snellpastor's Link
Camping World has just pulled their support for "Celebrity Apprentice" due to the fact that Donald Trump's son went hunting. It is time to let them know we will be pulling our business from them.
You may do so by going to the link on this post. Here is what I wrote. Please join me and let them know such a stance - especially by a company dedicated to the outdoors - will hurt them directly in the pocketbook.
Here is my post:
Dear Camping World,
Please know that as both an avid camper AND an avid hunter, you will no longer be getting my business due to your stance against against hunting. Hunters are key conservationists. They feed themselves and many others (often the homeless and poor). Each year hunters pour millions of dollars into local economies and, through their fees and licenses, pay for the expansion of wildlife habitat, the growth of key species populations, and the protection of endangered wildlife from poaching and other dangers. Due to hunters, whitetail deer populations are higher than when Columbus discovered America, Elk herds are growing, and game bird populations thrive. Hunters do this all at no burden to the American people, in ways that create jobs and, at the same time, without the need to increase taxes in order to raise the funds which would be needed to underwrite the work they willingly do - and pay to do. I am extremely disappointed in you pulling your endorsement from Celebrity Apprentice over Mr. Marcus Lemonis' misguided view on hunting and therefore exercise my right, as a consumer, to express my displeasure pulling all of my business from you until Mr. Lemonis educates himself about the vital role hunting plays in wildlife conservation and refers his efforts to bully people into an anti-hunting stance.
Sincerely, Tim Snell Appleton, WI.
To clarify our position, Camping World as America’s Largest Outdoor company, believes in personal freedom. In this country, people are free to choose. This issue at hand is not about whether people should be able to hunt or not. Our company is neither for nor against hunting. We are for personal choice and having people enjoy the outdoors in whatever fashion they choose. However, in our opinion, if and when the hunting of endangered species occurs, whether in the United States or abroad, it is not acceptable to even the most avid of hunters. We remain strong in our conviction of preserving the outdoors, protecting our great country's lands and the freedom to choose.
Thank you, Camping World Customer Care
FYI.............JJ
Camping World:
Let me get this straight. You are a retailer of outdoor equipment and, because adult children of a T.V. show owner went to Africa to legally hunt animals, you pulled your ad support from the T.V. show? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Do you know that most of your customers support hunting? Do you know that hunters were the first and still are the only true conservationists? As a supporter of legal hunting throughout the world, I will not be a supporter of any business that does not support hunting.
Thank-you for your time.
Yep. And one of my personal choices is to no longer do business with Camping World.
As business owner servicing R-V . I am pulling my support of Camping World and will recommend to all my customers not to support Camping World.... The reason is that I and most of my customers support and hunt and you do not. Respectfully Ed Rogalski
I realize that it is your option as a company to endorse whomever you wish and I am quite dissapointed in your recent decision to pull all advertising from the Apprentice television show. I too will exercise my freedom of choice and no longer support your company with my buisness. As a photographer and journalist I will also exercise my freedom of speech and go out of my way to NOT endorse your company and I will make it a point to disuade people from your services and products. As a side note, your PR person needs a memo of who your core clientele is.
Follow up response:
Mr. Latter,
To clarify our position, Camping World as America’s Largest Outdoor company, believes in personal freedom. In this country, people are free to choose. This issue at hand is not about whether people should be able to hunt or not. Our company is neither for nor against hunting. We are for personal choice and having people enjoy the outdoors in whatever fashion they choose. However, in our opinion, if and when the hunting of endangered species occurs, whether in the United States or abroad, it is not acceptable to even the most avid of hunters. We remain strong in our conviction of preserving the outdoors, protecting our great country's lands and the freedom to choose.
People and companies need to get their facts straight.
Bake
Here's the link to the only positive article I have found. It's from the NRA magazine..
http://www.nrahuntersrights.org/Article.aspx?id=6266
"I'm very dissapointed with your stance on the Trump boys legally hunting african game. Your information about the killing of endangered species is incorrect. Its ashamed you don't have better control over your company. I will not purchase anything from Camping World until your policy toward legal hunting changes." Mike
Joe
This is in regards to your company pulling advertising/support from Donald Trump's TV show, "Celebrity Apprentice".
Are you serious? Did anyone on your staff do any home work? If so, you need to provide me with better information as to why you are doing this! Because resaons stated do not support your actions.
You are most likely being bombarded by sportsman & outdoorsman, concerning thier displeasure and outrage over this matter. Know that any percieved infringement on our way of life will envoke this type of response. And we will respond!
I therefore will go out of my way to stop any and all business with your company and the products you sell. In addition, I will encourage everyone I know to do likewise until you wise up and realize what you just did to all Sportsman!
I just sent them a note telling them I would never purchase from them again.
Dear Camping World Leadership, I just heard you have made the decision to stop sponsoring a TV show (Celebrity Apprentice) because the star of the show has a grown son that legally hunted game in Africa and furthermore your company is spreading blantant untruths that the game was endangered. Your fact finding efforts before making your decision is appalling and unprofessional. Your company has made a ridiculous and detrimental decision. So therefore you have made your stance, we will be making ours. From now on, I nor none of my family will be patronizing your establishments, nor your online stores. As a matter of fact I am an RV'er also and club member of several RV organizations with thousands of members, (one of which is the Good Sam Club among others). My fellow sportsmen and RV'ers plan on communicating your actions over many websites and spread the word over the internet. Your company not supporting sportsman, is a decision not to support the very group that is responsible for the best wildlife recovery and wildlife habitat success story the world has ever known. I sincerly hope your leadership will reconsider their hasty decision and publically offer a formal appology. That is the only way your company will ever get it's respect and good name back. Think about it. Do you really want to wear this kind of distasteful reputation with the public ?
I did see a picture somewhere of one of the trump boys holding a really nice dead leopard guess that is what got CW up in arms.
Personally I wish it where I holding that dead leopard,Had to be fun.
e-mail sent!!!
Do you realize that the great majority of campers are also sportsmen and women that HUNT???
I will not support your business because you have taken sides with the ridiculous anti-hunting community.
Enjoy your veggie burger and "patent leather".
This is the reply i just received....
Mr. Leahy, to clarify our position, Camping World, as America's Largest Outdoor Company, believes in personal freedom. In this country, people are free to choose. This issue at hand is not about whether people should be able to hunt or not. Our company is not against hunting. We are for personal choice and having people enjoy the outdoors in whatever fashion they choose. However, in our opinion, if and when the hunting of endagered species occurs, whether in the U.S. or abroad, it is not acceptable to even the most avid hunters. We will remain strong in our conviction of preserving the outdoors, protecting our great country's lands, and the freedom to choose.
Thank you, Camping World Customer Care
Did anyone receive the exact same email? I was wondering if they are sending out a form response....
These people are unbelievably stupid! I hope we can collectively bankrupt them...Keep the emails going...
StickFlicker's Link
email sent.
This is going to hurt business. 8^)
Ron Reddon's Link
http://www.facebook.com/campingworld
I will spread the word.
Camping World is the name of nascar's truck racing program....
We must let nascar know how we feel!!!!
Some people (tree huggers) are clueless!
Shoot Str8 and Stay Safe
Jeff
As a hunter and fisherman, as well as a loyal Nascar fan I am disgusted with your decision, and view of hunting and conservation.
I have been a loyal member of your Presidents club, for my hunting and camping supplies, I have now impeached myself from your Presidents club and will by my products elsewhere
Kyle
Then when hunters and fishermen google or do a Facebook search for camping supplies hopefully they will see the Facebook page????
Thoughts???
Pat, my hat is off to you. The business of living is leverage. Thanks for using yours.
Pat Lefemine for President!
I have over 1500 Facebook friends and over 200 linked in contacts all that are either into hunting and fishing.
"""Camping World I own a 36ft. Raptor 5th wheel and another 24 ft. 5th wheel both solely used to camp while I hunt!!!
Listen carefully I will never repeat never purchase a single product for your company....
I honestly believe your hasty decision will create very poor downfall for your company.
I have no idea who in your senior leadership team made this decision but I would think at least one of you would have looked to see that there are over 15 million hunters and well over 30 million people who fish per year.
The Trumps did hunt in a legal manner they had a license and permit that allowed them to hunt every single one of those animals.
I understand you have a choice who to use for advertising and not to advertise for.
But we as legal ethical hunters (As the Trumps are) have a choice as well. My choice is to never use Camping World again)
Sincerely,
Kelly S. Harris
Avid legal & ethical hunter for 41 years!"""
I've also sent the emails to Marcus and got the stock reply. I've also made a few comments on their FB page. I also understand that Camping World sponsors a NASCAR team. Is anyone here big NASCAR fans? I don't know which forums are the best or most popular, but it would be great to spread this word on those forums as well. I have to believe that many, many NASCAR fans are hunters and outdoorsmen. and women.
Dave N.
Of course, I'd prefer not to do business with them.
Alternatives?
I would bet that most NASCAR Owners and Drivers have been to africa and hunted many of those "endagered" species
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nascar/2006-06-07-sw-childress-cover_x.htm
Here is NASCARS email [email protected]
To whom it may concern, I has come to my attention that Camping World has pulled out as a sponsor of a the Apprentice because the star ( Trump) kids have killed and hunted animals. From TMZ Camping World CEO Marcus Lemonis tells TMZ, the company's TV spots already aired on this season of "Celebrity Apprentice" -- but he insists, "I wouldn't spend another nickel with them."
Marcus adds, "I am totally disgusted by the [hunting] pics I have seen and was surprised to see them ... Money is spent but wow I'm really shocked."
If this is the case. If Camping World has pulled their money from the Truck series due to "[hunting] pics"...then I will be pulling my money and will not be watching ANY or going to ANY truck races. I would like to request a list of any drivers OR owners that have a direct sponsorship link to Camping world (stickers,hoods, anything) so that I can not make them apart of MY world To thank you WIl
Marcus adds, "I am totally disgusted by the [hunting] pics I have seen and was surprised to see them ... Money is spent but wow I'm really shocked."
...so the pics were the problem not just the fact that it was threatened species...
keep's Link
Message sent!
Awaiting the arrival of my form letter!
http://www.examiner.com/rving-in-national/hunters-back-trump-and-threaten-to-boycott-camping-world
I chuckle at the article which BigWave linked to this thread. It claims that comments on Facebook are evenly divided.....yet people are stating that their comments are not being posted, or are being pulled.....which doesn't support an evenly divided stance.....
I recently accepted an invitation to speak in front of a federation of sportsman.....the gist of this article will now preface my talk.
Jake
As a active outdoorsman who fully supports conservation in hunting and recreational activities in the outdoors I am very distressed and perplexed that you have boycotted a show for having people legally hunt a non endagered species.
The groups I belong to fully support the protection of endangered species and work hard to conserve game habitat for all species. As a Canadian and conservationist/hunter I have notified all the members of the ATV, hunting, camping and Geocaching groups I belong to and urged all our members, over ten thousand strong, and member associations to not purchase products from your company while we travel and vacation, either online or in store, thoughout your great nation. It is every company's right to market itself in what ever way they deem fit based on their strategy but it is generally in the company's best interest to make decisions based upon facts.
To all my Friends who hunt and use RV's. Alert! please buoycott Camping world and the Camping world/Nascar truck series. They have pulled sponsorship of The Celebrity Apprentice show because Donald Trump's kids LEGALLY hunted and killed animals in Africa.
They are spreading mis-information and lies regarding what happened. They are pulling pro-hunting posts from their facebook page as well as posts that give the true facts of the legality of what the Trump Boys Hunted!
Please write Camping world and Tell them you will never purchase from them again and will never go to or watch a Camping World/nascar truck event, and will tell all your friends who hunt and use RV's to never purchase from Camping world again!
Thanks.
StickFlicker's Link
There are plenty of other camping supply houses to buy from.
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/25899573.cfm
Then sent Marcus Lemonis,the chairman and CEO of the company this email:
Hello Marcus,
I am sorry but I felt I had to vent about the anti-hunting. I have been a hunter and fisherman 60 years. There seems to be a growing antagonism against hunters with the liberal generation that has graduated from big city liberal colleges. There are a lot of us that grew up in small towns or the country that still have old ways and traditional values. It is politically correct to look down on us as we are seen as simple rednecks that like to kill animals. If you would just read what hunters and fishermen have done to restore and protect wildlife as opposed to what the anti's have done for their benefit, you would be surprised. Hunters spend untold dollars and time because they love wildlife, not because they hate it.
Anti-hunters do nothing but denigrate us and certainly little for animals. I get a bang out of PETA and The HSUS making commercials that draw on peoples sympathies that only line their own pockets. Were it not for hunters, there would be far more endangered and extinct species. Sorry you have taken this route instead of just letting your sponsorship expire quietly as no one would know but you made it an issue.
Bill Kissner
Dear NASCAR, You are about to have a public relations nightmare on your hands. Camping World, the sponsor of your truck series, has recently pulled advertising from a television show (Celebrity Apprentice) because one of Mr. Trump's sons was involved in a legal hunt for big game in Africa. They have stated that their stance is anti-hunting. I don't know if they realize how many campers and NASCAR fans are also hunters. In response to their actions, hunters worldwide are refusing to purchase products from Camping World, and are refusing to support any endeavors they sponsor or are affiliated with - including the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series. That includes tickets to races and all merchandise sales. I hope the winning drivers enjoy the cheers of the other teams while in the winners circle, because there won't be much noise coming from the empty grandstands.
I wanted to take time this morning to respond to the numerous email's I received over the weekend.
First and Foremost I want to appoligize for offending all of you. That was not my intent.
To be clear, and for the record, I am not against hunting. I am in favor of legal hunting. Additionally, I am well aware that if it were not for the hunting community, our preservation of wildlife and conservation of the areas would be much further behind where it is today. I am in full favor of one thing, ones right to choose what he or she does.
I realize that I have upset many of you and that was not my intention.
The purpose of this letter this morning is not driven by business but my concern that people feel that I would question their rights or their choice to live their life the way they want.
Lastly, as my apology is sincere, I would ask that feedback that threatens me or my family stop. The passion behind this issue is clear and for the record I agree with your rights. This does not however warrant some of the very threatening email's regarding my safety or anyone else's.
Again, I sincerely appoligize for offending any of you. I realize that most of you will not accept this and I hope over time we can reconcile.
Marcus
I read nothing about threating you or your family, and it has everything to do with business going south now! Loser!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this authentic....? And if it is, one question: You state that "....I am in favor of legal hunting." What part of Trump's hunt was illegal....? And to my knowledge, no one from Bowsite has threatened anyone.
But he is basically saying that he doesn't care what we think and that their stance won't change, and he hopes (expects) that after a little time and we calm down, then we'll be back, buying from them as usual....
I look forward to your expose on this topic.....
Jake
markbrit's Link
The original quote by Mr. Lemonis was enough to show his true colors and I will severe any relationship with the company he is CEO of.
Just an FYI I was a subscriber of Trailer Life magazine but I will be cancelling that today. Also anyone who is a member of Good Sam club should reconsider.
Nothing personal, just a business I choose not to support.
Your apology is for 'offending all of you'? Really. You stand by your press release that is grossly inaccurate to the point of being either incompetent or intentionally misleading and all your marketing people can come up with is 'sorry for offending you"?
First, I am not offended. Your company's statements in the press release specifically implied that you were discontinuing a business association due to the hunting of endangered animals, and that we should all find that either illegal or immoral. As a businessman you could have discontinued that relationship for any reason you chose, but you chose to pick hunting. Therefore, you picked a fight with the hunting community.
By now you should have realized, or at least someone should have told you, that the hunt in question was both legal and moral, and the animals hunted were not endangered in that region. We have elk in Oklahoma. Not many, but a few. We would consider elk in Oklahoma to be 'endangered' and tend to protect them. Not so the elk in Colorado, where there are open hunting seasons on them. Can you understand that concept?
In your press release you threw out the tried and tested 'freedom to choose' line. Remember sir, that line is a two edged sword. We sportsmen also have that freedom. As a now former Good Sam member I have already sent in my choice to not associate with those who are either incompetent or dishonest.
Lastly, let me offer my apology to you for any in the hunting community that went over the line with any personal verbal statements about you and/or your family. Some folks don't realize how insignificant you or your decision on advertising really are and tend to overreact.
I wish you the best in your efforts to bring negative attention to yourself and your company while continuing your tilt against legal hunting in Africa.
~Troy
I'd also like to ask if Marcus feels he owes the Trump family an apology for taking this issue into the public forum, focusing all the hatred, invective and threats against them that they've been receiving from animal rights extremists since he's made his public pronouncement?
How about it, Marcus, what do you think your responsibility is in the threats the Trumps are now recipients of? Are you publicly asking your animal rights pals to stop threatening Trump's family? I haven't seen any public pronouncement from Marcus demanding those threats be quelled.
Sorry, but you pretty much burned your bridges with many in the hunting community and you'll be lucky to ever rebuild them. You made a choice. You made your bed, now lie in it, until it's repossessed, of course. The people you chose to side with, rarely go outside of the concrete jungle and aren't your target customers.
I haven't ever purchased anything from any of your sites, but have been on them on several occasions looking for things, but I guarantee, your sites are all in my router's blacklist, so I won't make the mistake of going on any of them again.
Someone said the Trumps ought to simply buy out Camping World. Now that would be hilarious to see Trump say to Marcus: YOU'RE FIRED!
Guys ... the fact that Marcus posted here tells us that this is hurting his pocketbook. Don't let the pressure up until he apologizes AND demonstrates a pro-hunting stance through solid pro-hunting sponsorships (perhaps by becoming a sponsor on bowsite!)
Good Morning,
I wanted to take time this morning to respond to the numerous email's I received over the weekend.
First and Foremost I want to appoligize for offending all of you. That was not my intent.
To be clear, and for the record, I am not against hunting. I am in favor of legal hunting. Additionally, I am well aware that if it were not for the hunting community, our preservation of wildlife and conservation of the areas would be much further behind where it is today. I am in full favor of one thing, ones right to choose what he or she does.
I realize that I have upset many of you and that was not my intention.
The purpose of this letter this morning is not driven by business but my concern that people feel that I would question their rights or their choice to live their life the way they want.
Lastly, as my apology is sincere, I would ask that feedback that threatens me or my family stop. The passion behind this issue is clear and for the record I agree with your rights. This does not however warrant some of the very threatening email's regarding my safety or anyone else's.
Again, I sincerely appoligize for offending any of you. I realize that most of you will not accept this and I hope over time we can reconcile.
Marcus
Nick Muche's Link
I have not had the time to email accordingly and will, but the only apology I would ever accept is if and when you publicly apologize on your website for skewing the truth and basically lying to the public. Your company will never receive any business from me or anyone that I can possibly influence.
In your botched apology above, you never mention how wrong your interpretation of the laws and truth are. Most, if not all of us can see right through you. I DO NOT accept your apology as its full of holes.
Why would someone with such and outdoorsy type business ever cross one of the largest outdoor communities? Not a very good business plan.
All posts on CW's Facebook page have been removed and it looks as if no one is allowed to post anything at this time.
I want to thank Pat L for providing a place where we can come together as a hunting community to rally against those that would threaten our passion.
Pat, you're the boss around here, but if it were me, there wouldn't be enough money in the world to make Camping World a sponsor of Bowsite. It's obvious from this joker's responses that we don't need folks like this. They need us, and our money. We don't need them. There is not a product that they have that cannot be sourced elsewhere. I would seek out sponsorship from their largest competitor. Like you need my advice. ;o)
Mr. Thompson;
To clarify our position, Camping World as America’s Largest Outdoor company, believes in personal freedom. In this country, people are free to choose. This issue at hand is not about whether people should be able to hunt or not. Our company is neither for nor against hunting. We are for personal choice and having people enjoy the outdoors in whatever fashion they choose. However, in our opinion, if and when the hunting of endangered species occurs, whether in the United States or abroad, it is not acceptable to even the most avid of hunters. We remain strong in our conviction of preserving the outdoors, protecting our great country's lands and the freedom to choose.
Thank you,
Camping World Customer Care
So, apparently it is your opinion that the hunting of endangered species occurred? Exactly what is that opinion based upon? I would like to know, because obviously I would need to check with Camping World on endangered species in this region of Africa, rather than the governments, guides, and hunters in that region. Specifically, what regions of Africa is Camping World an authority on with respect to endangered species?
Troy
But he is right, his postion was made clear, as soon as they took their first action in dropping the show and making the very first statement.....
Doesn't change anything.
This is copied from TMZ's site. These are your very words. Are you now refuting them?
Camping World CEO Marcus Lemonis tells TMZ, the company's TV spots already aired on this season of "Celebrity Apprentice" -- but he insists, "I wouldn't spend another nickel with them."
Marcus adds, "I am totally disgusted by the [hunting] pics I have seen and was surprised to see them ... Money is spent but wow I'm really shocked."
Mr. Marcus also responded poorly to the initial response fromt the hunting community. He appears to have apologized. Who amongst us haven't responded poorly to events in our family, work, or social settings. I responded very poorly to events of my employment a year ago. I, untentiionally caused my boss deep pain. It took me some time to realize how wrong I was. I have since retired, but some time ago I text her an apology. She accepted, and when my daughter died from cancer two months ago today, my ex-boss came to my daughter's funeral.
I think it would be good to have him as a sponsor of this site. I think it would be even better to see CW sponsor some archery events, especially for kids.
This could turn out to be a win, win for everybody. A good learning experience for all.
If I were a perfect person, I might feel differently, but I err frequently in what I say and what I do. If I offend others, I apologize and go on.
I know I am going to catch holy hell for this post. This is America. One of the few countries where spirited debate is allowed. So to those who want to throw arrows at me for my opinion, please send them USPS, and make sure they are hickory, 29", spined 55#, 23/64. I have thick skin and can handle anything you shoot my way.
Posts like this, and others, are why it is such a pleasure to spend time on Bowsite. It is also why I make it a point to check the Bowsite sponsor list when considering making a purchase. While the piddling amount of money I am able to spend will make a difference to no one, I can at least rest assured that it goes to the right kind of people. Thanks for a great site, and being a stand-up guy, Pat.
I am sure he will greatly regret it.
Pat, I applaud your decision, as a Sponsor, a hunter, and a Bowsiter! You Rock!
Best of Luck, Jeff
I'll agree with most here, He made his companies position known, and we've made ours.
You put the ball in his court fair and square. It would be great to see him sponsor a group as you mentioned. I don't know where my daughter heard it, but she always said, "when something bad happens, something good will come from it".
It will be interesting to see if he accepts your challange.
Let me just say- YOU ROCK!!!
Mr. Marcus-
I sincerely believe you could turn this into a very profitable moment for your company, if you do as Pat has suggested. You've generated a lot of mentions of your company's name in cyberspace and elsewhere with the current situation. I'd never heard of your company before this- but I certainly won't be forgetting it anytime soon.
There is a very good chance many hunters who had never heard of CW before will start doing business with you if you do as Pat has suggested. You might lose some business from the anti-hunting population base if you do, but it would be hard to believe that segment of your market could hold a candle to the segment that supports hunting.
Ultimately- your stance should be what you sincerely believe in, if you are any kind of man. Either go anti-hunting or go pro-hunting with your position, and accept the consequences. To paraphrase Mr. Miyagi, if you try to stay in the middle of the road, you will end up "squash like grape." (And please note- that was a reference to a metaphor in the "Karate Kid" movie, not a personal threat of any kind to you or anyone you know.)
Cool. No one is saying he/they don't have those rights.
He is simply neglecting the fact that we as consumers ALSO have free speech and free rights. We have the right to tell him/them they ARE insulting to put it kindly, and we choose not to do business with them anymore. We will also encourage our friends and family to do the same.
There is free speech and choice...... and everyone can and should be held accountable for their speech and choices.
Obviously they feel they are above all that. So they now resort to being the victim, a victim of their very own speech, their very own choices.
I have no sympathy for a situation of his own creation. And a lame azzed "apology" that now claims victim status in the same statement is classless.
we as the hunting community were not Offended by your words and actions. you can say we we disappointed, confused, and maybe angered by your decisions. WE don't get offended, so keep your apology. WE leave the being offended to Hollywood Politically Correct crowd-types.
your response was wishy washy hogwash, imo. Trying to save face with the hunting community, with an unsolicited apology without changing your stance on the contraversy you created, was spineless. If you in in full favor of one's right to choose as they want, why did you pull your advertising or make those comments in the first place?
If I'm correct it looks like CW lots about half of its facebook audience since this hit the net.
And then we can all presume & hope that his anti-hunting remarks will stay in our minds forever. Because "His" original words will never change his own opinion, no matter how much apologizing he does now.
Let the boycott of Camping World continue !!
Marcus,
The actions you have taken for your company is in total disgust with many of us.
You stated that you pulled your advertising because of the photos, but I also heard you were going to pull it anyway?
Lets call it how it is. You thought you would have a cute marketing scheme by playing the anti-hunting card to gain public favor. Well how has that worked out for you?
Apparently that has backfired in a much larger way than you ever thought I am sure.
What I think you failed to realize is the solidarity of us as hunters. We are always under constant attack and have been for a long time by the anti uneducated folks. You have failed to see that those anti's that you tried to gain for financial gains are pretty much extremist and a very ill-rational group many times. They promote hunting in the same light as animal cruelty (dogs & cats being mistreated).
When you slam two hunters who had bought the permits and paid for the license and did everything by legal definition you showed us that YOU DO NOT support hunting at all.
Your ill attempt at trying to put out the fire you created is only showing me more disgust with your company.
As Pat said if you were sincere and not shallow you would reach out to hunting organizations not from the largest bowhunting website globally and try and pay for a sponsorship to make a mends.
Honestly if Pat accepted your sponsorship I would have issues with that as well as the issues I have with you sir. I don't believe in anyone (Paying for an apology) Kobe Bryant does that!!!!
As I stated on your facebook wall I own 2 campers. Well Sir my hunting lease has about 6 campers on it as well. They also will never purchase anything again.
If you want to look at what animal cruelty is all about google Michael Vick dog fighting.
I have gotten tremendous feedback on my inbox on my Facebook about the direction your company took.
Please take the high road and do not back peddle is shows little strength in you as a man!!!
Now I have a request for all bowsiters on here and anyone else who may read this.
This man has a right to make his choices as he likes we have the right to disagree or agree no matter how stupid we find them.
Please do not be so stupid to threaten this man or his family not is it childish at best it is just plain stupid!!!
How would you feel if someone threatened your child or grandchild simply because they didnt agree with you?
Marcus as a Christian I wish you all the best but once again no matter what you say I will never do business with you or with anyone who advertises with you again nor will I be affiliated with the Good Sam club either.
You have your right to choose and we have our right to choose! I honestly believe you are not liking what most of us have chose to do.
I am just wondering how much your financial sales will increase with your affiliation with the anti group? Did you really think that business plan through????
Marcus I would suggest some high level media training in the near future before you go running off with the mouth?
Old proverb "It is better to be thought of as a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"
Sincerely,
Kelly S. Harris Avid hunter for 41 years....
He is nothing but a back peddler nothing else.
I am writing to express my disappointment in your companies stance on legal safari hunting and your position to pull a sponsorship based on bad information. I am sure you are being bombarded with information on hunters and conservation...things you should have known and understood as hunters represent a large percentage of your consumer base......or at least they did. I have never boycotted ANYTHING in my life but I am very discouraged by the rash actions of your company(CEO) and with other options available for my outdoor supplies, I will have to take my business elsewhere. I am sorry you took this stance but I am optimistic that you could take another stance in the future....stand for outdoorsman everywhere and bring your hunting customers back by making this right.
If you want some humor read the post from the anti's....
Mr. Lemonis,
We received your latest advertisement recently and were actually interested in an item you have for sale. My wife enjoys seeing what's available for our camper. After discussing what happened we agree to purchase our camping needs elsewhere. My wife stated we get good service from the private dealer down the road so we will continue to do business with them.
You have made your stance concerning hunting quite clear to all of us. If you supported legal hunting then there would not be an issue with the sons of a person from a show you sponsor.
What Pat stated makes perfect sense, sponsor the US Sportsmans Alliance. Perhaps my wife and I will reconsider our position if you take steps to correct the situation. Actually i'm surprised you aren't a sponsor of groups like The USSA considering the number of people that hunt and fish that also camp.
It's rather obvious many hunters camp and you have chosen to alienate them. I believe you should have researched what the Trumps did before making such a hasty decision. I believe you'll be seeing a number of people making free choices concerning what businesses they support.
StickFlicker's Link
Without a full retraction and apology in the media, I think his first comments to the press told his true stance, and those aren't likely to change. I hope those liberal big city antis buy lots of camping equipment to offset the hunters that will never again do business with his company.
It seems to me that we should be going above Mr. Lemonis' head, and appeal to the Board of Directors of these companies to replace him as CEO. While unfortunately these companies are mostly privately held, Stephen Adams is apprently the primary owner of Good Sam Enterprises as well as most other entities related to Camping World. Since he was born in 1937, he may not be familiar with most modern electronic communications and therefore not be aware of what is happening to the good name(s) of his companies. If someone is sharp enough to find contact information for him directly, that might be a good direction to move.
Ron Reddon's Link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_Group_Inc.
U.S. bank regulators closed Affinity Bank of Ventura, California on August 28, 2009. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp said Affinity had $1 billion in assets and about $922 million in deposits. Pacific Western Bank of San Diego agreed to assume all the deposits of Affinity. Affinity Bank had 10 branches. The FDIC estimates Affinity's failure will cost its deposit insurance fund $254 million.
In March 1997, as part of the Company’s $130.0 million offering of the holding company notes due 2007, AGI acquired Camping World, Inc. and Ehlert Publishing for approximately $123.0 million and $22.3 million, respectively.[10][11][12]
Subsequently, the Company focused on integrating its operations and repaying indebtedness. In October 1998, the Company issued $200.0 million of senior secured credit facilities to repay its then existing senior credit facility as well as the AGI Subordinated Notes, and in December 2001 the Company completed a $52.3 million property sale / leaseback transaction, the proceeds of which were used to repay senior indebtedness.
On August 15, 2009, AGI failed to make a $6.2 million interest payment to bondholders, and Standard & Poors subsequently lowered AGI's credit rating to D.
Standard & Poor reported that they had taken this view because bondholders will be receiving less than par value for the notes and because of the company's highly leveraged financial profile, weak operating outlook, and limited liquidity given the near-term maturity of its senior credit facility. In May 2011, AGI announced that it was changing the company's name to Good Sam Enterprises.[13]
"Good" Sam Enterprises' corporate contact information:
GOOD SAM ENTERPRISES, LLC
(fka Affinity Group, LLC)
(Exact name of registrant as specified in its charter)
(Address of principal executive offices)
2575 Vista Del Mar Drive
Ventura, CA 93001
(805) 667-4100
If you want to join in the education of the anti-hunters who are pushing for this boycott of Trump ... join me at the attached link. Some of their ill-informed comments are almost funny. Remember, keep it factual and kind. Maybe we can change a few minds.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-The-Apprentice-Donald-Trump/123131191094823
Thank you Pat.
Thank you snellpastor for bringing this to light.
Horn Donkey's Link
I'm disappointed and a little disgusted. I don't believe they are taking this seriously.
I'll bet they think all they have to do is withstand the initial onslaught and it will all go away.
Need to keep the pressure on!
Horn Donkey's Link
Here are some pics to ease your mind. This was a legal hunt in Zimbabwe.
Keep the pressure up guys. Eventually Marcus will have to make an explanation that satifies our curiosity about his duplicity. He respects people's right to hunting ethically/legally, but he is lambasting that which he respects. He's writing checks with his mouth that his actions can't cash.
Jake--This is a private company, but take a look at my earlier post with employees.
Guys....if you are a professional using LinkedIn, see if you are connected in any way to some of the higher ranking folks at Camping World and send them a direct message. I found that through my network I was indirectly linked to several people at Camping World who reside in the C-Suite. I am awaiting their responses.
Who wants to talk about COC VS. Expandables? 8^)
After reading that some of the posters would like to see the Trump boys shot and killed, I decided I don't ever want to visit FB again. There are some sickos out there.
Whether the elephant or leopard are endangered species in Africa I wouldn't know.
But I do believe that there is an endangered species in Africa: Homo Sapien Erectus. Famine, starvation, civil strife, over population, disease, gencide, and on, and on. And the rest of the world may not be far behind.
Okay, maybe I'm the crazy here?
To clarify our position, Camping World as America’s Largest Outdoor company, believes in personal freedom. In this country, people are free to choose. This issue at hand is not about whether people should be able to hunt or not. Our company is neither for nor against hunting. We are for personal choice and having people enjoy the outdoors in whatever fashion they choose. However, in our opinion, if and when the hunting of endangered species occurs, whether in the United States or abroad, it is not acceptable to even the most avid of hunters. We remain strong in our conviction of preserving the outdoors, protecting our great country's lands and the freedom to choose.
Thank you, Camping World Customer Care
Until that time, this is what I will do:
I will not purchase anything from your company. I will reach out to the NASCAR communtiy with my concerns, and I attend several races a year...camping in the infield...so I will reach plenty of people, who by the way, mostly love to hunt and fish.
I also belong to an Enduro Cycle club. We do alot of events and camp when doing them (season is just kicking off too). Many of them also share my love for hunting, and they will also be informed as to your stance. I'm pretty confident even those who don't hunt will gladly join my cause, just to support a friend if nothing else.
Of Course, I also take several trips each year to different states for hunting and fishing excursions, and we camp then as well. Those I hunt and fish with will also be made aware of the feelings you expressed towards hunting to the media (not what you posted here because I'm not buying it).
You need to go mainstream with your "new" views on hunting and your apology, or this will continue, at least from me.
Have a great day and good luck with the business. In these economic hard times, Camping World must be doing great to be able to throw away such a large portion of your customer base, and expect to succeed. Glad for you.
Thank you Pat. What a great place this is.
J
Don, To clarify our position, Camping World as America’s Largest Outdoor company, believes in personal freedom. In this country, people are free to choose. This issue at hand is not about whether people should be able to hunt or not. Our company is neither for nor against hunting. We are for personal choice and having people enjoy the outdoors in whatever fashion they choose. However, if and when the hunting of endangered species occurs, whether in the United States or abroad, it is not acceptable to even the most avid of hunters. We remain strong in our conviction of preserving the outdoors, protecting our great country's lands and the freedom to choose.
Following reports that Camping World has dropped its sponsorship of “Celebrity Apprentice” over hunting photos that showed Donald Trump’s sons posed with dead game taken on a safari two years ago, hunters continue to call for boycotts of CW and voice extreme anger at an obvious anti-hunting decision. Camping World recently put out the following statement: “To clarify our position, Camping World as America’s Largest Outdoor company, believes in personal freedom. In this country, people are free to choose. This issue at hand is not about whether people should be able to hunt or not. Our company is neither for nor against hunting. We are for personal choice and having people enjoy the outdoors in whatever fashion they choose. However, in our opinion, if and when the hunting of endangered species occurs, whether in the United States or abroad, it is not acceptable to even the most avid of hunters. We remain strong in our conviction of preserving the outdoors, protecting our great country's lands and the freedom to choose. “ For the record, none of the species the Trumps hunted was endangered. See more about their hunt at: http://nrahuntersrights.org/Article.aspx?id=6266 In response to the Camping World statement, Laurie Lee Dovey, Executive Director of the Professional Outdoor Media Association, wrote the following: Dear Camping World Customer Service and Executives.: I read the statement on your Facebook page. It says and clarifies nothing. What does personal freedom mean in this context? Are you trying to say CW has the right to choose where it does or does not advertise. Of course you do, no one debates that point. Here's the issue -- the reason you gave for pull advertising from "The Apprentice", and the condemnation of legal hunting and hunters. Here's what is unquestionably anti-hunting and why you're losing hundreds and I suspect eventually thousands of customers: 1) CW falling for the "animal butchery" kind of erroneous reporting by groups like tmz.com, the gossip website -- or other news sources who reported/opined about the Trumps "legal" hunting falsely and with a political agenda. 2) Your CEO statement: "Camping World CEO Marcus Lemonis tells TMZ, the company's TV spots already aired on this season of "Celebrity Apprentice" -- but he insists, "I wouldn't spend another nickel with them. Marcus adds, "I am totally disgusted by the [hunting] pics I have seen and was surprised to see them ... Money is spent but wow I'm really shocked." Here's the simple question, I and all in my industry (the hunting, fishing, shooting, camping, outdoors), have for you. Can you simply admit you/Lemonis make a mistake by listening to and being influenced by uninformed, sensationalists without doing your/his homework on the issue, and then simply say you "support legal hunting"? That's the question you've not answered. Until such time as CW answers the question by making a public statement and apologizes, I will not support CW or its parent/affiliate companies in any way. In addition, I'll be reaching out to all of my contacts at the companies, whose products you carry, to let them know that I will no longer support a blatantly anti-hunting company. You owe the Trump family and businesses a sincere apology. You owe all hunters, who are the world's greatest conservationists, a sincere apology.
Due to the cancelation of your ad sponsership from the Celebrity Apprentice show due to the fact that the Trump sons were pictured with their LEGALLY TAKEN AND NOT ENDANGERED trophies from a recent african safari, I am cancelling my upcoming purchase ($43,000) from one of your stores in Utah. I have spent litterally thousands of dollars over the last 10 - 20 years on RVing supplies from from your chain but will never drop another dime at any of your outlets.
Your CEO Marcus Lemonis has cost your company by his totally irresponsible outbursts concerning the great life style of hunting and legally pursueing a sport we love so much.
Even though he gave a halfassed apology on the bowsite.com website, the s%$t is already out of the horse and he can't put it back.
I have started the process of purchasing a new RV from a different dealer and have showed this to many of my friends in the RVing community ( who are almost all hunters and outdoors people and they have agreed to follow my lead.
LINCOLNSHIRE, Ill. -- Camping World RV Sales announced today that it has secured a new multi-year syndicated credit facility quickly approaching half a billion dollars, consisting of an amended floor plan credit facility, letter of credit facility and a term loan.
Bank of America, N.A., which serves as the administrative agent, led the transaction. JP Morgan, which has partnered with the company since 2003, acted as co-agent. The facility also includes seven of the nations premier lenders: US Bank, SunTrust, Key Bank, M & T Bank, Bank of the West, Ally Bank and Flagstar.
Marcus A. Lemonis, Chairman and CEO stated, "Our company's double digit return in same store sales along with an unprecedented level of profitability has earned us a multi-year facility. Our top line outlook for 2012 remains flat to slightly up; however, our tight inventory controls and right sized SGA (selling, general and administrative expenses) has us well positioned for another solid financial performance."
Floor plan financing is a line of credit that allows dealers to borrow against their inventory, and then repay that debt as they sell their inventory or borrow against the line of credit again to add new inventory.
SOURCE: Camping World RV Sales press release
Tony
It may take much time for that to sink in, and perhaps an admission of error never happens. That won't in any way change the reality that Camping World will be losing significant prestige and revenue in the future. The dollar cost could easily push into 7 figures, given the timing (spring...NASCAR...etc) and the seasonal nature of camping. The end result at some level is a lot of pain...expected when you say things which alienate a significant portion of your customer base.
The most simultaneously difficult and honorable thing to do is to admit an error in judgement...ask for sincere forgiveness...and show you mean this through your actions. Nothing like a public statement of support for hunters (and some proof) to bring us (and our spending power) to ANY company. The opposite is also true...and Camping World is currently dealing with that uncomfortable reality.
"As CEO of Camping World, I support all Americans who celebrate the time honored family traditions of hunting and fishing, and all choices of quality, legal, environmentally positive outdoor recreation. I know that millions and millions of families camp, hike, canoe, kayak, off-road, explore and enjoy all these wonderful activities and I feel a kinship with them. Nature heals, freedom is the end all and we here at Camping World are proud to be a part of that soul cleansing lifestyle." Marcus Lemonis-Camping World
elkmtngear's Link
It is amazing how such a strong viewpoint can do a complete 180 degree turn
Best of Luck, Jeff
I would have personally preferred to hear it from a gentleman who does not receive...in general terms...compensation for his opinions, endorsements, and efforts to promote that which serves his purpose. One who is perhaps quietly thoughful and not known for waving pom-poms.
I'm certainly sure that having one's awareness affected by Mr Nugent is not an "upgrade" in the normal sense...and not one to which I would hitch my business wagon.
Why does Marcus feel compelled to pat himself on the back from comments allegedly made by Nugent.
Another "back door" ploy!
Personally, I will not "spend another nickel" with CW as long as you are employed. There is no apology or sponsorship that will change my view. CW's Board of director's needs to make a wise business decision and move on without you.
All I want from you is an apology that includes the admission that ***you made a mistake*** about pulling support from that program based on those photos! Put your money where your mouth is!
Until that happens, Camping World is OFF my list of companies to purchase ANYTHING from.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/03/16/ted-nugent-defends-donald-trump-jr-as-sponsor-bags-celeb-apprentice-over-jrs/#ixzz1plnZ1ucQ
“Anybody with a shred of honesty supports the Trumps, and all hunters, as the best damn hands-on value conservationists on earth,” devoted hunter and musician Ted Nugent told Fox411.com’s Pop Tarts column. “The Trumps are welcome at the Nugent family sacred hunting grounds anytime.”
But I will not spend another dime at CW until they fire Lemonis and formally apologize to the hunting public. To quote the zero, "They acted stupidly", and they need to admit it.
The above quotes were copied and posted from what Ted Nugent actually said.
I would contend that Marcus is blowing smoke.
Although I agree with this statement, I would think their Board of Directors would make a change, due to the fact that the CEO of their multi-million dollar company would go off half-cocked without first considering his corporation's target consumer base, without investigating the animal-rights kook claims before putting his company's reputation on the line and for inciting so much hatred, intolerance and threats toward the Trumps by his public statements.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/ted-nugent/ted-reacts-to-donald-trump-jr/10150635732562297
Still waiting for a public statement admitting the error of his ways.
elkmtngear's Link
Best of Luck, Jeff
Please address your comments below. Are these your true thoughts on this matter? Are you only making your current remarks to save business? Please expound.....
Your CEO statement: "Camping World CEO Marcus Lemonis tells TMZ, the company's TV spots already aired on this season of "Celebrity Apprentice" -- but he insists, "I wouldn't spend another nickel with them. Marcus adds, "I am totally disgusted by the [hunting] pics I have seen and was surprised to see them ... Money is spent but wow I'm really shocked."
I just called the corporate offices of Good Sam Club, the parent company of Camping World. I was transferred directly to the office of Stephen Adams, the Chairman of the Board and 97% shareholder of Good Sam Club. I spoke with one of the secretaries there, who was very polite and patient. I told her exactly how I feel about what Mr. Lemonis has done, and assured her that I'll not only never spend another dollar at Camping World, but that I'm urging every one of my RV owning friends to likewise boycott them, and to not renew their Good Sam memberships unless they publicly apologize to all hunters and outdoorsmen in America, and renew their advertising on 'apprentice' as a show that they truly mean they are committed to sportsmen and women in America.
She was very patient and polite, stopped me several times to ask questions or write down notes, and in the end asked which 'groups' I'm affilated with and for my contact phone number. I told her I'm an NRA member and that I am a regular member of BOWSITE and a NASCAR fan, and that I'm one of those urging NASCAR to drop Camping World as a NASCAR sponsor. She assured me that my message would be passed along.
I urge every one of you (at least, those who are capable of being polite to them on the phone) to call Good Sam's corporate office at 805-667-4100. When the auto-attendant comes on, press "0" for an operator and ask for Mr. Adams office, or Mr. Schnieder's office. Mr. Schneider is the CEO of Good Sam, while Mr. Adams is the Chairman of the Board.
elkmtngear's Link
Had the photos have been of someone who had been unlicensed, without proper tags, someone who poached these animals, you would have had hunters reacting with extreme revulsion.
The problem is that you reacted in the same kind of wrong, uninformed way that we are attacked with day in and day out. We are fed up!
I am not interested in you sponsoring anything. Frankly, that smacks of extortion to me.
Gampaw on the road may be right though. You could turn this into something positive. Educate yourself.
Make a public statement about how you've learned that hunters pay for the real conservation and protection of animals. How you've learned that hunting in Africa and elsewhere protects species by placing value and economic incentive into the picture. How you've learned that without hunting, both the animals of Africa and the people of Africa would be impacted negatively.
Explain that without hunters, the buffalo, whitetail and elk of this country would not have the populations that they do today. Feel free to mention migratory waterfowl and upland gamebirds too. Share this knowledge as publicly as you shared your ignorance. Recognize the facts of the debate.
You are correct, this is a free country. You can still be against hunting. You can even choose to be intellectually dishonest with your reasoning. You can express your anti-hunting sentiment. You just can't expect me to support your business when you express that sentiment. Especially when you promulgate inaccuracies and innuendo about my culture and passion.
I will not patronize a business that feeds the propaganda of the people who would eradicate my culture and tradition. Ever.
Man up. Make a choice. Take a stand. Educate yourself and others with the facts. Or, continue to spread untruths and then attempt feebly to pander to your customer base.
My money and I will be waiting.
I'm off to e-mail Nascar that I'm skipping the truck series and encouraging my friends to do the same.
-Rick
Either make it right or keep trying to mince words and dig the hole deeper. My money is better spent elsewhere.
elkmtngear's Link
The only thing that will convince me otherwise is him featured on hunting TV shooting critters and saying something like "Long live the beast!" or calling himself the Backstrap Assasin would be good too.
Anything short of that would call for those famous words "YOU'RE FIRED".
Ron Reddon's Link
This is what he, as a the CEO of a multi-million dollar business, should have realized about his potential customer base and animal-rights extremists. In a week or so, PETA and other AR extremists, will move on to their next target that elicits their ire and leave Mr. Lemonis with a long-lived mess to try to deal with in regard to wiping out his customer base, especially when Celebrity Apprentice had NOTHING to do with Trump's boys going hunting. This is why his BOD should receive his resignation, or be fired. But I guess that is up to their BOD to realize his original statements will continue to affect their bottom line, regardless of how many "upgrades" Uncle Ted gives him.
And again, I'd reiterate if Mr. Lemonis has received threats to himself and his family, is that he should contact police immediately and get them involved in tracking down those responsible. Those threats, if real, could very well have come from animal rights extremists themselves. It was just a month ago that an animal-rights extremist was arrested for creating a fake profile on Facebook looking to hire a hitman to kill a random person ("preferably 14 years old or older but should be at least 12 years old.") wearing a fur coat at a Cleavland, Ohio library, so she could hand out animal-rights literature over the dead body of the fur-wearing victim.
http://gma.yahoo.com/animal-rights-activists-charged-murder-fur-hire-plot-154823900--abc-news.html
That is the type of people Mr. Lemonis should realize he had aligned himself with.
In this instance they have influenced a large company who has reacted to a few calls from crazed antis and they have rescinded their advertising to please those who blew up about it without thinking long and hard as to who the real money earners are in this world and who actually have money to spend to keep the economy going and of course, line the coffers of big corporations.
Now with this reaction that they have received, I think many other companies will be looking long and hard at how they portray themselves to the common outdoorsman and not just try to please a few screaming idiots who really give no benefit back to anyone and bludge away on welfare in the main and also have no logic to back their arguments, especially in a case such as this one.
Let this reaction be a huge lesson to all of us to stand up for ourselves and make noise where it counts, such as we all are now. I have dealt with many companies who straight away frown at dealing with a bowhunting publication yet we are their biggest customers. Hopefully now they will start to get it.
As an avid outdoorsman, hunter, and fisherman, I am disappointed by your company's recent behavior in regards to the Trump hunting trip. CW will not receive any business from my family, friends, outdoors associates, or myself, at any point in the future. I would urge Mr Lemonis to continue to look into hunting as a means of conservation, rather than siding with PETA and other such groups that label all hunting as "slaughter". While Mr Lemonis, like everyone else, has the choice to not hunt himself, he should be respectful of the views and traditions of others around him. Hunting has been around far longer than PETA, and hunting will be around long after PETA is gone.
These people are trying to appease hunters without now alienating the anti-hunters. In my opinion, the boycott has to continue.
snellpastor's Link
Here is a quote from an article on outdoorhub about Marcus'"apology". ____________________________
"Previously, Lemonis was quoted by TMZ as saying, “I am totally disgusted by the [hunting] pics I have seen and was surprised to see them … Money is spent but wow I’m really shocked.” Then, the report goes on to say that he insisted he “wouldn’t spend another nickel” with “Celebrity Apprentice”.
Lemonis told POMA journalists .... “This is an apology. I wasn’t making anti-hunting statements, but I was misquoted. I am 100 percent okay and in favor of legal hunting and fishing.”
While Lemonis has never been hunting, he sees himself as an outdoor enthusiast who mostly camps and has been fishing a few times. “I want to celebrate all outdoors recreational experiences. I realize my reaction created a divide…. As a non-hunter, I could be caught off-guard.” Lemonis said his immediate reaction was to be upset by the pictures because as a non-hunter, he is not aware what happens in the sport and in the lifestyle. “I was nervous about how other people, who are uneducated or informed, would react if they got caught off guard.
Lemonis even went on to express his interest in learning to hunt, but said that it would have to be in a safe, well-controlled environment. He turned down an offer to go hunting for the first time from his hunting-advocate friend Ted Nugent as he jokingly said he wants to learn to hunt in a “safer” environment."
I think what might possibly be missing from this equation is did Nugent receive any type of remuneration from CW in return for his "upgrade," whatever the heck that is supposed to mean? That seems to be a proverbial "elephant" in the room, if one might pardon the colloquialism.
And I wonder what TMZ would say that Lemonis is now claiming they misquoted him?
He then posted something different so as to mute the criticism for his doubletalk.
Marcus is a great double talker and would fit right in with PETA, he needs to end his career in the camping industry!
Hello Mike,
To clarify our position, Camping World as America?s Largest Outdoor company, believes in personal freedom. In this country, people are free to choose. This issue at hand is not about whether people should be able to hunt or not. Our company is neither for nor against hunting. We are for personal choice and having people enjoy the outdoors in whatever fashion they choose. However, if and when the hunting of endangered species occurs, whether in the United States or abroad, it is not acceptable to even the most avid of hunters. We remain strong in our conviction of preserving the outdoors, protecting our great country's lands and the freedom to choose.
If you are in need of further assistance please contact us at [email protected] or call our Member Services at 1-800-234-3450 Monday thru Friday 6 AM to 7 PM and Saturdays 8 AM to 4:30 PM Mountain Time.
Thank you for your Membership. We hope you have a great year with your travels.
Wes Robinson Member Services Good Sam 64 Inverness Dr East Englewood, CO 80112-5114 T ? 1-800-234-3450 Email ? [email protected]
snellpastor's Link
Try the attach link for the petition. Sign this and then email the link to every one of your hunting and fishing friends. Post the link on every hunting website. Let's help Mr. Lemonis do the right thing.
http://www.change.org/petitions/camping-world-boycott
snellpastor's Link
https://www.change.org/petitions/camping-world-boycott
Ron Reddon's Link
Interesting comments in the comment section of this article, and supposedly according to one of those comments, POMA is going to release the full audio of the press conference with Lemonis on their website. I wonder if they'll release it to the public, or just their membership?
http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/camping-world-ceo-defends-himself-against-anti-hunting-accusations/
Ron Reddon's Link
http://professionaloutdoormedia.org/node/5783
Dear Mr. Adams.
I am writing to express my deep concern over Mr. Lemonis’ recent public anti-hunting statements. As both a hunter and a camper, this is greatly concerning to me. While Camping World is free to express their opposition to hunting, I am also free to express my dissatisfaction as a customer. It amazes me that a company who markets to people who love the outdoors would care little about offending such a large portion of their customer base. As such, until Mr. Lemonis publicly retracts his anti-hunting stance I will no longer be spending one dime at Camping World or any of your other companies. I have also been informing all of my friends through hunting forums, email, and social media – encouraging them to boycott Camping World until this stance is reversed. I thought you would like to know about how Mr Lemonis has alienated a large portion of his customers.
And yes … I have read Camping World’s public statement on Facebook and read his “apology” which he has tried to spread through hunter’s internet forums. Unfortunately, he does this while leaving his other statements unretracted, while deleting pro-hunting comments off of Camping World’s facebook page, and while leaving erroneous information on Camping World’s Facebook page which casts hunting in a bad light. As such I, and most other hunters, see this as nothing but a political move to try to do damage control. It only makes his words and actions more offensive.
I’m writing to let you know how angry and disappointed I am.
Sincerely ....
His email again: [email protected]
Just became aware of CW's pulling sponsorship of the "Celebrity Apprentice" program due to Donald Trump's sons hunting in Africa. The species hunted were in no way illegal or rare or threatened and any species killed over there are fully utilized but the native tribes, every bit and morsel.
I am a CW member but will never darken your doorstep again until you as long as you have this mindset.
+1 on this one right here. This is exactly what Lemonis is trying to do, using POMA and Nugent as the messenger boys for his quiet "apology" to hunters, while keeping AR extremists and the general media out of the loop. Unless Facebook's new timeline is somehow keeping me from seeing it, I still don't see one word about his "apology" on Camping World's Facebook page or Google's news aggregate pages. When links to the POMA press conference are posted front and center on their Facebook page, then I might change my tune.
......Trump's Sons Under Investigation for African Hunting Trip ..By ABC News.Posts .By ABC News | ABC News Blogs – 4 hrs ago....
Donald Trump's sons are facing more scrutiny for their African hunting expedition that recently came to light.
The trip is currently the subject of an investigation led by conservationists in Zimbabwe.
Donald Trump Jr., who stars on " The Celebrity Apprentice" alongside his dad, and his brother Eric sparked outrage among animal lovers on Twitter earlier this month after photos surfaced of the two posing with animals they killed during a 2011 safari trip in Africa. Trump Jr. later defended their actions in part by tweeting, "I'm a hunter, for that I make no apologies."
Donald Trump Jr. on safari (Huntinglegends.com via Flickr)
Trump Jr. may be a hunter, but TMZ.com reports the independent Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force says the South African safari company the sons used was not registered in Zimbabwe.
The task force says Trump Jr. and his brother killed an elephant, a buffalo and a crocodile, among other animals. In one of the leaked pictures, Trump Jr., is seen holding a knife and the cut-off tail of an elephant.
The group is investigating whether license and trophy fees were paid.
Not argueing that at all. CW was way out of line with the comments. It's just stirred some different twists to the story, and if any of the charges are true, it will give CW a way to feel vindicated, ect. I think CW still needs boycotted, and glad we don't have one around here!