He does ask the question why would he if he has done no wrong.
I agree with Pig Dic. This tweet has a purpose. It’s to get the left and the media talking about it. Trumps end game on this isn’t about him pardoning himself. What is the real reason?
Since there's no legal precedence for this claim, I can't imagine Trump's motive for making it. Fortunately, the SCOTUS will have the final word if it comes to that.
Matt
The fact that we’re even discussing this should alarm people but hey, this is trumps america now.
As a leader, shouldn't you be trying to bring EVERY one forward? While I admit that I'm not a fan of his approach, or many of his policy choices... It's seems that if President Trump wants to make America Great Again, that he would want to do things which do NOT polarize people and camps further. Instead, it seems like every decision is about how to make all of us more ticked off.
Ill put it this way, if your kid played on a little league team, and was trying to make the a kid up to bat ON HIS OWN TEAM mess up or play poorly or look ridiculous would you be pumped up and think it was making the Post 218 Little League team better?
Hugely over simplified. I just cant understand the concept of a leader intentionally trying to push away or inflame a large portion of those they serve. That's not a deal making tool or productive in pretty much any way other than causing polarization and distrust.
I'm not ticked off. My 401K is doing great after 8 yrs of stagnation from the previous president. Military is rebuilding. Economy is improving. Jobs are plentiful. Wages are on the rise.
You mean like Obama was everyone's prez except for those bitter clingers in fly over country?
Yes it did. Greatly improved.
My investments did just fine over the past 8 years, but doing even better now...
Some here think they understand the underlying meaning in trumps words. He’s just playing the media like a fiddle. Be careful cause one day he might actually do exactly as he said.
Pig Doc- are you a Trump whisper as you say or are u a Trump stooge? It’s really hard to tell. You’re like that bully sidekick in the school yard. When the bully makes a mistake you jump in the and say “he meant to do that...all a part of the plan.” And I’m clueless right.
Yeah, Trump doesn’t care who likes him. That’s too funny... have you ever listen to his rally speeches? Narcissist overload.
I can see plain as day why Trump is pissing them off deliberately.
As for pissing off people in General. Joe Rogan has an interesting take on it last Sunday on Ben Shapiros POD cast. You can’t be afraid of pissing people off. Your going to do it no matter what.
My 401K is fine. It's been productive for the last 30 yrs. It's really been productive since Trump took office. Obama didn't help the economy. He burdened it. That's over now thank goodness.
I consider myself conservative on some issues and liberal on others, a centrist really. I just do not get the idea that liberals / conservatives are bad simply because they associate with a given line of thought. That seems like it misses reality on a lot of levels. Now, sociopath... I'm cool with that being bad :).. Some things just are bad, I get that. But thinking liberally or conservatively... I dont get "bad" from those. Just different.
Ill go back to my earlier post though, ticking off a group of people is not a leadership move. I'm not sure what it is, but it's not being a leader. Yes, a leader will make decisions that some under them do not agree with. Those folks may be pissed off about the decision for sure. That is far different from "trolling" them. PZ get's railed daily for trolling on here, but it's totally cool for President Trump or any "conservative" to troll the MSM or a Liberal or all Liberals etc any time? It's an interesting consideration.
Not really, considering over half of that run was just getting back to pre-2008 crash levels, which took over 5 years. In reality, most 401Ks saw weak growth, overall, during Obama's term, relative to their pre-Obama highs.
Matt
On somethings I’m liberal on others I’m conservation. I judge individuals based on my experience with them. I have many friends that I don’t agree with politically but that doesn’t mean they are bad people. Most of my family are conservatives. Your generalizations show your intellectual immaturity. JTV...I’m sure if we met face to face for a beer we could find something in common right. Because I have social liberal leanings am I your enemy?
If Trump is just playing the media then I don’t think is a smart play. What’s the end game? If you have lied then it will catch up to you in the end. Mom drilled that into my head. I would never exchange my honor for a job or at the expense of my family. Based on what I have seen of Trump I just don’t get the impression he’s an honest person with the country’s best interest in mind. That doesn’t mean I’m a never trumper. I hope I’m wrong and trump is successful. I agree his media coverage is mostly negative but he’s not blameless. Never a good idea the ask a pornstar to keep a secret. I feel bad for his wife and young son.
This talk of pardoning himself is detrimental to the American core regardless of whether he truly means it or not. And nobody but trump knows his true intentions regardless.
Policy's certainly can become smoke and mirrors, but one could very easily make a claim that the work of the previous administration set the stage for gains to continue. Certainly, President Trump's policy choices may impact the continued rate of change or performance in general of the market. The teetering economy from President Bush into Obama was more than just an american thing, it was international. President Obama's administration was in the white house 8 years and during that time the markets grew tremendously, at least in terms of the "score" so to speak. That's continued with President Trump. You could make the case, and it pains me to say this, that "both" are doing a good job for one's portfolio. If President Trump is still there in 6 years we will have a good comparison.
Going back to the OPs title though, about president's self pardoning. It may or may not be legal, but tweeting about it just looks ridiculous and seems a strange decision to make.
From 7.5K, the markets had no where to go but up. 401Ks didn't see any overall growth until it reached 14K sometime in 2013. And, as Mint pointed out, that was mostly due to printing money, not actual gains.
Matt
I remember at the time statements to the effect "it doesn't matter how the money gets out into the economy.... we could drop it out of airplanes and it would be the same..." Not true IMO. Money is a tool to accomplish things. Very much matters how and why it is spent as when it is spent on airports and highways and harbors, etc. there are tangible assets after the money is spent as well as it getting into the overall economy. Handing money out has not tangible public benefit, but only personal benefits to those it is handed out for doing essentially nothing.....
