STOP AIR BOW IN AZ
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Contributors to this thread:
Scar Finga 20-Mar-18
Scar Finga 20-Mar-18
bowbender77 20-Mar-18
Scar Finga 20-Mar-18
'Ike' (Phone) 20-Mar-18
Scar Finga 21-Mar-18
Arizonabowhunter 22-Mar-18
Arizonabowhunter 22-Mar-18
Arizonabowhunter 22-Mar-18
Charlie Rehor 22-Mar-18
Arizonabowhunter 22-Mar-18
Ambush 22-Mar-18
JL 22-Mar-18
TheTone 22-Mar-18
Arizonabowhunter 22-Mar-18
Scar Finga 22-Mar-18
JL 22-Mar-18
Scar Finga 22-Mar-18
nmwapiti 22-Mar-18
nmwapiti 22-Mar-18
Scar Finga 23-Mar-18
nmwapiti 23-Mar-18
Scar Finga 23-Mar-18
Scar Finga 23-Mar-18
Arizonabowhunter 23-Mar-18
Scar Finga 24-Mar-18
nmwapiti 25-Mar-18
From: Scar Finga
20-Mar-18
Please help us stop the airbow and similar type weapons in the archery season. This proposed measure, is for disabled persons for now, but it is opening a door that we don't want open. Disabled persons can already use a crossbow during archery season.

Please contact the AZGFD at:

Jay Cook, Regional Supervisor FOR6

Address: Arizona Game and Fish Department 7200 E. University Dr. Mesa, Arizona 85207

Telephone: (480) 324-3540 Fax: (480) 324-3596

E-mail: JCook@azgfd.gov

Thank you for your assistance!

Scar.

From: Scar Finga
20-Mar-18
Bump to the top

From: bowbender77
20-Mar-18
Stop the no bowhunting within a 1/4 mile from a residence rule.

From: Scar Finga
20-Mar-18
That as well for sure! they keep taking an inch, and we lose a mile! Send it too the same guy!!!! I will do mine tomorrow, we need to unite on all fronts, we don't have to like each other, but we need to get along and fight! (bowbender, this was not directed at you or anybody else, just a general statement!)

20-Mar-18
Done...The residence rule, not so much!

From: Scar Finga
21-Mar-18
Thanks Ike!

22-Mar-18

Arizonabowhunter's Link
The attached link discusses the rulemaking process. The final decision will be made on May 4th, 2018. We have ample time and opportunity to put a stop to this.

Here is an excerpt from the link:

Comment periods: The public has three opportunities in which to submit comments to the Commission: 1). Any time. Comments received by the Department are placed in the rule record and will be considered by the next review or Rulemaking team. 2). During the thirty (30) day public comment period immediately following the publication of the proposed rules in the AAR. Once a proposed rule is published, the public has at least thirty (30) days to submit comments to the Department concerning the rule. 3). At a Commission Meeting. A blue ‘speaker slip’ is required and are available to the public at each Commission Meeting.

Here's how YOU can help make a difference:

1 Write a letter. Send it to Rulemaking@azgfd.gov

2 Tell your friends. If they agree, have them write a letter as well.

3 If you are part of any hunting organization in Arizona, mention the issue to them. Find out where they stand, and if or how they can help. We need as much support, unity, and backing as possible.

4 Attend the next commissioners meeting, april 6 & 7th. The more support we can show the better chances we will have.

Thus far some other groups are getting involved as well. The Pope & Young Club has already taken action and is backing some local groups such as the Arizona Bowhunter's Association.

22-Mar-18

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Here is the official position statement from the Arizona Bowhunter's Association.

Arizona Bowhunter’s Association

Position statement regarding pre-charged pneumatic weapons:

The Arizona Bowhunters Association was founded for the purpose of representing the growing number of bow hunters during the mid-nineteen seventies. Archers and hunters across the world have become immensely passionate about the challenge and reward associated with bowhunting. The time and dedication spent practicing, hours and days in the field studying the quarry, and countless failures involved trying to get into close-quarters with our bows. Archery and bowhunting require dedication, discipline, patience and skill which makes the reward even greater in the end.

Today the Arizona Game and Fish Department has passed an amendment to the crossbow permit which allows for a gun to be used in an archery season.

R12-4-216 Crossbow Permit "The Commission proposes to amend the rule to allow a Crossbow Permit holder to use a pre-charged pneumatic weapon, as defined under R12-4-301, using bolts or arrows for the take of wildlife. This change is proposed as a result of customer comments received by the Department."

A “pre-charged pneumatic weapon” is not a piece of archery equipment, even if it discharges a bolt or arrow. If we define some of these important terms, it will create positive insights into what this regulation actually entails.

Per Merriam-Webster dictionary,

A FIREARM is defined as: a weapon from which a shot is discharged by gunpowder —usually used of small arms

ARCHERY is defined as: 1: the art, practice, or skill of shooting with bow and arrow

2: an archer's weapons

3: a body of archers

A BOW is defined as: a weapon that is used to propel an arrow and that is made of a strip of flexible material (such as wood) with a cord connecting the two ends and holding the strip bent

BOWHUNTING is defined as: hunting especially of large game animals (such as deer) done with bow and arrow

An AIR RIFLE is defined as: a rifle whose projectile (such as a BB or pellet) is propelled by compressed air or carbon dioxide

As we put the pieces together, it is easy to conclude that a “pre-charged pneumatic weapon” is not a firearm because it does not use gunpowder. Archery is the art, practice, and skill of shooting a bow and arrow. We can also conclude that a “pre-charged pneumatic weapon” is not a bow because it does not have an flexible material which places tension on a string. Since a “pre-charged pneumatic weapon” is not a bow, it should not be allowed for use in bowhunting. However, we can conclude that a “pre-charged pneumatic weapon” is an Air Rifle, because it propels a projectile via compressed air.

The Pope & Young Club has very clear, specific definitions for hunting bows and hunting equipment which exclude an “Airbow” from being acceptable for hunting. https://pope-young.org/bowhunting/equipment.asp

The Arizona Bowhunter’s Association and bowhunters in Arizona are passionate about bowhunting because of the challenge involved. If this amendment passes, it will provide a tremendous advantage over not only traditional recurve & compound archers, but crossbow hunters as well. Bringing an air rifle into an archery hunt not only goes against the concept of an archery season/hunt but disrespects the animal’s right to fair chase in that season.

FAIR CHASE, as defined by Pope & Young Club and the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals. The Arizona Bowhunter’s Association’s Mission Statement for many years has been, “To foster, perpetuate, and expand bowhunting and bowhunting ethics in Arizona.”

Today we stand united as the voice of over 50,000 concerned bowhunters across Arizona who want to protect bowhunting ethics and preserve fair chase by preventing the use of a high-powered air gun during an archery hunt which would surely give a hunter an improper advantage over such animals during an archery season

22-Mar-18

Arizonabowhunter's Link
The attached link contains all of the current commissioners. Please send your letters to all of them.

22-Mar-18
After speaking to Mr. Cook at AZGFD it seems there is not currently much resistance to this. The initial vote by the 5 commissioners was 5-0.

Better get things in motion quickly. At this point it will be approved for disabled hunters. It is important to note that there is already and approved weapon for disabled hunters in Arizona. The Crossbow

As mentioned on another thread using the word Air-“bow” as a description of this product is nothing more than a marketing word from the creators. There is no BOW in any part of this product.

22-Mar-18
Charlie: Stay positive my friend! Things are just getting under way. I have faith we can get some big organizations to support us and make some serious headway.

From: Ambush
22-Mar-18
Perhaps "Air-O-Gun" would be the better name. But an arrow GUN it is, without a doubt.

From: JL
22-Mar-18
What is the counter argument? Who was pushing this and why? Is there a certain type of handicap that prevents certain disabilities from even using a crossbow? Just trying to see all perspectives.....

From: TheTone
22-Mar-18
My guess is that its being pushed by the manufacturer and not by a person or people that need to use one.

22-Mar-18
As stated in the NPRM, "This change is proposed as a result of customer comments received by the Department"

I would argue that a CHAMP hunter would have difficulty using a crossbow. Therefore the air gun would be an alternative. However, disabled hunters who meet CHAMP criteria are provided their own (CHAMP) hunting seasons where they can use any firearm/crossbow/air gun of their choosing.

From: Scar Finga
22-Mar-18

Scar Finga's Link
Here is a link to contact all the Commissioners fro AZFG! Drive them nuts with emails!

I do want to add that these gentlemen are volunteers, so please only address the issue and be kind with your words. Please don't call it a bow... call it an air rifle, that's what it is.

Thank You!

From: JL
22-Mar-18
The below is on AFGD Form 2739A, Rev 1/15. I'm not familiar with the AZ CHAMP hunting seasons. Do any, most or all of them occur when it is likely to be cold or snow on the ground hampering the mobility of the disabled person? I'm wondering if those CHAMP hunters pushing for this are affected by inclement/cold weather and need the good weather an early Archery season provides?? I suspect if that is indeed the case, they might very well be successful. Rightly or wrongly, I would think disabled/handicapped folks tend to get favorable considerations on the eyes of the govt.

""APPLICATION FOR CHAMP PERMIT FEE: NONE The Arizona Game and Fish Department may issue a CHAMP Permit to those who have a severe permanent disability or mental disabilities resulting from amputation, arthritis, autism, blindness, burn injury, cancer, cerebral palsy, cystic fibrosis, intellectual disability, muscular dystrophy, musculoskeletal disorders, neurological disorders, paraplegia, pulmonary disorders, quadriplegia and other spinal cord conditions, sickle cell anemia, and end stage renal disease or a combination of permanent disabilities resulting in comparable substantial functional limitations.""

From: Scar Finga
22-Mar-18

Scar Finga's Link
Gentlemen,

The Fish and Game ultimately reports to the Governor of AZ I have attached a link to email the Governor with your concerns. Stop the pneumatic weapons in AZ archery seasons! Your help is greatly appreciated and it only takes a few minutes!

Please help us!

From: nmwapiti
22-Mar-18
I e-mailed them all. Hoping for the best...

From: nmwapiti
22-Mar-18
Here's what I sent them...

Mr. Ammons,

Please reconsider the current Arizona initiative to include the airbow as an archery weapon. It is an air rifle in every sense. Just because it throws a bolt instead of a bullet doesn't make it a bow. Archers are proud of the difficulty and practice required to shoot archery equipment well. Probably the most challenging aspect is having to draw your bow (make a large motion) immediately before you shoot. This greatly increases your chances of detection by game. Then you must hold the bow under weight until you release the string. The airbow does not require any of these challenges. It might bring a few more people into the sport, but at the cost of what makes archery hunting unique.

Your neighbor, Jason

From: Scar Finga
23-Mar-18
nmwapiti,

Thank you for your post and actions to stop this.

Have a blessed day!

From: nmwapiti
23-Mar-18
Scar,

So this is interesting. I just got a phone call from a Jay Cook who works for commissioner Ammons. He said he was getting a lot of concern about the airbow and would like to talk if I had a few minutes. I told him sure. He said the only proposal they're considering right now is to allow the airbow for handicapped folks during the archery season and allow it during the any weapon hunts. He said it was NOT being considered as archery equipment. They saw it as very comparable to a crossbow and would have similar restrictions. I told him I didn't have any issues with handicapped folks using one and thanked him for contacting me, especially since I wasn't even a resident. That's a quick summary. Was probably a 5 minute phone call. Jason

From: Scar Finga
23-Mar-18
NMWAPITI,

Sending a PM now sir. Friday 5:30PM

From: Scar Finga
23-Mar-18
NMWAPITI,

That's crazy, I just left him a voice mail with my number as well as Hunters, He hasn't contacted me, and as far as I know, he hasn't contacted Hunter.

Thank you for the information sir!

23-Mar-18
He said hes out of town or busy over the weekend. Probably with the expo, but that he would call me next week.

From: Scar Finga
24-Mar-18
Excellent, Lets keep it moving!

From: nmwapiti
25-Mar-18
Got an e-mail from Kurt Davis. He asked why I thought the airbow would be more appropriate in the rifle season. Sent him a reply restating the differences between archery equipment and air rifles. Gotta say, this is the most feedback I've ever received from writing folks on any state's game commission.

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