Beware of counterfeit broadheads!
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If any of you purchase broadheads online through Amazon.com, Ebay.com or Alibaba.com please be sure that the seller is an legitimate, reputable dealer and that you are purchasing the actual licensed product. There are several sellers who are offering counterfeit Flying Arrow Archery, Rage, G5, Muzzy, RamCat, Bloodsport, Dirtnap, etc. broadheads at incredibly low prices. PLEASE NOTE THAT THEY ARE FAKE.
These counterfeit heads cause problems for everyone who is a legitimate manufacturer or dealer because they are undercutting everyone's prices. The fake heads WILL NOT PERFORM like the real heads do, are less durable and can usually be identified because they come in colors that the real manufacturers don't produce.
Since Amazon, Ebay and Alibaba are technically brokerage houses, they can't/won't do anything to control what is sold through the sites or who is doing the selling.
Let's all band together to help keep our economy and the archery industry rolling! PLEASE, I IMPLORE YOU, ONLY PURCHASE BROADHEADS FROM YOUR LOCAL DEALER, CHAIN RETAILER OR DIRECTLY FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
The heads look similar, but don't have the name stamp on them. They very well could be sub par as far as quality. I bought some Magnus look-a-like wanna-be's. For what I wanted them for, they worked very well. They flew true and spun well. Even if I get only one shot per broad head, I figure I got my money's worth. Sorry, but the name of the game is "free enterprise". As long as the buyer is aware of what he/she is buying and they are not advertising as the name brand product, I see nothing wrong.
bow_dude- FAA is clearly stating that many of these broadheads ARE claiming to be The brand name product and are IN FACT fake. If you want to buy cheap knock -off, piece of shit equipment all in the name of "free enterprise" be my guest. I on the other hand agree With buying only from a reputable source.
"and they are not advertising as the name brand product, I see nothing wrong."
SPOT ON FAA!!!! A new hunter friend of mine bought a knockoff head and after 4 hours of tracking I found his demolished head. Total complete Chinese JUNK! It cost him his first buck.
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I don't cut corners on my hunting and golf equipment. Ya gets what ya pays for!
Looking at all the money I spend on deer hunting ( I dropped over $400 today on fertilizer ), I for damn sure ain't gonna try to save $10/15 on a pack of broadheads !
Lungshot... FAA is stating that many of these advertisements are claiming they are name brand. I found none making that claim. Perhaps you ought to go to Amazon, get your facts straight and look it up before you jump on the band wagon. I just looked again to make sure I am not mistaken and none that I looked at are claiming they are big name brand. Infant, they list the brand name that manufactures them, and there are several different manufacturers. If you go by the picture, then you could be fooled. I am in the habit of reading all the information prior to purchasing something. If I choose to go with an off brand, that is my choice and you should respect that.
What really matters is if the deer actually care.
Beware counterfiet anything! I will promote a free market economy everyday of the week, market competition is a healthy thing. Only thing that matters is the utility you get from the dollars you spend and not what someone else thinks.
Simply put, you get what you pay for.
There was the argument on AT that some of these "knock offs" were made in the same plant by the same people as the name brand. They just didn't have the glitzy packaging and advertising. I always make sure to have the real deal as that's not something I'm willing to risk.
They are all made in china anyway,
I deal with the same thing in the bike industry. They are not made in the same plant. They are counterfits. Sometimes they will claim the real name sometimes not but they will always misrepresent what they are. It is quite frankly stolen intelectual property. If you purchase a known counterfit you are buying stolen property and aiding the thieves cause.
This bothers me as I've spent years designing and inventing machines for small companies only to have them reverse engineered in months. It hurts small to medium sized companies because they cannot afford to litigate. As a result, it often does not pay to file for a patent, trademark etc. Overseas companies know they will not be prosecuted. Very frusrating.
You can dang bet these knock off manu's aren't helping in the fight for our hunting rights either.....
If these companies do not want there products bootlegged then they should start producing them in the U.S. instead of outsourcing to China.
I wonder where the machine tools, that American broadhead manufacturers use, were made?
Tracker12, trust me, it does not have to be made in China for them to do a knockoff! I have some corporate experience with this in the automotive field. We would get our stuff knocked off and our stuff was made here in the U.S.
China reverse engineers everything no matter where it is made!
I tend to feel less sorry for companies that make their broadheads in China and then get counterfeit. If I shot a broadhead that was made in China, and counterfeit, I'd pick up a dozen to practice with and save some money. As you can see the broadhead companies are marking their products up about 4x based on the prices that these knockoffs are being sold for. I'd still shoot the real deal at game hoping that the extra $30 I paid for the "real" heads had a better QC process. All this said, I pay full price and shoot American made broadheads, and lots of them.
"If these companies do not want there products bootlegged then they should start producing them in the U.S. instead of outsourcing to China."
We have seen a lot of these fakes/copies, whatever you want to call them, in the RV industries. Products (converters, water heaters, etc) being made in the US, next thing you know there is a overseas knockoff. It has become a real problem in our industry.
"If these companies do not want there products bootlegged then they should start producing them in the U.S. instead of outsourcing to China."
It doesn't matter where the stuff is made. Leupold (made in USA) and Zesse (made in Germany) are both heavily counterfeited. When I was working booths at SHOT they told us to carefully watch "people of certain ancestory" as often times they were just there to take pictures of items to counterfiet or to steal samples. Sure enough one of the optic was missing at the end of the day, and it was even wried down so they brought wire cutters! And this was an optic that is restricted by the US government and not allowed to be brought outside of the USA.
The problem is two fold. Buyers and sellers. If no one bought them, then there would be no reason to make/sell them. Americans want cheap goods though so we sacrifice the rights of American companies so we can maybe save a few bucks. Prosecution of sellers and buyers is the only answer, but we know the demand for cheap goods will override that thought and American businesses will continue to suffer.
I thought all Muzzy's were! Doh!
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Products made in the USA will continue to be higher priced because labor is more expensive. You want to drive price down, then a pay cut is mandatory. Otherwise, sell more to bring price down, but as long as price is high, you never will. When you force the consumer to buy from one supplier, you've created a monopoly which means price now goes unchecked. Intn'l competition from "cheapo" products keeps the USA supplier honest...besides, you'd be surprised at how much USA stuff is bought from international customers because they get to sell their stuff in the USA.
We live in a Global Economy these days. It is what it is.
Well some manufacturers bring this on themselves. When you charge 45.00 plus for a 3 pack of aluminum heads that are made in China anyway.
I suspect that the retailer gets about 50% of the selling price. I would also guess that the manufacturer spend about half of his 50% on advertising, insurance, and various government mandates. In other word, the actual manufacturing cost are a fraction of the selling price. The Chinese competitor, on the other hand, has almost none of these non-manufacturing overhead costs plus low labor rates.
Perhaps those involved in the business can shed some light.
I have to agree the price of broadheads is outrageous. You can talk all you want but I know enough to know there is no way a broadhead has $15 worth of R&D, materials etc... in it.
True, the price is set because the consumer is willing to pay.
If the manufacturing process is labor "intensive", the price will be higher because you have to pay a top wage. In order for the manufacturer to make a profit with a high operating cost, they have to sell a lot or charge alot.
"The fake heads WILL NOT PERFORM like the real heads do,"
So in the case of Rage heads, the fake ones might actually work?
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Purchase your broadheads from your local pro shop and you will not have these issues, and you may actually have a pro shop 10 years from now...
"The fake heads WILL NOT PERFORM like the real heads do,"
So in the case of Rage heads, the fake ones might actually work?
Of course, everyone knows two negatives make a positive.
"You can dang bet these knock off manu's aren't helping in the fight for our hunting rights either."
Buy Rocket Steelheads. You're usually looking at $15-$23 for a 3-pack as opposed to $45-$60 and they're probably the most proven, toughest, longest lasting expandable head on the market. I get they aren't new and sexy, but they work :)
I wonder how many of these "knockoff companies" offer a lifetime guarantee on their broadheads? Come to think of it, only 1 American made broadhead company does that here, and offers the absolute best customer service....MAGNUS!!
JRW - haven't had a good RAGE laugh in a while... thanks Bro!
Why would a company offer a lifetime warranty on something that is designed to be shot into things unless their mark up is rediculaously huge? Personally I don't think that a lifetime warranty on an item like a broadhead is good customer service. The rest of their customers are paying for people who actually use this rediculous warranty. Why not just buy three heads and send them in for replacement every year? How long until they stop that warranty?
Magnus has been offering that as long as I can remember. Its called customer appreciation and standing behind your product with conviction not just to pad their wallet.
Zinger, how well is your broadhead company doing? Pretty sure magnus has been around longer than both of us. Why would you question success?
Sometimes a warranty is a marketing gamble. Shows they believe in their product so much that it can't, and won't, fail. If so, they can afford to replace the few that send them in...
A broadhead isn't really meant to be a "durable" good as there is no guarantee you will recover for extended use. The intent is for it to perform once. If you get a second chance, kudos for you.
If a broadhead is bought with the intent for lifetime use, just how much good are you doing for the economy anyway??? Seems like you're short-sheeting retailers and local pro shops on the chance to capture a repeatable revenue. Money needs to flow and circulate for an economy to thrive.
Because were all paying for these "idiot proof" lifetime warranties. Seriously why should a company warrant a broadhead that was shot into a rock or completely messed up because someone didn't know how to sharpen it? Same for optics, you drive it over with your truck and they send you a new one??? How about taking responsibility for your own actions? How is it standing behind your product when you warrant it when it's intentional or because of stupidity? All it's doing is running up the price of the product for those of us who don't need a warranty against abuse or stupidity.
Wow, never thought I would see such criticism when companies are grateful to their customers and warrant their products. Just goes to show you just can't win when your "idiot proof" warranty can't please the idiots.
Ever get a lemon? Im sure even companies as outstanding as swarovski has sold lemons. Sure would suck to drop 2k on lemon binos that didn't come w/ a warranty, but its all good just contributing to the flow of resources allowing our economy to thrive.
BTW, if you think a few company's warranties and your decision to capitalize on that given warranty has any effect whatsoever on the overall economy your ego is bigger than the interweb itself and there isn't enough camo at mossy oak to hide your big head from even the blindest critter.
Op, thanks for the public announcement.
X3 on the VPA comments. Durable head made in America and a Bowsite Sponsor.
Plus they will work with you if you get with them.
Get with Rayzor and he will help you select your last broadhead!
And that is all the copy cats have to do, say 'Made in the USA' and people will buy
Hook, line, and sinker...
Apauls is right. rocket steelhead 2016 model is about 19 bucks for a three pack and no broadhead is more effective.
I deal with hydraulic parts from all over the world. One of the newer package labeling says, in big, bold letters:
MADE IN THE USA.
Then in little letters:
from globally sourced components.
Pretty tough to avoid it these days. And the offshore stuff is spec'd out by the buyer. You can tell that company to make something to a certain quality and then pay the price. Or you can say, "make me so many of these for this amount of money". Either way you will get what you pay for. Many of the large offshore manufacturers are very capable of producing a quality, precision product, but only if you are willing to pay more than Walmart.
But "knock-offs" are a huge business and only because people fall for thinking they are getting something good at a hugely discounted price. It must be the same folks that fall for phone scams that think they really are getting a Rolex watch for $19.99 including shipping. You will probably have a watch that will keep good time, but you won't be showing off a Rolex.
Sometimes things are a good buy, sometimes not. You pay your money and you take your chances.
Zinger: Since you are unfamiliar with Magnus, let me assist in educating you. Mike Sohm, the owner of Magnus, does not have a huge profit margin, and for that matter nor do any other broad head manufacturers.
The reason Magnus offers that warranty is because Mike Sohm stands behind his product 100% and uses American made products to produce his broad heads.
Mike is also one of a very few broad head manufacturers who also owns his own company. Most broad head companies today are owned by large conglomerate financial institutions run by Wall Street. Mike does not have to cut corners to meet a financial return. He cares too much about the product he produces and continually tries to make it the best it can be.
I know of hundreds of people on this sight who have benefited from hats and shirts for their success with Magnus.
Yes folks, there are still old school entrepreneurs who stand behind their work. Mike is such a guy.
So if you want to buy American, and I suggest you do, spend the extra cash and buy something that will last and give you the best chance for success.
Keep in mind, a lot of "original" heads are made in China. The "knockoffs" may be the same heads without the name on it. The problem is, you never know.
To zinger and hde-No disrespect guys, everyone has an opinion as it should be but our Lifetime Replacement Guarantee is not a marketing gimmick and we have offered our Lifetime Replacement Guarantee since I started Magnus in 1984, 32 years ago as a 24 year old bowhunter out of his parents spare bedroom. The entire purpose of our Lifetime Replacement Guarantee is to stand behind our products regardless of the circumstances.
Is there people who make take advantage of our Lifetime replacement guarantee? Yes there probably is but my theory has always been to give our customers more than they ask for and as long as I am the owner of Magnus we will always provide our customers with the very best we can be with our products and with our customer service. No disrespect bow dude, but the counderfeiters are not even close to the same materials we use.We have actually had people who attempted to send in counterfeit heads for replacement, but its very easy for us to distinguish because every single head we make have distinquishable marks on them that we know about and come from our manufacturing process.
All Magnus broadheads are made right in Great Bend Kansas by American labor and materials. These counterfeiters have no values nor do they care they are breaking the law. Buying a counterfeit broadhead is no different than buying stolen merchandise from someone who has stole. Counterfeiters take money away from the manufacturer, the distributor and the dealer who are trying to make and sell the legal legitimate product and make a living. Thank you
Mike... I didn't say the counterfeits were made of the same material. I have some of your broad Heads (about 3 dozen stingers and buzz cuts) and they are great. But for the purpose I was using the counterfeits, they worked great and flew great. (Rabbit hunting, grouse hunting) Because of the cost, I didn't care if they got lost or bent or broken. The basic shape is similar, to yours but the sharpness is not of your quality and I did have to do a little tweeking in some cases to get them to spin correctly, most spun true. I have not seen any claiming to be your brand. All I have seen and purchased are very straight forward with the brand name they are sold under. None are claiming to be produced by Magnus that I have seen. That being the case, I would have to respectfully disagree with your statement that it is theft. Please explain to me how they are breaking the law. If they were claiming to be made by Magnus, then I would agree. That is not to say there are some out there claiming to be big name brands, but I have not seen any.
Bowdude most are using our name and the ones who are not using our names are in violation of our patents. This is happening industry wide and once again hurting companies and their workers here in the states.
We are constantly going after these companies when you shut down one another pops up.
If anyone is "Copying" a patented design or product they are breaking the law! Period. Doesn't matter what they call it.
and in MHO... Magnus is a great company and they produce Awesome broad heads! Mike is a great guy and will personally talk to you on the phone and answer any questions you have about any of the heads they make.
JMO:)
Scar.
"A broadhead isn't really meant to be a "durable" good as there is no guarantee you will recover for extended use. The intent is for it to perform once. If you get a second chance, kudos for you.
If a broadhead is bought with the intent for lifetime use, just how much good are you doing for the economy anyway??? Seems like you're short-sheeting retailers and local pro shops on the chance to capture a repeatable revenue. Money needs to flow and circulate for an economy to thrive."
HDE broad heads like Magnus and VPA are meant to be durable and used for practice, then sharpened and shot through multiple animals. You think I'm shorting retailers and manufacturers by using these heads but you are shorting yourself while I am stimulating MY economy. Sounds like you've been listening to Kenyn born, Harvard educated, constitutional law professiors theories on how to manufacture good products and run a sound economy.
Mike... Help me understand this. You have a patent on the shape? The one's I purchased are a single blade, no bleeder blades. Don't know if they are a single or double bevel cutting edge. How much difference does the patent laws require so as not to be in violation of infringement? In other words, Bear, Muzzy and many others make cut on contact blades. The basic shape is different, but many are similar. Blade angle and length appear to be the only difference between several brands I have seen. Most have a ferrule separate from the blade and many use a screw to attach the blade to the ferrule. Similarities, but different. I will have to take a closer look at a comparison with the ones I have and Magnus to see what the exact differences are. No doubt the steel is different, that is very obvious. Perhaps the attachment is slightly different?? It would be interesting to see if a Magnus Ferrule fits their blade and vice versa. At first glance, the shape seems to be similar, but maybe not exact. The "counterfeit" is a shinier metal and anyone familiar with Stingers would recognize immediately they are different.
As I mentioned, If they are using your name, I would have a problem with that. I own a Construction Company and have spent the last 20 years building up a reputation. Another local company has a similar name, but will sometimes shorten it when identifying themselves to half their company name which when done, is the same as my company name. I have received invoices and even phone calls from their creditors in the past due to confusion and sometimes unpaid bills. When I talked with State Licensing officials to file a complaint, they told me that while illegal for them to use my name, they would not pursue criminal charges. I would have to file a law suit at my expense and follow thru if I wanted anything done. They would not even send out a warning letter letting them know they were in violation of not using their legal name. Both of our companies do the same thing. No laws against that. That is where I am coming from when I talk about different manufacturing companies doing the same thing and free enterprise. No doubt, since my company started before my competitor, I should have all the business and should not have to compete against him for a share of the market. Wishful thinking that will never become a reality.
Thanks for letting me bend your ear. Just trying to understand where you are coming from based upon my business experience.
Link-I don't know what your deal is. Our dealers and distributors love our Lifetime replacement guarantee because it shows the kind of customer service we offer to customers who purchase our products, and most customers who use our lifetime replacement guarantee still purchase new broadheads.
Bow dude-no disrespect but it would take to long to explain to you the patents and such on here. We have a patent on our stinger, stinger buzzcut and bullhead broadheads, multiple patents. 99 percent of the counterfeiters are trying to use our names which are all trademarked. If a company is making heads which donot infringe on our patents and or our trademarks, than absolutely they have all the authority in the world to produce a product, no matter where it is made and best of luck to them. Also bowdude our blades will not fit other ferrules at least not fit in the way they should fit to be a good product. thank you
mikesohm/magnus
Never said it was a gimmick, I said it was a gamble. Don't confuse the two.
LINK
The only ones interested about personal economy is the individual themself. I'm not interested in yours and you're not interested in mine. Like it or not, broadheads are throw away tools in a hunting situation. Any broadhead can be used for target practice then put back into a hunting ready state. You cannot guarantee you will be able to reuse a broadhead over and over again even though that may be the intent. A durable good doesn't mean it will last forever as in strong, but reusable in general.
If these two broadheads do what they were intended to do, you would only need to buy 3 or 4 max. Why buy a dozen? Not supposed to ever need more than 1 right? That ain't doing your favorite broadhead vendor any good, now is it? Long lasting broadhead means the manufacturer will only make a one time sale for one type of broadhead.
If I buy a broadhead at a lower price that will do the same thing as a more expensive one, I have more dollars to spend at another vendor. I have just helped two business owners instead of just one. Before you spout off about comparing my understanding of economics to anything in the obama administration, you need to study the subject material first. It is clear you don't fully understand what you're talking about. To help you out, start with Adam Smith.
And I do know why VPA chose the material they did to make a quality product. It is people like you bad mouthing others that has turned me off to them. Sorry Rayzor.
rayzor or hde no disrespect sir, but our Magnus Lifetime replacement guarantee is not a marketing play of anykind, gamble or gimmick.
Our lifetime replacement guarantee is and always will be about giving our customers more than they ask for and to be the best we can be at customer service to our customers.
Our Lifetime replacement guarantee is very simple, if a person damages or has a concern with one of our broadheads all they need to do is email us a picture of the damaged broadhead with their name and address and we replace. thank you
It's time I enter with my opinion. I have tried many broad heads since I started bow hunting over 30 years ago. Many of them I either gave away or threw them away.
I started to use the Magnus buzz cut 100 grain heads approximately 10 years ago. I mentioned on Bowsite that they would break off where the threads entered the arrow. This happened 3 times that I could remember. Mike told me here on Bowsite to send them back for replacement. I didn't for a long time.
I learned from him that one of the earlier heads had a problem with the breaking that I was experiencing. He told me what to look for to see if I had some of these old heads. I did have some of them and I returned them to him. Not only did he replace all of them but gave me a couple extra of the new heads.
That is fantastic service and I do appreciate what his company did for me. THANK YOU MIKE! If I ever get a chance to visit your plant I hope to meet you and see your operation.
Bighorn you are very welcome, if you are ever in great bend Kansas don't hesitate to come by and see us.
One other thing people don't realize with counterfeit broadheads is they are not paying federal excise tax on their broadheads as is required of all broadhead manufs and other bowhunting items like arrows, sights quivers etc. This federal excise tax is used by the states or a large majority of the funds are supposed to be used by the states to help conserve hunting and also build archery ranges etc etc.
Mike... sorry to keep beating a dead horse, but you just confirmed what I have been saying all along. You said,
"If a company is making heads which donot infringe on our patents and or our trademarks, than absolutely they have all the authority in the world to produce a product, no matter where it is made and best of luck to them".
Every one is assuming that the broad heads I purchased are "illegal" and counterfeits. I purchased mine thru Amazon, and I trust they look pretty close at what products they sell. Ebay... well, you never know. I doubt it gets patrolled.
As a consumer I am after the most cost efficient product that will meet the requirement. No different than accepting the "low bid" on a construction project. It is always about the best bang for the buck. Doesn't matter if it is a multimillion dollar project or a few dollar broad head. As long as the final outcome fills the need, then that is all anyone wants. In my business, service doesn't buy loyalty, it only allows you a future opportunity to be invited to bid on another project. I still have to be "low bidder." I am not seeing a lot difference in our business's other than the product we are selling. The consumer is first interested in cost and then they look at longevity / durability, weigh out the pro's and con's and then makes a decision. Cost generally being the deciding factor.
bowdude I understand completely what your saying, but the products you are buying cheap is because they are cheating the system. No matter if you are a company in china or a company in the united states, if you sell to anyone in the united states you are required to pay federal excise tax on broadheads and other archery equipment. The low bidder on construction projects still pays the taxes required by law or at least they should be if they are not.
Excise tax can be paid by the manufacturer, producer or importer. Are you saying that Walmart, Amazon, etc. or their US distributors are not paying excise tax? And how do you know this? How is the foreign manufacturer not paying the excise tax, when the importer should be paying it, called cheating?
Your guarantee may not have initially been a marketing ploy, but spamming these threads and constantly mentioning the guarantee sure leaves that impression now.
mikesohm/magnus
Fair enough - if that is what works for you ok...
I will be purchasing your Magnus blades (legit ones) this season BECAUSE Mike came on this thread.
Holy smokes. Beating a man up because he stands behind his company and product? Not only stands behind it but backs it up with a no questions asked warrantee or replacement? I don't get it. My grandpa says "some people would b!#@% about being hung with a brand new rope." This rings true with this thread.
I thank you for being one of the only companies that are as faithful to their customers, as most customers are faithful to the brands they use. It's nice to see that for a change. I will be buying these heads.
Sounds like we are on the same page... In my business when someone under cuts my bid by several thousand, or hundreds of thousands of dollars, the first thing I think is "they have made a mistake and can't do the job for that price". In 20 years, I have only seen the low bidder back out of a job a couple of times. Though I believe a mistake was made or the contractor is using materials that do not meet the specifications (inferior materials), the project still happens, the contractor seems to make money and continues to do business year after year. There are Architects, Engineers and Project Managers assigned to the job that verify materials and make sure that the contractor meets specifications. I am sure in the manufacturing business there are similar "safety precautions" or "safety checks" that ensure everything is in compliance with the law. Still, there are those who do work "under the table", or unlicensed and not lawfully insured who are out there. Many "owners" look to hire these contractors to save money, and like you, it cuts into my business and takes away from the rest of us legitimate contractors. But to assume everyone that beats my bid is a cheat and liar, not following legitimate business practices or is not in compliance with the law is wrong also. They have just figured out something that gives them the edge on a project and are willing to do the job for less profit. Every owner who uses a lower priced contractor is not contributing to "assumed illegal business practices". When I spend hundreds of dollars putting together a bid that I am not awarded, or owners already have chosen a contractor they want to use but take advantage of the "free bid" that I offer just to confirm their pre-chosen contractor is giving them a competitive bid, it angers me. I just have to suck it up and move on. Bad mouthing my competition does not accomplish anything but make me look bad in the eyes of customers. I prefer to have a more positive attitude and believe my competitors are following the laws, those who are paid to enforce the laws are doing their job so I don't have to do the "policing", and that owners who hire contractors are "ethical" and only hire legally licensed and insured contractors. At least I can sleep at night knowing I am following the rules.
Purdue-Excise tax on archery and hunting items is to be paid by the manufacturer of the product and you are right importers are suppore to pay it for foreign companies, but I promise you the Chinese companies who are pushing their cheap products are not paying excise tax, I am not talking about the items which walmart as a exsample has made in china, I am talking about the Chinese factories who are selling on ebay and also amazon. Also purdue I am not spamming any threads, the only time I respond to any thread is when magnus is mentioned and some people still do not know we have a lifetime replacement guarantee. thank you and have a great day
So here is the type of business man that Mike Sohm is...
I ordered the wrong broad heads off a website... (Not really sure how I did that:/ OOPS)and they don't have the ones I need.
I called Mike and he said to just send him the broad heads and he would send me what I need. IMHO... That is very good customer service. He could have told me that I need to send them back to the supplier I purchased them from.
Thanks Mike for being a stand up business man! Good Luck to you Sir,
Scar.
Please keep in mind that it's not just the companies who outsource that are being copied. Even 100% American made heads are being counterfeited. All the Chinese manufacturers need is one broadhead, to get all of the specs and tolerances, and then they can start producing.
Before I retired I worked in Procurement for many years and I was a lead buyer and had my own group. We purchased approximately $50 million worth of equipment every year.
One of the products was end mills and drills or cutting tools. Some vendors tried to substitute with cheaper foreign products that would get dull very fast. Then, I would only allow certain brands that the machine shop said worked real well. Even then some vendors tried to slip in some cheap brand and I would return the inferior product to them. Same is true for memory chips for computers. They would work BUT, since they were a little slimmer than the American made product they would stop working after awhile due to "contact" in the slot that they were slid into.
I have seen this crap going on for many years and I have watched good American made companies go out of business due to lack of orders. Then, people would start complaining that they couldn't purchase anything that works anymore and that everything today was just crap. Well, by purchasing foreign products you are putting your fellow American citizens out of business because you are nickel and diming our countries businesses. Is it really worth it?
Skilled (expensive) labor vs. Cheap labor. Most of us in the USA have good paying jobs which means a higher price point to generate the same profit given a constant total cost. Same goes with using QC'd material vs subpar material.
The ones to supply a less superior product are trying to increase profit for whatever reason by driving down their total cost.
Don't get me wrong, I like a good paying job as does the next guy. But, you have to be willing to pay more for quality or if made in the USA.
Unfortunately, there are many Americans that lose jobs due to oversupply or outsourcing a commodity.
I think it's worth mentioning that made in the USA doesn't guarantee quality. It's a good bet, but not always a for sure thing. Just as product made in other countries does not always mean it's inferior.
Maybe people should apply the "Buy American" act idea to foreign products that they purchase. The government applies a 10% addition to the price of foreign products when bidding against U.S. made items. This helps to make it a level playing field.
I've shot Magnus Stingers exclusively for roughly 10 years. I switched to a COC due to a shoulder injury and a drop in bow weight. The lifetime warrantee is a great idea, and helped make me give them a try, along with other Bowsiter's comments and Mike being on here.
I love them, they work....they fly straight, sharpen easy, pass through deer and I shoot them into my target, sharpen and hunt. If they break or mess up, I can get a new one. I don't think I have ever requested one, but I did get a free T-shirt once from Mike in place of a broad head (at my request) and I am happy to promote his products.
Considering a 3-pack is still cheap compared to many other heads, I doubt I will ever send one in for replacement...I just keep using the ones I have and every few years but another 3-pack. My word of mouth has converted at least one other friend of mine to Magnus.
Customer service is important to me....and a lot of others that don't post here. Magnus does it all and has a great product.
Gee, I wonder what happened to Detroit car Manufacturers!
People are great entertainment........the best in the world...........better than a three ring circus.
We have a stand up guy in mike and a great company
they offer to top of the line product
they support it with the best warranty a consumer could ask for
they do it legally and above board with transparency and pride
..............and then there are people who complain about the product, badmouth the warranty, and support freeloaders who profit from the time, toil, and commitment of others.......in some cases breaking the law.
you can't make this stuff up.......you can only sit back and enjoy the show.
Unbelievable...America is going to hell in a hand basket, and we wonder why.
Everytime I look at a label on almost anything I buy, it says "Made in China". That to me, says an American somewhere here at home lost a job. I try my best to only buy or do business with companies that support American workers, but that gets harder to do everyday.
I wish there were more companies like Magnus...ones that build a top quality product, provide good jobs to locals, and actually have english speaking customer service reps...all here in America. I may never use their lifetime warranty, but I will always use Magnus broadheads because they stand behind them 100%.
If you want to buy cheap Chinese junk broadheads, be my guest...just don't beat up a guy and his company for providing a great product, an unbeatable warranty, and top notch service to folks who still take pride in doing things the American way.
Nobody making legit products in this business is getting rich. The price reflects the cost of doing business. When you see much "cheaper" knockoff products, they are cheaper because their makers are stealing: other people's time, money, innovation, investment, excise taxes etc. There is an old saying, the bad drives out the good. Keep buying ripoff knockoffs and eventually there will be no other products out there.
Screaming "Buy American!" while typing on an Asian made computer. Priceless.
Well, take a good look at the computer situation. They flooded the market with foreign made computers and our citizens gobbled them up and put American manufacturers out of business. This is happening to all items that we manufacture. Japan and China supports the lowballing of these cheap businesses. If you don't understand what they are doing then, there is no hope for you.
"Gee, I wonder what happened to Detroit car Manufacturers!"
There are more than a few "foreign" car manufacturers that are more American made than the big three.
Walmart. An American icon, free market bastion and largest retailer in the world. Where does 90% of their goods come from?
And who buys all that stuff in North America?!?
But I sleep good at night knowing my Toyota Tundra is made in the USA.
Americans buy all that stuff. A portion of that money goes to the foreign supplier. The rest into the pockets of Americans.
Today's messed up policies from misguided politicians and bureaucracies have done more harm to American workers than any foreign market could have.
Sooo... does all this "buy American" only apply to China, Mexico, Japan, and Korea? What about Zeiss, Swarovski, and other top of the line foreign made optics that so many swear by. Or are we selective when it comes to buying foreign? Lots of American made optics out there.
I bought some Broadheads on eBay last year. I should have known that something was up because the price was "too good to be true." A month or so later I saw a similar post on bow site talking about counterfeit Broadheads. Realizing mine were counterfeit, I called eBay to report it, and they said there was nothing they could do about returning the Broadheads and getting my money back because it had been more than 30 days since the purchase. They did give me a fraud hotline/ website to report them to. Before I did this, I sent the guy an email and politely told him that the product he was selling was not the real thing as advertised (as if he didn't know) and that he should check his suppliers. The next day, I received a refund and an email apologizing for the inconvenience. I was also told to keep the counterfeit Broadheads. I have never used them.
Buy American can be over stated. Sorry but just putting your money out in the economy helps. It is what makes the world go around. There is a trickle effect and even stuff ordered from over seas helps our economy. Someone here has to receive the product, some one has to deliver it. Sorry but all this buy american to support America is quite over blown. I shoot VPA and shot Magnus Snuffers for a lot of years. Buyer beware can be said of many things nit just foreign fakes and copies. Shawn
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DANG! Check out this link! We could all save a boat load of cash...and I'm sure purchasing these broadheads will be a great boost to our economy.
Seriously though... you can get 18 of these for what you would pay for 1 pack of Snuffer SS's, and still have enough money left over to buy an egg roll or two! Sorry, Mike! ;-)
What sold me, was the caption which reads...
"It ranks as one of the five favourite broadheads in the Hunting lovers"
Wonder what the other four are? LMAO!!
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Do you guys prefer the Black Devils?....or the Red Devils? I've been kicking the "DRT" all day trying to decide....
same ad..."High qulity and have a good performance after testing for many of times"
hahaha, Ah you rike my broadhead? Please buy, me ruv you many times.