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Whitetail Deer
Contributors to this thread:
Bou'bound 27-Jul-14
ridgerunnerron 27-Jul-14
Bou'bound 27-Jul-14
cityhunter 27-Jul-14
Bou'bound 27-Jul-14
bigswivle 27-Jul-14
moosenelson 27-Jul-14
leo17 27-Jul-14
MaBow 27-Jul-14
TEmbry 27-Jul-14
jtelarkin08 28-Jul-14
Ward's Outfitters 28-Jul-14
Franzen 28-Jul-14
muskeg 28-Jul-14
moosenelson 28-Jul-14
moosenelson 28-Jul-14
Lucas 28-Jul-14
Bou'bound 28-Jul-14
Genesis 28-Jul-14
ridgerunnerron 28-Jul-14
ridgerunnerron 28-Jul-14
Bou'bound 28-Jul-14
Rick M 28-Jul-14
Medicinemann 28-Jul-14
Lucas 28-Jul-14
Tom Miranda 28-Jul-14
Bou'bound 28-Jul-14
Lucas 28-Jul-14
Tom Miranda 28-Jul-14
ridgerunnerron 28-Jul-14
TD 28-Jul-14
TurkeyBowMaster 28-Jul-14
moosenelson 29-Jul-14
wildwilderness 29-Jul-14
leo17 29-Jul-14
Hollywood 29-Jul-14
Nick Muche 29-Jul-14
moosenelson 29-Jul-14
Zbone 30-Jul-14
Bou'bound 30-Jul-14
Zbone 30-Jul-14
bigguy 30-Jul-14
Bou'bound 30-Jul-14
TD 30-Jul-14
From: Bou'bound
27-Jul-14
What are the deer species that make up the whitetails slam. What are the boundaries that make one qualifying species in an area versus another

27-Jul-14
www.whitetailslam.com created 8 subgroups in keeping with historic subspecies distribution theory, but also with consideration of habitat, climatic and other factors that have caused deer in these areas - and the hunting experience - to be distinctive.

Dividing lines can constitute a grey area where the deer are similar in appearance, and possibly genetics. That said, the further a hunter travels from these divisions, the more different the habitat and the deer become.

WhitetailSLAM uses eight whitetail deer territories to represent the traditional ranges of 8 huntable North American whitetails included in the WhitetailSLAM award recognition platform. The whitetails in these eight territories have the most recognizable differences as to size, appearance, habitats and adaptation in behavior to climatic conditions. The map below outlines the 8 varied habitat areas that have allowed the whitetail deer living in these areas to become strikingly different.

Notes On The Territories- The eight territories have boundaries that lie adjacent to other territories. Rivers, roads and county lines paint the tidiest of borders for humans to abide, but hardly contain whitetail bucks during the rut. Whitetail deer taken very close to these boundaries may be similar or identical on both sides even though general boundaries of traditional subspecies areas are recognized. Yet, like a small Rocky Mountain elk looks like a Tule and Alaskan brown bears are only recognized along coastal Alaska but bears on the coast of Northern British Columbia are considered coastal grizzlies even though these bears look the same, feed and act the same, the animals are considered different by biologists even though these subspecies reside in close proximity.

4 bucks shot from any 4 diff subgroups of deer is considered a Whitetail Slam.

8 bucks taken all 8 subgroups is considered an Ultimate Whitetail Slam.

From: Bou'bound
27-Jul-14
Is there anything higher than the ultimate slam that allocated additional recognition if it was done over a certain time. Kind of like if you get all the turkey in a single year or two of each in a single year

From: cityhunter
27-Jul-14
What about states that had deer reintroduced years ago from other states

From: Bou'bound
27-Jul-14
I think they use an astrisk ( *) for those lou.

From: bigswivle
27-Jul-14
I have six of those. Can I be on TV?

From: moosenelson
27-Jul-14
They aren't different species. Humans are all same just like whitetails. Sillier yet is the copyrighting of "slams".

If u send me 20bucks you can register a nelson slam.

One deer, moose, elk and bear in the same year.

From: leo17
27-Jul-14
I heard theres a new slam coming out, its called the urban slam, me and lou would be perfect for it it consists of 1 sewer rat 1 feral cat 1 stray dog 1 city pigeon 1 black squirrel

From: MaBow
27-Jul-14
The mega slam is when you can take all 8 of the deer species in the same year.

From: TEmbry
27-Jul-14
archery95 how about a DNA test from a Iowa whitetail vs an Illinois whitetail? Or a mid Mississippi whitetail vs a southern Mississippi whitetail?

While I agree there are certainly different subspecies of whitetail... to act like this map of 8 species for a registered slam isn't a bit gimmicky is naive at best.

From: jtelarkin08
28-Jul-14
THat slam is kinda silly to me.. I would much rather shoot a whitetail all the blacktail and a mule deer

28-Jul-14
We can help you with the Coues Deer

From: Franzen
28-Jul-14
What are we even talking about? I've never even heard of such a thing. Pretty comical though. Whitetails in southern MN are just so eerily similar to those in south Texas, haha.

From: muskeg
28-Jul-14
How does the Columbian Whitetail figure in ?

From: moosenelson
28-Jul-14
95: what I said is 100% correct. They aren't diff species. Asians aren't a different species. If genetic variation was the test then does and bucks would be different species, heck, even each deer would be its own species.

Talk to a biologist who studies caribou. Each herd has distinct antler characteristics. They even have different migration routes. There is as much variation between caribou herds as there is between whitetail 'subspecies'. Its a made up declaration. If that fact bugs you.....

From: moosenelson
28-Jul-14
So you interjected why?

From: Lucas
28-Jul-14
Muskeg, it doesn't, neither does the Carmen Mountians whitetail...

From: Bou'bound
28-Jul-14
The Carmen Mountain slight is totally unfair. That is a big miss by the slam creators. A big miss. How would they feel if they were a Carmen Mountain deer???

Damn bad that's how!

From: Genesis
28-Jul-14
Wow...ya'll took the bait.... hook,reel,boat motor.

28-Jul-14
mushkeg Johnnie- Columbia whitetail is grouped under Northwestern...again the subgroups have several subspecies and areas grouped together. I have seen private land pay hunts for $5k, so I guess not a lot of guys have not got off the couch and hunted these??

Lucas- they don't recognize the Carmens' Mt subspecie. I guess they gotta draw the line somewhere?? Neat looking deer for sure. Not too many hunters have got away from their computer and taken this deer.

I have NOT hunted either because of the higher costs involved.

28-Jul-14
Bou- maybe you should discuss this w/ someone like Tom Miranda??

The Carmen Mountain slight is totally unfair. That is a big miss by the slam creators. A big miss. How would they feel if they were a Carmen Mountain deer??? Damn bad that's how!

From: Bou'bound
28-Jul-14
Speaking of Tom Miranda I got an invitation on LinkedIN yesterday from him validating some some home based business on mystery shopping. Make $300 a visit. What the heck is that about?

If I get another message I'll ask him about what appears to be a very biased and discriminatory approach to Carmen Mountain deer.

From: Rick M
28-Jul-14
Bou,

The Carmen Mt. deer filed a lawsuit claiming they were being singled out. They wanted to remain just a Whitetail deer and it was purely discrimination to call them something else. They won but it is being appealed by the Upper Midwest Whitetail and the Coues in a higher court.

Oh, and that home based business that Tom sent you is a phone sex hotline. I tried it but apparently I am not as appealing as that "Jake form State Farm" guy?

From: Medicinemann
28-Jul-14
Bou'

I contacted Tom Miranda about that very email....he got hacked.

From: Lucas
28-Jul-14
Western Whitetails does a better job but is specific to the western states.

From: Tom Miranda
28-Jul-14
Whitetail SLAM

Hey guys- I thought I would chime in here on the Whitetail Slam.

Many years ago Dr. James Kroll wrote an article concerned that whitetails didn't have their own recognized slam. The reason whitetails were left out was because of- some of all that you have mentioned in this thread. But the main reason was that biologist's couldn't agree on the number of subspecies.. Some think 16 some 22 some 37 different subspecies. Of course with restocking and population expansions due to agriculture- many of the whitetail blood lines are not pure. [ of course many species of the super slam IE: tule elk, bison & others.... don't have pure bloodlines either.]

in 2011 famed biologists Dr James Kroll, Dr Harry Jacobson, Brian Murphy and Kip Adams of QDMA all looked at North America and helped to determine the 8 main sub-groups of whitetails. Their criteria was definitive areas of true sub-species, rut cycles, and physical appearance & size. Only Eight territories were formed because it was thought SCI's Slam of whitetails was too many animals- and it contained the Columbia whitetail which is limited and very expensive to hunt.

To complete a Whitetail Slam a hunter must harvest one buck from each of any four of the subgroups. Hunters who shoot all 8 subgroup bucks earn the Ultimate Whitetail Slam.

Method of take is also categorized so there is an Archery Whitetail Slam. Currently there are about 80 Whitetail Slammers registered.

It's free to register at Whitetail Slam, Free to start a Slam Page, and free to register your bucks. To archive a Slam, there is a certification fee for each buck and every hunter's slam page has a gage showing the progress toward the slam. The certification fee is for website maintenance and the cost of the awards. Slam certificates are personalized, custom framed and very nice. Plus there are gear giveaways on the website every week- all free to enter.This week a ThermaCell, DVD and can of BuckBomb.

For more information, Check out Whitetail Slam.

www.whitetailslam.com

ScoutLook Weather's Cy Weichert is a co-Founder of Whitetail Slam. Whitetail Slam was started to engage hunters to travel North America and hunt the greatest big game species on our continent. Also to bring the attention that not every whitetail is the same. Cy Weichert's website and weather apps for tracking deer and checking wind at your tree stand are amazing and also Free- check them out.

www.scoutlookwether.com

Sincerely, Tom Miranda

PS- Oh-Yes- My LinkedIn account was hacked- I am not sell snake oil or pyramids..

From: Bou'bound
28-Jul-14
That's very helpful Tom thanks for sharing that. I know I had the perception that maybe this was some over commercialized type of deal with guys arbitrarily creating some way to recognize each other and have someone make a buck or two off it, but you set the record straight and it makes sense now. I was clearly wrong in my assumptions.

Good luck to all who go for the four deer slam or those who ultimately reach the eight deer ultimate slam.

From: Lucas
28-Jul-14
No snide comments for Tom?

From: Tom Miranda
28-Jul-14

Tom Miranda's Link
Since I spelled the scoutlookweather link incorrectly- I'll add the link here.

28-Jul-14
Thank you Tom for your post. Greatly appreciated!

From: TD
28-Jul-14
Here all these times I heard of a "whitetail slam" I thought it was a sarcastic joke...... this has been very enlightening....

heheheheh....

28-Jul-14
The deer folks just copying nwtf. Turkey dividing lines are not without problems and deer will be the same. We got stocked with northern deer and some areas they remained fairly pure and rut early. Alabama has about 5 different rut peaks .

From: moosenelson
29-Jul-14
Less commercialized than I thought too.

29-Jul-14
Here is my idea for the ULTIMATE NA Deer Slam!(c)

You have to kill a deer in each of the 50 States of the US, Each of the Canadian Provinces, and Each of the Mexican States!

That would be a real adventure.

From: leo17
29-Jul-14
Sorry guys, I don't buy it

From: Hollywood
29-Jul-14
That does it! I'm out for the "Deer 50", only 44 states to go!

From: Nick Muche
29-Jul-14
41 states to go!

From: moosenelson
29-Jul-14
Crap! I gotta do all 50 states and 8 more provinces and mexico?

Guess I'm heading to Denny's cuz that's the only slam I can afford!

From: Zbone
30-Jul-14
Depending which book you read, there are between 38 - 41, or 42 subspecies of whitetails, with natural ranges all the way south of the Amazon River Basin...

That doesn't include introduced whitetails to such places as New Zealand and that have now been isolated so long, likely could be considered their own subspecies by now...

From: Bou'bound
30-Jul-14
Zbone

If that is the case it would seem the Ultimate Slam may not really be the ultimate. I wonder if someone should look at adding more sub-species to that and making it a Platinum Slam for 12 species.

From: Zbone
30-Jul-14
You guys and your slams, I prefer Denny's.... Just hunt...

From: bigguy
30-Jul-14
My whitetail slam would include a 125, 135, 145,155,165,175,185 and one larger. I could do it over many years and all within a 10 minute drive of my house. To me a whitetail is a whitetail. If its something else, they are already calling it a coues deer. I would never travel anywhere to shoot a whitetail just because someone claims it is another subspecies compared to the whitetails here in Saskatchewan.

From: Bou'bound
30-Jul-14
bigguy

then you will never get your name on the website or be certified! no personalized certificates in a custom frame for you.

your loss.

From: TD
30-Jul-14
Doesn't Iowa require a guide for an NR????

=D

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