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Contributors to this thread:
Bowriter 09-Dec-17
LKH 09-Dec-17
Knothead 09-Dec-17
Deertick 09-Dec-17
Stubbleduck 09-Dec-17
ahunter55 09-Dec-17
Bou'bound 09-Dec-17
Bowriter 09-Dec-17
Crusader dad 09-Dec-17
Bou'bound 09-Dec-17
Owl 09-Dec-17
Glunker 09-Dec-17
Bowriter 09-Dec-17
Bowriter 09-Dec-17
Wishedhead 09-Dec-17
Bowriter 09-Dec-17
Highllainsdrifter 09-Dec-17
Buffalo1 09-Dec-17
Cuts 09-Dec-17
Bowriter 09-Dec-17
drycreek 09-Dec-17
Rth1229 09-Dec-17
Inshart 09-Dec-17
TreeWalker 09-Dec-17
txbowchic 10-Dec-17
Bowriter 10-Dec-17
ELKMAN 10-Dec-17
KY EyeBow 10-Dec-17
PECO 10-Dec-17
elk yinzer 10-Dec-17
Bowriter 10-Dec-17
Bou'bound 10-Dec-17
GF 11-Dec-17
CurveBow 11-Dec-17
Bowriter 11-Dec-17
South Farm 12-Dec-17
APauls 12-Dec-17
Inshart 12-Dec-17
Nick Muche 13-Dec-17
Pigsticker 13-Dec-17
Bowriter 13-Dec-17
From: Bowriter
09-Dec-17
I have just been "picked up" by a daily newspaper in my area. The publisher asked me about writing a separate column instead of standard syndication and we were able to work out the details. Now, here is my question(s).

(1)-If you subscribed to a daily newspaper-does not publish on Sunday- what day would you want an outdoor column to run?

(2)- Is there any section in the paper you would want it, i.e. sports, features etc.

(3) What would you want to read? Remember, it is not all hunting, includes fishing and nostalgic fiction. And remember, I am a write, not a reporter. I don't cover tournaments or overly report on who killed what.

From: LKH
09-Dec-17
1. Thursday. Most hunters only have weekends. If they get used to you publishing just before the weekend, they'll be hooked.

2. Features. You'd be surprised at how many people never read the sports section, me included.

3. Stories on kids and other first timers. Education on things affecting our wildlife (feral cats, EHD, deer overpopulations, programs to allow bowhunting in those areas to control excess deer), private locked public land, how our becoming technohunters affects hunting, ethical issues (poachers aren't hunters).

Good luck

From: Knothead
09-Dec-17
I prefer to read "How to" articles and stories especially when the info or source comes from an expert in the area. How to tie knots for hooks & lures, how to cook with dutch oven, how to introduce new (non-hunters) people to hunting, how to apply in other states, glassing equipment & techniques, hunting out of blind techniques and animal behavior strategies, how to make a comfortable tent camp in all seasons, etc. The list is nearly endless.

I also like to read about "the state of hunting". As hunters what are we doing well, not well, what kinds of things are going on around us that will/can affect us etc.

Everything I read is online anymore but Thursday was always a good day. Here in AZ grocery store adds come out on Wednesday so viewership is a little higher on those days.

The thing about information now is that you can almost find an answer to every single one of your questions with just a little research using internet and YouTube.

Good Luck

From: Deertick
09-Dec-17
Just curious: What's the readership of newspapers these days?

From: Stubbleduck
09-Dec-17
Thursday is good. "Features" I would also agree with for the reasons LKH mentioned. Write as much as possible about the "Sidelines" such as sitting in a stand before daylight wondering just what is shuffling through the leaves under you, the curious squirrel and its activities, the pile of raccoon crap on the seat in your stand (Discovered in the dark), and so forth. If you can do it reasonably well humor will sell. Think about the sunset on your last deer hunting day of the season, the sunrise on the first day of a new season. Such subjects have been written about but not in your words based on your experiences. Your words and experiences can add depth and meaning to the similar actual experiences of your readers. That depth and meaning is added value to the reader and if supplied will keep them coming back. Be the careful observer / reporter of details available to all but noticed by few. Be the interpreter / philosopher providing an in depth or alternative view of the outdoors to those currently involved in outdoor activities as well as an introductory viewpoint to those just passing by. Best Wishes on the new enterprise.

From: ahunter55
09-Dec-17
Agree with LKH + maybe a then & now comment. Ya know then X number of archers compared to now. I did an Archery column a few years for a state dist. sports paper in the early 70s & had a Did You Know question each moth. Like who has the record for longest arrow shot & how far it was.. It became one thing readers looked forward to.

From: Bou'bound
09-Dec-17
Articles on getting access to great properties

From: Bowriter
09-Dec-17
Thanks all. oddly enough I just talked with the publisher. Column will run on Thursday, full page, full color every week. Also two to three HI features a month on front page of sports.

I currently have the longest, continuously running outdoor column in the U.S. I am about to start year 42. That column currently runs in seven papers. The daily that just contacted me is published about 60-miles away, therefore a readership that probably has not seen many of my columns. They will take some "conditioning" to my writing style. The publisher was firm about me not changing anything. LOL- His exact comment was, "That stuff you write is exactly why I called you. It is good shxx." I think we are going to get along, just fine.

As to newspaper readership: The dailies are in trouble in the larger towns. In smaller towns, they are doing fine. The weeklies are doing great, simply because they are primarily, gossip sheets-hometown news and sports. My home paper, published on Wed., runs an eight-page sports section and may expand to 10. In recent TN Press Association Judging,it swept every category including outdoors. It is strong. The daily here, not so much. The internet has cut deeply into newspaper circulation. The papers that concentrate on news or sports that is not on the wire, do well. 90% of my columns have never been news or how to. I write to entertain, educate, inform in that order. I do not report news unless it is something exceptional-they can get that on-line. I do no product hype. I write about things everyone can relate to. I guess that is why 42% of my readers are women who neither hunt or fish and I reckon that is what the publisher is looking for. So, my columns are done through February. Thanks all.

From: Crusader dad
09-Dec-17
1.- Friday's 2.- sports 3.- how to, first time anything, fictional adventures.

From: Bou'bound
09-Dec-17
How can we get access to all your columns. Any online versions or media alerts we can sign up for when one is published

From: Owl
09-Dec-17
1. Monday or Tuesday to capitalize on/align with weekend or MNF football news.

2. Sports or Lifestyle

3. "Heart of the hunter" pieces. We are poorly understood.

From: Glunker
09-Dec-17
If you go ahead, please provide a link if available for us to follow.

From: Bowriter
09-Dec-17
"How can we get access to all your columns. Any online versions or media alerts we can sign up for when one is published"

Here is the best way I know of. The Wilson Post-my hometown paper usually runs about two weeks behind but they do keep an archive. (1) Go to www.wilsonpost.com (2) Click on Sports. (3) Click on columns or outdoors-it varies and the current one will come up.

As for the new paper, have to wait to see how they handle it. I know it will be online, not sure of just how. Have a meeting with the publisher next week and if we still agree, will start January 1.

There is an alternative- If Pat agrees, I will post each week's column on here. I do that on Facebook but I think, to see it, you have to be a friend and I have quit accepting friends. Ask Pat if he is interested. Here is a sample, (in the next post).

From: Bowriter
09-Dec-17

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Three Guys-One Cold Night.

One of my big regrets is that I didn’t take more pictures. In the days before digital, it cost a lot to get slides and film processed. You had the cost of the film to start with, then developing. So, I was stingy and as a result, I don’t have a lot of pictures, I wish I had taken. As a result, I’ll make do with what I have. We are in the middle of deer, rifle season. As always, now that my hunting is no longer my job, I think back on some hunts from the past. For over 20-years, I was a professional hunter. I got paid to hunt, to hunt trophy animals. It was my job and it became a job. Today, once again, I enjoy hunting. And, I don’t work at it, anymore. That doesn’t mean I don’t kill deer. I am still good at hunting. Mostly, I shoot does. Antlers don’t mean much to me. During the 2016-17 season, last year, I killed nine-deer. It takes two or three for my family. The rest are given to people who need the meat. This year, I think I have killed seven. But this is about one night before I became a “professional” hunter…whatever that is. It is about three men, men who just enjoyed being out in the woods, living as men lived 150-years ago. It is a true story. I am the only one still alive to tell it. Russell Jackson, Mickey Pope and I had the tent up in quick time. We each knew what to do and how to do it. It was good tent, a big one, a Camel 12X10 with an over-fly and a great, waterproof floor. You could live in it if you had to. Cots up, clothes bags stowed, sleeping bags out and carpet strips on the floor. We were at a skidder location where a clearcut met the uncut timber. Lots of firewood. That done, I fired up the chainsaw. Mickey stacked wood. Russ set up the cook box, grill and chairs. That done, lanterns were filled and we were ready to go climb a tree. It was 28-degrees and we were in Hickman County on 5,500 acres of timber company land. Just us, no other hunters. Perfect. I had picked out a tree on a scouting trip much earlier in the year. Mickey and Russ had done the same. We were hunting ridge fingers off a central ridge. Our stands were 300-400 yards apart. I was up my tree just past two on the cold, blustery afternoon. I think, it was 1983. Anyway, it was one of the years we got doe tags for some counties. We each had one or two. My feet were cold in minutes. This was when I still had feeling in my toes and before I got good boots and learned how to avoid cold feet. I had been in the stand less than 30-minutes when I stood to get more circulation in my toes. She was walking up the ridge, about 60-yards behind me. The Savage Model 99, dropped her in her tracks. Fresh backstrap for supper. Then, it started snowing. It use to snow regularly, here. By the time I drug her back to camp, Mickey and Russ had a fire going and we quickly removed the backstrap from one side and Mickey, a professional chef, made a marinade. It was still snowing and the temperature was dropping. While Mickey made some sort of hash brown with onions side dish, I started the steaks over a pile of glowing, hickory coals. Russ mixed us all a tall drink. It was still snowing. We ate until we could hold no more. Then, over post-dinner, drinks, we told stories and watched the snow dance above the fire and melt in midair. Then, an idea came to us. Build the world champion campfire. Russ and I fell to gathering wood-big wood and Mickey began to apply it to our campfire. After a bit, we were throwing wood up to the top of the fire stack. Satisfied, we sat at a distance and admired our work. I recalled the old, Indian saying, “An Indian builds a small fire and sits close to it. White man builds big fire and sits way back.” About 10:30, we called it a night. We all had great sleeping bags. I still use mine. It is rated to -30. That means it will keep you warm down to about zero. We slept as though we had a clear conscience. I awoke about 5:30, my usual time, back then. I rather “needed” to get outside the tent. But could not. The zipper on the tent door, was frozen. We got the lanterns going and that thawed the zipper and I rushed outside. What a surprise. Eight inches of snow and a cool, morning temperature of -4. Coffee and oatmeal, fixed on the Coleman inside the tent, gave us courage. We ventured out. I heard Mickey shoot right at sunup and 10-minutes later, I heard Russ shoot. I climbed down, packed up my stand and started out. He came at a run. Down one side of the ridge and up my side. I braced the Savage on the side of a white oak and when he topped out at 50-yards, I put the crosshairs on the front of his shoulder and shot. Fat four-point. The four deer would have made a nice picture. Wish I had taken one. We spent the rest of that day, snacking on fried tenderloin chunks and gathering fire wood. We just enjoyed being out. It warmed up to about 45 and that night was a comfortable 30. It was a great trip, fun. Just three guys, hunting. I would love to do that again. Wish I had taken more pictures.

Guys-I have tried everything. I cannot get this to format in paragraphs-sorry.

From: Wishedhead
09-Dec-17
Anything but save the planet crap. Our local outdoor editor is a al gore clone

From: Bowriter
09-Dec-17
If anyone knows how to copy and paste and get it to format, please tell me. And wishedhead, I don't do eco crap. I pass Gore's house when fishing, sometimes. We call it house B.S. Built.

09-Dec-17
Thursday’s is Best day and I agree with it being in the out door section or features. Do a blip on interesting Animal stories from around the country

From: Buffalo1
09-Dec-17
I take the state newspaper (Clarion Ledger/ Jackson,Ms) on line. I think hard copy paper has articles on Thursday & Sunday editions. Normally has updates and hunting/fishing interest topics. Pretty good stuff.

The best newspaper coverage I've read was the writer for the Commercial Appeal/ Memphis , who wrote for eons. Been gone a long time. You may remember him. He always had good hunting and fishing updates and personal interest articles.

From: Cuts
09-Dec-17
As I'm driving back to Nebraska from visiting my parents in Lebanon, TN I kept thinking how many "incidents" I've had since starting my hunting career (all 3 years of it). Stubbleduck hit the nail on the head, and connecting with readers in a humorous way can garner interest from everyone, especially non-hunters. Every time I tell someone about the squirrel that kept screwing with me (chewing trail cams, attacking me, he even climbed above me one day and pissed right between my legs while I was sitting in the stand) they can't stop laughing. Face it, Bowsiters are a different breed of hunter all together. The masses aren't in it like we are. The best way to connect with them is with humor.

There are many more "newbie adventures" of me in the woods, and every time I share an experience it always ends in laughter. I've even used this method to change others opinion of hunting

From: Bowriter
09-Dec-17
Buffalo-Yep knew him fairly well. He was replaced by Larry Rea, does a good, too.

Cuts-I live in Lebanon, shoulda called. Who are your parents, I may know them.

Thing to keep in mind, I don't write for hunters or anglers...I write for people. My goal is to entertain. Very few how-to columns, no product hype, no, "they are catching them at XYZ on spinnner baits." I write stories, some true, some fiction but all with an outdoor theme.

From: drycreek
09-Dec-17
For the most part, our local paper's outdoor page sucks. I read some of it, but most is summarily tossed when I read the title. The editor/writer hangs with the monied guys and his hunts aren't relative to most of us. I'm not interested in the least in big antlers, pen raised monsters, or big buck contests. In all fairness, some of his articles are informative, especially the ones that pertain to new regs that TPWD might be implementing. I don't duck hunt or smoke crack, (they are one and the same), nor do I quail hunt anymore, and they usually have some of that scattered about. Take my opinions with a grain of salt though, because my Momma said I would bitch if I was gonna be hung with a new rope, so there's that.

From: Rth1229
09-Dec-17
Is this a paper I’ll be getting up here in Clarksville area?

From: Inshart
09-Dec-17
I agree Thursday - but PLEASE, PLEASE, don't write on the "10 best ..... bla, bla, bla" or the "10 lessons to ......"

If you go back and read some of the mishaps that are posted right here on Bowsite, that would give you enough type to last several months. Some things that happen to Bowsiters is just plain funny. Like sticking a knife into a dead horse and getting a mouthfull. OMG The list goes on and on.

From: TreeWalker
09-Dec-17
Nice story. Congrats on the gig. I have an old 1948 Royal Deluxe Portable manual that I bang out Thank You notes and AttaBoys to team mates. Sitting in front of that dinosaur keeps me appreciative of modern applications that spell check and format with a wink and a nod. The stories that typewriter could probably tell from 1948 on. No pictures, though, so probably best the stories go untold. Your stories, though, should be told. Congrats again!

From: txbowchic
10-Dec-17
CONGRATS ON YOUR COLUMN, THAT IS AWESOME! I AGREE WITH THURSDAY. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET TIPS THAT ARE RELEVANT FOR YOUR AREA ESP REGARDING PUBLIC HUNTING LAND AND NEARBY LAKES. MAYBE CURRENT UPDATES ON HUNTING AND FISHING REGULATIONS FOR YOUR AREA WOULD BE HELPFUL. ALSO THROW IN A LITTLE HUMOR TO KEEP THE READERS INTEREST. ALSO I WOULD RECOMMEND SHOUTOUTS TO LOCAL OUTDOORSMEN/WOMEN/KIDS. EVERYONE LIKES TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. EVERYONE LOVES TO LISTEN TO "OLD STORIES FROM GRANDPA" SO I WOULD DEFINITELY PLAY ON THAT AS WELL. THERES NOTHING LIKE A WELL TOLD TALE.

From: Bowriter
10-Dec-17
"Is this a paper I’ll be getting up here in Clarksville area?"

No, way east of there. Don't you have Owen Schroeder writing a column for the Leaf Chronicle? And, at one time, Steve McAdams did some writing for them.

Buffalo- were you talking about Henry Reynolds? He was a fine old gentleman but I believe Larry Rea has been OW the Comm. App. for quite some time. Larry is also the editor of Mid-South Hunting and Fishing News-a Bill Dance publication and I am on that staff.

txbowchic-you are dead on with most of your suggestions. I do a lot with female-lady women in the outdoors and always with kids. I do at least six humor things a year. But unless it is a drastic change in regulations, I leave that to the reporters and on-line bloggers. As I said, I am a writer, not a reporter, I don't use canned material. As mentioned, my column has been running 52X a year for almost 42-years. The difference with this one is, it is brand new. The paper has never had an outdoor column. After my conversation yesterday, with the publisher, I will change nothing in the way I have been writing-as per his instructions. What I will add is a second "news" short column with the "canned" material such as regulations, public land and if I can talk him into it, a picture of the week which will be mostly women or kids. What I do not want to do is go back to work. I am retired and I am not going to get back into something that requires me to cover a fishing tournament or some such crap. I'll leave that to the reporters, When we sign a contract, I'll give you TN folks full info. Now I have a serious decide to make. I planned to hunt this morning, it is down to about 19. But when I got out of bed, I fell like I use to when I was drinking. I told my wife-woman, I was insteady. She said, don't you mean unsteady? I replied, no, I am going to do something instead, I just don't know what. I am real insteady. That is your werd for the day.

From: ELKMAN
10-Dec-17
Sports section- Monday- Lot's of nostalgia. Good solid tips section- Secondary on political/ threats to hunting and our way of life.

From: KY EyeBow
10-Dec-17
1) Friday 2) Sports 3) Weekly hunting/fishing reports combined with informational articles for that time of year

From: PECO
10-Dec-17
Gear review. Not regurgitated propaganda from the manufacturer either. Time, field proven items, like the Buck 110. Also "expose the poacher". Anyone locally convicted of poaching will have their photo and info in the paper. Maybe some deer camp and wild game recipes too. Fishing report. Lots of good ideas so far.

From: elk yinzer
10-Dec-17
1) Thursdays 2) Sports 3) Real stories, bios about legendary old timers (the real ones, who are just someone's grandpap with a badass trophy room, not the shameless self-promoters) . Authentic humor. Real, honest gear reviews. Avoid strategy, tips and tactics in my opinion. Just too hard to appeal to a wide readership base with that stuff. Wild game cooking -- not your standard "put it in the crockpot with this and that soup mix"; I want to read about creative stuff and what some of the pioneers are doing with it. I'm all in favor of covering current events, controversial topics, but covered like a real journalist with both sides presented, don't feed me some BS that there is only one side of the story.

No mentioning specific tracts of public land or lakes/rivers/creeks for fishing reports. Mortal sin of outdoor writers in my opinion.

From: Bowriter
10-Dec-17
Elk Yinzer ...X10 on revealing tracts of public land and fishing spots. Won't do it.

From: Bou'bound
10-Dec-17
Do a story on the rifle hunting crappie fishing combo trip. That will be uncharted territory in print

From: GF
11-Dec-17
I thought LKH was right on; great opportunity to connect with folks who’ve never tried any of this stuff and just don’t get it. JMO, the best thing that could happen to hunting would be to have more columnists writing about it in such a way as to attract a readership of non-hunters.

And if you could reach non-Hunting females? The outdoor industry would never be the same....

From: CurveBow
11-Dec-17
Continue writing like your example! Stories can be told and as we age, there's a lot of them. Sometimes it takes a reminder to bring it back fresh into our minds....

From: Bowriter
11-Dec-17
hey Bou'bound-I have it scheduled for March-only it is combo turkey/crappie trip. I have killed a lot of "water birds". They love the $2 air horn from WallY World.

GF-42% of my readers are non-hunting females.

From: South Farm
12-Dec-17
It's your column, write what you want to write about...what comes from the heart...that's what will probably appeal to your readership. I'd also keep it fairly local...a farmer in Western Minnesota probably doesn't care much about bone fishing or zebra hunts. What day it comes doesn't really matter, for the most part people can read a "rag" in about 15 minutes these days and then it quickly gets relegated to starting the woodstove or cleaning fish on.

From: APauls
12-Dec-17
I'd say Thurs/Fri. Only magazine I'll still buy is Big Buck Magazine, because it is essentially filled with pictures of big Canadian whitetails and mulies and it is just stories of the hunt. Much the same reason bowsite is a big draw.

From: Inshart
12-Dec-17
I remember when Outdoor Life had the "This happened to me" page. I always got a kick out of reading the real life events of everyday hunters such as ourselves.

From: Nick Muche
13-Dec-17
Congrats on yet another column! Seems you've got several now. That's sure to keep you busy during the winter.

From: Pigsticker
13-Dec-17
1) Thursday 2) sports 3) information, how to, tell the unknowing about morels, blackberry dumplings, tactics, tips, and techniques.

Variety is the spice of life. Sprinkle occasional success of others, do not be a commercial for what most cannot afford, exotic works every now and then, and kids and women always work.

From: Bowriter
13-Dec-17
Nick-my semi-retirement is not all that busy. I'm in seven newspapers and two or three magazines on a regular basis. Still leaves plenty of time to hunt and fish.

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