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200-300 inch elk

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STEVE DOWNING 20-Apr-12
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From: STEVE DOWNING Date: 20-Apr-12
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PICTURES OF 200-300 INCH ELK.I WAS TOLD IN NORTHERN COLORADO THAT IS A AVERAGE ELK.

STEVE

From: wyobullshooter Date: 20-Apr-12

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You're asking about quite a range. A raggy little 4 or 5 pt may go 200", while a 300" bull is normally going to be at least a 6 pt with decent length and mass. Kinda like the difference between a miniature poodle and a german shepard. ;-)

This bull is a bit over 275 gross and 266 5/8 net. "Average" will vary with different areas, but if they are anything like those in southern Wyoming, the average is going to be closer to 240-250 than 300. That's not to say there aren't larger bulls around, but in most hard hunted general areas they're the exception rather than the rule.

From: WapitiBob Date: 20-Apr-12
I've hunted OR, WY, NM, and UT and that's a good "representative" bull of all those states right there.

From: Bill in MI Date: 20-Apr-12
Just google 350"-375" bulls and you should find a bunch that fit your criteria.

From: GregE Date: 20-Apr-12

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This small 6 is fairly large for the area we hunt in NW CO. WE call them ranch bulls - haven't measured it but it might make 180.

From: sdkhunter Date: 20-Apr-12

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Both of these elk grossed in the 280ish range (one maybe a little under, the other about right on)...

From: wildwilderness Date: 20-Apr-12

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Here is an OTC CO bull that goes about 235" gross. I bet that bull GregE put up is over 200"

From: wildwilderness Date: 20-Apr-12

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Here's another that goes about 265" gross. The back left looks big but the 2nds are small and the back right dies. Like stated 200 is "small" and 300 is "big". What are you looking for?

From: Arrowslinger Date: 21-Apr-12

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@260" gross

From: bowyer45 Date: 21-Apr-12
For 99% of us those are all trophy elk and most likely the largest for the area. Most likely the area's herd bull. With few exceptions on open public land thats the truth, hunting private ranch land or very limited draw areas is a totally different ballgame. Most elk killed are young animals in the open hunting areas with allot of licences. If you haven't hunted elk much you can be overly optimistic going by the magazines! However elk hunting still is some of the best to be had especially with the bow, after all its all about the hunt anyway!

From: Outdoorsdude Date: 21-Apr-12

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"If you haven't hunted elk much you can be overly optimistic going by the magazines!"

Very very true!

I always shake my head and bite my tongue when I hear a first time Elk hunter decry about 300 bulls. (go slide 300 inches out of a tape measure and look at it) I always ask how many 180 class deer they have shot. There are 10's of millions more of those and a greater odds of a 180class animal, than a 300 bull!

ANY animal harvested with a bow is a trophy!!

From: Jaquomo_feral Date: 21-Apr-12

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This one netted right at 240. For our heavily-hunted OTC area in N. Central CO, he's a representative bull. Every year we'll have a few around that are honestly over 300, occasionally a really good one, but 240-280 is the typical range for decent herd bulls.

From: Ace of Spades Date: 21-Apr-12
This guy grossed 264 and netted high 240's. NW CO DIY hunt. Best bull our group has ever taken in 10+ trips. Nice 5x5's (220 range) are common but this was the first 6x6.

Josh

From: Ace of Spades Date: 21-Apr-12

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From: Eric B. Date: 21-Apr-12

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This is sons 1st. bowkill. Net 266". 5 point herd bull with 5 cows.

From: huntinelk Date: 21-Apr-12

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280 gross, 270 net

From: ahunter55 Date: 22-Apr-12

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I don't care if it's a Spike, they ALL make my knees shake & the meat is some of the best a person can have. Enjoy the hunt & don't worry about getting the biggesat in the woods..

From: MuleyFever Date: 22-Apr-12
Good thread. I have never hunted elk and moved to UT last year. I put in for elk points in a few states and am trying to decide if it is worth it as I know I will never kill a 300"+ bull like everyone is always after nor do I want to wait 10+ years for a tag. Seeing what a "smaller" bull looks like actually gets my hopes up. I would be happy with any of these bulls with a bow or gun and can draw average units with much less points that the trophy areas that people wait for hoping for that monster. Guess its time to add AZ to the list.

From: Tracy Date: 22-Apr-12

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This one netted 263 4/8.

From: Tracy Date: 22-Apr-12

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From: Tracy Date: 22-Apr-12

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From: Tracy Date: 22-Apr-12

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From: Tracy Date: 22-Apr-12

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From: Tracy Date: 22-Apr-12

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From: WylieCoyote Date: 23-Apr-12

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Here is a 225" P&Y scored Tule Elk 6x6....bowhunting elk in open fields is really wierd !!

Joe

From: infiniti11 Date: 23-Apr-12
Mule Power and Elkman......I am pretty sure that ahunters critter is a Red Deer also.......but his comments are SPOT on, as a re those of many others......too many think a 300" bull is comomnplace.......far from it, even in good areas. A bull with ANY weakness is lucky to make 260.....and is a fine critter. Nice pics Tracy.......thanks all for sharing.

From: otcWill Date: 23-Apr-12

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Here's a public land, otc monster (320 gross, 310 net). My huntn partners bull, Like the others have said, it is not likely that you'll see one like this on an otc hunt, but he's a good reference for an otc OIL bull!

From: otcWill Date: 23-Apr-12
And here is a dream bull from point blank! No shot opp. Practice calming your nerves! If whitetails jack you up, this will give you a heart attack!

From: otcWill Date: 23-Apr-12

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From: Lee Date: 23-Apr-12

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Here's a 285" gross 6 x 6 from last year. As others have said - a big, big difference between a 200 and 300. Someone mentioned earlier about a 300 equating to a 180 whitetail - I've bowhunted elk 3 times and seen bulls that are 300+ (killed a 300 and the 285 and whiffed on a beauty) all 3 times but have only seen one 180 class whitetail in almost 30 years of chasing them! I would equate a 300" to a 150 whitetail at best.

Lee

From: Mike the Cheesehead Date: 23-Apr-12

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285 gross

From: Mike the Cheesehead Date: 23-Apr-12

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Extremely short 3rd's hurt this one.

From: Mike the Cheesehead Date: 23-Apr-12

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From: Mike the Cheesehead Date: 23-Apr-12

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This one might be under 200"

From: Mike the Cheesehead Date: 23-Apr-12

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My first, 250ish

From: WillPower Date: 25-Apr-12
MTC- Are you whacking and stacking all those bulls with your MQ1?

WP

From: StickFlicker Date: 25-Apr-12
Lee, he didn't say a 180 whitetail, he said "deer". Since he is from a non-whitetail state (NM), I'm guessing he meant mule deer. I would still agree that it's a lot easier to find a 300 inch bull than a 180 buck of any kind, especially in a state like New Mexico.

In Arizona, it would be very rare to see a heard bull that didn't score close to 300, and in most units considerably more. 300 bulls are pretty common in the southwestern states, 180 inch bucks aren't common anywhere.

From: jimmyt Date: 25-Apr-12
I agree with stickflicker

I've never killed a bull, mainly because I haven't been drawn in a while. I however have seen quite a few bulls over 300 and a few around 350 while in the field here in NM. I've also seen a couple in the back of trucks around 380, one on the mescalero Apache reservation and one about 10 miles away in unit 36.

The biggest bucks I've seen are around 170. The only 180 class or bigger bucks I've seen are on wall of sporting good stores or bars.

From: Lee Date: 25-Apr-12
Stickflicker - you are probably right - being from a whitetail state I immediately read whitetail!! Regardless a 180 mulie is pretty dang big as well.

Lee

From: Mike the Cheesehead Date: 26-Apr-12
WillPower,

Yes 8 bulls with the MQ1 and hopefully number 9 this year :^)

From: ghost stalker Date: 26-Apr-12
GregE love the color on that bull.

From: wildwilderness Date: 26-Apr-12
I would say an easy way to compare different species is looking at P&Y and B&C scores:

So look at P&Y:

260 AM Elk = 145 Mule Deer = 125 Whitetail Deer

And B&C:

360 AM Elk = 180 Mule Deer = 160 Whitetail Deer

you can extrapolate from there that a 300 bull would be like a 160 muley or a 140 wt buck.

From: overbo Date: 29-Apr-12

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Never had it scored but was told it would be in the 300ish

From: overbo Date: 29-Apr-12

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Another angle

From: WillPower Date: 29-Apr-12
MtC - That's awesome man. I have retired my MQ1, but will never sell it. Best pure compound bow ever made! Good luck on No. 9 this year!

WP

From: CK Date: 29-Apr-12
In Colorado a 300 bull is every bit the trophy that a 180 buck is.

In 2010 I brought my 183 buck to the butcher and the lady checking me in didn't look at it twice, even when my buddy mentioned what a big buck it was. Two weeks later I showed up with a 307 bull and she went on and on about what a giant bull it was.

From: AaronShort Date: 30-Apr-12

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Here is a 310" bull from CO

From: Outdoorsdude Date: 01-May-12
Seems I pushed a button and got you guys thinking.

the point I was trying to get to is that there are millions of deer (plural WT and MD) Heck some states have over a million in them alone. And yes, for WT 150 would be a better benchmark.

In NM it is estimated that there are only 70-80K elk.

Therefore it is statistically more probable that a hunter find and harvest a large deer than a large elk, yet many do not: although they think there are 300 class bulls in every forest. And there simply are not.

From: MTNMAN5C Date: 02-May-12

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265ish

From: MTNMAN5C Date: 02-May-12

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275ish

From: MTNMAN5C Date: 02-May-12

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290ish

From: 'Ike' Date: 21-May-13
You know you want to...Look!

From: ohiohunter Date: 21-May-13

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Gross 262"

From: ohiohunter Date: 21-May-13

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And here is a 204" gross, 186" net whitetail. At the time it was number 2 w/ a bow in ohio. So yeah, there is a big difference between a 300" elk and a 180" deer.

From: 'Ike' (Phone) Date: 21-May-13
Nice, but it is the Elk Thread!

From: Vernon Edeler Date: 21-May-13

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273"

From: oldgoat (mobile)Sent from Mobile Phone Date: 21-May-13
What's minimum to get P&Y

From: ki-ke out Date: 21-May-13

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290-ish NM bull

From: otcWill Date: 21-May-13
oldgoat, 265, I think.

From: elkmtngear Date: 21-May-13

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We never put a tape on this guy, but he is one of the biggest bulls we have killed over the years in NW Colorado.

He had a HUGE head and body, so it made the antlers appear "average" on the hoof.

I decoyed him in for my buddy, and when we found him, I couldn't believe it was the same bull.

Best of Luck, Jeff

From: Jim Ergler Date: 21-May-13

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Our group of hunters have been at this game since 1980, and the best scoring elk that we have gotten in a CO OTC area was 285 and change net. Three of us have drawn the unit 2 NR CO tag, and My elk is best at 308 and change. Here is a pic of that bull.

Ergie

From: ohiohunter Date: 21-May-13
"Nice, but it is the Elk Thread!"

Ike, read much? Probably not when there are pictures to look at. You'd probably be more distracted if they were pop-ups. There was a comparison of 180" deer to 300" elk.

From: coelker Date: 21-May-13
I would highly doubt that anyone would call a bull pushing 300 to be average. The true average is much smaller. Can a person find a bull in the 260s and up? Yes, but would I consider it average? Not at all! A little piss cutter 4 or 5 is the average. That being said if your lucky you can find something better. The Colorado model basically means that the average bull harvested is a 3 to 4 year old bull. Most bulls that young just do not get over the 250 mark. There maybe area like the RFW that will have a slightly older age class bull but if you watch the shows, even those places are taking a fair share of 3-4 yr old bulls.

In the last 10 years we have taken 14 bulls and of those 2 have broke 300" and 3 broke 260 and the rest did not break 200 (or at least were not big enough to measure and get a close number). That all seasons and all methods of take!!!

So for mee a 200-300 bull is not average at all, but more like the top of what I would expect to harvest.

From: 'Ike' Date: 21-May-13
"Ike, read much? Probably not when there are pictures to look at. You'd probably be more distracted if they were pop-ups. There was a comparison of 180" deer to 300" elk."

No, actually I'm just here for pictures of Elk, not some 'tool' in the back of the truck! Thanks though! Great bulls guys!

From: Jaquomo_feral Date: 21-May-13
In the OTC elk units I hunt, there will usually be a couple bulls running around the area that are an honest 300". Maybe one or two the next size up. Occasionally a very big one, but rarely. Most herd bulls are in the 250-280 range, 3-4 years old.

In the muley unit I hunt, there will usually be one or two honest 180" bucks, maybe one or two the next size up, and occasionally a real whopper.

So from my personal perspective, the opportunity at a 300" bull compares favorably with a 180" muley. Which is what the poster mentioned, not whitetails.

Now in the elk unit I drew this year, a 300" bull won't even get a second glance. It's all about perspective and opportunity.

From: Jaquomo_feral Date: 21-May-13
Forgot to mention, per the OPs first post, my reference is from N. Central CO, OTC units.

And per Bill in MI's post, there are a whole lot of photos floating around of supposed "300+ inch" bulls that are really 260-270.

From: Bowme2 Date: 21-May-13
Dadgum it... now all them 300" bulls that I saw (according to Lou) were really 250" bulls. Damn it! Truth be known... he's probably right. :)

From: 'Ike' Date: 21-May-13
"Dadgum it... now all them 300" bulls that I saw (according to Lou) were really 250" bulls. Damn it! Truth be known... he's probably right. :)"

I know he is...And that's just it for me! I'd shoot pretty much every Bull on here and not think twice about it...

From: wildwilderness Date: 21-May-13
Ike just reserected an old thread to look at bulls to know what to pass on! With that UT tag you need to be looking at the big boys.

From: AERO63 Date: 21-May-13
Be careful looking at photos...like usually in threads like these...I see some "280-290" bulls that are more like 240-250...maybe...

A true-blue 300" bull is pretty darn solid. Lots and lots and lots "300" bulls that are more like 260-270...

From: ElkChaser Date: 23-May-13

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This one is about 260 +/- a few.

From: dihardhunter Date: 23-May-13

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I'd have to agree with a couple of the others' comments.

There are some bulls even on this thread that the owners need to either check their measuring tape or their addition skills - this OTC CO 5x5 measured 246".

From: dihardhunter Date: 23-May-13

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Another OTC CO bull - 230"

From: Jaquomo_feral Date: 24-May-13
Definitely a difference between an actual measured 300" bull and an "Outfitter 300 bull".

I got cross-threaded with the outfitter I guided for when he was telling our hunters that raghorns were "big bulls" to make them feel good, because their antler perspective was set around Texas whitetails.

From: 'Ike' (Phone) Date: 24-May-13
Lou, anyway to tell by a Bulls fronts, what you're looking at? Or maybe what the potential of a Bull might be score wise...

From: Jaquomo_feral Date: 24-May-13

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Ike, you really have to look at the overall frame. An inch here and there can result in a 20" swing either way. I've taped a lot of bulls and there's not really any hard-fast rule for what makes up the score.

The bull in this photo? Looks great, right? (except for the resolution - my partner took the pic with a phone, I think) Well I killed him in this exact spot the next day and he grossed 304, netted 289. He has a great shape but his fronts are relatively short, as are his main beams.

Plenty big enough for our OTC unit, but might fool someone who hasn't seen a lot of bulls.

From: Jaquomo_feral Date: 24-May-13

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From a different angle. 99% of guys hunting in an OTC unit would say OMG! and go tell their buddies they just saw a 330 bull.

From: Hunter Date: 24-May-13

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310 6/8 net P&Y - Pecos Wilderness, 2000. I never pass a chance to show him off!

From: 'Ike' (Phone) Date: 24-May-13
As you should Hunter, great Bull...

Thanks Lou, I'm screwed...lol. I'll shoot a Bull like that all day long!

From: TD Date: 24-May-13
I notice Bigdan hasn't posted..... but I can see him shaking his head from clear over here..... the better part of valor and all... LOL!

I took a "class" from him once. Very informative as to scoring. I learned I could get near spot on if I took what I THOUGHT it would score and subtracted around 20" to 30" or so before I opened my mouth. I was on nearly every time then.

He showed me some sheds he'd just found you couldn't put your hand around clear out to the last branch. I thought he was a pure stud 300" bull, easy. I was informed he would be hard pressed to make P&Y, would fall short depending on the deductions. He was right. The mass didn't count for nearly as much as I thought it might just looking at it. Width many times is less than a person thinks it should score as well. You can only score up to the equal of the longest beam if I recall.

Lou, I hear the 3rds are the ones that let most folks down.....

And BTW, I'd let the air out of pretty much any of the bulls in this thread in an OTC unit.


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