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From: lineman21 (mobile)Sent from Mobile Phone Date: 16-Mar-12
My home state of Nebraska just legalized hunting deer with a spear during archery season. I was wondering if anybody has ever tried this and what are your thoughts about it. I don't know if this topic can be discussed on this forum or not. If it isn't allowed please delete.

From: GED Date: 16-Mar-12
I would love to try this. Not legal where I live.

From: spyder24 Date: 16-Mar-12
I do believe if a person does want to hunt with a spear you should practice with it as you would any other weapon to kill deer with. The deer does deserve as clean as kill as possible.

From: HuntinHabit Date: 16-Mar-12
If Rupe sees this he may have some information. Seems to me there was a guy many years ago from Texas that was quite skilled at this and was interested in hunting with him...

From: Sage Buffalo Date: 16-Mar-12
I bought spears for hogs this year. Last season I had a nice buck walk perfect for a spear shot in OK.

I would love to try it!!!

From: Clutch (mobile)Sent from Mobile Phone Date: 17-Mar-12
Hard to believe, but I think in La. it's illegal--don't think I would be interested--

From: Nick Muche (mobile)Sent from Mobile Phone Date: 17-Mar-12
No thanks...

From: Outdoordan Date: 17-Mar-12
Heck I'd try it. Watching Tim Wells spear water buffalo in Australia makes me think it is very doable. I would hunt with just about any "weapon" just to try it.

From: Charlie Rehor (mobile)Sent from Mobile Phone Date: 17-Mar-12
Other than ego, why? In the right hands the bow and arrow can be very deadly.

From: noodle2000 Date: 17-Mar-12
Charlie - If it's legal "Why not?"

As for the EGO comment then why use a compound or peep hole or pins?????

From: Pat Lefemine (mobile)Sent from Mobile Phone Date: 17-Mar-12
Do we need a spear forum?

From: Forest bows (mobile)Sent from Mobile Phone Date: 17-Mar-12
Ego is the reason I would do it. "See that deer there? I killed that one with a spear"LOL! I have wanted to kill a elk with a spear sence I was a kid.

From: Jack Harris Date: 17-Mar-12
I think we need to legalize sling-shot and blowgun hunting for deer too... Why stop at the mighty spear? Will there be spear restrictions on head size, or can a self sharpened stick suffice and be legal? And while we are at it - why not go weaponless and do hand to hoof combat? Drop on them from above and wrestle them to the ground and choke them out - UWFC style. (ultimate whitetail fighting challenge).

JMHO

From: Forest bows (mobile)Sent from Mobile Phone Date: 17-Mar-12
Jack that would be cool!

From: live2hunt88 Date: 17-Mar-12
Sounds pretty intense, ill stick with my bow though. Wonder if rage will make a splash in the spear hunting world lol

From: LBshooter Date: 17-Mar-12
Well the way I see it is that alot of bow and gun hunters don't practice nearly enough and now spear hunting. All we need is to have a few deer running around with a spear in them and let that hit the news, not good. If you can't kill an animal with a gun or bow consistently then what business do you have using a spear. Whats the effective range? 5,10 maybe 15 yrds,good luck. Just so we are clear, not telling anyone they can't but not a fan of it.

From: Pat C. Date: 17-Mar-12
Im with LB thats all we need is some treehuger to get a picture of a deer running around with a spear stuck in it!! Now if you run across a Mastodon Go ahead with the spear and big rocks!! Pat C.

From: The Old Sarge Date: 17-Mar-12
Spear forum? Then why not a firearm forum? Neither one is archery.

From: city hunter Date: 17-Mar-12
WOW a bunch of spearchuckers on bowsite !

Wow i have a great idea for a site Spearchucker.com I will need the help of AL Sharpton on this one !!!!!!

From: Wages Date: 17-Mar-12
Missouri made it legal to use an Atlatl to take deer a couple of years back. This fall a guy used one to take a deer for the first time since the new regs.

I see no problem with it. We all know that there are folks that think archery is just about EGO, and that hunting in general is just about EGO. I think there's more too it than that.

Of course we also all know that there are folks that should not be pursuing deer with archery tackle, due to a lack of skill, experience, discipline, etc., But that's true of rifle and shotgun hunting as well, and I'm certain that some slob that shouldn't be allowed will want to sling a spear at a deer, but should fear of slobs and what antis think keep others from being able to legally pursue deer by these methods?

http://mdc.mo.gov/newsroom/st-louis-county-hunter-becomes-first-state-take-deer-atlatl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlatl

Youtube alatl video

From: Two Feathers Date: 17-Mar-12
I don't have anything against it, but I'm going to stick with my bow.

From: GED Date: 17-Mar-12
+1 UWFC

From: Florida Mike Date: 17-Mar-12
"Do we need a spear forum? Pat"

Priceless! Mike

From: tadpole Date: 17-Mar-12
Does anyone know if the spear is legal in Ohio for deer?

From: Coyote 65 Date: 17-Mar-12
So it is now OK to call someone a spearchucker without being called a racist?

Terry

From: northbnd Date: 17-Mar-12
im gonna wait for a compound spear

From: Outdoordan Date: 17-Mar-12
I remember a quote from the ski/snowboard movie maker Warren Miller about snowboarding. At the time, many ski resorts were not allowing this newfangled way of getting down the hill on a board. They found that in their studies and surveys that the skiers basically didn't like snowboarding, although they came up with lots more "legitimate reasons". Warren Miller said that if "snowboarding came first, would it be fair for snowboarders to ban skiing?". Today there is snowboarding in virtually every resort in the world.

There were plenty that wanted compounds outlawed in Archery seasons back in the early years of the compound bow.

With that in mind, I have no problem with somebody choosing a spear, as long as it comes with the same ethical boundaries placed on it that we expect from any other weapon. I think a 2.5# spear (17500 grain)could efficiently take down lots of big game. Would I switch to it? Probably not, but I certainly would like to try it.

Another quote by W. Miller "Don't take life too seriously, because you can't come out of it alive."

From: Glunt@work Date: 17-Mar-12
I would try it. As kids we tried like heck to spear about everything that walked or crawled. Never remember connecting with much, but its as natural as sleeping outside, drinking from a creek, or building a fire.

From: lineman21 (mobile)Sent from Mobile Phone Date: 17-Mar-12
It intrigues me but I don't know if I would try it.

From: Earl E. Nove....mber Date: 17-Mar-12
As much trouble that we had getting any additional concessions out of the GPC, it really makes you wonder where that came from..

Commissioners grandson thought it would be cool??

Makes you wonder how they will define a legal spear. Head size total weight???

From: motorhead7963 Date: 17-Mar-12
+2 UWFC

From: Bowsage Date: 17-Mar-12
Got rid uh my compounds and all da gadgets, picked uppa spear ,ain't neva looked back! :)

From: NEBucks Date: 17-Mar-12
Sooooo.....If I have flame tats on my arms or on the sleeves of my hunting clothes, do I need to purchase a firearms permit?

From: BTM Date: 17-Mar-12
How do you get the Lumenok to turn on?

From: Chip T. Date: 17-Mar-12
Any of you guys remember Spearchucker Jones?

From: Florida Mike Date: 18-Mar-12
I'm sorry but this thread will be closed due insensitive politically incorrect "spearchuker" slang being used to describe the truest form of hunting that shall be referred to properly as "spear thrusting"! We already had this discussion about "----------"! Get with the program humans! Mike

From: tadpole Date: 18-Mar-12

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I've made a few of these. Accuracy is suprizing (within limits). The spear shown is actually a take-down spear, made so I could pack in my bow case. Weighs about 2 1/2 to 3 pounds, blade is a double edge hollow ground from a lawn mower blade (very good steel I might add), has a blood 'groove', 12 inches long(so 24 inches of cutting surface..how about that for you rage fans). Hickory shovel handle with recessed screw together fittings.

Never had the nerve to throw it through my chronograph, so don't know the kinetic e.

I can usually hit dandelion flowers at 5 to 10 yards, nearly every throw. 12 to 13 yards is about all the distance I'll pitch at (a stronger arm would make all the difference).

From: tadpole Date: 18-Mar-12

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Close up of the point.

From: Greg Kush Date: 18-Mar-12
Tadpole,

Should you decide to mass produce, here is a slogan for your product:

"It is like throwing a lawnmower through an animal!"

;-)

From: tadpole Date: 18-Mar-12

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Greg; Ha, like that. Here is a prototype that never made it to the field...too hard to sharpen.

From: trkytrack Date: 18-Mar-12
For Sale: Loin cloths............

From: Keef Date: 18-Mar-12
Tadpole you have too much time on your hands.

From: The Old Sarge Date: 18-Mar-12
Spearchucker Jones? Wasn't he the ringer in the big MASH football game?

From: Chip T. Date: 18-Mar-12
Sarge- You got it right. Played by Fred "the hammer" Williamson. And congratulations, you won a lifetime membership to Bowsite.com where you will receive much joy and merryment.

From: BTM Date: 18-Mar-12
GregKush: I bust out laughing at your quip!

From: Brian Howell Date: 19-Mar-12
There is a guy from Hilo Hawaii name Gene Morris who has been hunting with a spear since 1972 - and quite successful I might add. 592 big game kills, including lion, cape buffalo... He is nicknamed the Spear Chunker and even has his own - Spear Hunting Museum - in Alabama. I think most of his spear hunting was done from a tree. His spears sell for $525 - very deadly. I met him before when I used hang out at Jimmy Lee's Archery & Taxidermy in Hilo. Check out his website www.huntingwithspears.com

On Saturday, Nov. 28, 2011 "The Spear Chunker" died doing what he loved, sitting in a tree stand on private property in Elberta, spear in hand. He was 78 years old.

“This museum has become my total life and obsession,” Morris wrote in his last will and testament, which was updated for the last time in April of 2010. “The museum contains all my spear hunting animal trophies, spears, artifacts and other spear hunting mementos that were acquired in my world-wide travels while spear hunting.”

The will stipulates that upon his death The Spear Hunting Museum Trust Fund is established. The will also stipulates that all of Morris’s holdings be sold so that the museum can be operated in “perpetuity,” with Heather Morris as the museum’s curator.

From: 64Indian64 Date: 19-Mar-12
Sasha Siemel

From: travis@work Date: 19-Mar-12
I would love to try it to....it would definitely test your skills as a stalker/woodsman..This would be the ultimate primitive weapon experience in my opinion...well short of throwing rocks at them..lol

From: LEGION Date: 19-Mar-12
DOES YOUR MOTHER KNOW YOU TOOK HER GARDENING SHOVEL ? I CAN'T IMAGINE 6 OF THEM IN A BACK QUIVER THOUGH.

From: mooseman Date: 20-Mar-12
lineman21, I'm giving this very serious concideration. Been making and throwing atlatl darts for about 8 years now. Since the possibility of using them on deer I've upped my practice time to the same as my shooting time with archery equipment. So far I'm very confident at 8 yds. and 4 out of 5 in vitals at 11 yds. It's definatly baby steps on moving back sometimes a 1/2 yd. at a time. Still playing with weight and spine but my most consistant is a 64" dart 1/2" diameter weighing around 3700 grains. Would like to know how fast it is but no one will let me try through their crony for some reason. This is just a guess but I'm thinking around 70 fps. and it's probably more which gives me around 38 foot pounds of KE. They definatly sink deeper in the target than my 52# longbow so penetration is not an issue. The moment of truth would be the arm movement. I have taken many deer at 5 yds and under so don't think that would be any problem. Next will be cutting down some saw blades for heads and see how they do, so far it's all been 300 grain field points. Alot to work out before I would try it but it sure would be a fun challenge.

From: bigswivle Date: 20-Mar-12
"SPARTANS WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION" King leonidous in the movie 300. I'm sorry but this is all I think of when I think of spears.

From: JLBSparks Date: 20-Mar-12
It ain't happenin'.

-Joe

From: Cyrille Date: 21-Mar-12
I think that hunting with a spear would be quite the adventure. It would certinly be a new experence for many "trad" hunters myself included.

From: rooster Date: 21-Mar-12
Chip, the PC police would never allow a character with that name in this day and age! Years ago there were a bunch of guys at the local archery club that went to Ontario every year for bear. Over the years they were so successful with their archery tackle (trad gear back in the day) that a few of them started usings spears for baited bears. As far as I know they had some success. I don't know if the practice is still legal however.

From: flip Date: 21-Mar-12
Tadpole Have you tried to design one with expandable blades yet?It would be twice as accurate and you could practice with a fieldpoint!I do like the Throwing a lawnmower through it comment!

From: Preacher Man Date: 21-Mar-12
I've seen a video of a guy spearing a black bear over bait. He had a reas long spear and sat high in a tree directly over the bait. He didn't throw the spear but instead just kind of waited until the bear was directly under him and just poked it down between the shoulders. It was one dead bear for sure.

From: Bake Date: 21-Mar-12
Greg Kush's comment still has me chuckling. . .

Of all the hunting ever done the world over. . . if I could go back in time and choose one. . . I would go wtih Sasha Siemel on a jaguar spear hunt (with Sasha there with a shotgun just in case)

Tiger hunting with Corbett would be amazing

The first known expedition with Clark for Marco Polo would be awesome

Hunting with Harry Selby in Kenya's Frontier district for 100+ lb elephant would be spectacular

The list could go on and on

But spear-fighting a 300 lb jaguar would have to take the prize

If you havent' ever read about that. . . you need to. He would walk in on a bayed jaguar, goad it into a charge, and sink the zagaya into the cat's chest, then fight that sucker. Once the fight was on, it was death for the cat or the hunter. Literally having a jaguar by the tail, and not being able to let go

Amazing nerve

Bake

From: Bill in MI Date: 22-Mar-12

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Weapon appropriate clothing link, have at it.

From: StrutNut Date: 22-Mar-12
Good Old #69 Jared Allen will have to visit the Husker state. He loves that stuff.

From: loprofile Date: 22-Mar-12
http://www.huntingwithspears.com/

They legalized it in Alabama several years ago primarily due to the efforts of an individual who wanted to try it.

No Alabama jokes please.

From: DPowers Date: 22-Mar-12
Why we shoot deer in the wild. (A letter from someone who wants to remain anonymous, who farms, writes well and actually tried this)

I had this idea that I could rope a deer, put it in a stall, feed it up on corn for a couple of weeks, then kill it and eat it. The first step in this adventure was getting a deer. I figured that, since they congregate at my cattle feeder and do not seem to have much fear of me when we are there (a bold one will sometimes come right up and sniff at the bags of feed while I am in the back of the truck not 4 feet away), it should not be difficult to rope one, get up to it and toss a bag over its head (to calm it down) then hog tie it and transport it home.

I filled the cattle feeder then hid down at the end with my rope. The cattle, having seen the roping thing before, stayed well back. They were not having any of it. After about 20 minutes, my deer showed up - 3 of them. I picked out a likely looking one, stepped out from the end of the feeder, and threw my rope.

The deer just stood there and stared at me. I wrapped the rope around my waist and twisted the end so I would have a good hold. The deer still just stood and stared at me, but you could tell it was mildly concerned about the whole rope situation. I took a step towards it, it took a step away. I put a little tension on the rope, and then received an education.

The first thing that I learned is that, while a deer may just stand there looking at you funny while you rope it, they are spurred to action when you start pulling on that rope.

That deer EXPLODED. The second thing I learned is that pound for pound, a deer is a LOT stronger than a cow or a colt. A cow or a colt in that weight range I could fight down with a rope and with some dignity. A deer-- no Chance. That thing ran and bucked and twisted and pulled.

There was no controlling it and certainly no getting close to it. As it jerked me off my feet and started dragging me across the ground, it occurred to me that having a deer on a rope was not nearly as good an idea as I had originally imagined. The only upside is that they do not have as much stamina as many other animals.

A brief 10 minutes later, it was tired and not nearly as quick to jerk me off my feet and drag me when I managed to get up. It took me a few minutes to realize this, since I was mostly blinded by the blood flowing out of the big gash in my head. At that point, I had lost my taste for corn-fed venison. I just wanted to get that devil creature off the end of that rope.

I figured if I just let it go with the rope hanging around its neck, it would likely die slow and painfully somewhere. At the time, there was no love at all between me and that deer. At that moment, I hated the thing, and I would venture a guess that the feeling was mutual.

Despite the gash in my head and the several large knots where I had cleverly arrested the deer's momentum by bracing my head against various large rocks as it dragged me across the ground, I could still think clearly enough to recognize that there was a small chance that I shared some tiny amount of responsibility for the situation we were in. I didn't want the deer to have to suffer a slow death, so I managed to get it lined back up in between my truck and the feeder - a little trap I had set before hand... kind of like a squeeze chute. I got it to back in there and I started moving up so I could get my rope back.

Did you know that deer bite?

They do! I never in a million years would have thought that a deer would bite somebody, so I was very surprised when ...... I reached up there to grab that rope and the deer grabbed hold of my wrist. Now, when a deer bites you, it is not like being bit by a horse where they just bite you and slide off to then let go. A deer bites you and shakes its head--almost like a pit bull. They bite HARD and it hurts.

The proper thing to do when a deer bites you is probably to freeze and draw back slowly.. I tried screaming and shaking instead. My method was ineffective.

It seems like the deer was biting and shaking for several minutes, but it was likely only several seconds. I, being smarter than a deer (though you may be questioning that claim by now), tricked it. While I kept it busy tearing the tendons out of my right arm, I reached up with my left hand and pulled that rope loose.

That was when I got my final lesson in deer behavior for the day.

Deer will strike at you with their front feet. They rear right up on their back feet and strike right about head and shoulder level, and their hooves are surprisingly sharp ... I learned a long time ago that, when an animal - like a horse - strikes at you with their hooves and you can't get away easily, the best thing to do is try to make a loud noise and make an aggressive move towards the animal. This will usually cause them to back down a bit so you can escape.

This was not a horse. This was a deer, so obviously, such trickery would not work. In the course of a millisecond, I devised a different strategy. I screamed like a woman and tried to turn and run. The reason I had always been told NOT to try to turn and run from a horse that paws at you is that there is a good chance that it will hit you in the back of the head.

Deer may not be so different from horses after all, besides being twice as strong and 3 times as evil, because the second I turned to run, it hit me right in the back of the head and knocked me down..

Now, when a deer paws at you and knocks you down, it does not immediately leave. I suspect it does not recognize that the danger has passed. What they do instead is paw your back and jump up and down on you while you are laying there crying like a little girl and covering your head.

I finally managed to crawl under the truck and the deer went away.

So now I know why when people go deer hunting they bring a rifle with a scope......to sort of even the odds!!

All these events are true so help me God... An Educated Farmer

From: Brian Howell Date: 23-Mar-12
DPowers, classic story, too funny. It's good that you can laugh at yourself now about this kaleidoscope of mistakes. Wish we could see the video!

From: EEB Date: 22-Dec-12
Old thread, but its what google delivered, didn't see anything newer. So... anybody try this? (Spear hunting, not domesticating deer)

From: StormCloud Date: 22-Dec-12
Where is our Moderator ?? The title of this site is Bowsite.com Im all about hunting the way a person wants within the leagle laws of his or her state. However I think the world of hunting has evolved beyond the spear. The hunting channel is getting out of hand with the crap its producing for public viewing. Theres all ready crossbow take over. Next it will be spear only season. A blow gun season.Lets not forget how challenging it is to snare whitetail. Comon lets keep this off Bowsite.com There you go Pat L. heres an oppertunity to start a new web site. You could call it Bludgeonting Wildlife.com

From: RLong Date: 22-Dec-12
I will say this much....from what I've seen, when hi they go down fast. Very deadly.

Never speard anything larger than a bucketload of frogs and a couple of larger snapping turtles. As kids we got pretty durned good at it. :)

From: b1indhog Date: 22-Dec-12
Just did a search on this earlier this evening too. Been wondering about it since I heard of a guy spearing one during one of the traditional only hunts in McAlester Ok. this year. Supposedly there is to be an article in Outdoor Oklahoma on it. I got the story second hand but from 2 different parties that said they were there when the deer was checked in.

From: Jack Harris Date: 22-Dec-12
Does anyone make a mechanical spear whereby the tip expands from 3/4" to 2+ inches on impact?

It would definitely benefit those that can't tune their fixed blade spears.

And can we PLEASE spear hunt over a bait pile?

Now we're talkin!

From: EEB Date: 23-Dec-12
I'd agree with Stormcloud that the world of hunting has evolved beyond the spear. However, its also evolved beyond archery, hence the popularity of "traditional" equipment and seasons. Looking for the state of the art in deer population control, I'd have to nominate government exterminators using suppressed. 223s and night vision, over bait piles. Kind of takes some of the fair chase out of the equation, as well as most sportsmen and women.

Yes, this is Bowsite.com, but I've seen and read of rifles in some of the coyote hunting threads, even a knife used to dispatch a feral hog. I don't think the occasional spear thread will threaten the bow-centric nature of this site

Checked out Huntingwithspears.com, their spear isn't mechanical, but looks like it'd leave quite a bloodtrail nonetheless. Haven't seen too many other commercially available spears, might not be looking in the right places.

From: DC Date: 23-Dec-12

DC's embedded Photo

My homemade spear.

From: DC Date: 23-Dec-12

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Another

From: EEB Date: 23-Dec-12
Sweet! That's probably the right way to go, build your own. Between DC and Tadpole's input I might have enough guidance to rig something up. Add a year or two of practice maybe I can get enough skill to actually use it. Wouldn't try it without knowing my limits.

From: TD Date: 23-Dec-12
Having seen what a spear can do I have no doubt you could kill anything with one. I know a guy who hunts pigs with one and it's like a huge double edge knife on a great big lever. He says it takes surprisingly little force to drive it home. 2" or so cut... more like 12" cut when that lever starts working on that blade in there. It looked like you used a mixer inside the chest.

FAR more damage done than any broadhead you will ever see.

From: Arrowsmith Date: 23-Dec-12
Where do I mount the sights and hook the release? Also wonder if syms labs will do a vibration dampener for this thing, or maybe one for your throwing arm? DPowers that was some funny stuff!

From: tadpole Date: 24-Dec-12
EEB,,if you make your own, stay away from making one from an old bastard file. The one I made from a 12 inch file had an awesome sharp edge , but was very brittle, broke in half the first time I dropped it on the floor.

From: tadpole Date: 24-Dec-12
EEB,,if you make your own, stay away from making one from an old bastard file. The one I made from a 12 inch file had an awesome sharp edge , but was very brittle, broke in half the first time I dropped it on the floor.

From: sshavocxt Date: 24-Dec-12
dpowers- way to funny. swivel limb treestands had the bears with spears over bait in their promo video. they didn't throw them, they thrusted them into the bears. "like throwing a lawnmower though them"- good stuff

From: bowriter Date: 25-Dec-12
I remember a quote from the ski/snowboard movie maker Warren Miller about snowboarding. At the time, many ski resorts were not allowing this newfangled way of getting down the hill on a board. They found that in their studies and surveys that the skiers basically didn't like snowboarding, although they came up with lots more "legitimate reasons". Warren Miller said that if "snowboarding came first, would it be fair for snowboarders to ban skiing?". Today there is snowboarding in virtually every resort in the world. There were plenty that wanted compounds outlawed in Archery seasons back in the early years of the compound bow.

With that in mind, I have no problem with somebody choosing a spear, as long as it comes with the same ethical boundaries placed on it that we expect from any other weapon. I think a 2.5# spear (17500 grain)could efficiently take down lots of big game. Would I switch to it? Probably not, but I certainly would like to try it.

Another quote by W. Miller "Don't take life too seriously, because you can't come out of it alive."

Dan, I would be interested to know your take on crossbows.

From: Hoyt Date: 26-Dec-12
I bet they'd pull good on a cane pole.

From: Bou'bound (mobile)Sent from Mobile Phone Date: 26-Dec-12
It is called hunting and not stunting for a reason

From: KS Flatlander Date: 26-Dec-12
My spear throws perfect through paper.....how much FOC.....and what spearhead should I use?

From: AndyB Date: 26-Dec-12
There are African tribes who have somewhat perfected spear hunting and defense. I remember seeing an old video of a male lion attacking 4 or 5 spear wielding men...or maybe they were attacking him..the lion didn't stand a chance. Watusis I think. In a few moments time he was skewered and down. I suspect that spear heads need to be a whole lot smaller than we see them made in this country, with a light weight shaft, possibly cane. The heaviest and toughest of broadheads screwed onto steel inserts anchored into reinforced, tapered cane shafts. The idea is to build a relatively light weight spear that will throw well and achieve deep penetration with a heavy duty but narrow blade. The more adventuresome spearchucker might consider a tether tied to his wrist to keep game from running off with his spear.

From: RJ Hunt Date: 26-Dec-12
Andy... I vote for the non-tethered spear. Too many bad memories of being dragged around by a mid sized dog as a kid. Could not imagine a grown elk or deer running through the woods at 30 mph with me in tow.

From: Panhandle Bob Date: 26-Dec-12

Panhandle Bob's Supporting Link

This guy lived around the corner from my old man....http://www.huntingwithspears.com/

From: nijimasu Date: 26-Dec-12
I'd much rather see spears legal during bow season than crossbows (except for the handicapped crossbow exemptions, of course). getting close enough to whack one with a spear, achieving the wind-up and the fling without being detected would be at least as challenging, if not moreso, than getting a bowstring pulled back without detection (unlike crossbow hunting).

I have nothing against crossbows- I just think they compromise bowhunting seasons and thereby should be situated in muzzy hunts or any-weapons hunts.

From: Hank Date: 26-Dec-12
I witnessed a boar hunt with a spear.

The night before we did the KE calcs compared to a broadhead, the spear thrown even at low velocity is so much heavier and has such a large razor-sharp cutting surface that it is truely a formidable weapon.

The next day my buddy scored on a hog. He had to get close and threw a perfectly placed spear (lucky?} with great shot placement. The wound was devastating, it nearly sliced the animal in half, though the spine prevented that. Blood everywhere. Very swift death followed.

I don't know if this is even possible with deer, which has a different set of sensory skills compared to pigs. To get that close with a heavy spear... deer would be gone before you were able to heave the thing.

Sharp as all heck and plenty dangerous to carry. I'll stick with my bow and broadheads!

(Was pretty awesome to see, though.....)

From: fuzzy Date: 27-Dec-12
I'd do it/

From: Owl Date: 27-Dec-12
If the efficacy of archery is found largely in the ability to get close, how much more so the ability to kill in spear range? :)

The most remarkable hunt I will ever witness is the bushman who ran down a kudu and speared it as it stood staring in abject exhaustion. Can you track an animal at a steady jog?

From: tadpole Date: 27-Dec-12
Wondering which states allow the spear as a legal weapon?

From: Mexican Hunter Date: 27-Dec-12
I personally will love to try spear-hunting, specially now that I have been able to get very close to game. Will try it first with hogs.

From: fuzzy Date: 28-Dec-12
Randy, I'm not sure I'm up to running down kudu, but any snapping turtle that gives me a sporting chance is in serious trouble!

From: Owl Date: 28-Dec-12
If the efficacy of archery is found largely in the ability to get close, how much more so the ability to kill in spear range? :)

The most remarkable hunt I will ever witness is the bushman who ran down a kudu and speared it as it stood staring in abject exhaustion. Can you track an animal at a steady jog?

From: fuzzy Date: 28-Dec-12
you can say that again! ;-)

From: GED Date: 28-Dec-12
I really want to build a spear now. Any links on fabrication of hunting spears?

Maybe use a surf fishing rod of carbon hockey stick as a base? ( both already in my garage)

From: nijimasu Date: 29-Dec-12

From: wrkhrdwrksmrt Date: 30-Dec-12
!!!!!!!!

From: Yoter Date: 30-Dec-12
Search YouTube for persistence hunting and watch the hunt in Kenya wher they literally run a Kudu down. At the point of exhaustion, a spear is used to finish the job. I've been looking for an opportunity to try this on antelope here in idaho. The tool at the end is much less important then the skill and fitness of the predator.

From: EEB Date: 06-Jan-13
Persistence hunting whitetail would likely require a large area where you have permission to hunt (probably a lease these days), as well as superb tracking skills to keep up with an unwounded animal in Nebraska or Alabama cover. On the bright side, camouflage and scent elimination might lose importance. Probably better to stick with the treestand or sneek up and plunge the spear in before the animal has a chance to run. Of course, if anybody does manage a modern persistence hunt, I'd like to read about it.

From: LH Date: 06-Jan-13
Tim Wells is on You Tube killing several animals with a spear.LH

From: tradmt Date: 07-Jan-13
Absolutely no reason spears cannot be used ethically and effectively.

From: Surfbow Date: 07-Jan-13
Imagine a 12" long expandable spearhead! I submit one of you at-home spearmakers come up with one, just so we can see it...

From: Earl E. Nove....mber Date: 07-Jan-13
As hard as it is to get drawn on a whitetail when using a stick bow, I cannot imagine thrusting a spear and having them anywhere around when it gets there.. No doubt a spear would kill them, just be an amazing feat to hit one.

From: MC Date: 07-Jan-13
The best way to spear a deer is to get in a tree and drop the spear on it. It is a very silent delivery. Gravity does it all. Like throwing a large dart, you just guide it for the launch. You don't throw it horizontally at a wt deer.

From: Nick Muche Date: 08-Jan-13
" I've been looking for an opportunity to try this on antelope here in idaho."

Good luck chasing down a Pronghorn!

From: steve Date: 09-Jan-13
Can you use expandable tips? LOL .STEVE Not for me my arm hurts if I throw a baseball .

From: MC Date: 09-Jan-13
You don't throw it from a tree. Just aim it and drop it. The force you impart into it is just to steer it toward the target. It is a silent and effortless motion.

From: nijimasu Date: 09-Jan-13
Silent an effortless motion? I thought that was a crossbow.

From: nijimasu Date: 09-Jan-13
not quite the same deal- it's on a 50 acre game farm so I'm not sure how sketchy the whitetail is compared to a public ground deer- but the kid does manage to do a horizontal atlatl whack right through the doe's heart.

From: WV Mountaineer Date: 09-Jan-13
Well it would kill one but trying to hurl a 7 foot arrow outta a tree and get it done ain't going to happen on a WV deer. Nor is trying to get it done on the ground. Not to mention a spear. God Bless

From: Forrest Boone Date: 09-Jan-13
Not so sure how a spear would work, I think you would have to be directly over the deer . We have killed about 30 hogs with a spear but Mike is correct in that it is more thrusting than throwing the spear. No need to worry about expansion or blood trails, they'er pretty much right there where you pin them to the ground


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