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Pat Lefemine 01-Jan-18
midwest 01-Jan-18
Paul 01-Jan-18
Bou'bound 01-Jan-18
JTV 01-Jan-18
Bowboy 01-Jan-18
Timbrhuntr 01-Jan-18
Jaquomo 01-Jan-18
Pat Lefemine 01-Jan-18
ground hunter 01-Jan-18
SteveB 01-Jan-18
Bou'bound 01-Jan-18
Beendare 01-Jan-18
bowbender77 01-Jan-18
Jaquomo 01-Jan-18
Sage Buffalo 01-Jan-18
Topgun 30-06 01-Jan-18
Franklin 01-Jan-18
Ben 01-Jan-18
drycreek 01-Jan-18
cnelk 01-Jan-18
DMC65 01-Jan-18
Amoebus 02-Jan-18
Brotsky 02-Jan-18
Glunt@work 02-Jan-18
elkstabber 02-Jan-18
BOWNUT 02-Jan-18
Cobie33 02-Jan-18
TD 02-Jan-18
Fuzzy 03-Jan-18
mulecreek 03-Jan-18
Woods Walker 03-Jan-18
From: Pat Lefemine
01-Jan-18

Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
I’m sure it will be truthful and accurate - just like all CNN reporting is ;-)

From: midwest
01-Jan-18
Notice it's called a "film", not a documentary.

01-Jan-18
Is that the best shot on a rhino?

From: Paul
01-Jan-18
Mec or fixed ??

From: Bou'bound
01-Jan-18
Trophy’: CNN Sets Airdate For Hunting & Conservation Film With Limited Commercial Interruptions Lisa de Moraes December 20, 2017 9:27AM PST

CNN Films CNN will premiere Trophy, the critically acclaimed film exploring big-game hunting and wildlife conservation, at 9 PM Sunday, January 14, with limited commercial interruptions.

CNN CNN acquired the film, directed by Shaul Schwarz and co-directed by Christina Clusiau, at Sundance in January. The cable news network is heading back to the Park City fest next month as a buyer for a fifth year. Its first-year acquisition was Blackfish, and buys also have included Dinosaur 13, Escape Fire (which debuted at Sundance in 2012 but CNN acquired the following year) and Holy Hell. Sundance kicks off CNN’s annual look at films for investment; most years CNN has taken films there for premiere.

Amy Entelis, EVP talent and content development for CNN Worldwide, describes Trophy as an exploration of “the complex stakes surrounding sport hunting and wildlife conservation.”

The filmmakers said they wanted to explore the idea of what it means when people place economic value on wildlife.

Among the film’s stops, the annual conference for Safari Club International in Las Vegas, which features exhibits for hunting outfitters, guns, taxidermy services, conservation seminars and safari licenses. SCI attracts 20,000 visitors from around the world each year. Hunting clubs, and organizations like SCI, argue that the trophy permit fees secured by hunters engaged in legal activity make important contributions to African economies and also fund conservation efforts.

Since 1970, the world has lost more than 60% of all wild animals, with some species faring even worse. Populations of elephants have plummeted from 10 million in 1900 to 1.3 million in 1979 to only 350,000 in 2015. In 2008, the year prior to South Africa’s moratorium on the sale of rhino horn, 83 rhinos were poached. In the year after the ban, 333 rhinos were poached, and in 2014, more than 1,200 rhinos were illegally killed.

Hunting and habitat encroachment have impacted wildlife reduction, the film acknowledges, but it takes the position that poaching is having the most dramatic deleterious impacts. Poaching, the film argues, often is “connected to both corruption and terrorism.”

From: JTV
01-Jan-18
No where has legal managed hunting wiped out a big game specie, or any specie for that matter ... From Sundance ??... thats where all the loonie lefties/enviro nuts and ARA'ers hang out ... I'm sure this wont be biased at all ... pffft !

From: Bowboy
01-Jan-18
Probably directed my a animal rights activitist. TV is so lame anymore. You know what CNN stands for Corrupted News Network.

From: Timbrhuntr
01-Jan-18
Since they are usually jumping from one sensational story to another It takes them awhile to finally get things right and usually by then its too late ! So on to the next story !!

From: Jaquomo
01-Jan-18
I look at it another way - the nonhunting voting public will never see "our" side of it unless it's on mainstream media. There has been way too much "Cecil" propaganda as it is. I have a feeling we may be surprised that it shows the hunting-conservation aspect in a positive light.

From: Pat Lefemine
01-Jan-18
J, I hope you’re right. But do you really believe CNN would pick it up if it did anything except feed the narrative that 90% of their viewers demand? After all, a positive message on hunting would reflect well on the Trump boys. No way CNN would ever let that happen.

I’m preparing for the worst. Only positive is that so few people watch that horrible network any more.

01-Jan-18
Sundance, Park City Utah, say no more,,,,,, would not waste my time

From: SteveB
01-Jan-18
Unfortunately the liberal left voting base from cities is growing. As urban/suburban areas expand the power of the radical left grows. In recent years the expanding voting impact can be seen. Though most of the National map is red, the growing blue areas carry a nearly surpassing amount of votes. Evidenced by how well Bernie Sanders did. Sad that such compact areas have that much impact on us all. Those are CNN’s audience joined by the 3 other major networks. They will LOVE this “film”.

From: Bou'bound
01-Jan-18
The number of people that will see this one show is dwarfed by the number of people we a group of 15 million hunters in the United States impact and influence on a daily basis in our communities, workplaces, churches, schools, neighborhoods, etc.

What does your behavior in front of those people say about us as hunters and hunting.?

From: Beendare
01-Jan-18
Its CNN....no one I know even watches CNN anymore as they edit the news so harshly.

From: bowbender77
01-Jan-18
I would expect nothing short of a tidal wave of propaganda with this type of rubbish production.

From: Jaquomo
01-Jan-18
The film makers are serious award-winning documentarians from Israel, not affiliated with CNN. CNN simply bought the rights to air it. The mainstream reviews sound like it's pretty fair and balanced, trying to objectively show how hunting funds conservation and anti-poaching efforts. Sounds like they slam the ARAs a bit over the Cecil debacle.

From: Sage Buffalo
01-Jan-18
I will say CNN did a piece a few years ago that was about as pro-hunting as you will see concerning Texas land owners who were saving a species and let hunters shoot some to support their efforts.

Then some enviro-wackos stopped the hunt for a few years. They got the best quote ever from the wackos that saying, "I would rather have the species go instinct than hunting save them." I think that piece helped into getting the law over-turned.

Hopefully it's half as good as that piece.

From: Topgun 30-06
01-Jan-18
That broad that made that statement about rather having the species go extinct than hunting saving them is an absolute nut case!

From: Franklin
01-Jan-18
It`s CNN.....nobody will see it.

From: Ben
01-Jan-18
I still remember the " Guns of Autumn" that was on CBS in the late 70's or early 80's where Dan Rather tried to really put the left spin on hunting. It was more like "The Killing Fields " than hunting a real piece of trash only meant to put hunters in a bad light by showing the worst of high fence operations. Really helped the HSUS anti hunting movement.

From: drycreek
01-Jan-18
I'm not nearly as worried about the effects of this film as I am about the fact that we lost 2,000,000 hunters in the last five years according to QDMA.

And I'm with Lou, wait until it airs and see what it's all about.

From: cnelk
01-Jan-18
CNN = Clinton News Network

BTW: Those crosshairs look a tad low for the bullet to enter the brain cavity.

From: DMC65
01-Jan-18
Arby's , ya know , the fast food joint, advertised heavily on one of the TV channels that air hunting shows . They we're advertising a venison sandwich for sale on TV! The had the same campaign this past fall. What I'm seeing is a bit of a shift with the younger generation to a more hunting friendly attitude. The whole animal rights " movement" is losing support cause the age group that got it started ,and realized there's giant salaries to be made in non-profits, is starting to die off. My son and I get regular requests from non-hunters to shoot deer for them because they know the quality and health benefits of wild meat. The anti-hunting mentality is not quite as politically correct as it has been in the past because the younger generation has so many avenues to use to acquire information !! Lots of people I know will post a picture of an animal they killed on social media and most of the responses are positive . Don't think for a minute that the mainstream news entities don't know what the more popular view of a subject is and they will try to be first to jump on the popular bandwagon. I'm not saying that cnn is suddenly gonna take our side against the antis but I'm willing to let this play out cause I personally have seen the shift in attitudes from the time I attended public school till now. Hunting is more accepted by urban dwellers than at any time in my life. I hope that this show on CNN will be honest and informative. We as hunters already know the truth . When an animal, any animal , has no economic value it has no protection!!

From: Amoebus
02-Jan-18

Amoebus's Link
Lou - you need to quit trying. Pat said CNN and that made up their minds.

For the rest of us, there are some good reviews on Rotten Tomatoes - see link.

From: Brotsky
02-Jan-18
Based upon the reviewers comments like "horror" and "terror" and "hard to watch", it seems that they play hunting in a fair light in this film. If they crucified hunting they would all be gushing about how "right" they are. I'll withhold my judgment until I see it but it seems like they may have played it in the middle.

From: Glunt@work
02-Jan-18
If they have a shred of integrity, there is no way to ignore that legal wildlife management including hunting when appropriate is a giant benefit to these species. I'm thinking it might be an ok film.

From: elkstabber
02-Jan-18
"Can Hunting Big Game Save Them From Extinction?" That is the subtitle. From that subtitle it seems clear that they are going to talk about our side of the story. I'm going to watch it.

From: BOWNUT
02-Jan-18
This has been on Pay Per View for a while. I have watched it. It shows both sides. I have never hunted in Africa and don't intend to so it was all pretty new to me. Its a lot about how hunting pays for conservation and how it pays to stop poaching witch seems to be a big problem there. To me one of the best parts was a legal elephant hunt and how not one scrap of meat or hide was left to waste. The poachers kill many more elephants then hunters and only take the ivory. That seemed to be true with rinos too. At the end I felt if they stop legal hunting the poachers will hunt them to extinction. Just my thoughts and my wife who watched it with me who has never hunted. I will be looking forward to more comments on this after its viewed.

From: Cobie33
02-Jan-18
I, like Brotsky and some of you others, will reserve my judgement until I see the documentary. Based on reading some of the full reviews, it does seem that the hunting may very well be portrayed in fair light. Time will tell.

From: TD
02-Jan-18
Haven't seen it..... and being aired by CNN makes one flinch a bit right outta the gate.... but you never know. Driving to work this morning I listened to a report about how some DC restaurant is offering up high end very expensive venison dinners (commercial red deer at $40 lb) and is killing it so to speak...... then they went into explaining the Hunters for the Hungry programs across the country and how they donate so much venison (I forgot the figures but it was yuge....) The food distribution programs interviewed were gushing over how awesome it was and about the only protein food that was donated to them at all. One hunter talking about blue cheese stuffed roasts he does. A VERY pro hunting segment, even threw in how abundant the deer were and how hunting helps keep the population managed to a degree. Talked about expensive exotic fine dining with the same food going to food programs helping needy families for FREE right nearby.

This was on NPR. Go figure.....

02-Jan-18
Man, this would have been fun on the CF. Much too fair and balanced over here. I guess the BGF is the FOX News of BS;)

From: Fuzzy
03-Jan-18
poor aiming point on the rhino

From: mulecreek
03-Jan-18
I saw this documentary. I felt they tried to cover both sides. There is discussion of the benefits of hunting to conservation. However, the type of hunting it covers is not something that I can relate to. It is almost exclusively African game farm shooting. It does not paint this in a very favorable light, IMO. Much of that is due to the attitude and demeanor of the shooters they chose to follow and show. I don't have much experience with African hunting, so I cannot say whether it is an accurate or thorough portrayal of an African ranch hunt. But I can say that it did not leave me with a favorable view of the shooters that participate in these types of hunts. However, what they were doing bore no resemblance to the hunting I do so I took no offense.

I too found the elephant hunt interesting but for a different reason. When the locals showed up to get the meat even they couldn't see why the hunter had taken such a small bull. IIRC one even said "that is no elephant".

From: Woods Walker
03-Jan-18
Do any of you old farts here remember the CBS documentary, "Guns Of Autumn", hosted by that bastion of truth and journalistic integrity Dan Rather? It sounds like it just might get knocked off the top of the pedestal by this gift from CNN.

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