“Ignore” feature would be so much better. I find myself seeing a certain few names, and it’s end of discussion and more often then not I just leave the site.
TOT= Thread Owner Tools. Its a way for the thread owner to "censor" disruptive behavior. For example. If some on this thread were to bully someone or hijack the thread, the thread owner can delete the disruptor's post.
I will agree that some rules should be established beyond dissenting opinion.
OP should have the right to delete the known trolls posts. We all know most will not ignore posting against the trolls posts. And it just goes on and on.
I'm ambivalent. Proper use of TOTs could improve the tenor here, but overuse has its own problems. I simply ignore the nonsensical posts and don't reply to them.
For what it's worth, Pat, I'd suggest you go with whichever program requires less babysitting on your part. I'm grateful for the free platform and hope that it continues in perpetuity.
When TOT's were originally set-up I believe the removed posts went to the editors and were reviewed for the appropriateness of the action. I also recall there being a warning about misuse of TOT's could result in the thread owner who abused them potentially getting booted, at least short term.
If this is the policy I can't object to it in practicality; in principal it's a different story however. As a few have alluded to the simplest remedy is to ignore the posters who are obviously just trolling. In a nutshell they are the epitome of the narcissist; desperate for attention and reveling in each and every drop, regardless of how negative.
Consider the likelihood of anyone who would engage in this type of childish behavior ever being dissuaded by any form of rebuke or insult; it should be intuitive that the effort is wasted and only exacerbates the problem.
To be clear I I do not, nor have I ever considered someone a troll for posting a "dissenting opinion". Honest dissent on my part is always welcome and provides a much broader experience to share/exchange viewpoints. Regurgitated talking points from either extreme political pole are not honest dissent; they are a blatant effort to provoke and those who exist solely to post such offerings are beneath contempt.
To equate that type of output with "honest dissent" is insulting to anyone with at least a room temperature IQ and is the height of cowardice.
What has to stop is treating those with honestly arrived at differing viewpoints with the same level of contempt; we are all big enough to have disagreements; we are all better than what is displayed at times.
If you feel you have a valid point, make it. If you are compelled by principle(s) to make a stand, make it. I will have your back and you will have my respect regardless of whether we agree or disagree.
y f IMposter. Yet another dumba$$ reply. I agree with slade, imagine you asking about the definition of a Troll. Just look at the picture of you that JTV puts on here, a picture of a Troll, along with the definition.
I don't think so Pat. Just because yfp has a different view doesn't make him a troll. Is he a PITA? Absolutely, however he just brings garbage he hears from CNN/MSNBC to this board. We have a few others here with a liberal slant to them and as long as they are constructive in conveying their feelings I have no problem with it. The only thing that bothers me is all the fake registrations he has made and nothing has been done about it which is clearly a violation of the rules here. To be honest, I'm surprised nobody here has stopped by his school and confronted him.
"Good grief, according to who, you?" I don't give a $hit who does it KPC. A LIE is a LIE. Either you have the balls to declare it, or not. You seem to want to that prick, no matter what. So i will have to say that we can't trust you to find out about some idiot on here that LIES 99% of the time. I have even quit responding to the idiot for two weeks. After two weeks, he was on here twice as bad, so you can take your,"Don't feed the troll" logic, and shove it. It doesn't work, especially after thirty some fake registrations. I will continue to expose this moron, every chance i get. I remember you sent me a PM telling me about something he said, that i didn't see. I appreciated that, but now you are backing the prick. So, if i were you, i wouldn't waste time talking to me or about me, because i don't have a problem telling you to ---- off. Plain and simple.
WOW KPC. Is that all you got? I can't believe you aren't arguing with someone all day because his black isn't the right color of black, that you think it should be. Then let it carry on into the evening. You and atheist are two peas in a pod. You belong to each other. 8^)
Add bathroom passes and hall monitors. At least until some folks grow up and quit crying about sticks and stones. Why does something have to change every time someone gets their panties in a wad?
Yeahhhhh..... no, given all that already just in this thread.
In theory they would add some civility to it all..... if folks had some moderation and common sense in their use..... but if that were the case they wouldn't be needed at all....
In reality some would just see it as their own personal hammer and all the world as nails...... then more bitchin' starts and MORE threads started entirely about how unfair it was to be censored...... etc. etc. etc.....
No not really. I was thinking in more the terms LHCA graces us with from time to time. I normally refer to him as LHDA. Nobody is perfect, especially me. I try to be aware that many others may read our comments that never post here. Some may be of younger age. Bentstick used the effort to get his point across without the correct spelling. It didn't bother me.
I start very few threads so TOTs would not be used by me. It’s not hard to skip over the posts you don’t want to read. YFP does Troll a lot of threads. However I very rarely skip over his posts.
Yes, I am not thin skinned, don't often start a thread, but when I do and it ends up off subject and a trainwreck I would like to get it back on track.
Every thread or response I’ve had has been thoughtful and more importantly represented my personal thoughts. I’ve defended myself vociferously and yet I’ve maintained my composure never insulting anyone unless they fired the first shot. I think that’s fair. And again my use of an AKA was a direct result of people googling my name, address and place of employment with the sole purpose of harassment, hate mail and anonymous phone calls to my employer. I think that was more than justified. Now, some are even suggesting visiting me at work. Nothing creepy about that huh Chuckster? Better yet why not my home where I’m much more prepared to defend myself and my home? But let’s not go there, shall we? Again, people here claim that I’m the troll when I’m fact I’m voicing a different thought and opinion. Nothing more or less. Further, I’ve proven time and time again that I am indeed a Marine Corps Veteran and a proud one at that. Why would you suggest censoring me again? Incidentally and if you’re keeping count, the majority seems to be against TOT’s. Which means the rational folks outweigh the snowflakes.
y f IMposter. You claim to be the victim. You are nothing more than a LYING, PHONY, FRAUD. While you were telling us all LIES about how you present yourself, you forgot the most important and the only HONEST description. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A LIAR!!! Since you didn't have the balls to say it, i just did for you. Once again, soros is getting ripped off by having you push his agenda. He would've been better off getting a post, to do his agenda, than you. No guts either.
You want the ability to censor people and remove them from arguing with you. You’re the snowflake here. Consider that before you say anything else embarrassing Jeffrey.
y f IMposter. I don't want the TOT's. I like exposing you to any new comers. It would be bad for you if they had the, LIE twice, your gone. You wouldn't last one thread. If you would use your COMPREHENSION skills, you would see that i stated any one could ID a LIE, not just me. One thing for sure, i could pick you out easily. YOU are the one that's EMBARRASSING himself. You hang yourself daily, and you are just too stupid to see it. Don't worry, i will be here to remind you. 8^)))
Do you need a safe space too Lou? maybe a quite place to weep because the bad people keep saying things that make your head hurt? you have got to be kidding me!
Blow it out your rear liar. Your presence here is a lie because YOU promised that when Trump won you'd leave the CF. You didn't. Nothing you say has any credibility whatsoever.
Goodness Pat, you opened up a big can of squirmy worms didn't you? ;)
As far as TOT goes, they could be a good thing if used properly. Problem is last time it wasn't long before most misused them rather than use them. Maybe I would have too but what few times I do start a post, there are so few responses it wouldn't matter, (I am not really a boring person am I?).
Anyway, I remember when we could report a post if it was vulgar, had foul language, or was otherwise inappropriate. I used it a few times, but tried not to overuse it. If I recall, there were penalties for misusing it also. Possibly that would be good to bring back assuming your mods would have time to check the complaints out.
Thanks for hosting us on here, This is the site I try to check on everyday. I find a lot of interesting and useful things here oftentimes including some things I use in class.
y f IMposter. Best let your fan speak. You are too IGNORANT to say anything. All you do is hang yourself, when you try. Comical that one of your fan's comes on here, and you all of a sudden, think you grew some ba!!s. NOT!!! 8^)))
" Again, people here claim that I’m the troll when I’m fact I’m voicing a different thought and opinion. Nothing more or less. "
wow, what else can be said but wow
have you seen the vid of the canadian 'lady' defecating in a store and throwing the stuff at the employees? needed to use the restroom, nothing more or less
wow, liberal proREgressives and their subordinate males... tots are of no import but the format is still screwed up
Pat...you have the data on this thread. This is what happens without any sort of control by the thread owner.
I do have a few suggestions...
It is obvious that you have allowed the CF to become pretty much a "free fire zone" with little if any moderation (which has a lot of pluses and some negatives--hence your post). Perhaps it might be of some value to put a deputy or two on the streets to contain some of the excesses.
How about a real "ignore" button that would blank out all posts on a thread by an individual for the person who hits the "ignore" button. For example, everyone who buttons Paul Zeidan would individually never see or find the need to respond to his posts. In the example of Zeidan, few would ever see his posts, there would be no responses to him and he eventually would find no entertainment in creating his multiple false registrations and posts that rarely (if ever) contain value added content.
At one time, you had a star rating system where when one lost all their stars for bad/irresponsible behavior, they were blocked.
Of course, few ever really demonstrate that they appreciate the fact that your entire Bowsite is a free gift from you. Perhaps it might be better to tighten up the registration process to prevent fake registrations like Paul has aptly demonstrated since his initial emergence.
It's been a while since I've told you a "THANK YOU" for the gift of the Bowsite. You've enabled many of us to become friends both in the virtual and real world. Assistance in problems, providing solutions and ideas. And I think that many of us who have been here for the long run remember that this site was instrumental in the founding of Benefit4Kids.
jack
PS I'm tempted to bring up the Bathhouse Barry thread for old times sake!
Im sure bentstick will enforce his rule any minute now... and how about a reason why Jack Benson? why the need to censor me? do I offend you? do my opinions force you to see things a different way? Or do you also need a safe space? Boy, for a bunch of manly men, you guys are really showing your true colors.
Paul...as I stated, you are the best example of: 1. False registrations 2. Ignoring Pat's rules 3. Posts that result in what has been demonstrated on this thread.
Your comprehension is lacking (as usual). Having the ability to have all of your posts blanked out by someone via an "ignore button" is NOT censorship...more like a filter. My suggestion to a version would just leave all your drivel blank for me and anyone else who "ignored" you. I'm sure that there are some who would look forward to reading your manifestos and respond...but there are plenty who would rather not waste the time.
You have made your own reputation as the prime CF troll, not anyone else. And as such, you are the perfect person to use as an example.
You are the prime example of why Pat even posed this question.
y f IMposter. 'Why the need to sensor me?, do i offend you?, do my opinions force you to see things in a different way?, Because you can't ever tell the TRUTH. You are a LYING POS. Hope you will get it now. 8^)))
My vote is for both TOT and ignore. Threads degrade when certain people post. I'd certainly use the ignore function on a few twits who post here, and would then not have to waste time getting past their posts to the ones with actual thought behind them.
I never used the ToTs when you had them but other thread owners did and the times they did I thought they were justified. So yes I'm in favor of the return of TOTs.
Been around a looong time, now. The best threads meander on and off topic. Using TOTs to "remain on topic" would be like wrapping Duane Allman and Dickie Betts on the knuckles for trading licks over an extended jam.
The beauty of the internet is that nothing ever disappears, one need only know where to look to find the facts.
To claim false registrations were created after people googled anyone is pure poppycock and displays a staggering level of ignorance, given that the very first registration was a false one. Perhaps someone's arguing for clairvoyance; a person who had never posted was googled so that years hence when they actually posted the name, rank and serial number would be at the ready.
Good grief, as my good friend bad karma says, that's weapons-grade stupid.
The other nonsensical reference is to original thought; there are a number of "authentication" type engines where you can copy anyone's rambling screed, insert it in a box, hit enter and get a listing of the level of plagiarism (not to mention spelling and grammar errors).
Yeah, there were "original thought" laden posts alright; the problem is 80-95% of those "original thought" posts were the work of someone else. Of course when lying comes as naturally as breathing one shouldn't be surprised at the preponderance of lies on display by the troll of many flavors.
Why anyone would ever dignify a single utterance of any juvenile whelp is beyond me; other than an expression of pity for anyone so lacking in character (not to mention intelligence) to troll a hunting website is beyond me.
Want a better use of your time? Find the nearest tree in your yard and have a real heart-to-heart with it. Chances are the tree won't respond but on the plus side you won't be barraged with banal tripe, infantile drivel or a plethora of lies.
And if you still have any aggressive feelings, well you can always grab an axe and make like Paul Bunyan.....
There is no need for TOT's and really no need for an ignore button. It's called restraint, self-discipline and yes, maturity.
Put those traits on display and like weeds after a good dosing of roundup the trolls will be gone.....
I vote for TOTs. And we need a CrossBow section. While we're at it let's add an AirBow and High Fence Icon as well. Rompola and Bigfoot deserve their own dedicated sections too.
Think of the advertising possibilities: Blood Pressure Drugs, Anti Anxiety meds,
From what I remember, the TOTs pretty much stopped all conversation in threads by blanking out posts. Once you have a bunch of posts without context to what they were responding to, the thread is worthless.
The best sites that I have been on have moderators that gently and sparingly enforce the rules of the site. That works on most sites, but it appears that you have 2 different sides to Bowsite - the hunting threads and the CF. The hunting threads seem to follow the rules very well (possibly moderated) and the CF is left alone.
What the CF has turned into is a very interesting study - it sort of mirrors the Survivor TV series. It seems that the only thing that is now important is how many folks you can get in your alliance to shout-down/curse/threaten the other side. Maybe the CF was at one time a way to learn things (like the hunting forums) but it has been a long time since there was any learning going on. I don't think that TOTs do anything to help this. (I must confess that I still learn things here. Somebody posted a mammoth thread and I spent 2 hours reading about permafrost - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permafrost - but the actual content of threads is not very often deep.)
If I could add my suggestion? Post the rules - possibly even create a different set of rules for the CF because it is essentially a different animal than the hunting forums - and then find decent moderators to clean it up. It would be a good experiment, if nothing else.
I would definitely take advantage of an "Ignore" button. I'd use it on the CF's obsessed mega-poster, JTV and then enjoy the massive reduction in posts - ON LITERALLY EVERY THREAD - without any loss of meaningful content.
It’s Saturday, everyone should get a hobby, or a vice. This is like trying to sit through an episode of The View...Which for the record I have NEVER done.
I've been hanging out on bowsite for 20 years (where did the time fly). I love this site and I have honestly never met a bowsiter in person that I did not like. An example; NvaGivUp who is one of the nicest people I've met, but yet many of you (who I assume have never met him in person) think otherwise.
One thing I have always appreciated about this site is one that sets it apart from every other message board. The Community Forum is a place for people to vent, spout their political views, and have debates that let each person express his/her views regardless of their beliefs. If I recall that is why Pat created this forum in the first place. Back in the old days these these discussions would dominate the main forum.
However, the is always that 10% that take it to the next level. These people typically post under false names, multiple IPs, and intentionally create problems. This same 10% never post anything on the main forum (or at least hardly anything). Why would someone hang out on a hunting website only to come to the Community Forum to post opinions that they know will cause problems, incite negative responses, and basically just stir the pot. The reason is because this is how they get their kicks. Trolls enjoy the thrill of getting under the skin of forum members and the negative responses are almost like a trophy, the bigger/harsher the better.
This is the Wiki definition of a troll (disclaimer; Yes I am fully aware that Wikipedia is not a recognized reliable source of reference, but I plan on going turkey hunting soon and need to wrap this post up).
"In Internet slang, a troll (/tro?l, tr?l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
10 or 15 years ago I used to troll a couple websites. I had multiple alias' and used to intentionally create problems with people who had different views. I would get caught, banned, IP address blocked, but I would always find a way to get back in to pour gas on the fire. It was immature, childish, self centered, and just plain stupid. Looking back I can say I did it to fuel my ego to hide my own insecurities.
TOT's won't work. The only true fix is to ban the trouble maker. When they come back, and they will, ban them again, and again, and again. My recommendation is that if bowsite management receives enough valid complaints with specific examples from multiple members about a specific troll/poster that they be the governing body to take action as they see fit.
Regardless of how this plays out I will always be a loyal bowsite.com member. Bowsite has always been a place I call home and I appreciate everything that Pat and his team have done to make this website great.
No Don't bring them back. "Been around a looong time, now. The best threads meander on and off topic. Using TOTs to "remain on topic" would be like wrapping Duane Allman and Dickie Betts on the knuckles for trading licks over an extended jam."
I would suggest challenge, a fun let's see what happens if...
Anytime a troll and / or idiot starts in on a legitimate topic/thread...all CFrs stop responding, i.e. reacting to the trolling. It's a self control thing...you really want to react but maybe just ignoring them is most productive...imo
I can't help but wonder if Pat ever got his answer?... I mean, with all the schoolgirl bickering going on, it's hard to tell how anyone REALLY feels about it! Lol!
"I mean, with all the schoolgirl bickering going on"
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70lbdraw, are you talking about the person who has posted on this thread 15 times so far, who always has to have the last word, who follows spikebull around with a vengeance - making himself look like a junior high school girl trying to establish some sort of cliquesh pecking order ?
Oh yea, bring back the TOTs, and it ain't for Paul Z, either.
Like TF and a few others, I have been here since the beginning, check in about once a week or so, usually hoping to see a thread I could follow, but alas...lol. Spend more time reading the Leatherwall and the big game forums if anything of late.
I self ignore a lot of posts, maybe not so much as posters (though there are a couple). Typically if there is a title, with only a link attached with no summary, I ignore...doesn't matter who it is. I ignore anything a couple of people post on here and the subsequent, right-on-time knee jerk, fish-on responses. I ignore the middle school name calling for the most part. Lately I have been finding myself ignoring so much on here, I hardly give the site much time over the last couple of years.
I got TOT'd once by one of our more rational and sane posters. Couldn't remember what the thread was about, but my post wasn't germane to the thread. The owner sent a message with the why and it made sense. I didn't get "assed-up" about it, he was just trying to keep the thread on track. I saw a lot of TOT's on that one, and it was the proper use of them.
With that out of the way, I vote no for TOT's but could find myself endorsing an "ignore" function, with the option of either ignoring the thread, the poster or a particular post. I would imagine that would take some doing, I don't know. We may be able to lure back some of the "old timers" with such a tool. I miss a lot of those folks who used to add value and entertainment to this site, but have left because of the playground BS that goes on.
I have always felt the TOT's are misused by thread owners. I would vote no. By far the most effective tool against a troll is to ignore them but it seems like many of us do not have the self discipline to do that.
Perhaps Pat could provide some Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive sunglasses for subscribers who would rather read threads uncorrupted by semi-professional trolls and purveyors of no/low value content as a premium subscription to the CF.
Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses have been specially designed to help people develop a relaxed attitude to danger. At the first hint of trouble, they turn totally black and thus prevent you from seeing anything that might alarm you.
Jim Moore X1, been around about as long and can see the ignore button. If a poster does not have any history on the Bowsite or LW than just the CM that the objective is just to cause conflict then they should be gone, this whole site was set up by Pat for Bowhunters.
Jim Moore, I couldn't agree with you more. Especially the adolescent name calling! It's hard to take any adult seriously when they revert back to such childish behavior! But just like any child, they try will try to justify their "actions". Gene
Ruin threads huh? Perhaps you’ve not seen the pseudo curse words hidden in symbols by the love birds Jeff and Jeff ( at least their monogrammed towels will match!). I offer my opinions. You don’t have to like them. But what exactly “ruins” it for you.
I know the answer already: you simply enjoy the pats on the back when you offer up the same Fox News/breitbart headlines that every other person on here has read. And you go on congratulating each other with the “hildabeast” “criminal Clinton’s” “obama race pimp” (whatever the hell that is!) and when I come along challenging your crazy theories or offer up a challenging viewpoint, it makes your heard hurt. You clack loudly on your keyboard, no doubt cussing up a storm, and then take your extra strength Advil waiting for my very next post. How do i know this? Living in some people’s heads, rent free, allows me some cool insight. But ruin? Surely you jest.
y f IMposter. As mentioned earlier. You want to act like a moron, dumba$$, dip$hit, i don't have a problem identifying you as a moron, dumba$$, and dip$hit. You bring it on yourself, and i will be here to let you know what you are. You know why you come on here and what you are trying to do. Well, so do i. 8^)
Oh and y f IMposter. "I offer my opinions," Why LIE. All you do is "OFFER MY LIES". You can't PROVE any of your replies(LIES). Just like the bull$hit you typed on your last reply.
"But what exactly “ruins” it for you." Fav, I'll answer this one from my point of view. It is the fact that you say the stupidest things, try to make to contort things to make the stupidest points . That is enough in and of itself, but then you cause others to resort to language that my mama would STILL wash my mouth out for today (and I'm 56). Yes, I know that they chose to use those language and innuendos but it's kind of like pouring gas all over and handing a lighter to a 5 pack a day smoker, they can't seem to help themselves. There is no doubt in my mind you say a lot of what you do just to rile folks up. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't believe a lot of what you pretend to believe.
I should probably say the second stupidest things since Freeglee's statements and his dadgum exclamation points have you beat by a mile - if it's not another one of your personas. ;)
David, All due respect, but you and I have never had an issue, as I recall. However, your claim that I cause people to cuss, is a major cop out. People are ultimately responsible for their behavior, I think we can agree on that. "you say things to rile people up" Everything said on here, and I mean EVERYTHING is designed to 'rile people up'. Lets be honest, man! I've created well thought out threads, such as the most recent ABC cancels Roseanne. Please explain how thats purposely inflammatory when quite a few people opined on the thread. I've had more than my share of people cussing me out, trying to intimidate, bully, call out my place of employment, sending hate mail to my home, etc. Is that appropriate? You seem like a fair person, you can surely answer that simple question. Again, I will readily and vigorously defend myself when attacked, but I do not purposely inflame anymore than anyone else on a random website that describes itself as TOXIC (take a look at the description of the CF on the main page of the website)
y f IMposter You last reply is nothing but a LIE. I've seen replies that you have cussed in. You can't even come on here a second time, and state the truth. "I've created well thought out threads." Bull$hit!!! You are a LIAR. Your number one goal is to stir the $hit with LIES. When you get called out for it, you play the VICTIM. It's the same result from you that we had the last time. You've had plenty of chances to come clean, declare what you are, and change. You choose not to. Don't worry. I will be here to set you straight. You are a LYING PHONY FRAUD. Just in case you forgot. 8^)))
Paul, I disagree with most of what you post on most threads, but we have never called each other names etc and from my end at least never will. That is part of the problem. As a teacher you should know that there are times we need to rephrase (or flat out shut up), in order not to escalate a situation. I am sure that you have had to deal with students where that was advisable in a particular situation. So, I disagree that it is a cop out to suggest that you have encouraged the cussing, unintentionally or not. I do think many on here (myself at times), do need to work on self control and ultimately they are responsible for their actions. I will agree with you (gasp!) that calling the school, sending hate mail and so on is uncalled for. The community forum has sadly gotten a lot more volatile over the past 20 years as I see it. Yes there were the usual "meet me out back!" posts from time to time and some name calling, but we at least listened to each other - even when the liberals were way wrong. ;) I used to use some of the issues and thoughts here in school lessons from time to time, but honestly do not feel right in telling kids to go seek the site out on their own now. It is sad in my (not so) humble opinion.
Now that I have probably gotten "most about everybody" mad at me, I will go plant a few more tomatoes and hope that folks will think a little about how they act on here.
Make sure to plant the basil besides the tomatoes, they help keep the bugs off the tomatoes! Ha!, I can't wait for mine to come in. There's something special about garden tomatoes, for sure. And yes there are times I could hold back, agreed. Thanks for the civil dialogue. I'm pretty sure you'd be a great guy to have a beer with. And even though we don't agree politically, it is absolutely possible to use decorum, manners and be civil with each other. I also will get flamed, but I've come to accept and expect it.
Jeffrey. Do you hold the president to the same standard or just some random dude on CF? How many lies has the president told that you’ve willfully ignored? But that’s ok? That says all we need to know about you and your other half, Jeffrey.
The big question that y f IMposter never wants to answer, and side steps is: y f IMposter, How do you, a LIAR, discipline a student that LIES to you in your class???
y f IMposter. You and the dems and certain news stations claims he lies, and then FOX comes on and shoots you clowns out of the water. I trust FOX over anyone else. I asked you to watch FOX when Levin was on, and prove what he says is false, and you run away. So, don't give us the fox lies, when you don't have the balls to prove other wise.
Oh, and y f IMposter. I'm not like you and run with my tail tucked like you do on certain questions. That proves you are a LIAR, because you have no answer for LIES. Nice try. 8^)))
Thanks Solo I agree with everything you said above. I often don't post just because it's not worth getting into the squabble, but sometimes I try to make my point anyway and hope some will think on it. We have a lot of folks on here that are knowledgeable and if they would just stay on track we could have some great discussions. Tomatoes are all planted now, (but no basil), and I'm going to clean up and go to bed pretty quick. With school out, I am the one to haul Dad to his doctor appointment in the big city tomorrow. Ma has promised to fix me lunch before we go and make Dad buy me ice cream for taking him. ;)
Thanks for the candid words solo. And please feel free to “debase” my threads with actual dialogue. LOL It would be a welcome respite from the silliness that usually accompanies my responses.
What do you ask a valid question “why do I stick around after all of the vitriol and then him. Simple answer? I really feel the need to counter some of the misinformation and hypocrisy that exists. Am I going to convert anyone? Of course not. But just like in the classroom when I hear a kid bully another kid it is my obligation to step in and correct things. Here It’s a few people that are quick to jump on the moral high ground, the religious high ground, the political Highground and that elect a man that, well, we know what Trump is. No use in beating that Deadhorse. It’s a few people that are quick to jump on the moral high ground, the religious high ground, the political high ground and that elect a man that, well, we know what Trump is. No you said beating that Deadhorse. Plus I do get a good laugh sometimes. I hope you guys have a good day summer is upon us!
y f IMposter. How come you NEVER counter someone when they call your bluff and present FACTS of what you are typing is nothing but a LIE??? Ya, you are LYING again. I will have a good day, and remember, I will expose your every LIE.
WHY is it "silly" to call you out for the liar that you are Paulabe? The fact that you're a liar is NOT debatable but a hard fact. You, as well as anyone who's been on here for any amount of time knows this and is why you ignore it because even YOU know it's true.
Now watch everyone as Zeidan has no response to this.
Jeffrey and Louie. 1) I’ve presentented ad nauseum, why I hid my name. It was clearly justified and apparently accepted by the powers that be because I’m still here. If you’re going to say my opinions are lies, please show your proof. If you’re going to call me a liar, be prepared to be consistent and call out the lies of everyone. y the president. And please show proof that you, yourselves have never lied. Until then, your words are just noise. Background woooshing noise that’s basically devoid of any intelligence.
y f IMposter. You LYING about your very self, and just about every time you post, you won't counter, as you call it, when you get pegged for LYING. You have even admitted to Lying, but want to hold Trump to higher standards. It's ok for you to LIE, but no one else. What a PHONY.
Trump promised to show his taxes if he won. He didn’t.
Trump promised Mexico would pay for a wall. They aren’t.
Trump promised his he and his kids would not be conduct trump business while he is in Office. They continue to do so.
Put pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from there parents once they cross the Border into the U.S." in fact: No law requires the separation of border-crossing parents from their children. This is a policy of the Trump admin.
Want more of his lies.
And yes Jeffrey. I would like to think that most reasonable people would hold the president to a higher standard than some random schlub on a website. But hey, your choice right?
Notice if you will folks, how Zeidan won't address HIS OWN lie.
s'matter, Paulie, can't stand the truth ABOUT YOURSELF? Face it, your PRESENCE on the CF is one big lie, because you gave your word to leave forever and then you didn't.
Poor Louie wants me gone so bad. His snowflake feelings hurt so bad! Poor little guy. Here’s a deal. Ignore me. Maybe I’ll go away! Naaaahhh. Just pulling your leg. Or lying. Whichever you want. Hahahahahaha.
Ask Jeffrey and Jeffrey for a hug. In between those two sharing bundt cake recipes, and scrubbing each other’s backs, I’m sure they’ll make some time for you.
Still won't face the truth Zeidan, huh? You're a liar, flat out. Why you think ANYONE with half a brain would discuss anything with you is beyond belief. If you WERE really a marine then you are truly a disgrace to the uniform. That is, if you really ARE Paul Zeidan, which is probably an outright lie too.
"Ignore me. Maybe i will go away. Naaaahhh. Just LYING again. Don't worry y f IMposter. I already know that ignoring you won't make you go away. Yet there is a few that believe you will. Don't worry moron. I will be right here exposing you to all new comers to the CF so they will know the LYING PHONY FRAUD that you are. I don't mind at all. 8^)))
See y f IMposter. If your head is living rent free, a little dusty and smells like mothballs, i would get a 3/8ths log chain, and have someone pull your head out of your a$$. It will smell much better. Your head has been up there for a long time.8^)
" 1) I’ve presentented ad nauseum, why I hid my name. "
hmmm, what's that thing about repeating the same lie until you (YOU) actually believe it?
IIRC, you never used your name until it was obvious you could not continue with the charade......... you trolled for over a year using student names, posting from your school server, and once called out by your supervisors you claimed it was an assignment for your students to troll this site (with school approval, of course), i believe you then said that was the end and you were moving on....nope
after that fiasco, you took a break and returned and returned and returned....you know "ad nauseam", using real names of people from all over but never your own .....it's all in the history here
the "hid my name" game you are playing lately is just your newest stunt, trying to cover your yella belly and smelly breath
from SUNY professor to houseboat captain to fresh out of the military and the best one "bow hunter" and on and on an on......3+ years of this child's play from an allegedly grown ass man, now looking for some odd kind of acceptance and respect due to his victim-status and supposed original thoughts and opinions