Kill Them All
Whitetail Deer
Contributors to this thread:
For those of you who don't shoot every coyote in range, here is a series of photos shared on Facebook by Canadian Whitetails. I've witnessed this happen in person in Kansas by one coyote on a yearling buck, and it horrible to watch. My friend missed the coyote and I put the buck down because he was so chewed up. Every coyote you pass up has the potential to ruin your hunt down the road.
That looks like a HOT mess to me, Pat!
Coyotes gotta eat too ? Yeah, but not at my table ! I kill every damn one I can. I was just telling my hunting buddy that we weren't seeing any coyotes or even much scat this year and he proceeded to kill three in the last two weeks. Yea for him !
As awful as that is, it's the reality that Mother Nature can be a real bitch. All ANY animal does for it's entire life is survive and procreate. Eating is necessary for survival. What the coyote or wolf does is no different than what an owl, hawk or racoon does. The have to kill in order to eat to survive so they can procreate. Repeat as necessary until they die.
Do coyote/wolf populations need to be controlled? Of course! And hunting them is a great way to do that. But the hate some show towards an animal that's just doing what it's been programmed to do through evolution is off base IMO. It's almost like a hunter exhibiting an anti-hunter attitude towards other non-human hunters.
If you think about it, these pics can be used to PROMOTE deer hunting because then you can illustrate that in nature nothing dies "peaceful like". This is what kind of end awaits a lot of deer if they aren't taken out with a well placed shot like Pat did on that 'yote.
Coyotes here in MT are bringing $50-100 on the carcass. That will help some.
Woods walker x2, really could not have said it better. It's called nature.
I love my 6.5 Creedmoor. I've shot 2 deer and an antelope with it using the 129 gr Hornady SST and they die right away.
"........and they die right away."
Which is what we human hunters strive for and is what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom and is the only difference between what those coyotes were doing to that deer and what we would do.
"Which is what we human hunters strive for and is what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom."
I would refer you to the thread about 3 people getting shot in Iowa and the guy party hunting every year with his buddies and using 100+ slugs.
how many three legged deer do you think he's responsible for?
And I trap, snare and hunt coyotes but what WW said about the hate is amazing to me,
I think it stems from the idea that they killed "your" deer. Would you rather it live another year and starve to death post rut?
Every deer that doesn't get killed by us, hit by a car, or dragged down by a predator gets to win the jackpot and die a slow death starving. I'm sure that's fun.
Woods Walker- excellent observation and I totally agree. I try to kill all of the yotes that I can, but I certainly don't hate them for being what they were born as.
I just love to push a 50gr vmax into them at about 3000fps. Does wonders for their attitudes. Shooting coyotes with my rifle is my favorite past time in the off season.
Couple weeks ago while gun hunting in Ohio
I love coyote hunting and I don't wish suffering on any animal but seeing predators kill prey doesn't really make me angry at the predators. In nature there are few deaths that are swift and without suffering.
They are decimating our deer herd where I live, spent over 125 hours on stand this year and saw 1 young of the year . So I don't agree it is nature , we can't get them in control by trapping and in the hardwoods with no fields they are extremely hard to call into range.
I have no issue with kill them all. Might mistake a few really big ones as well if in some neighborhoods. But realistically you never will "kill them all".
Genetically the drive to eliminate competition for your prey is as natural as the drive for food and procreation. "Hate" likely is not an accurate description. Ingrained instinct more likely. Same thing that drives you to hunt in the first place. And doesn't make feeling that any more wrong than hunting itself.
It's why wolves will kill any yote/dog they find.... why my GSPs are sure death on any cat that happens to find itself in my back yard..... OK.... maybe "hate" has a certain descriptive angle in some cases......
elkstabber's Link
I don't hate coyotes either. Every day when I check my traps I'm always looking forward to seeing what I've got, if anything. Like hunting, most days I don't get one. But some days I'll catch a surprise. See the current post (link above) about the coloration of eastern coyotes.
I support all trapping and predator hunting. Many deer hunters seem to not give a damn about coyote control, this is in serious error. We all must do our part in proactive predator control. Private land is a good place to allow trappers to do their thing, always welcome the competent trapper and predator hunter on to your land.
The great thing about coyote hunting is the more you shoot, the more they make.
4 in one sit called in about 3 minutes
4 in one sit called in about 3 minutes
Double
Double
I better include a bow kill. ;)
I better include a bow kill. ;)
Pat I’m like a lot of these guys, I love coyotes... love killing them that is.
After seeing the picture of a yote dragging down a 10 pointer on our property off a game camera that weighed over 200 lbs we declared war killed 26 since last Christmas on our 300 acres in Tn Lewis
I didn't see any "elitist snob" attitudes in this thread. I shoot them on sight when I have the opportunity, period. Years ago I shot one that had a conibear trap around his head, wish I had kept that skull.
LINK, what is with the playing cards? Is that a tournament or something?
WW said it best. I take out all the yotes I see too. I just don't have bloodthirsty hate when I do it. Bottom line, they just need to be controlled. Its hard for me to hate anything in nature. You want to hate something that is an out of control wanton killer of innocent life and and kill it off, join the armed services and go fight terrorists, put your shooting skills to good use and your hate where it belongs. Or become a LEO and go fight the drug war. See if you put one through the eye of a 'bin Laden' from half a mile...use your practice from all the coyote hunting to make it count. Good luck.
Yes it was a cheap contest, 100$ a team, 20-30 teams, 50-30-20 pay out. The cards are an attempt to keep people honest. You call at sunup and get a message telling you which card to start on, kills have to be in order signed by both team members and time of kill, zip tied in mouth to rigamortis. Blown of jaws don’t count. The jaws are forced open with a screwdriver at the check in to get cards, if the jaw falls open your dq’d. The big contests use lie detectors but they charge 200$ a team with 50-60 teams. Most contest also have a Calcutta or side pot where teams are auctioned to highest bidder and it pays 2-3 places. The side pot can pay as much as the contest. A small contest winners can split $3k if they buy themselves in the calcutta, big contest winners can split $5-10k.
Coyote was shot first. Then the hen on top of the dead yote. Then 2 deer that came to investigate. I loved that yote!
Coyote was shot first. Then the hen on top of the dead yote. Then 2 deer that came to investigate. I loved that yote!
I know this is a coyote thread, and I also kill 'em every chance I get, but I believe the main threat to our whitetails here in the south are the feral hogs. They compete with the deer for food, and the deer here will not tolerate being in the same vicinity. I was watching a doe and two fawns last week when they became alert, and then left the field ,hell bent for leather. Then 22 hogs and pigs ran in. I was the only predator around , so I laid into them with my .270, getting a couple before they cleared the field. I don't have an AR but never wanted one more. They certainly reproduce and multiply faster than coyotes. I believe we can keep the coyotes in check but the hogs look like they are her to stay.
That’s a lot of bow killin in a short time Habitat. Very nice.
Shot first one, buddy was scoping 2nd one as it was doing mach 3 lifts his gun and says "too far." I pulled the .204 up, threw down and rolled him. A special kind of fun :)
Shot first one, buddy was scoping 2nd one as it was doing mach 3 lifts his gun and says "too far." I pulled the .204 up, threw down and rolled him. A special kind of fun :)
A special kind of satisfaction
Thanks. Killed three last year from stand. Have not kept track, but probably around 20 at least. All bow. Mostly a testimonial to the high number of them in this area.
I did a few contests. The same guys won every year. They were great callers but they were getting 12-14 in a weekend when other really good callers were getting 5-6. People were crying foul after a couple years so the next year they sent a chaperone on day one to monitor them. They only killed 2 and the chaperone said everything was above board so they didn't have to have anyone with them on day 2. They killed 10 or 12 on day two and won again :^)
Glunt in the early days of contests around here you had some stuff like that. Lie detectors have done away with most. The thing about contests is it’s not who can call the best. It’s about who has the most virgin ground(uncalled) to hunt and a bit of who can shoot the best. Great land can overcome a miss or two sometimes but when you know your land is average and you miss a coyote you’re really kicking yourself. 80% of guys that get into a contest don’t even have a prayer because the don’t have access to uncalled land. I’m thankful they don’t know that though as someone has to fill the pot. ;)
@LINK & Glunt.....Too bad people have to resort to that in these contests, but I guess when money is involved, people unfortunately do crazy things. Seen it in fishing tournaments too. Hell, I've eve seen cheaters in my son's cub scout Pinewood Derby with no money involved.
I have a Love/Hate relationship with em. Love to shoot em....hate to miss em.
Where there is competition there will be cheating. Just ask the Russians
Good job t-roy! Helping your quail and turkey population right there. Beautiful spotting on the one second from left. Hope he was mounted or at least a rug? Congrats!
I have to agree with Glunt. I shoot every yote I see, but it only makes it worse. The litters will increase or decrease as pressure dictates for survival. More coyotes will move in and more coyotes will be born. Ever if you extirpate them from a certain area, they will move back in. Fun to shoot though!!
Yep. He’s on my buddy’s wall as a full body mount. That was the best weekend we’ve ever had calling cats. The bad thing was, we couldn’t hit the yotes for squat. I think we missed about 8-9 of em that weekend.
Thorton's pictures are what needs to be shown when Anti-Hunters criticize our "cruelty" to animals. They the general public have no clue how cruel nature is and they need to have what is real in nature placed in their faces at every opportunity. DANNY
there can be nothing more cruel and painful in all of nature, than getting eaten alive from the ass forward... No sympathy here - kill them all.
And hunters are heartless killers - yeah right.
Only thing I gun hunt anymore. Love it tho!
"there can be nothing more cruel and painful in all of nature..."
No cruelty involved; they're just gettin' it done the only way they know how. It is what it is.
I've seen couple on a piece of private land that I hunt in some years. HUGE coyotes; wouldn't hesitate to take one if given the opportunity, but it's a drop in the bucket. Shoot all you want - they'll make more!
Yotes have become a real problem around where I hunt. A few years back we would see or hear turkey every time we went deer hunting. The last few years seeing and hearing turkey have disappeared and have been replaced by seeing or hearing yotes.
Talked to the land owner a few weeks ago and they are fairly certain they lost their golden retriever to yotes a few months back. Found his collar and chewed up hide down in the woods from their house.
As soon as bow season is over this year, the rifles are coming out....
"there can be nothing more cruel and painful in all of nature..." "No cruelty involved; they're just gettin' it done the only way they know how. It is what it is."
Exactly! Frankly I'm amazed that people who hunt as much as most all on here do could see it any other way. It's almost like predators get anthropomorphized because they kill the same game we do and we attach human emotions and failings to them which is ludicrous. If a coyote could shoot a deer and bring it right down like we do THAT'S WHAT THEY'D DO because it's a more efficient way to eat without expending the extra time and energy needed to kill and eat one hind end first. No, it ain't pretty, but not much is in nature when flesh and blood is involved. As hunters we of all people should understand that.
This is one of my favorite stories. I shot a doe which expired about 25 yards behind my stand. I always wait a little even after watching them fall, so I sat down on my stand. A litle later I hear some noise behind me and I thought maybe the doe was not dead. I get up and look and this yote is standing on top of my doe pulling at her skin. I shot him and this is how far apart they were.
On this one I was in the blind in the back ground and had a flambeau full body feeding decoy out. I had turkeys regularly visiting this plot and wanted one. The decoy was not at hunting range for deer, it was there hopefully to calm any turks that might come out.
It ended up working perfectly for me as this yote tried to stalk the decoy which brought him within 15 yards of the blind.
Looks like those coyotes got themselves a nice buck! Good for them.
I don't have any pics. I don't take many pics. Especially of vermin. But, I have killed as many as I can. Some with a bow. Some with a shot gun. Some with a rifle. I even killed one with my truck. Enjoyed that one more than any other. It is no different than any other predator killing another predator in the wild. It isn't hate. It is natural.
I know many of here think it is ridiculous to say you hunt to feed your family. Well, I do. I also kill coons because they kill my chickens. I kill possums and skunks too for the same reason. You guys confusing it as hate need to stop and consider what the human hunters are saying is based on the same reasoning as I exhibit towards these chicken killers. It isn't hate that drives these actions. It's based on the respect these guys have for the animals these predators kill.
God Bless men
WV M: I agree 100% nor do I think we should talk about eradicating them all as yotes are critical for rodent control. Saying we want them eradicated ignores our roles in all of this and that's conservation.
I love having fun as the next guy but I don't want any animal eradicated (accept maybe squirrels because they drive me crazy when on stand).
Also, I am not worried about yotes on WT populations. If you were showing mule deer or antelope but never WT. Coyotes will never stop the WT population from growing.
I don’t hate coyotes, I’m just not gonna let them live if I can help it. Now hogs, I hate !
And if you don’t hate the bastards. you either don’t own land, or you have very few hogs. It’s just that simple.
While I would like to take one coyote with my bow, I have no desire to to kill them because they are killing "my" deer. They are killing to survive. And many/most of you are killing them because it all about a damned deer. If it were a squirrel, groundhog, or even a turkey you guys could care less.
SD male
SD male
This one slowed the factory down.
SD female
This one slowed the factory down.
SD female
Another SD female
Another SD female
I did the male a favor that came into this set up.
Wow he had mange bad.
I did the male a favor that came into this set up.
Wow he had mange bad.
I am with Tobinsghost. It don’t matter what I am hunting. I see a coyote I am coyote hunting.
Any series coyote caller will have a lot of respect for them. There a very crafty animal.
Yes they are. They sure know how to survive.
I raised sheep for 20 years. Still have chickens running around the place. When it comes to coyotes it is as my nephew said shoot them all and stomp the eggs.
Habitat, You have some very nice colored yotes!
I kill every yote I have the chance to kill.
Had 10 deer come in single file followed closely by s coyote, the 10 deer got a pass ...
I have to chime in here. I dont shoot yotes but dont have any problem with those that do. I see yotes and deer all the time and have never, never seen a yote chase a deer. All the yotes I see are hunting small game, mice mainly. In fact the deer barely react to them. no one knows the back story on the buck in the first picture. Could have been injured, sick or shot by someone.
A buck my dog found Monday morning that was shot Saturday about dusk. We are trying to get Eastern turkeys established on this place. My guess is, it will never happen....
I lost an entire buck in 8 hours on my farm in KS. They ate every shred of muscle from rear legs up under the cape. There was nothing left and the crows were sitting on the hide the next morning.
My coyote trapping started in 2012 after an EHD outbreak. Our deer herd took it on the chin and I decided to pursue something that was more prevalent. The more I started studying the coyote, the more respect I developed for this animal. This catch photo was my third year trapping them. My passion for them has led me to a graduate degree soon to be completed this upcoming May. I enjoy trapping coyotes like I enjoy shooting turkeys, deer, elk, waterfowl, or any and all other animals. I think that a healthy respect for any resource we pursue is needed for a positive perception for those individuals that may "ride the fence" whenever it comes to hunting and/or trapping.
Dang reload, nice catch! Lot of work to catch that many!
WOW! And I see you're in Illinois.....GREAT! They sing us to sleep here just about every night.
Gonna need a bigger barn!! Wow!
Old picture I posted still makes me sick Lewis
I've shot many coyotes and have seen them chasing deer more times than I could count. Boys caught their first coyote in a foothold (MB) and here is the pic - a little fuzzy since we check the traps just before its good light. He wasn't too happy to see us...
--Mitch
Shot three from the same tree with bow that day. Always shoot them rather than deer.
Scoot what deer - mule or WT? Never buying the WT argument but will MD because they are just dumb as stumps.
I killed my share of coyotes with my bow through the many years I hunted. But once my daughter got a dog (not to my liking at the time) and dropped him in my lap, I fell in love with pup and it changed my whole opinion on coyotes too. I can't and never will kill another coyote, fox, etc. I just have too much respect for all dogs species. And coyotes have become very special to me and I have gained a huge respect for them and in their ability to survive, hunt and make the most out of very hard situations. After all they can't go to the store to buy their food, they have to hunt it. I respect that and their ability.
With all that said I do understand how many of you feel, as at one time I felt about the same.
Have a very Merry Christmas and the Happiest of New Years.
BB
Sage..... I’ve seen them take down wt fawns a couple of times, plus, anytime a yote shows up on the field edge, or in the timber, for that matter, the deer are, at the very least, on edge, and more often, will blow out of there.
A lot of gratuitous death here
I have seen coyotes chase deer on multiple occasions. I shot a doe one night and watched a coyote hit the blood trail and take off. I bailed out of the tree and got there as he was opening her belly. I moved too quick and didn't get a shot on him though. I left a pair of does I shot one evening to go get my cart, left my hat on them, and by the time I got back they had started on the hindquarters. Left a buck overnight and they ate half of him.
First coyote I ever shot was chasing deer and just happened to stop in a bad spot for him, good spot for me.
Wildone, I shot 3 in one morning in 2011. Tried to kill a 4th and it decided something bad was happening to his buddies and took off.
I have seen coyotes chase deer on multiple occasions. I shot a doe one night and watched a coyote hit the blood trail and take off. I bailed out of the tree and got there as he was opening her belly. I moved too quick and didn't get a shot on him though. I left a pair of does I shot one evening to go get my cart, left my hat on them, and by the time I got back they had started on the hindquarters. Left a buck overnight and they ate half of him.
First coyote I ever shot was chasing deer and just happened to stop in a bad spot for him, good spot for me.
Wildone, I shot 3 in one morning in 2011. Tried to kill a 4th and it decided something bad was happening to his buddies and took off.
When I saw this my emotional response was kill them all. My rational response was very different. The coyotes that killed this deer ate their fill then other animals came in to complete the job. Many of us are worse. I try to kill cleanly because I hate to see an animal suffer. I spend the extra time to sharpen a sharp broad head so it will slice and let the blood loss take a life. how can we justify killing another predator and holding it in contempt. I cant in good conscience do that. The best I can do is to kill quickly and honor the animal with each meal my family and friends enjoy due this animal. As I grow older my biggest fear is not who takes a big buck but what will happen when we get so far from nature that we don't care about the plants and animals in the lands around us. Stay well and shoot straight, Bob
Well said greenmountain, well said.
"how can we justify killing another predator" It's as easy to justify as trapping a rat or spraying for cockroaches or termites or any other pest and vermin that is a detriment to my life. Every damn one of em part of "nature", every bit as much as any other species. And while the "I only kill what I eat" crowd can eat one if they wish, leave me out of it. You can even choose to live in harmony with them if you wish. My goals are certainly different. Rats, feral cats, cockroaches, yotes..... yeah.... all you can..... every one you can....
I've always upset anti-hunters asking them what they do when they find rats or cockroaches in their home, do you kill them? Hire someone to? (same thing)..... if they are fine with it I ask them their address and I'll send em my vermin...... never get an address.....
TD: You left out the other part of greenmountain's statement......
" how can we justify killing another predator......... and holding it in contempt."
No one's saying that predators shouldn't be controlled by hunting. What some of us find inconsistent is that the same people who kill the same deer as the coyotes do and have no problem with it (and they shouldn't) are then saying that the coyote is somehow contemptible for doing it but they're not??? The only difference is that we do it for sport and the coyote does it for survival. Trust me, if we HAD to kill a deer in order for us or our loves one's to survive we'd kill them in ANY way we could, and that would include eating them alive.
I hold a yote in no more or less contempt than a rat, cockroach or termite. I saw too much damage by them to people's livelihood growing up. To the point where they held bounties on them. Is a rat trapped for sport? (even though I have shot a good many of them with pellet guns in what could be considered sport...) Wolves in the day were poisoned. The bovine I kill (however directly or indirectly) for food was not done for sport. It's life was the same as any deer or elk. Yet that yote threatens that calve/cow/steer, fawn, lamb, fowl I am to take/eat. I have no more issues with that than the rats or cockroaches. Termites eat your home for survival, is that a pass? Everything eats something for survival, including man. We spray for weeds in our crops too. Again... all "nature" and natural life. They conflict with mine. That is all the reason I need. I see no need for striking much of a "balance" of them for any more reason than any other vermin or weeds.
Truth be told, in the end of days there may only be rats, cockroaches, termites and yotes left when we are long gone..... kill all you can.... it will still not be enough...."control" or "management" simply feel good semantics....
No one is forced to hunt them.... or "control" them. Judging those who do? Pat's statement was pretty spot on......
Bottom line: old Charlie is a slick tricker. Believe him and the possum will walk on our graves.
Sage-- both. But, 95% of my experience is with whitetails. If you don't believe that regarding whitetails and coyotes, you are simply misinformed or refusing to believe reality. I've watched it several times and the mortality info is undeniable. Seeing coyotes work when fawns are newborn is pretty amazing- they are efficient and impressive killers of deer. Also seeing coyotes kill in deep snow is impressive too. They are hell on deer in the right conditions (which occur every year around here).
I shot one of four coyotes that was hunting a whitetail doe. I shot the doe as she pushed by me. I didn't know at the time the yotes were pushing her. I watched her fall. I set back down and was thinking if I had just screwed up. Knowing something had bumped her to me. And, being it was November the 8th, I was praying it wasn't going to be a big buck.
Within a minute I saw them coming along trailing her. The one I shot come in and smelled the arrow and busted. I ended up wounding him. They have a bad tendency to move upon hearing the bowstring and arrow coming at them. Forcing me to kill him later with a firearm. In which I did. The others scattered but, they found my deer when doing so. They pounced on that deer like a vulture. I hollered. The hair was flying, they stopped long enough to look at me and go back to their business. I climbed, half jumped out of the tree and run down there. They nearly eat one hind quarter, the butthole, and some of the bottom quarter before I could get down there and run them off.
Fast forward 7 years. I was watching a field in late summer deer scouting and coyote sniping. The field had about 10 mature does and off spring in it. A coyote entered on the far side and was moving to fast for a shot at 500 yards. It was coming closer so I watched. It was also coming closer to the does. When it crossed the 350 mark, the deer smelled it. One big doe started a march toward the yote. The yote continued on, unbeknownst the deer had turned into the aggressor. Neither could see the other due to a rise in the field, When they met head on, 40 yards separated them. The doe never flinched but head long charged him. The coyote never flinched either and turned to run for its life. When they left the field she was hot on his tail.
Two examples of how nature works with individual situations and animals. However, when coyotes pack up, they are as effective as any wolf pack. And, in some areas, it is becoming more common for them to do so. They are also extremely effective at killing young of the year deer. Or, any deer in deep snow. And, in some instances, meaning certain areas and places, they have had very little effect on the whitetail deer herd. Yet. However, the undeniable fact is if they are around the herd long enough, sooner or later they learn to kill them to some extent.
People are complaining country wide about prey populations being down. With federal protection of huge birds of prey, no more trapping in lots of places and less than stellar participation in others, less outdoors people to show interests in protecting these prey species, and an increase in 4 legged predators of all sorts, everything we hunt is under a huge amount of stress they didn't have 20 years ago. And, the animals we depend on to feed our family's and provide soul cleansing therapy are suffering from it.
Coyotes will feed on less dangerous animals when given the chance. But, so does everything else. so, it is just a matter of time before they switch from viewing deer as sometime opportunity, to something they depend upon for survival. So, kill all you can. Every time you can. Don't play fair. They don't. If they were to ever wipe out the deer herd, they are going to start on you and your kids. So, play to win.
I shoot them every chance I get...Coyotes have survived and increased despite Our best efforts to eradicate them over time...When this Old World is Over and Done...there will be 2 things alive...Flies and Coyotes...4finger
Who said anything about giving them a pass? They NEED to be controlled, just like deer. But to start hating them because you assign HUMAN characteristics to them is just plain......well......."bunny hugger" mentality. They are simply predators doing what predators do to survive. They are not better or worse than the deer that we honor so much.
No one is assigning human feelings to it as you claim. The problem you and a few others are having is in response to the natural behavior one predator gives another predator. They kill them whenever they can. No Disney feelings involved.
It's the same thing here. Saying otherwise 10 times doesn't change that either. The only thing that it does is assign an unnatural, "bunny hugger" value to the coyote.
Hello guys and gals: To be clear I take a coyote when the opportunity is offered. I wish they were not around but they are.I don't hate them. I wish we as hunters could kill cleanly and leave the guts etc in the woods for he scavengers. I live by the creed that human hunters try to kill cleanly or not at all but I can't hate those who kill in a way that they can for survival
Everyone or thing has it's place on this earth. And like other shave said I have a high regard for the ability of the canines and cats to live and survive. They are hunters like the rest of us.