New potential world record Bighorn
Wild Sheep
I cant believe this wasnt on here already!
Wild Sheep Foundation Alberta has put this up on their facebook page
Ram was found on the cadomin mine site in the spring of 2014, likely died in the spring of 2013, was exposed to the elements for potentially up to 10 months
Officially scored at 209 3/8 gross, 209 1/8 net
Both sides measure over 45"
First three measurements are over 15" third quarter 10 7/8
Pictures were not available yet
Because we all care about sheep... And big ones in particular are of interest to most
I care and would love to see it. I like to look at BIG SH!T. I hope we get some pics so i can see what i am looking for when i draw a sheep tag this year:) HUNT
"Why would it be on here if it wasn't a bowkill or even a hunter killed animal?"
UFB post!
Who cares?
This forum is about SHEEP!
This ram is all about SHEEP! This is an incredible ram!
From the Alberta WSF Chapter's website:
"EXCITING NEWS! Potential new World Record Bighorn Sheep Ram was found in the spring of 2014 at Cadomin. Likely died in the spring of 2013 and was exposed to the elements for potentially up to 10 months. Officially scored at 209 3/8" gross, 209 1/8" net. Both sides measure over 45". First three measurements are over 15", third quarter 10 7/8". SRD is working toward a quick B&C panel score. Please visit our Facebook page as pictures will be posted as soon as they are available!"
I don't care if it wasn't a bow kill. I love to see sheep pictures.
"Why would it be on here if it wasn't a bowkill or even a hunter killed animal?"
If you have to ask this you don't belong on the sheep forum.
I care because a new world record bighorn sheep is exciting news. They are a magnificent wild animal that most hunters dream about and that very few will ever get the chance to hunt.
But , I guess it's not as exciting as a story about a bowkill spike buck.
One of u took the text right out from under my fingers. Please let us/me know when more info comes out.
Ed
If it is net typical score, yes, if nt, not so much.
Respectfully,,,archery95 just because ur not interested in something doesn't mean others are not.
Ed
209 inches, even after a year out in the sun/wind/elements....Yikes !
So, just why are we not supposed to celebrate nature's amazing animals?
Are we only allowed to celebrate these rams if a hunter took them? But if they died from natural causes, they are somehow not just as amazing?
So what is the skinny ...is'nt the Mine private proprty...why don't they allow a selct few to hunt it...pretty much could name thier price...my guess is somebody would come up with a million to hunt the Mine....or at least sell the winterkill finds.. I have seen some jawdropping skulls come from that place....those thick tight curled monsters are amazing
And for the Love of God somebody find a picture
X2 I don't care if he wasn't killed with a bow. He could have been but he survived. Love to see pictures.
This is supposed to be it
Can you pick up horns Canada? You can't in Montana only the state can.
Nvagup...It doesnt bother me that it was found dead....
It sounded like an amazing animal that I would like to see no matter how it was taken.
Sad way to die for such an exceptional animal.
Good luck, Robb
"Sad way to die for such an exceptional animal"
Why, as big and old as it was, and possibly dying of natural causes, sounds to me it lived a good long life...
I can't get excited about some dead animal on the side of the road, no matter how big it is. I know some of you guys are about to pee your pants with excitement but not me. If a regular Joe killed it with a BOW I'd be much more interested. You can post pics and I won't offer any disrespect but I won't watch the thread like its a live whitetail hunt from Connecticut....
It's a shame it died of "natural causes". Starving to death would suck. But that's just my opinion! Mike
Big dan to pick up found dead wildlife we need to buy a permit, but I believe the SRD (which is a government organization) picked this one up.
Mike is more into egos, than the quarry we seek... To each his own I guess, but always felt we should become naturalists first before hunters, for if not, we are nothing more than killers...
Okay, I stirred the pot, somebody pass me a beer...8^)
Unbelievable sheep. Pretty sure I'd fall off the mountain if I had that in bow range. Thanks for sharing!
All I know is that earlier thus week I booked a hunt in the very unit this ram was found.
Maybe he has a twin brother. ;^)
++ Zbone we should become naturalists first before hunters, for if not, we are nothing more than killers...
Some of my best days in the woods is when I saw my quarry at a distance or not at all...
I still get excited when I see the 'hole in the horn buck' or the 'Jordon buck' and I agree that it makes a better read to hear of the stalk, harvest, etc of any animal but it certainly does not add any credit to the animal itself!
Yowzer! That's a pig! Awesome sheep!
Incredible! Thanks for posting the pics.
DL and Doubleforky
Those pics are of a Cadomin ram picked up in 2009, scored 206 3/8.
Pictures of the new Pending WR have not been released by F&W yet. Maybe today, but I said that yesterday too....
This ram went missing in the spring of 2013 and was just found recently. We sure were hoping he would show himself last hunting season, figured he scored 211...
"You can post pics and I won't offer any disrespect but I won't watch the thread like its a live whitetail hunt from Connecticut...."
Florida Mike - that is the lowest thing a person could say about a sheep. How demeaning to that sheep!
Bou',
I wouldn't go so far as to say...er....type that.....
I have heard stories about just how demeaning Mike is....to sheep...but mostly ewes.....!!
Beautiful ram. But I don't get how it can be a 'world record' when it wasn't harvested.
Boone and Crockett Club accepts pick-ups...
The B&C WR nontypical whitetail is a pick-up...
"There is hunting, than there is sheep hunting......."
Truer words were never spoken!
Wow! What an exceptional ram! Great mass!
Those photos are not the ram. It is actually much heavier.
Like Mike I could give a dam its no difference to me than them game farm elk in Idaho they keep trying to pawn off as fare chase hunts. If a hunter had taken it I would feel much better.
A game farm animal, Dan?
Really?
This amazing ram was a wild animal all his life and died of old age or perhaps predation.
That's hardly the same thing as a genetically and hormone enhanced 'pet-n-shoot' high fence animal!
You don't think it came out of the park.
Bigdan - "You don't think it came out of the park. "
It came from the same place as the current WR. A coal mine site that has a general hunting season surrounding it.
Dan,
The 'park' is a wild area, not a high-fenced area. Sheep are free to travel outside the 'park' whenever they want and often do so on a regular basis
Does the fact a state or province have 'parks' in which hunting is not allowed in anyway change the wild and natural nature of the sheep?
This ram, in fact, died outside the 'park' in HUNT unit 438.
Here we go, picture quality is crap, but that ram isn't!
Well if its not a bow kill it means nothing to me.
Nice to know the biggest ever grew to a fine old age and had plenty of opportunity to spread his seed.
Incredible to me. Thanks for sharing.
Wholly Molly!
Now THAT's a RAM!
Sadly, some posts are so clueless and woefully uninformed that they do not deserve a response.
archery95's last post is one of those.
I'm speechless!
This hasn't got a damned thing to do about whoever found the ram!
It has everything to do about the ram itself.
I'm embarrassed for you, Dave!
Bigdan, I have plenty of respect for you and your accomplishments in the world of bowhunting elk, but if this means nothing to you, then why not just not look at the forum and 'shhhh'
Yeah, I don't get some of these comments either. If it were a WR whitetail or (fill in with your favorite game animal) you wouldn't be knocking it. That ram is amazing! Glad it was smart enough to avoid getting shot by some of the "super hunters" on here!! Thanks for sharing.
NovemberMadman- that is awesome!!! "super hunters"....haha. Perfect.
The idea of big critters, that get hunted, eluding the crowds and dying on their own accord very much intrigues me. Thanks for sharing!
It's cool. Nice picture. Great animal. Huge.
But have to agree with some here, I'm not going to wet my pants over it.... it has no hunting story behind it and I'm a hunter. Would have been even better if BB had taken a pic of it on the hoof, otherwise it's just a fossil.
Don't get me wrong, it's cool and all, glad I saw it, but no matter how huge.... it's just some dead animal bones somebody found.
A hunting story... now reading that can get the heart going on an animal half that size. How the guy slipped above the ram after a two hour stalk, wind swirling, waiting another hour for it to stand up..... sending the first arrow a foot over it's back.... =D 10 rings it with the second arrow.... the blood trail... the recovery.... the pack out... yeah, I'm about the hunt. Sorry, it is what it is. Be embarrassed for me if you like. Wouldn't be the first time..... ought to hear some of Coach's stories....
Big animals are great. In fact there's a t-rex head from MT somebody found that's been in the news that's really neat. Pretty sure no hunting story with that one either though....
Didn't see anyone claim this was a hunting story. I appreciate it simply as some good information on possibly the largest bighorn that has walked the earth. Easy to understand how this incredible pick-up would be highly significant to sheep hunters. Which is one reason the Boone & Crockett Club allows entry of this genre. Amazing animal !
Wow to see a magnificent animal like that is well worth it any way it came. Imagine drawling down on that critter and fully knowing what he was.
That animal is worth a lot, find or not it has big value.
Wow to see a magnificent animal like that is well worth it any way it came. Imagine drawling down on that critter and fully knowing what he was.
That animal is worth a lot, find or not it has big value.
Ok first of all, some of you guys are complete idiots! And I'm your king! Come on guys why can't we have different opinions? It doesn't mean I'm right and your wrong! It just means we see things differently. How freaking boring would life be if we all saw things the same way? My comment about the Connecticut whitetail "live" hunts was really funny and most of you completely missed it. I'd rather have a root canal than follow a Connecticut live hunt, lol.
Oh and don't think I didn't see our resident newlywed "dishwasher husband" talk about my affinity for ewes! Back in my younger days I dated some girls that were uglier than a ewe!
But seriously guys, I know some of y'all are passionate about "sheep" but when y'all tell Bigdan to shut up I think it's time to reexamine the guy that looks back at you when your shaving. And if your not old enough to shave yet but your still flappin yer gums then sit in the ditch till we call for ya! Mike
did nobody know that sheep was even alive? did it elude everyone ? that would be amazing
Don't they call this Bowsite. I found some bones from a duck billed dinosaur.
Yes Dan, this is Bowsite.
Dan, you make a ton of sense. That 6 year old ram you arrowed during the rut within dragging distance of your Rhino was an amazing feat of sheep hunting prowess and definitely more noteworthy than this sheep.
Hard to believe you would not respect or admire a 11 + year old ram that lives in the actual mountains and died of old age.
Found a year after last seen. Will never know if had succumbed to errant shot legal or otherwise
Maybe it was harvested after all????
I beat up a duck billed dinosaur once. HDYLMK. HUNT
Thanks for sharing. Pretty cool to see an animal of that caliber. Most on here take interest because it was an interesting find and an exceptional animal. I'm sure that if others here would of had a some type connection to the find (i.e. relative or friend) they would of shared as well.
This is hard for me to watch.
I love animals. I kill animals. I eat animals. I like to see specimens of any type...but old cranky "broomed off" grandfathers are my favorite!
So, just why are we not supposed to celebrate nature's amazing animals? Are we only allowed to celebrate these rams if a hunter took them? But if they died from natural causes, they are somehow not just as amazing?
NvaGvUp-We never agree on much (or anything)but the above is a great post.
How can anyone see an animal like this and not feel a certain level of respect. It is animals like this that have always made me excited about hunting. Every time someone tells me the biggest elk I will find in a unit is in the 300,320,340" range, I know there is a big old 380 or better in there just waiting for the right hunter to find him. One day I will find him.
When I finally draw a Ram tag, I will say the same thing.
The B&C Tule is also a pickup.
I'm hoping to change that someday.
If I ever find a giant whitetail dead on my land that might push the WR, I think I'll post it on bowsite. I like punishment.
Nice ram!
That's the spirit Idyll!!!
I think more than anything, it's important to appreciate that we still live in a world where "World's records" are possible.
It's that knowledge that fuels dreams, and dreams are what recruit youth not to our hobby or put simply our passion, but more importantly our culture, our life-style, our belief system.
Tried to count or guesstimate annual rings from the photo and am guessing a 16 year old... Anybody else?
I think an animal such as this should be shared and celebrated. He's the real winner for beating the odds and all the hunters who'd have loved to have killed him. Hopefully he spread lots of his great genetics around so his offspring can be the next P&Y record.
I like to see outstanding critters. Dead or alive. My dream hunt would be a sheep hunt. One thing I don't agree with is making it a WR. I think that they should have a different category for pick ups and not lump them into the harvested record books. Maybe list the score but under a different category. Impressive sheep though!
B&C recognizes the animal. Go and read the history and you will see its original intention was to form a data base so that through the years they could tell what was happening to wildlife. More entries populations doing better, less entries not so good. Look at the records that have been broken in the last 10-20 years for all species. The book does identify animals as pickups too.
I for sure want to see this. I used to go to the mine area every year up until about 4 years ago. I like the idea I may have seen this ram in his prime. Using some of the logic shown here I guess you guys would drive through Yellowstone or some other park and never slow down to look at a huge elk, mulie, pronghorn, or anything else.
Uninterested people would simply glance at the thread and go on. I am sure many have done that.
The small, the petty and the insecure will take the time to repeatedly post how little it interested them and make derogatory comments about the ram.
I have hunted that area for sheep twice and can assure you they are wild rams. Likely wilder than the breaks rams from what I have seen. And, as someone said, they do live in mountains, not ruts in the river banks.
Great to see & also nice to know that some of the largest critters ever are alive in our life times! Doesn't matter to me if the ram was taken by a hunter or died of "Old Age", he still might be the best of his species EVER! Really surprised at some of the negative comments about such a tremendous animal! David
I don't think the negative comments are about the ram per se but about how some seem to worship sheep as the ultimate game animal that eclipses the glory and majesty of any other creature on earth and who makes normal hunting for ordinary deer and the like rather meaningless by comparison.
In my opinion this is no different than a shed thread, I'm surprised at all the controversy. Either way that is one hell of a ram
Cheque,
Interesting comments, but not one post can be logically interpreted to support your statement.
The negative comments are directed exactly at this ram and the fact the the was not archery killed.
The posters who insist on archery kill post have posted on this site about things that have nothing at all to do with hunting or the outdoors and received much support at times.
To people who love the outdoors and nature find much interest in a post like this.
Awesome ram! with amazing horn mass and beautiful configuration! Thanks for posting. I love seeing sheep alive, in photos, pickups, old mounts and hunting success photos.
I recently spent two days at the BC Wild Sheep Society meeting, and another two days on volunteer sheep count. Half of my free time over a month spent on feeding the sheep fetish and this is the during the off season. And I live where I can glass them from the window or yard most days. I've hunted sheep 12 of the past 33 years and will hunt them every year going forward until the mountain is too steep to continue. That said, on a thrill basis I remember some of the stalks that went wrong as vividly and fondly as the three that were successful!
"The small, the petty and the insecure will take the time to repeatedly post how little it interested them and make derogatory comments about the ram. RHale"
They will piss an moan about others expressing a different opinion too. Mike
No perhaps not directly R.Hale and admittedly it may have been just my thoughts about the subject coming through. I don't have a problem at all with the thread even though there is no bow involved but I have no problems with shed threads and "guess my score" threads. I do however wonder about the sheep worshipping mentality that many seem to have because it doesn't make sense with my knowledge of sheep (admittedly mostly second hand) and my hunting experiences (which pales in comparison to many here).
After reading Boone and Crockett Club TROPHY WATCH, I change my guesstimate to 10-1/2 years old...8^)
"The idea of big critters, that get hunted, eluding the crowds and dying on their own accord very much intrigues me." Very good quote and the reason some go to great lengths to find such great animals.
One thing super cool about sheep horns is literally it is the history of thier life...
Amazing animal. Thanks for sharing boschman158!
I like this picture the best
However I thought this was the record holder.
They may be the same
Wow! Unbelievable ram. Great to see an individual animal like this! Incredible mass! THX for sharing.
Like Jim stated above, the book is supposed to recognize each exceptional specimen and the area where it lived, died or was shot...some hunters have lost sight of that trying to get THEIR name in the book.
Hammer, i believe thats the ram found in 09 wich walking buffalo spoke of earlier.... also a pig of a ram and an incredible specimen!
95
Ram was picked up by wildlife officials and will be listed as belonging to the province, no name. It will be recognized as a product of excellent conservation work.
The previous record was from the same area, exactly.
Dan,
I searched the net and found articles and pictures and the one pic with the lady holding it said it was a world record score of 210.
If there are no pics yet of the one you're speaking of then I can't imagine how big it will be if it's actually bigger than the one in those Pics above.
You are likely correct because the info I found was from the exact same area of the one you mentioned in the OP where you said "Officially scored at 209 3/8 gross, 209 1/8 net"
Do you have a link to the article where you found the info.
Matt
Not a bad ram considering he lived out his life on or near "the devastated moonscape of a nature destroying, earth ravaging mine site".
Many serious sheep hunters from my area make a side trip to the mine site just to glass the these "famous" rams. Better than Jasper/Banff Park.
Great ram and thanks for sharing. This thread reminds me of a sheep hunt in Canada where the guide told me a story about a hunt the previous year where a hunter was teamed with a very mature guide. They watched a large, mature ram bed one afternoon. The guide did not have the energy to make the stalk fast enough that evening to get to the ram before dark. The next morning the ram was in the same spot and they made their move. Unfortunately the ram had died during the night of natural causes. They got a pick-up tag for the ram and the hunter took it home. The ram went from a great accomplishment to an interesting conversation point over night. It still was a great ram and the hunter had a very unique experience.
I have been by the mine were the sheep live. We had to stop are truck to keep from hitting the sheep in the road. We got out of the truck and the sheep we acting like farm animals in a petting zoo. Some of the sheep never leave the closed area. He's a great Ram. Are F&G picked up a dead ram off Wild Horse island in Flathead lake. Its a 200+ ram and I had him in my hands. But it did not make me want to piss my pants. I have been on several Bighorn hunts and was with the guy that killed the number 2 bighorn in P&Y. It was fun but sheep hunting is not that hard. The only thing that's hard about sheep hunting is drawing a tag. And if you have enough money that's not hard. I have bighorn sheep winter in my back yard off a close mine site. I know were 4 different Rams are laying dead but you can't pick up Bighorns in Montana. And to tell me to shut up about this that's not going to happen.
I hate it when Bowsite gets all wound up over some fictitiously found, non-bow killed, monster ram and fails to see the truth... Rowdy Dowdy killed that ram last year, but Chuck Norris wanted it to stay on the mountain, so Rowdy left it. Duh.
Well if you are hunting sheep during the rut and in certian places its not that hard... I have seen some trophy shots from places with telephones poles in the back....that is not the case with almost all sheep hunts... most sheep hunts are HARRRRD and in some of the coolest country on earth
"That's funny Ron. It makes it better or different to get THEIR name in the book with an animal that was found dead than shooting one? Another person that is likely to be disapponted with this "New World Record" is the hunter that held the old record. How do you think he will feel when his record was broken by a found dead animal..."
And some wonder why anti's think we're just egotistical killers? IMO this is what is wrong with most hunters these days. I think the book is made to appreciate great animals, not "great hunters."
Bigdan it might be easy to kill a sheep in the areas you're talking about, but if anyone says it's easy to find and kill a nice mature ram in the middle fork of the salmon, they're just lyin.
I do not personally put much value to how "hard" a hunt is. It is just one factor. Many "hard" hunts are simply poorly planned ones, ending in failure more often than not. I hunt for the beauty of the surroundings and the beauty of the trophy. That is why Alberta's bighorns are near the top of the list.
I wonder how much backpacking true wilderness sheep hunting or Asian high altitude sheep hunting anyone who says it is easy has done? About none is my guess. Montana motel based hunts are not in the class of a true sheep hunt in the wilderness.
I re read all post and no one was told to "shut up". I enjoyed all the post, some for their wisdom and some for what they reveal about the authors. Keep posting everyone, especially the ones that post about how little they are interested.
R.Hale You had better look at boschman158 post above inless that's some Canadain slang EH.
Wow!! I'm very surprised by some of the posts by some of the long time bowsiters. Disappointing day for me on the bowsite.
Repectfully Ed
That's one very impressive ram --
Not sure...how or why - - - some wouldn't appreciate it.
"Some people's Children" (like those big rams offspring)
Great day, Nick
Bigdan, I'm not much for starting fights and I was not trying to tell you to 'shut up' so much as wondering why you would keep commenting on something you are obviously not interested in... No disrespect meant... Have a good day eh :)
I can't believe some of the posts on here. OP and others that love this animal for what he is/was truly make the sport amazing. Thank you so much for posting pictures of the greatest ram to ever walk amongst us in recorded history! I can't state how much I truly LOVE these animals and the passion that I and many many others have for them.
So I'm curious R.Hale what am I revealing about myself? Or was it the wisdom you were referring too? =)
Yea them wild sheep around the mine were that one was found. are like animals in a petting zoo.
so, animals don't merit reverence and respect of any sort unless they fall at the hands of a hunter and they're world records? and we wonder why our reputation's as sterling as we'd wish. very sad indeed.
I am surprised about some of the comments here… Some are not needed.
Who cares where it came from and how it was found. It is a huge Ram and thats what this was about.
No! animals deserve respect. Regardless of hunted or not big horned or small. But I think what some are saying is that this is bowsite. If people posted pick ups, shed hunts, and rifle kills all the time it would no longer be bowsite.
This is a cool ram! That's forsure
It's great to know animals like that exist in any species we hunt. It's exciting to know that there are still giants out there and not things of the past. I'm sure fellas that hunt sheep are jazzed about seeing such a huge animal was out there and maybe over the next peak there will be his twin.
I can totally understand both sides of this. I can understand the guys that don't care, and the guys that do. Different strokes and all that.
I think it's pretty cool. I'd much rather see a live pic of him, or even a rifle hunter sitting behind him, but I like the dead head pics too.
Sheep though, hold a high rank in my personal thinking. I guess you could say I've put them on a pedestal. And it's really not about difficulty in my mind, as much as it's about the places they inhabit, their rarity as opposed to more commonly pursued game species, difficulty of getting a tag or cost of buying a hunt, etc.
Cool pics
Bake
I was just looking through the 2004-2006 B&C record book the entry break down was MT 83,OR 9,ALB 8,BC 7,CO 7 NV 3 UT 1 and WY 1. out of all the B&C sheep 5 were pick ups P&Y all time listings Colorado 208, Alb.104 Mt 72,Wy 26, Nm 13,Id 12.
I can't believe the size of that thing - just incredible. !!
Incredible mass! Love the pictures. Thanks for posting.
Absolutely amazing animal.
I think it's a shame that it died of old age. Three reasons come to mind. First it probably died a slow painful death. Second so many hunters never get a chance to hunt sheep. Third it won't get honored appropriatly without someone owning it's death.
I would imaginge a fair number of these old monarchs are a well known. Most likely also out of the breeding mix and not vital to the herd long before they die of old age. Why couldn't those rams be identified and have tags auctioned for that specific animal. The high bidder could be guided by wildlife agency people to try to take the old ram and the money could go to create more opportunity.
In a perfect world none of these animals would die of old age. There is so much value to each and every one of them. It's a shame that is wasted.
Pulled a TBM. Double post.
WOW. It's late and I don't always add anything constructive at this point in the day so I will wait until tomorrow but there are 2 posts above that definitely need to be addressed. Good night.
The ram was officially scored last week at 209-1/8 inches net. He had only 2/8 inches of deductions.
His measurements are astounding. Both horns are over 45" and the first three radial measurements of the horns all exceed 15", with the final quarters measuring 11-7/8"!
Who owns the pickup? It would sure be nice if they made their way to the WSF offices, so everybody could enjoy them. Maybe they could be displayed at the convention as well.
Canadian ram. Owned by Alberta wildlife authorities.
I'm sure they will have replicas displayed in WSF booths/offices in the future
boschman,
Not at bad idea to let folks see this stud, but not likely we'd do that, I'd guess.
Wow! Incredible mass measurements!
2/8th's of deduction on 210 inches of horn in INSANE...
Dan...I have nothing but respect for you but I have to wonder if this was a 450" Typical 6x6 bull that was found dead any chance you would feel differently. ....
Some more pictures released today
Wonder if anyone has any film footage of him when he was alive... Surely, somebody would have something of him???
Lot's of pics and video, he was a star.
I watched this thread for a long time before I ever clicked on it, because I KNEW that any time "new world record" was in the title, there would be controversy. Just read the highlights and Yep, I was right.
So it was not the record right? The other one form the same area is still the world record?
The ram currently listed as the B&C world record scores 208-3/8
Hmmm, guess ya gotta pay to see the film....sad...
Bring back the Stuntman!!!!!!!!!!!
Looks like "stuntman" has been thoroughly purged.......
Turns out the ram shrunk 4 inches over the 60 day drying period and now scores 205 7/8 putting him as the #5 ram of all time
Too bad.
The ram had been dead for a long time before he was found.
Never-the-less, what an amazing ram!
4 inches wow in 60 days I waited till well over a year to have my ram scored !! that sounds like BS on the org score esp since it was dead for a while !
Some'um don't sound right...
Lots of people on this thread keep saying this doesn't matter cause it wasn't a bow kill. How do we know this wasn't a bow kill?
The same scores scored it the second time. What happened was that the ram had been swelled up from laying in the snow all winter. It was just the water coming out. Original score was correct.
That is the reason for the 60 day drying period. Even on found trophies.
The amount of shrinkage is not really surprising.
This ram was last seen alive in the spring/summer of 2013. There was a vigilant effort to locate the ram as there was a concern that he was possibly poached.
After an extensive search and a hunch, the CO's checked out an area of the mine-site in early April and found his remains. The cause of death is not certain, but is conjectured to likely have been a Grizzly kill.
Considering that these horns laid in the sun/rain for half a year, and then under snow for half a year, and were picked up during the spring thaw, the moisture content was probably as high as possible without being submerged in a lake.
What is surprising and interesting to me is that the ram was believed by many very experienced sheep fanatics to have a live score of 210-211. Did the horns shrink due to a years worth of weathering?
Here are a couple of live pics of the Ram.
Sorry guys, not sure why the IMG link to photobucket does not imbed the picture in the thread.... ? An suggestions to fix the link?
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Here's the live picture walkingbuffalo:
Incredible ram! Definitely worth posting, dead, alive, winterkill, whatever.
how much would it cost to hunt the this area ,20,000 50,000 100,000 ?????
What people here have to realize is that we raise lots of money to make and keep the herds health. In addition, we transplant many of the sheep into other areas to keep the herd's genetics going strong. I'm glad that there are areas where they can grow and die from old age. He was a magnificent ram.
Wonder how many people would complain about harvesting a huge bull elk just outside of Yellowstone national park or on the edge of private property?
can we get a petting zoo with some 200+ rams just so we can drool/eat our hearts out? Or izzat the mine site? Are there comparable specimens up there now? Might have to make a side trip one day.
AAAAHHHHHH.........that's the pic I wanted to see of the actual "animal" everyone is referring to.
I think the thread would have flowed much better leading off with that pic versus finishing with it.Presentation is everything...:)
I'm glad they found his skull as it will surely increase the prospect of conservation dollars going into the lives of his brethren.
THX for sharing the live pic sticksender.
Thanks Sticksender, that's one of the pics I tried to post.
Trying again to post the other one.
You cant hunt on the mine itself but there are areas all around the mine open. But the really big rams spend most of thier time in the no huntng zone. If you drive thru the mine you will see them calmly eating right beside the rd and can drive within a few feet of them.
If you go watch out for these guys (im 6'4")
Sorry didn't make it! From B&C website
FOUND BIGHORN MISSES WORLD'S RECORD MARK THURSDAY, JUNE 12, 2014 A long winter buried in snow apparently swelled the horns of a bighorn sheep that died of natural causes. The ram was found this spring by Alberta wildlife officials and green-scored as a potential new World’s Record. Following the Boone and Crockett Club’s mandatory 60-day drying period, the ram’s horns lost an astounding four inches in net score. The original scorers reconvened to find that every measurement was smaller on both horns. Still, with a final score of 205-7/8, the ram ranks No. 5 all time. It has been entered into Boone and Crockett records on behalf of the citizens of Alberta. The reigning World’s Record, taken by a hunter in Alberta in 2000, stands at 208-3/8. “Though it’s not a World’s Record, it is another tremendous specimen symbolic of continuing, successful conservation programs. For that, we congratulate Alberta wildlife officials,” said Richard Hale, chairman of the Club’s Big Game Records Committee. Hale added, “Biologists speculate this latest ram died of old age in early summer 2013, so the horns were exposed to the elements through the remainder of summer, all fall and all of a wet, snowy winter. Apparently, the horns absorbed an incredible amount of moisture, because four inches of shrinkage during the 60-day drying period is very rare.” The Boone and Crockett Club, long recognized as the leading authority on big-game recordkeeping, requires air drying all trophies at habitable room temperature for 60 days immediately prior to final scoring. It’s a rule made precisely for this kind of situation. “By standardizing the scoring process as much as possible, we ensure the credibility of our records. That’s very important for the biologists who use these data to compare and contrast outstanding habitat, strong recruitment into older age classes, sustainable harvest objectives and other elements of sound wildlife management. It’s also important to sportsmen in that all trophies are being treated as equally as possible,” said Hale. The Club’s April 19, 2014, announcement of the potential record bighorn is posted here. In that original announcement, Hale explained that found trophies have always been part of Boone and Crockett records because, even though they aren’t taken by hunters, they’re equally important for documenting conservation successes.
By some of the logic that you guys subscribe to, we shouldn't post trail cam pictures since they weren't bow harvested either.
We complain that our oppositions as hunters mindset is foolish and we need to outnumber them or at least hold our ground against them. We cant even post about something without guys not being able to argue against it. Something as simple as a guy posting that an incredible animal was found dead, leads to arguments within our own hunting community. In my opinion, anybody that cant just not post anything when they feel the desire to declare someone "wrong" in a situation when nobody is claiming anything, just posting something they found interesting, IS no better than our opposition. Cant we just say nothing sometimes? If it doesnt interest you, move on to the next thread and dont revisit. Instead, we end up bashing eachother instead of standing together, understanding that we will not always see eye to eye on everything. Seriously, a world record animal was found dead, someone posted about it, literally second post somebody has to be negative. A couple guys said it sonewhere in the middle of the thread, teeton being one i believe, not just sad for bowsite, sad for hunters in general. Im sorry for having read the whole thread, thats why i post my opinion.
