatives in Yemen who agree to help them (and after being arrested, identity them), but only after the men send over tens of thousands of dollars and case the New York Stock Exchange for a possible attack—Jake A. Douglas separate file
999 Toledo 2006 Three men in Toledo, OH, seek to join the fight against the US in the Middle East but fail to get in while attracting the attention of an informant who trains them— Meagan Woodall separate file
"One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory."
Oh. Wait a minute. There might be a goal. And those vagina hat wearing leftist nut jobs seem to be all about virtue signaling and cheering for the inclusion and diversity of those who reject their values. Let's bring in millions! What could go wrong?
While we're at it, we can actively recruit more groups whose ideology runs counter to our own. Too bad the Khmer Rouge and Nazis are harder to find these days.
But my opinion doesn't have as much value. It is only based upon anecdotal evidence. You know, personal experience living amongst them and actually interacting with them in the South of France, North Africa, Turkey... East of the Bosporus.
For example, I don't hate copperhead snakes. But I don't want them in my basement either.
I believe in modern times more people have died in Virginia due to Islam, than copperheads.
The only thing I'm still confused about is whether the Illuminati is in control of the radical Islamists, the radical Islamists are in control of the Illuminati, or if they have actually joined forces to create a super race in order to achieve world domination.
Either way, I know for a FACT that the takeover is being funded by George Soros, the CCC, and a few other pedophile trillionaires, and in conjunction with Snopes, they have convinced most of the world that's it's not even happening.
Only a few enlightened people are even aware of the group's existence, and most if not all post on the Bowsite CF, which appears to be the command center for the resistance.
Infowars is clear on this or did you miss the latest installment of “we’re nuts but we think we have a firm grasp on things”.
Stepping out to cash my Soros checks now.
Does that mean there are no radical Islamists left in the world? No. Does that mean they won't try again? No. Does that mean we can stop being vigilant and should stop taking the fight to them? No.
It also doesn't mean that they are a threat to overthrow our laws and institute theirs. A handful of attacks from lone wolf style attackers each year is not something to lose sleep over. Our institutions aren't under any serious threat. Your health and safety is more threatened by falling TVs than by radical Islam (look it up).
I'll stop calling it hate. But what I'll say is the fear coming from some of you on here is disproportionately out of line with the threat to whatever it is you hold dear that you feel is at risk, be it your culture, your institutions, or your safety.
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Well, you sure seemed to forget how our Republic and Constitution was affected immediately by just a handful. You didn't even man up and admit you were dead wrong on that one.
Let me remind you again, since you have already forgotten since I posted it the first time; Patriot Act.
Again, Bigeasygator, more people have died in Virginia from Islamists than copperhead bites in my lifetime. I am not scared of copperheads, I just choose not to let them into my home due to the potential and documented instances of violence copperheads do. ( yes, I have captured several on my property )
I can drive 35 miles north of my home and go to a Mosque that preaches Jihad and hate towards Americans. Yes, right here in River City, VA.
Bury your head if ya want, I choose not to.
"Does that mean we can stop being vigilant and should stop taking the fight to them? No."
But that same guy wants to complain when we are being vigilant!
How does that make any sense to anyone except those suffering from a mental disorder like liberalism?
"Does that mean there are no radical Islamists left in the world? No. Does that mean they won't try again? No. Does that mean we can stop being vigilant and should stop taking the fight to them? No
Vigilant, yes. Paranoid, no. It would appear that some are incapable of differentiating between the two.
They are not the only occupiers though. In this country today a more immediate problem is anyone here illegally. Not only occupiers, but invaders.
Luckily, Islamic fundamentalists are anti-science troglodytes that will never pose an existential threat to the United States. Even their worst attacks have been less damaging to us than some of the damage we do to ourselves every year through drinking, fighting, and just falling down.
The most dangerous thing we could do as a country is react like a hysterical bunch of pillow chewing nancy boys. Trax, JTV, SB, Tonyo, et al. Grow a set and focus on what's in front of you instead of another bizarre threat that is about as likely as a horsefly breaking your windshield and taking out your eye. We are the United States of America. They are a bunch of turds clinging to a primitive religion and a caliphate that that exists only in their minds........and apparently yours.
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I figure that you must know since you got your head buried so far in the sand . . . . .
Most others, heads up their asses!
(Edit: Many others,....)
Look in the mirror, fool!
Don't let the keyboard bravado stuff bother you. In my opinion, people who engage in that type of stuff do so because they have very little power or influence in their real lives, therefore they attempt to exert whatever they can online.
Ironically, it can actually be symptomatic of the paranoid personality disorder.
Thank you for the compliment JTV, it is much appreciated. I have to give you credit for your ability to recognize our respective roles in the environment that is the CF.
Exposing and eliminating the rotting, stinking, disease laden drivel the some posters leave laying around here is indeed a dirty job, but someone has to do it.
Yep, you just can't fix stupid!
Sometimes all you can do is just shake your head.
Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your viewpoint) for the vulture, there seems to be a never ending supply of intellectual carrion.
Excellent tantrum Maxine. I can see Spike has once again caught himself the same fat slimy pontificating fish. (sorry Slade I couldn't resist).
Yes I'll admit I have the same fault. If we were all perfect. We would have no need for visiting the CF.
I guess I gave you too much credit JTV. A number of us are joking but apparently you (and a couple others) can't see that the joke is on you.
This is true. Henry was the number one name. There were roughly 3,000 babies born in the St. Cloud area in 2017 - sixteen of them (or roughly .5%) were named Mohammed.
What does that say about population trends?
Future voting trends?
Please try not to be willfully ignorant and discuss the most likely trends realistically.
It only took 19 terrorists to knock down the Twin Towers and fly into the Pentagon.......... Sheeesh.
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Turning the clock back a bit, it also only took 1 suicide terrorist to drive into a Marine compound in Beirut in 1983 and kill 283 Marines when he blew his bus up.
Umm....Spike, that link doesn't even support your argument. It clearly states Islamic migration to Germany fell drastically from 2016 to 2017, while migration from Poland, Romania, and Bulgaria rose.
That said, there clearly is a desire to do "us" harm via extremist groups. On that we can all agree. Based on that info above, we have just as much to fear from domestic citizen based groups vs ISIS - at least on a daily basis.
The risk of Islamist extremism is commensurate with the risks of other forms of “terror.”
I'm betting they had the same discussion in Great Briton and France among others not long ago...... likely to the word.....
"Islamist's are coming!"
"No they are not.... nothing to worry about.... good folks, we need more like em..... you're just crazy and paranoid...."
That's working out very well isn't it...... and pretty clear as to who it was that really had their head...... in the sand shall we say.....
We have the actions and results already proving themselves right now..... as it happens, right in front of our faces if we were so inclined to actually look. It is nearly the same situations. Yet so many say "nawww, it could never happen here.... we're different...." Or completely ignore it, not happening where I live so won't effect me.....
I believe a good many policies, immigration as well as citizenship (voting) need to be looked at. As well as making sure Sharia has no place in any judicial/government system within the US. Any authorities, judges, LEOs that do use it or defer to it need to be replaced.
If it is nuclear war you are worried about then I guess it doesn’t really matter how big our military is now does it. We are all screwed.
Isn’t the constitution already in place to prevent sharia...or any other religion from being a national? I’m not worried about that.
I just don’t see an “occupying force” as a legit concern for today. I don’t think our security agencies do either and they have all the info. I don’t see how we will ever prevent all terroist attacks. Terrorism is a legit concern but not so much that I’m going to hole up in some bunker.
Good discussion here. Thanks for not just throwing insults cause I don’t agree.
There were a few more attacks by Islamic Extremists than by non islamic american citizens. If you pull out 9/11 and OKC, the non Islamic american citizens created a higher death toll than the Islamists. The article makes it clear that BOTH groups are legit threats to our security... But certainly presents data that suggests we have just about as much to worry about from locals as we do Islamists.
Look, I'm not trying to be a lefty pot stirring jerk. I'm finding busy debate on Bowsite fun, and enlightening. If you read the article - look at the data. It's interesting for sure. Fine, snopes may be left leaning. If that means it's not allowed on the CF, perhaps we should immediately assume anything from Foxnews, Brietbart, et al are absolutely not real and not worth viewing either. Each of those is solidly, to extremely right biased. So they can not possibly be presenting legitimate information either - since any degree of bias seems to suggest falsehood?
Look, it's a different view. read it, decide you dont like the data and stick to your belief's or change. All good. Use YOUR BS filter to cut bias off and look at the data.
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I'm with you, there is a clear danger there, that article clearly describes that given the stat's show how close those groups come. Heck, you could say it's more alarming since the home grown stuff had multiple sources, while the non home grown attacks were largely Islamic groups. My interpretation of the data there, is that if we laser focus on extreme Islam, we are going to miss a lot of dangerous folks percolating here.
Is it Muslims, or folks from countries that have a high/er Muslim population that are being brought here? Was it you PigDoc who noted St. Cloud? I dont remember... Regardless, when at my Mother in Law's in St. Paul it was (she just moved to Lake Shore) very clear the rate of Somali refugee's that were being brought in. Often groups would work to bringing them here, then all forms of support would go away - pretty brutal for all. Folks in the group trying to help, but running out of $... And folks from Somalia thinking they are about to make a living in the land of gold and honey only to figure out that you can be poor and have big issues here too.
They have already stated their goals and the methods they will use to achieve them. One can ignore all that and tell themselves (and others) it will never happen. Or a person can look up out of their lap and watch it as it is happening overseas before your eyes. Going exactly to plan.
9/11? Yeah I'd say a great many have forgotten. What, 17 years ago? I'm guessing some here weren't even popping zits yet back then. But if nothing changes that really will be like it never happened..... Obama and his Muslim Brotherhood already have set Iran on their path to nukes.
But no worries...... never happen..... that's as crazy as thinking a couple or four airliners will take out the twin towers, whack the pentagon, and take a shot at the capitol at any second.... stupid conspiracy theories....
Oh yeah? Where in Europe?
Those forecasts of Muslim population growth are so fraught with ridiculous assumptions it’s not even funny. For a balanced, reasonable analysis, look at the Pew Center’s work (some of which is summarized in the attached Guardian link). You’ll see that there’s no country in Western Europe expected to have a Muslim population of over 11% of the total in the next dozen years. History has shown that these individuals will start looking more European, not vice versa.
Play games, make fun. The people being killed by knives, trucks, bombs as well as assaulted and raped in European countries may not find it so funny. If you were to have a Jewish bakery for instance in Europe..... guess you must sleep well at night.....
Seeing how you do not live in that.... guess it makes no difference.... none at all.....
I visited London about a week after the Burrough market attack and before we left I can’t tell you how many times I heard “you’re actually going to go?” I was having dinner with a friend in Edinburgh and I relayed this to him and he was basically shocked that it was getting so much attention and publicity stateside.
I think the best analogue for how they treat iterror events is basically how we treat mass shootings. We’re all saddened and outraged, but beyond prompting some folks to get their concealed carry permit, for the most part folks go right back to living with nothing changing and few lingering fears. We go right back in movie theaters and to concerts and hardly give a second thought to becoming the next victim of a mass shooter (which, in my opinion, is the appropriate response). This is how the bulk of the Europeans I’ve talked to respond to Islamist terror.
Maybe it’s because they do have higher Muslim populations over there and they recognize that 99.99999% of them are peaceful citizens, just like we view 99.99999% of white males as responsible citizens and we don’t get too worked up when a crazy one does something terrible.
Trust would be a better description.
But today I serve alongside Muslim American Police Officers. They too are my brothers. They risk their lives every day to protect America. They are no more responsible for 9/11 than you are....... and they are no more likely to commit a terrorist attack than you or I...........
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Hell, the Soros-Democrats are already doing that without a third agenda joining in!
Do you spend as much time worrying about home grown American terrorists ??
Your article also said that 75% of the Muslims interviewed worldwide said that religious extremism such as suicide bombings are never justified. Your article once again failed to clarify the Muslim Americans stance on this. I would bet it's closer to 100% ..... The 25% who believe in that stuff are going to be found in countries like Afghanistan.......
He's the guy who saved Marcus Luttrell from the Taliban.
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Some of you whacked out right wing nut jobs are just too much for me. I refuse to live my life like you with the constant thoughts of negativity in your heads. I'm done wasting my time and energy here.... It is completely pointless.......
I've read that statement before. Time will tell.
Oh come on BB, don't let them run you off...that's exactly what they want.
I made the determination some time ago that some people simply aren't capable of having a rational discussion, therefore I stopped responding to them all together.
You'd be surprised how liberating that is.
Ignorance is not bliss and the wise are informed and not afraid of being informed. If anyone on here is so ignorant of the goal of Islamist and how they are working for Allah to accomplish that goal then they should not be so arrogant but should actually investigate Islam and find out what it really is. God bless, Steve
More brilliant bullshat from the holier-than-thou! You feel highly liberated all right, to make up stuff about others CFers!
I do not want BB to leave or I would have said so.
YOU, however, can feel free to exit whenever you get the urge!
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The huge number of crimes committed with the deadly, sword-like weapons means there is an average of 15 a day in the UK, or one every 90 minutes.
That type of reprehensible behavior certainly isn't unique to radical Muslims.
...or WIN one.
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Link is pointing out the incremental invasion wherein our country will be changed for the worse if not stopped.
So that makes it OK? This thread is about Muslims not fan riots. Start your own fan riot thread if you think it's that important.
These same critical clowns would also be posting pictures of the same groups rioting and burning cars due to a preceded religious offence as when one of their progressive minions under the disguise of ART displayed one of their religious bigoted pictures etc..
In what language is "reprehensible" OK?
No, I said that type of behavior is not unique to one specific group. Try as you might, your insinuations didn't work on the Catholic priest thread and it won't work here.
This thread is about whatever it evolves into...just like any other. When a person starts a thread about one group trying to take over the world, it is totally on topic to compare and contrast that to other groups who have similar goals and engage in similar behavior. Whether you like that or not is of no consequence to me.
Wait, weren't you and your friend arguing that Islam isn't really a religion but a political ideology just a few months ago. If that's the case, how is it different than what BLM is doing?
An no, Pic Doc...that doesn't make either of them "OK."
"Pull your pants up pontificator, your disingenuous nature is bleeding thru .
Actually, what it has turned into for some is the same name calling and personal attacks that usually happen when they can't intelligently support an argument.
Socrates was right:
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."
No KPC, they are not the same.
I see a lot of similarities between radical Islamists and radical BLMers, radical pro lifers, radical earth firsters, radical right wingers, radical left wingers, radical anything. It's just that one has had a lot more practice.
- claiming your average punkassed street rioters "want to take over the world" and comparing them to radical islamists taking their violence to the streets is akin to mental retardation.
You and BEG both, take a stand and argue it just for the sake of arguing, shape shifting the debate to fit your opinion. It's no wonder you guys don't see any new faces around here. By the way BEG, nice photoshop.
Sporting event riots are just stupid but may be seeded with astroturf incentives to get them going. Additionally, a little alcohol makes the flames burn hotter.
Whether any of that includes the Muslim movement is still an enigma as they have a 1400 year long history of overpowering other countries and the koran includes instructions on how, which they are observing. Check my last link.
Please remember that their is not necessarily ONE guy or group trying to take us on at any given time. It is likely there are more, all at the same time.
However, I started this thread to talk about the islamists infiltrating OUR country. The method and execution thusfar should be evident to anyone with two brain cells.
Rub yours together a little bit and see if that sinks in Cardinal KPC!
In a period of two weeks earlier this year, five explosions took place in the country. It’s not unusual these days — Swedes have grown accustomed to headlines of violent crime, witness intimidation and gangland executions."
Because rioters here in America are known for their "violent crime, witness intimidation and gangland executions."
I'm wrong all the time, and have no problem admitting it when I am.
Having said that, if you think BLM, Greenpeace, MS-13 or any of the other militant organizations are just " your average punkassed street rioters," you're being naïve.
Nobody that I'm aware of ever said that radical Islam is not a problem, and shouldn't be dealt with quickly and harshly. Please don't play the all or nothing game. You can think radical Islam is a real problem, and at the same time not think they are going to take over the world. I'm just not fearful of them doing that, regardless of what their goals might be. The goal of most Christians is to one day have everyone accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and that isn't going to happen either.
The only point I was trying to make is that for some, it's always something. Whether it's the "Muzzies," the Illuminati, the Rothschild's, the "Clinton Crime Cartel," the "eGOP" (whatever that is), the "Soros-demons," George Soros himself, the trillionaire pedophiles, the globalists, the "One World Order" Big Pharma, the "gun grabbers" and the list goes on, and on. and on.
You can call it living with rose colored glasses, but I refuse to wake up every day in fear of the next boogie man that shows up on my fake news feed.
Ummmm...apparently we have grown accustomed to it, only here in America we call that "Chicago."
As to BLM, it doesn't say much for your opinion of their cause if you're lumping them in with muslim extremism. Good topic for a new thread though, is BLM as a whole militant and comparable to muslim extremism as you have above? The topic is about muslim extremists isn't it?
My opinion of them is the same. Believing in Islam is fine. When it turns to violence and killing those that don't agree, it's not fine. Believing that BLM is fine. When it turns to violence and the belief that black lives matter more than other lives, it's not fine. Being pro-life is fine. When it turns to violence and bombing abortion clinics, it's not fine.
I see a difference between them, other's do not. You don't have to agree with me, that's fine.
I flat refuse to do business with them and spend my money else where.
In my opinion, to suggest that comparing them makes one or both OK, or that one is any better or worse than the other is either disingenuous or just plain ignorant. I doubt that the victims of a radical Islamic attack, eco-terrorism, an abortion clinic bombing, a militia group bombing, or an MS-13 killing make any such distinctions.
Schools across Sweden have increased security, including hiring security guards, after a rise in violence towards teachers. According to a new survey, 70 per cent of Swedish municipalities have installed security cameras and hired security guards as teachers are finding themselves increasingly threatened by both their students as well as parents, Swedish broadcaster SVT reports.
Sabina Bellanius, a teacher at a school in the heavily migrant populated city of Malmö and the city’s Ombudsman’s Teachers’ Association head, said: “It’s abusive discrimination, psychological and physical violence. I have a colleague that tried to separate a brawl but got his knee knocked out and today lives on cortisone injections.”
But then you accuse those concerned about the proliferation of this behavior as being "paranoid".
Or, you can keep believe everything you read on creepingsharia.com. One is paranoid, one isn’t.
Not all. Just the few that carry it to the extreme. Those who buy into every single conspiracy theory and fake crisis that comes across their news feed. Some have a basis in reality and some are just bat sh*t crazy. The same people ironically, that you have accused of doing the same regarding a different crisis du jour.
There are very few people on the CF, including myself, that aren't "concerned about the proliferation of this behavior." Just like we are concerned about the proliferation of all violent, extremist behavior. Heck, I'm "concerned" about a lot of things, like people that shoot up concerts, schools, theatres, and YouTube facilities, and people who execute cops and, getting sucked out of a airplane window, and even priests who sexually abuse children. I just try to keep them in proper perspective.
@YouTube removed video of Islamic Republi morality police violence against a women who was savagely beaten up 4 “inappropriate hijab.— Ahmad Batebi (@radiojibi) April 20, 2018
Congratulations for YouTube & Ayatollahs partnership.
Welcome to club #AyatollahYoutube pic.twitter.com/mYVdSWqveN
That's for sure. The list of individuals and groups that threaten violence in order to advance an agenda is a long one.
Also in the headlines...
"MS-13 Threatens to Kill Cops"
"Student with 'no friends' threatens to shoot up high school"
"Eco-terrorist attacks on energy infrastructure on tap for 2018"
"Department of Homeland Security Warns of Eco-Terrorism Threats on Pipeline"
"The Next Wave of Extremists Will Be Green"
Militant environmentalism is coming. And we aren’t ready for it."
"Abortion Clinics Report Threats of Violence on the Rise"
"Threats against abortion clinics have reached 20-year high
...and we probably shouldn't forget Tay-Tay and her friends.
"Taylor Swift & Celeb Friends: Cops Investigating Twitter Death Threats"
Sounds like YOU are the one that needs help, Cardinal KPC!!!
In your zeal to refute everything I post and make your next childish, vulgar meme, it's a shame you missed that I was agreeing with you.
"and still some remain blind to the threats out there .."
"That's for sure. The list of individuals and groups that threaten violence in order to advance an agenda is a long one."
Socrates was a very bright man, and he didn't even have the internet.
I can't help but wonder what had a more lasting effect on the economy, the attack itself or the trillions of dollars we borrowed in order to fight a politically correct war, on multiple fronts. The markets have all recovered...and then some. Our national debt, and the burden on every American...not so much.
Or as I mentioned earlier, what do you think had more of a financial affect on the American people. The 9/11 attack or the eco-terrorist greenies and everyone that buckles to their demands and junk science?
I don't know the answers to these questions, I'm just asking.
Really? Why don't you show how intelligent you are and show me one thing that I have posted on this thread (other than the obviously satirical posts) that is factually incorrect. Just cut and paste it and I will be glad to discuss it with you, intelligently and in an adult manner.
Instead of just insulting people personally, why don't you take issue with what you know to be incorrect, and make your case.
I'll be waiting.
But the petty attacks on KPC are wearing awful thin.
Don't sweat it BK. Anyone of any consequence see the posts for what they are.
JTV’s opinion of me is not important, and I’ll let others decide if his vulgar, sophomoric memes and posts are of any value to this forum.
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Here is some fresh information from yet another voice which explains the scope of the invasion.
Why don't you discuss it instead of using this thread, and most others, to assassinate characters you dislike here.
As far as schluffing anyone off, I told certain posters well over a year ago that I would never respond to them again. I haven't nor will I, in spite of their repeated attempts to goad me into it.
Unlike some, when I say that I mean it. You should try it.
God bless, Steve
I couldn't agree more.
Within the rules of the site, everyone has the right to opine on whatever they find important, interesting, or topical.
In addition, everyone also has the right to challenge, reject, dismiss or ignore anything that has been posted. That's the way the CF works.
No one should expect that anything they post will be universally accepted, respected, or free from scrutiny.
However, calling people childish names, using profanity, and posting vulgar memes whenever they post anything is not the way adults debate, not to mention it is against the rules of the site.
Therefore, you might want to step up your game.
If every thread must descend into something akin to old ladies swinging purses at each other, please make an effort to be more entertaining and witty with your barbs and insults.
"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go." -- Oscar Wilde
Cardinal KPC, "I told certain posters well over a year ago that I would never respond to them again. I haven't nor will I, in spite of their repeated attempts to goad me into it. ", incorrect, at best, flat out lie at worst.
Just because you never use my name does not mean that your posts are not aimed at me and everyone here realizes that.
Talk about childish!
And you call that sticking to your promises! What strong character! I am so impressed!
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Yep, that's a whopper there.
More fundamentally, I also agree that it's a reprehensible for a religious majority to discriminate against a religious minority that only represents about 1.5% of the population of a given country. Nice to see you're coming around, Spike.
Only if you don't understand the English language. Responding to someone, and talking to someone else about something that was posted are completely different things.
Nice try though.
PS: In case you weren't aware, this post is an example of a response to you.
Oh, yeah,anyway, and all that, this is not about a religion, it is about a system of government hiding behind a wrap of religion, using religious fervor to manipulate people to do their dirty work without regard for their sacrifices.
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False. Nice try though.
Police: "Why'd you do it?"
Perp: "For Allah the merciless!"
Police: "What was you motivation?"
Perp: "I keel for Allah!"
Police: "Come on, what's your motivation?"
Perp: "Read the unholy Qur'an!"
Police: "No, your REAL motivation."
Perp: "Sharia will conquer! ???? ??? ????!!"
Final ""Pontifcating Critical Thought Police"" Report:
Nothing useful learned from suspect. Motive unknown. Just another everyday mow them down sidewalk killing.
Toronto police chief has announced that this latest attack is indeed the "straw that broke the camel's back." Sharia Law is now in effect in the entire country of Canada. All pork and pork products within the confines of the 10 provinces must be disposed of immediately. Toronto hospitals are flooded with non Muslim women seeking their required female genital mutilation. Stock in Schick, Gillette, and Norelco plummet.
Experts agree that the "Muzzies" are one or two terrorists attacks away from completing their caliphate and taking over the entire planet.
""At this time, officials have not determined a motive for the horrific crash. But U.S. law enforcement officials told CBS News that the incident appeared to be a deliberate act. Bill Bratton, a former New York City police commissioner, told MSNBC that his sources said that driver was known to police. Toronto police spokeswoman Meaghan Gray said, “At this point it’s too early to tell what if any motive there was.”
Jonathan Dienst from NBC News reported that three officials were saying the leading theory for today’s horrific crash was mental illness.""
btw, now 10 dead
It wasn't intended to be funny JTV, it was intended to illustrate the absurdity of the notion that radical Islam is going to take over the world...regardless of what their goal might be.
"Argumentum ad absurdum"... google it.
It is quite adult sleepy.
Anyone that reads anything other than creepingsharia.com and infowars.com would know that.
It's quite childish KPC. Critical thinking fail. Never make fun of a situation where innocent people have murdered.
Well now, either you were living up to your screen name by sleeping through the patently absurd post by your buddy slade, the one I was deriding, or your outrage is very selective. I suspect it's a combination of both, but at least you are consistent.
If there was one turd in the middle of an 80 acre field, you'd surly find a way to step in it.