Stop the closure petition
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Contributors to this thread:
ohiohunter 07-Mar-18
TrapperKayak 07-Mar-18
PECO 07-Mar-18
PECO 07-Mar-18
Pyrannah 07-Mar-18
ohiohunter 07-Mar-18
Missouribreaks 07-Mar-18
yooper89 07-Mar-18
tradmt 07-Mar-18
Dyjack 07-Mar-18
ohiohunter 07-Mar-18
ohiohunter 07-Mar-18
tr 07-Mar-18
tradmt 07-Mar-18
Treeline 07-Mar-18
ohiohunter 07-Mar-18
Michael 07-Mar-18
smarba 07-Mar-18
Rock 07-Mar-18
Missouribreaks 07-Mar-18
Predeter 07-Mar-18
ohiohunter 07-Mar-18
PECO 07-Mar-18
Missouribreaks 07-Mar-18
Bill Obeid 07-Mar-18
ohiohunter 07-Mar-18
Missouribreaks 07-Mar-18
ohiohunter 07-Mar-18
mountainman 07-Mar-18
PECO 07-Mar-18
smarba 07-Mar-18
Empty Freezer 07-Mar-18
abow4me 07-Mar-18
hunt'n addict 07-Mar-18
tkjwonta 07-Mar-18
Grunt-N-Gobble 08-Mar-18
IdyllwildArcher 08-Mar-18
TD 08-Mar-18
elkstabber 08-Mar-18
WV Mountaineer 08-Mar-18
butcherboy 08-Mar-18
APauls 08-Mar-18
SBH 08-Mar-18
Trial153 08-Mar-18
drycreek 08-Mar-18
4FINGER 08-Mar-18
N-idaho 08-Mar-18
LUNG$HOT 08-Mar-18
BOX CALL 08-Mar-18
Teeton 08-Mar-18
Beendare 08-Mar-18
smarba 12-Mar-18
trophyhill 12-Mar-18
Pigsticker 13-Mar-18
PANELBEATER 13-Mar-18
Scar Finga 13-Mar-18
t-roy 13-Mar-18
smarba 13-Mar-18
nmwapiti 13-Mar-18
trophyhill 15-Mar-18
StickFlicker 16-Mar-18
yooper89 16-Mar-18
elkstabber 16-Mar-18
Bill Obeid 16-Mar-18
Butternut40 16-Mar-18
ben yehuda 16-Mar-18
From: ohiohunter
07-Mar-18

ohiohunter's Link
Some greedy NM LO's want to lock some gates resulting in some public land all for themselves.

From: TrapperKayak
07-Mar-18
I signed it. Its our land too, even for those here in NY. Bet they'll wonder what in the heck some NYer is concerned about roads in NM for. Well, I pay Fed. taxes, a lot of $$$, and I want it kept accessible to the public. I might wish to pay a visit there someday too. I don't want this trend to continue anywhere else either. TK

From: PECO
07-Mar-18
Done. This type of crap really pisses me off.

From: PECO
07-Mar-18
Done, from Colorado.

From: Pyrannah
07-Mar-18
done from PA

From: ohiohunter
07-Mar-18
Thanks to all,

Keep it going, copy and paste the link into a txt message and send it out. The bigger this petition gets hopefully the bigger the statement.

07-Mar-18
Is there more to the story? Why were the closures suggested in the first place?

From: yooper89
07-Mar-18
Signed. From Colorado.

From: tradmt
07-Mar-18
These roads are the only access? How will this give advantage/disadvantage? I just don't know the details so I'm asking.

From: Dyjack
07-Mar-18
Trad I was curious too, so I looked at some maps and it appears these roads go through a lot of private land. So if closed off there would theoretically be no access short of a plane to some of the area in the units. I signed it. I'm an advocate for closed roads on forest service to protect habitat, but not when there isn't even walking access.

From: ohiohunter
07-Mar-18
Its a county road that goes through some private, there are access points within the proposed closure. There are 3 LO's trying to block off a combined 10mi of road. This closure will prevent through traffic as well as prevent access to addition public lands. The closure will also make anyone north of the closure w/out a key (primarily outdoorsmen) have to navigate several hours to access southern portions of the road.

From: ohiohunter
07-Mar-18

ohiohunter's Link
Here is a little more detail, I cannot find the actual map page.

From: tr
07-Mar-18
signed, from IN

From: tradmt
07-Mar-18
Gotchya! Kind of what I suspected, same shit happening all over the west.

From: Treeline
07-Mar-18
Done

From: ohiohunter
07-Mar-18
Missouri, these road closures are proposed by land owners, not the county, which will leave public lands only accessible by the land owner and their constituents. As we all know public land isn't public when it is not accessible by all. These closures are mostly driven by greed, one benefit the LO's will get is miles and miles of unpressured sheep hunting of which they can sell tags for upwards of $6,000... or lease it to an outfitter... the landlocked property inflates the available land, which in turn can inflate the price.

From: Michael
07-Mar-18
Signed from Mn. Thanks for making the community aware of it.

From: smarba
07-Mar-18
Thx all. I wish the thread title would have included information such as "NM" and additional detail, but if we keep it active it should generate support.

The bottom line is this area is known for Barbary Sheep/Auodad hunting and the private landowners want to block access to landlocked public. It's all about $$$ and access for outfitters but not general public.

We can't hunt private land in NM w/out written permission.

Not many years ago Barbary was OTC and generally not a coveted animal. Then G&F changed the species to a draw, opening the door for Outfitter draw preference and increasing the potential for guided hunts and it's become all about $$ ever since.

There have ALREADY been road closures in this part of the state solely to eliminate public access to public lands. One example I'm aware of maybe 5-6 years ago involved a County Road. If not maintained by the County for a specified time period (I can't recall if it's 1 year or 2) it reverts to private. A relative of the private landowner sat on the County board and was responsible for scheduling road maintenance. They conveniently DIDN'T maintain the road for the set period of time, it reverted to private, was promptly locked and it's a done deal: no public access.

We have a lot of crooked/shady deals like that here in NM and this petition relates to the latest one. Thankfully this one caught the attention of somebody and it's now getting attention. Most fly under the radar, public comment notification periods are advertised but minimally and meetings are held at dates/times when public doesn't show up and the deal passes without anyone even being aware.

Thx all!

From: Rock
07-Mar-18
Signed

07-Mar-18
Sounds like one for the courts.

From: Predeter
07-Mar-18
Done. Thanks for posting it.

From: ohiohunter
07-Mar-18
Miss... there is nothing unique about this, [sadly] happens all the time as pointed out by Smarba. Honestly, your disengagement is unsettling.

From: PECO
07-Mar-18
Any asshole that tries to close public land by closing public access needs to have their property taken away and given to the public.

07-Mar-18
Just trying to understand personal property rights too. I would hire lawyers and go through whatever legal process you have to to maintain access, nothing wrong with that.

From: Bill Obeid
07-Mar-18
I was happy to oblige.

From: ohiohunter
07-Mar-18
misss..Again, sort of perplexed by your position and eagerness to hire lawyers... weird, but whatever.

I merely moved this message to the general forum from the NM forum, Smarba is the man to thank.... but rest assured any and all efforts are greatly appreciated.

07-Mar-18
Just wondering if the private roads were closed legally, or illegally. Makes a huge difference.

From: ohiohunter
07-Mar-18
These particular spots aren’t closed yet, hence the term proposal

From: mountainman
07-Mar-18
Done

From: PECO
07-Mar-18
A few land owners want to close a public road, which leads to public access of public land. This is wrong and should not be happening.

From: smarba
07-Mar-18
Missouri: The roads are being closed LEGALLY. Because of either shady deals where County Roads are intentionally not maintained so revert to private, or by shady deals where landowners petition to close, then the public comment period is downplayed/not advertised well (at all), so with no public outcry or opposition the request passes.

In many cases the first anybody knows about it is when they discover a new locked gate across what the map indicates is a County Road...and then it's pretty much too late.

07-Mar-18
Signed from CA

From: abow4me
07-Mar-18
Signed from OK

07-Mar-18
Signed from MI

From: tkjwonta
07-Mar-18
Another signature from Iowa

08-Mar-18
Done.

08-Mar-18
Signed

From: TD
08-Mar-18
Done.

From: elkstabber
08-Mar-18
Done. Thank you Ohiohunter for bringing this to our attention and making it easy for us to voice our opinion.

08-Mar-18
Do e

From: butcherboy
08-Mar-18
Done. I’ve never hunted Barbary but I am seriously considering it this year. Road closures and cutting off public access is never a good thing

From: APauls
08-Mar-18
Signed from Canada. Only takes about 3.5 seconds folks.

From: SBH
08-Mar-18
Done

From: Trial153
08-Mar-18
This is nothing new in southern NM, had to deal with this last winte on our Jan hunt. It got very ugly .

Petition signed

From: drycreek
08-Mar-18
Done

From: 4FINGER
08-Mar-18
Done...4finger

From: N-idaho
08-Mar-18
done, cant stand limiting access, I have a problem with some of the forest service gates too, not all but some of them.

From: LUNG$HOT
08-Mar-18
Signed! Let’s keep it public.

From: BOX CALL
08-Mar-18
Signed it.

From: Teeton
08-Mar-18
Done from N-E Pa

From: Beendare
08-Mar-18
sent

From: smarba
12-Mar-18
Thx all, please keep this thread rolling!

From: trophyhill
12-Mar-18
Just so y'all know, sheep are not the only game in town. These are area's where I've seen, (but not killed yet) some giant desert mulies. Though the roads in question would be closed legally, it wouldn't be without corruption behind the scenes......

From: Pigsticker
13-Mar-18
Sent

From: PANELBEATER
13-Mar-18
Signed

From: Scar Finga
13-Mar-18
Done From AZ

From: t-roy
13-Mar-18
Done

From: smarba
13-Mar-18
Good point Trophyhill. Although even though there are some mulies in the area I am fairly confident that Barbary sheep/aoudad are the driver behind these attempted closures.

Thx to all for adding your support!

From: nmwapiti
13-Mar-18
Thanks for the help fellas. We lost one of these fights a month or two ago on a similar piece of ground near Roswell. Landowner claimed he was getting robbed by folks accessing his place on the public road. Think that success inspired this attempt, but there is a much better response this time. Hopefully we can stop it. Yep, barbary sheep are the primary critter out there. Some deer, quail, coyotes...

From: trophyhill
15-Mar-18
Looks like a couple greedy LO's we're defeated today on this issue. Being familiar with Chavez County however, I'm sure we haven't heard the last of it. We just have to stay vigilant if we care about hunting public lands.

From: StickFlicker
16-Mar-18

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From: yooper89
16-Mar-18
Got the email too. Feels good to get a W like that, and I’ve never even stepped foot in the state...... yet.

From: elkstabber
16-Mar-18
This shows that when we hunters get off of our butts we can win together.

From: Bill Obeid
16-Mar-18
Felt good to get that e mail !!!

Real good!!!

From: Butternut40
16-Mar-18
Just got the email. Thumbs up.

16-Mar-18
I am glad to see this victory. I too am a big supporter of property rights, but road closures in cases like this are nothing more than land grabs on the part of the LO.

We have a section of the NF near me that has been basically inaccessible for 20 years or so, because a large corporation (with deep pockets) simply put a fence across the one dirt road that provided access. The road passed thru the private property and the corporation unilaterally decided to block access (and harass / threaten people with their armed guards attempting to access the NF on the road.)

A couple of decades and numerous court rulings later the gate is still up and we the people are still denied access to the NF (including what used to be a nice campground).

Positively warms my heart to see people come together and get behind a good cause like this.

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