Pope and Young Minimum Pics
Whitetail Deer
Do any of you guys have some pics of bucks that score right around 120-130? Just trying to put an image in my mind with a score to help in the field. Thanks, Matt
my 1st deer is not scored yet but he is right in there he is at the taxidermist sept 17 2010 i am 11
This buck is around 117".
Excellent job KC. over half the guys here on the bowsite, haven't shot a buck that nice.
This one might be mid 120's
Here's one my son arrowed last year. It grosses 134 3/8 and nets 128 5/8.
Geez! It takes a lot of bone to make Pope and Young! Those are all big deer. Thanks for the pics.
Looking over py bucks or around that 125" marker makes u realize how big the BIG ones are. Beacause everyone of those deer wouldnt walk by me without an arrow thrown if the shot was presented........
Here's one my buddy arrowed a couple of weeks ago that scored 128 with virtually no deductions.
This was my first whitetail, nets at 127".
My son shot this great buck last year in west Texas. Green he scored 125+ but after the 60 day drying period he went 124 6/8. Yip, 2/8 from being booked. Kind-a rough on ole dad being a scorer for P&Y and have to let your son know he was 2/8 away. Still a great buck.
Buck on left is 121 gross 114 6/8 net..middle is 141 gross 129 6/8 net...right is 135 3/8 gross 126 2/8 net.
132 5/8. Gross----126 2/3 net
Many very nice whitetails! It amazes me how big a buck really must be to make book. Congrats to all that have, and to those that came close. Nice deer one and all!
Please forgive my ignorance, as I'm sure I could google it, but does anybody care to enlighten me on the difference between "green," "gross," "net," and any other terms you tend to throw out when talking scores?
Are green and gross interchangable terms? Is net just the same measurement after a 60 day drying period?
Thanks!
130 & change gross -- 129 3/8 net
I haven't scored it yet but I will be lucky if he scores 125
SteveC, "Green" refers to the score before the 60 day drying period is up, gross or net.
"Gross" refers to the score before symmetry deductions are subtracted
"Net" refers to the score after symmetry deductions are subtracted
Nontypical points would be subtracted from his gross score as well, if he has them, for the net score. Unless he has a lot of NT points, then they may be included with the net typical for the nontypical score.
I may have confused you more.
This is my first Bow kill ever. Grossed 126-5/8, Net 124 5/8 (green score)
This wasn't a bow kill but I'm just as proud of this buck. This was my rifle buck last year. Had back to back very successful years for PA hunting. This 11 pt grossed 138-3/8 (green score)
All of these fall in the 120-134 range other than the top one that is 146.
202 2/8 gross. I shot in 2002 Kansas
it was hot the day I took him, so he went straight to the taxi, but I'm hoping to crack 125, my biggest bow kill yet.
Got this guy in 07, my first buck, grossed at 128 and change.
Mt gf's first deer ever, grossed mid 120's. Main frame 8 with lotsa junk.
This years Buck. I haven't scored him but I doubt he makes. P&Y
Oh wow I just realized I posted this 2 days ago..... SOrry for the double post
Mt gf's first deer ever, grossed mid 120's. Main frame 8 with lotsa junk.
127 1/8 gross, 125 2/8 net
Here is a killer and a great example of what deductions from non-symmetry will do for you. Grossed over 154 and netted P&Y 127+. I figure he had over 15 inches busted off.
Sorry for the crabby pic, lets try this one....
Yr.: 2000 Location: Western NY ;~) Gross: 133+ Net: 126+. Bow: Bighorn
This one 138 4/8
I know he is a little over the mark but I thought when I killed him I had a 150. Nope
Solocam better get someone to rescore that. Maybe they were using the centimeter side of the ruler.
It's amazing the percieved difference regional variations have on score. i.e. a Texas buck on a 150lb body looks quite impressive @ P&Y min, whereas a WI on MN buck pushing 250lb+ can look pretty 'average' for a nice buck and make the mark.
I agree--some of these look like much bigger than what you guys are saying..greg kush`s for example..the one with the kids in the picture..I can`t believe that buck only scores 128...with that mass he should be pushing 140..are you guys scoring these yourself?? here is mine from this year..went 139 gross..I guess pictures can be decieving..this buck was pushing 275lbs easy and I almost didn`t shoot him cause his rack looked small compared to his body..
158 6/8 pike county Ilinois oct.14th 2010
There is not a poor one in here. This was informative, congrats to all and thanks,
Seymour
First deer with a bow on the first night of bowhunting. Gross is right at 124.
does any one know who the youngest in maine is in p+y
I have not had this buck officially scored but I scored it at 130gross and 126 1/4 net. It should be really close to P&Y.
"I agree--some of these look like much bigger than what you guys are saying..greg kush`s for example..the one with the kids in the picture..I can`t believe that buck only scores 128...with that mass he should be pushing 140..are you guys scoring these yourself??"
The photo IS deceiving--he is long-arming it pretty good in that pic (and he is 6'8", so his arms are really long). My friend scored it correctly. The longest tine is not over 7 inches, the inside spread is only 15 inches, and the main beams are only something like 19.5 or 20 inches. I think the gross was 129 and change on the dang near perfectly symmetrical rack.
Over the years, I have seen a heck of a lot more over-scored deer on these forums than I have seen under-scored.
One time I shot a buck and my buddy informed me it wouldn't score well do to the fact it had a few "mis matched" points. To date, that deer is my favorite hunting memory. Hunting by the numbers....love it....just love it.
Great bucks everyone but nets are for fishing, gross score is what is impressive.
124 5/8 net, should've been 127+, but for broken eyeguard. This is as close to 125 as they get!
I "green" NET scored this guy at 139....a pro scorer and shrinkage will be different but I think he'll go P&Y but not by a lot.
One of the things that I have figured out after working with my uncle, who is an "official scorer", there are certain things that boost score quickly. For the deer in my part of the country, main beams and mass are by far the biggest factors. Rarely do we ever get a deer around here with more that 20" main beams or 4 1/2 -5" bases. And even if they do they do not carry the mass out to the end.
On the larger deer that I posted above, he had 15 7/8 right side and 16 3/8 left side main beams. If you give him 23-25 in beams like South Texas deer get, I would have had a 152-156 Gross animal with all other things being equal.
Left scored net exactly 125, right 105..
First buck, taxidermist told me he thought it was a pope and young but I am not sure. Anyone care to take a guess at what I got here?
Great first buck and congrats! I am an official Measurer and I don't think it will net over 125 which is minimum. You can go to the Pope & Young website and download the score sheet and on page 2 there are directions. If you follow those directions you will get a good idea!
As I said above, great first buck, my first 20 or so we're spikies and forked horns! Many more! C
I don't think he'll quite get there. He's a beautiful buck though and I'd be darn proud of him. Looks to me like he'll go an inch or two the short side of 120". Congrats on an awesome first buck!
Officially PY scored, 126 3/8
Thanks guys, it was an incredible experience. Been a big waterfowl hunter all my life and I had to retire my dog this year, which makes many of my spots Unhuntable. Always wanted to bow hunt, second day out I sat in a tree in the same spot I shot my first duck 14 years ago and my dog had his first retrieve 11 years ago. Still can't truly believe it.. Roots run deep and I got a lot of respect for the outdoors and this sport. Gonna let this guy grow hopefully I see him down the road
SE, Chase wishes you well. We are heading out to the duck pond at 3am.
my best, Paul
This one nets 133" I believe, I agree nets are for landing fish. He grosses over 160"s. Shawn
I don't have anything to show that nets between 125" and 130". I have, however, taken several near misses. All of the bucks shown gross over 120", but fall short of P&Y minimum.
This eight point has the beam and tine length to put him in the running, but falls short on mass.
This eight point has a heavy rack throughout, but short brow tines and sub 20" beams break the deal.
This nine point's score suffers from the 9th point and sub 20" main beam lengths.
Here's a fooler! This ten point only has 18" beams and average mass. My closest "near miss" on net score.
This buck is my highest grossing near miss at 130"+, but the substantial differences in tine lengths between the G2s and G3s knock the net score down under 120".
Those are some examples of what not to shoot if your goal is a P&Y qualifier!
BTW, I was very happy with each and every one of those bucks. Same great bowhunting memories as my bucks that do have P&Y certificates on the wall next to them. It's all about the hunt!
I shot this buck on Oct 12th. Unfortunately never found him till Nov 21st. He grossed 132"
Sleepy, your buck may score 110-115"s. Nice buck but short main beams and not the tine length need to get to 125"s. Shawn
Great mass but narrow and short beams. 123 5/8 net.
Does anyone want to take a guess on if this is close to Pope and young
Stone,
I think he will be close. Hard to count points in that picture. Looks like he has more points on the left than right, and maybe a split tine? He's got really good mass, width, decent length. Measure him up and see.
And that's a great buck, no matter what the score!
I will say he is close, hard to tell mass from pics. He may gross over 125"s but net maybe not. I would say no if I had to give an answer. Shawn
This one grossed 125 2/8 and netted 122 1/8.
Not a great pic. but this one grossed 131 and nets 128"s. Shawn
This is a great thread. it's amazing to me, when people who have not seen a good number of P and Y deer see a buck that is not close or is just barely PY.. They think it's like 150+!
This is a great "reminder" that getting into the 120's is harder than you may think!
Wow old thread. There's a lot of deer in here that look no where near what they are being said to score as well just goes to show who knows deer has to be even for the most part. There are a few that look bigger also but camera angles and odd points and only a 8 main frame is hard to make it in. It hurts when you think you have contenders for minimal and when the measurer says gee I'm sorry it just don't make it but it's a great deer. You knew it was a great deer that's why you were even going through the process of getting him measured.LOL Who knows more than the guy that's been doing this for a while. I had one measured and was told you know if you break that point of it will make it. No thanks that paper don't mean what the animal meant to me on that deer he had a drop tine.he was an 8 pt frame and only 18 inch's wide heavy rack. I could not visualize that deer without that drop tine. I just laughed and so did he. I asked really someone would do that? He said you would be surprised at some of the things we get to see.LOL
The animals are what they are and if your blessed enough to shoot a deer that's even close that should be enough but in some circles it's not. I have 4 right now myself I'd like to get measured and one alone was measured SCI 161 3/8 full score 13 points but I doubt if it is anywhere near that high 130's guessing its a non typical. I like the SCI score or even buck masters.LOL
It will be nice if I get a couple papers but whatever not going to be upset if they don't I've already had a couple animals just miss minimal scores on 3 animals a Lion, Caribou and another deer so I already know what that feels like to have the measurer say I'm sorry I tried just can't do t. Rightfully so great animals but not good enough for P and Y.
