No, I’m not gay (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
For those of you who remember 2008, I wrote a political blog on Bowsite. com about Sarah Palin - the first "Dream Babe. " Now we have a new "Dream Babe" - who just happens to be a very smart and charismatic Congressman who not only identifies himself as a ‘Bowhunter’ - but as of today the Secret Service does too (Codename: Bowhunter).
Despite your politics, you can’t help but admire this young politician. He’s the chair of the House Budget Committee, a devoted husband and father, an avid fitness buff, considered a financial expert even by President Obama, but most important to all of us - he’s a bowhunter and a good one at that.
Paul hails from Wisconsin and despite his schedule does a fair bit of whitetail hunting there. For a recent feature in TIME Magazine Paul Ryan used a photo of him drawing a Mathews Bow (also from Wisconsin). That’s a ballsy move considering only a tiny fraction of the US population bowhunts. While it would be ‘safer’ to hold a baseball glove, or a nine iron, he chose a bow and that’s just cool.
But there’s more to like. According to Jay McAninch, CEO and President of the Archery Trade Association, Paul insists on paying for all his own stuff. Unlike most of the politicians and celebrities that not only expect free hunts and gear - they insist on it, Paul Ryan does the opposite. He won’t take a free hunt or gear and he pays for everything himself without announcing it. He has also helped the archery industry on several occasions.
So let’s add this all up. He’s smart, fit, classy, good looking, a great speaker, and he kills critters with a bow.
MSNBC must be going nuts!
It makes me think the anti-hunting; gun hating crowd has already lost. I remember the days when public figures did all they could to hide their passion for hunting and guns. But now, even liberal Democrats see hunting as a way to reach blue dogs and independents. While I doubt we’ll see Obama spraying deer urine along a rub line, I do expect to see Joe Biden in black face paint lead a pack of hog hounds into the Florida swamps. "Unchain those dogs!" He shrieks as he runs through the swamp - a hunting knife clutched by his perfectly bleached teeth.
No doubt, this is true progress. And whether Romney/Ryan win or lose this November we can all agree that the image of Bowhunters is a bit more favorable to the average citizen. Nike and Coke pay giant bucks to have smart, respected public figures represent their brands. We Bowhunters just got one for free. This has been a good month for us and it will be even better if Romney/Ryan win in November.
But my motivation for this article is not just about how cool Ryan is, it’s also my small attempt at a Get-Out-The-Vote effort with you - our visitors. The fact that Ryan identifies himself as a Bowhunter is immeasurably positive for those of us who live and breathe archery season. But there are things far more important than hunting facing this nation. We have vast unemployment, out of control deficit spending, class warfare, and a President that hypocritically demonizes successful businesses while he spoons with celebrities in Hollywood. I didn’t vote for Obama, but I love our country and hoped that his rhetoric held true and prove this skeptic wrong. Unfortunately I was right, and what has happened since January 2009 can only be described as a failed experiment of epic proportions.
I come from a family of Democrats, many of my friends are Democrats, and lots of you are too. This isn’t about Democrat or Republican. It’s about preserving the Constitution, maintaining our leadership position in the world, and passing to our children a Country that’s stronger than the one my generation inherited. Unfortunately our elected officials have failed us - on both sides of the aisle. What we are looking for is leadership. Not pandering to interest groups and kicking the can down the road. I think Americans are ready to make tough choices. I know I am. I am willing to sacrifice for the good of the nation so long as the money is well spent. That’s why I like Ryan. He’s not sugar coating the hard pill we need to swallow. The fact that he’s a bowhunter is just gravy for my fiscal backstraps.
As a bowhunter who owns a successful small business I think it’s time that Republicans, Democrats and Independents alike took a hard look at the realities facing our nation. And while we may be distracted chasing a 300 inch elk or a 150 class whitetail this fall, understand that the very foundation that provides the freedom to hunt - or to buy a Mathews bow from a successful small business- may be at stake this November.
Romney made a good choice. Now it’s your turn to make a good choice.
I agree Pat.This election should not be about Democrat or Republican. We have some serious issues concerning the health of this nation and the direction it seems to be heading. I believe that congress is just as much to blame as the presidents. Go back and look into history and consider the great empires and see the reasons they fell. They fell from "within and not from without." The major reasons listed in practically all of them are very prevalent now for the United States. Power,Wealth, Greed and Morality. The haves and the have nots. We are the oldest know goverment of supposed democracy that has ever existed and we could very well be on the verge of having that changed. As they say,"History repeats itself." lareva
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation .. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." ~~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931
I also love the blue collar back ground of the interview.. Nothing like a stack of pallets and rolls of steal to tell you where America needs to be and that he is comfortable there, rolling up his sleeves and getting dirty if need be.
Maybe more people will see us bowhunters as more than just a bunch of rednecks, and realize we come from all walks of life. I hope people get out and vote,I hope even more that they vote for someone who loves and enjoys our sport with us.
Its all up to us...the numbers are scary but not too big to fix...YET...4 more years on this path and they will be..the damage will be pretty much irreversible...it needs to happen right now this year...this is the most important election our country has faced in the past 20 years. we need to all encourage everyone we know to educate themselves on the topics at hand and get out and vote..hopefully the nation will speak and make us proud!!! I dont know about you guys but i am pretty pumped up after last weeks RNC...i think we have a real shot at this..lets all hope
100% My family owns a small business as well and has a huge stake in how this ends up. For my 4 kids I want at least the same country I grew up in and my vote goes to those that choose to strictly uphold the constitution and the belief that God not government has given us our rights and that life and liberty for ALL is paramount. Thanks Pat for doing this!
I agree and right now this ticket has my vote. But i wouldn't have reminded anyone that you wrote such a glowing review of Sarah Palin. That dingbat was a significant factor in getting Obama in office.
Dishonest, delusional proposals, incorrect position on social issues. Not that this will convince anyone... Romney's a liberal trying to act like a conservative, Ryan's a Tea Bagger trying to seem reasonable. No good.
Agree-I had mentioned to my wife I liked him b/4 he was chosen & I did not know he was a hunter, outdoorsman. I vote for what I feel is best for our country so, I have voted on both sides AND I exercise my right to VOTE for the one I think is BEST.
I just wish that one of those folks that we support with our hard earned tax dollars would come mow my lawn in return. I'll even furnish the mower and gas all they have to do is run the thing. That would be crual like asking for a drug test to get their check. Go Romney/Ryan!!
So wrong on so many levels, Pat. I'll come here to check my state forums but as far as my purchase dollars, they will NOT go through here, ever again.
Our sport is dying, and drawing political lines like these at such a critical time in our history . . . you're defeating your purpose.
And to close, the comment about "Michelle's sanitary products" - wow. You can never be accused of being classy. At all. Dunno if you have a daughter, but how about I go and say that about her on some public sites, and use her name? Feel any differently now?
I have to assume your comments are not in jest? delusional proposals, incorrect position on social issues!
Kinda reminds me of the women that had a comment in our local newspaper that stated she felt Paul Ryan was not qualified because at the RNC he did not address women's rights and global relationships...hello...global relationships?? The ship is sinking and we want to hold hands and sing 'we are the world'?
Pat I may borrow some of your comments in my attempt to sway some people who are undecided (which blows my mind that anyone can possibly find a way to think another 4 years of Obama would be good for us) if you don't mind. You took a risk with this article and I just wanted to let you know that I support what you've written. Let's hope early November is good to us in the woods and the elections...
110% Agree ...Ryan is a bright fresh mind in a political world of idjuts...this country can not afford another 4 more of Ahhhbama....Ryan will tear Biden to shreds in the debate...Having Ryan in the frame expands bowhunting to the non-hunters...the Liberals and Anti's(usually one in the same)I'm sure are having a kniption fit right now....Jeff
You guys that disagree must be out of your minds!! Our country is in the WORST shape its ever been. Do you actually believe this country can survive another 4 years of obama!?!? You need to wake up and take a good look around at what has become of this great nation. Put a bowhunter in office for pete sake. End of story.
You guys that disagree must be out of your minds!! Our country is in the WORST shape its ever been. Do you actually believe this country can survive another 4 years of obama!?!? You need to wake up and take a good look around at what has become of this great nation. Put a bowhunter in office for pete sake. End of story.
I don't know what or who to believe anymore. I can care less if the man hunts or not. I want someone to explain to me how we can give out tons of bailout money and not change the rules. How can we give our job to other countries! How much more can you tax us working folks! Is it true that there is a 3.8% tax that will be going to this new Healthcare when we sell our houses? When are we going to make people accountable for their actions! When are we going to start building things again?
I want someone to tell me it ends now! I want the next president to tell me," from the president down, we are paid too much and saleries/benefits need to be dramatically cut". Every elected official needs to dip from the same well as us and this can only happen if we cut their pay and benefits. The decisions they make need to effect their families. No vested benefit rights, no top of the line insurance and no more pensions. You let the economy crap out, you get a 401K and social security. Once you are eligible for medicare you must switch and pay for your own secondary. A no tolerance policy. You get caught doing something wrong you and your family just lost what the taxpayers were providing for you. PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!!
I disagree with some and agree with some. Not very nice about the president's wife. It should be clear that the current administration was handed a hornets nest from past administrations. However, no one forced anyone to run for president and I'm not pleased how things are being handled. The American Dream was afforded to many. No one gave them any handouts! They worked hard, made money and spent less than what they made to attain that American Dream! Our government needs to just that! Sorry for being so long!
Voting for Romney/Ryan was never even a question. But there are plenty of places on the web that a person can go to discuss politics. What has always made Bowsite standout has been the devotion to BOWHUNTING and the fair and well tempered administration of the site toward that end.
I think the discussion of politics invites those prone to chronic debating to feel permitted to engage in just that.
F*&k Obama, but let's not loose what has made Bowsite better than the rest by allowing it to become mired in the hateful, spitefulness of political debate. Bowsite is better than that.
Obama is going to destroy this country even more with another 4 years, let alone having no reason NOT to go after our guns this term!! He is agun grabber and has lulled us all to sleep this first term, look at his voting record... he's one of the worst anti-gunners out there!
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If I lived in Chicago I'd agree 4 or 5 times.... even after I was dead....
Great move Pat. Looks like ya even got a couple who just happen to bump into this, um.... somehow.... to sign up and post for their very first time. Awesome.
Bowhunting or hunting and gun rights in general are absolutely political. Ask the boys in CO that lost a bunch of their bear hunting. Ask the guys in CA that lost ALL the mountain lion hunting and just recently lost their hound hunting for bear.
Sticking your head in the sand trying to avoid it just makes it harder in the shower..... and only helps to lose your hunting.
Clink! Here's to Jimmy Carter, bless his lil heart....the only man that could be pleased with such a performance, gets him off the hook as the worst President ever.... =D
for all of you " I didn't join this forum to discuss politics crowd" get your head out of the damn sand, our future as a country and as outdoorman will NOT exist if you continue to buy into the "new" democratic platform and what they want this country to become. This is not your parents democratic party anymore and you are either uninformed (watching too much mainstream news) or just plain stupid for buying into thier lies. I personally want my kids and grandkids to have a chance at the great 46 years I have had so far with the freedoms to hunt and fish everything else that drives us country boys and girls. The whole "lets not talk about politics" is BS, there is nothing more important right now than calling out your friends and neihbors for casting a vote for a party that is NOT what it used to be and never again will be for the hard working man and woman, they are liers with an agenda that is anti-american and ten years from now if they continue to get elected all of you will be responsible for what we became.
He's clearly a Presidential candidate in the future. And what a complete debacle the DNC was last night. It's like watching a totally corrupt house of cards get blown over. They had to vote on including God?! and they got booed?
I am guessing you are one of the ones that thinks Obama is smart? He may be intelligent but an idiot could see he is running this country into the ground.
I will take a common man/woman who lives within a budget, balances his own check book and actually has worked a real paying job in their life any day over a snobby, elitist, cherry picked socialist 24-7.
I believe in hard work and actually earning what you want...So of course I agree, and I do think this is a great place to discuss this. With the future of our country at stake is there really a "wrong" place to bring something so important to light? I will say this, the fact that he is a hunter has absolutely no bearing on my vote going to them.
Pat, thanks for the opinion. I am a Conservative. Not a Democrat or Republican. I know the Country I grew up in no longer exist. I know we raise men that can't act like men. I know we have so called leaders that could not lead a girl scout troup. Our Country is struggling with many issues but to me, we need true leaders that are willing to cut, cut, cut our welfare, social security, medic care, food stamps, electric bill help, ect............. We will no longer exist as a FREE nation if we continue to allow the Gov't to take over our lives .............
I do not take the time to read much regarding politics because I really don't believe much of what they have to say. I do take a lot of time to read about bowhunting on bowsite. It was my choice to read this article. The beauty of it is that it was my choice, if you don't want to read about it on Bowsite, don't. It's your choice as well!
Asa CPA I look at the numbers and the Democrats love to spend money on crap. Cash for Clunkers, Bailing outthe UAW workers in full and no one taking a pay cut but letting the non union workers lose their pensions and healthcare. The taxpayers will lose over 50 billion on the deal, some success. Letting people on welfare off the hook on even doing a little work and not even trying to fix fraud and waste in the Government. I especailly hate them trying to use the past mass shooting tragedies to try to enact even more gun control. And Joe Biden has got to be the biggest idiot ever on a national ticket.
When all the bubbles of rhetoric pop, there are still the hard unpleasant realities to deal with. Bailouts and money pits can only bury them for so long. Governments sending money to banks and swapping worthless commodities that only exist in the theory of a theory only work for as long as people believe in them.
Even an unreal economy reported on by an unreal media cheering on an unreal leader can only run for so long until reality punches through the illusion, the curtain falls, the magicians scramble off the stage with rabbits and doves tucked into their pants, and everyone wakes up to realize that the dream is over and we realize that we are entering a world where the stories no longer matter and history is about to begin.
I agree, and it has nothing to do with Ryan being a bow hunter it's a plus but not that important. As long as he's cool with the rest of us bow hunting, that's good enough. The current President did inherit a mess just like every first term president before him. Unlike them however he has done nothing to fix it. Instead he has made things worse in every regard. Socially, economically and national security. Hey he knew what the problems were when he was asking for the job and if after 4 years he's still blaming the guy before him what good is he. He even had both house for the first 2 years and did nothing other than cram an injust health bill down our throats and hand Chrysler over to the union disregarding bankruptsy to do it.
Well, there it is, the word must get out! I can't help but scratch my head at the comments made by some of the people that dissagree.LOL, blue monday your true colors are in your handle so I know where you stand politically, but your attacks on Mormans is completely uncalled for. I imagine you probably attack all religious beliefs though... I cant fathom people thinking we are better off now than four years ago...libs and dems are still trying to "beat around the Bush"...LOL pull your head outta the sand and look around... Try to get out from the shadow of ingnorance. We need to save this country! I'm not a Morman, but I am a Christian that struggles with the whole "turn the other cheek" thing..I'm tired of the attacks. Pat, hat's off to your efforts, we need to use every resource we can.. This election is too important.
AMEN, Pat!!!!!!!!! And kudos to having the ****s to put this out there!!!!!!!!
I can't believe there are so many people out there today that do NOT see the direction this country is headed! The madness has got to stop NOW!!!!!!! We cannot keep putting the cost of all these government programs on our credit card! At some point, you have to PAY THE BILL!!!!!!!!!!!! When will folks WAKE UP?????????
First off although I "Agreed" I still somewhat disagree ! There IS something wrong with being GAY ! Read you bible, its a abomination to God and the order of creation ! Read Lev 18:22 and 20:13 and 1 Cor 6:9-10.
I dont beleave in either morman or muslim beleafs but I will choose the lesser evil just to get Oboma out ! He supports both gays and abortion ! Plus Im from the coal fields and his "EPA" is bankrupting people in my area !
I suppose I should have added Matt Finney next to blue monday's name on the religous attacks comment..take off your tin hat matt...last I looked at least mormans were not trying to blow up the "infidels". I served in the Marine Corps to defend freedom of religion and speech...It's a shame that the media no longer does it's job and has taken up the agenda of trying to destroy America's constitution and the foundations this country was built upon...
I just cannot fathom any hunter voting for any democrat in general and Obama in particular. If these guys ( democrats) had their way none of us would be allowed to hunt or own guns ( for hunting or protection) . It is crystal clear tht Obama wants to turn America into a typical European country with huge debts( already there ), high taxes ,business choking regulations with every citizen depending on the government for their every need. If any of us ran our household like Obama runs our country we would all be way past broke. It is so refreshing to see a bowhunter( Paul Ryan) regular guy ( although brillant) running for the secound highest office in the land. Romney made a great choice for a running mate that is very capable of being president if needed.Can anyone imagine Joe Biden being president ?? Seems to me that anyone would have to admire Romneys success in business. I think he can use that same expertise to turn our economy around and put people back to work .
Tool Guy, You don't even know where the handle came from. It was the Day my Father died. So why don't you think before you open the gaping orb you call a mouth. The republicans believe in freedom of speech as long as you agree with them. If the Bible says it's an abomination to be Gay then why did he create them?
I don't trust any realtors, attorneys nor politicians. It takes corruption to excel in these fields. But I can't not vote for this guy who openly promotes his enthusiasm for our sport that 95% of the voters in the US don't participate in.
Not to mention the pathetic welfare & pension programs bankrupting our country for lazy people.
LOL, bluemonday very typical to attack the only thing in the post that did not have any significance..Your free will is why you choose to be a homo...God did not "make" you that way..I would invite you to come shut my orb yourself...anytime.Sorry to hear your father passed...hope he's proud of the fine man you turned out to be..
Absolutely agree! Pat, you said it exactly right. We are fortunate to have a man with the integrity and background of Paul Ryan to help lead us out of the Obama morass. Unfortunately we have way too many citizens (and some are even bowhunters, obviously, by the uninformed posts I've read here) who will wake up too late and wonder where are freedoms went and our children and grandchildren will bemoan never having the opportinities and quality of life we enjoy as a result of the outrageous federal Obama debt. We must make a stand in Novemeber or it may just be too late in four years. Thanks, Pat, for your courage in taking a stand!
I have so much to say about the Rmoney/Ryan ticket that I wouldn't know where to start.
Let's take the environmental angle for a change: I think it is safe to say that on their watch the country would be; oilspilled dirty, blown to pieces, scraped to pieces, frack-ed to pieces, mined to pieces and drilled to pieces and the only deer and elk I could hunt would be the ones I raise in my backyard. One of Rmoney's statements that should make us hunters wonder: "[Romney]... I'm Not Sure What Public Lands Are Good For".
I dare the republican brethren on this list to go for one week to thinkprogress.org and read what's out there all substantiated with videos and references... just a few days.
You'll either have found a well of more Democrats' lies or something that might give you something to think about. You win either way!
WA season has started 5 days ago. I'm in the mountains again this weekend on what are undoubtedly some of the finest public lands in the country.
Have you guys been watching this circus the dnc is putting on at the convention. They were brazin enough to take god and isreal out of the platform. These people aren't democrats,there is no such thing anymore. These are extreme left socialists, and they are finally starting to show it through all there so called "gaffes". Those of you who plan on voting for a dem. just because of the party, you will be a disservice for everybody and most importantly the country. Wait till a blue dog dem comes up for election.
Lets face it, none of us are totally happy with the present choices. However, which team will represent US the best? It isn't always about the bsst choice; but rather, the lesser of the evils. Politics is evils.
Its all Ross Perot's fault. If he hadn't created the 3 way race, Clinton never would have gotten elected in the first place!
I'll take the Mormon over the MUSLIM. I'll take a hunter over an anti-gun supporter. I'll take a couple guys with experience over one with none. I'll take a guy who has run companies over one with no business experience. I'll take the risk of not knowing exactly what I'm getting with Romney instead of what I KNOW I'll get with zerobama.
bluemonday, I should have gave myself a few minutes before I responded to your post. I'm sorry if I upset you. I'm sure your dad is(or was depending on your beliefs)proud of you.I get more and more defensive about this country's moral and fiscal decline and my personel beliefs attacked. I just made myself look like a kid at a playground brawl.. Oh well, my posts are my own feelings and I don't pretend anyone must have the same opinion. I just invite you to pick up a calculator and see how many zero's there are in 16 trillion! I have four kids that I worry and provide for. I would like them to have the same or better life than I have. That existance is freefalling away and nobody wants to address it, either in mainstream media, our Schools, and worst of all almost our entire political arena. Our current administration is chokeing the life out of this economy through overregulation and taxation without representation.We can't just "Go Forward"...we don't have enough parachutes to go around..and that's a long fall...
Well put Pat. This is probably the most important election in our time. I have been a registered Democrat as well as a registered Republican. I have worked in the blue collar world as well as the white collar world. I have seen some good times and some bad times. I have never been wealthy but I have been poor. However, this is the first time I have truly feared for the future of this great nation. I did not vote for the current administration but I hoped we could count on hope and change the President promised. This administration has divided the country even more than than it was in 2008. I do not care that Governor Romney is a Mormon any more than I care that President Obama is Black. The dramatic events brought about by this administration clearly scares the hell out of me. This uncontrolled spending and promising the moon to every special interest group out there cannot continue. Things must change for the better. Our country must be run like a business. Fixing it will not come easy nor will it happen overnight. The out of control spending must stop. A nation cannot be taxed into prosperity. Sixteen trillion dollars of debt us unacceptable by any standard. Anyone ever heard of Greece?
Mr. Ryan is doubtless a nice guy, physically fit and it's great that he is an outdoorsman but here is a bit of political reality. This is the same Paul Ryan who voted for every single UNFUNDED George W. Bush initiative passed by a Republican House and Senate. 1.6 trillion in UNFUNDED tax cuts, over 800 billion in UNFUNDED Iraq War Supplemental Funding, over 450 billion in UNFUNDED "Medicare Reform" and over 700 billion in UNFUNDED financial industry bail-outs are but a few. Additionally in 2010 he voted to extend those same UNFUNDED tax cuts, adding another 650 billion to the National Debt. And this is the Republican's champion for Fiscal Responsibility!
It's great that he's a hunter but so was Cheney and Bush and look at the mess they left. It's so far down on my list of national leadership qualities that it's irrelevent. What bothers me more is that Ryan and Walker are puppets for the Koch brothers. What have we come to when billionaires can buy national elections.
This is a totally inapproprate site for politicking. I don't give a hoot if P.R. is a hunter or not so long as he isn't anti hunting or gun. That would automaticely disqualify him for any political office IMO. As to his religious affliation--- as long as he or anyone else doesn't attempt to force their belifs on me I couldn't care less. Without getting into an argument I will say that this country adopted a set of laws named the U.S. Constitution over two hundred years ago and it has worked and kept this country strong as free as long as the laws were obeyed. It is when politicians attempt to subvert these laws or get around them that we have problems. We are suppose to be a government of law not men, but then so was the Roman Republic and alas I see us traveling down the same "road to perdition."
I AGREE! WE NEED TO VOTE OBAMA OUT!I'm, not too worried about the mormon thing. At least they are not into branching off into radical groups that like to bomb people and there is the separation of church and state thing. Right on Ks Flatlander!
What this country needs is a true third party. The line between democrats and/or republicans is more blurred than ever before. Perhaps people would look at what the candidates actually support and represent as opposed to voting along party lines if there was a true third option. To vote for a candidate because he is a bowhunter or because one feels she is hot makes me absolutely nauseated.
Nobody is voting for p.r. Because he is a bow hunter. There voting for him becouse there values and beliefs are aligned with his. Another thing is that I feal that I know him already and I definitely can't say that about Obama. Can you? Nothing but festering secrets.
I disagreed with Palin and the direction Ryan and Romney are headed. The leaders of the GOP party don't even agree with them. They WON'T change a thing cause those two are puppets flipping in the wind now and it will get worse if they are in office.
Excellent Pat! Ryan in a real character guy. Romney is a successful CEO and has been fixing broken things his whole life. Obama and his revolving credit card economy must go. Lets send team Hype and Blame back to Chicago, to be a community organizer again. Romney/Ryan all the way.
Thank you Pat. I planned on voting for Romney/Ryan anyway because we need a change RIGHT NOW from the current spend spendaholic. But it is nice to know that he is a bow hunter.
And for the cry babies who say this is not the place to talk politics simply turn the channel. How is this article hurting you??? Once thing I do not like about bow site is the individual's who only post to be negative. Instead of just ignoring a thread they have to get in and purposely try and get people riled up. Some people simply are not happy unless they are making someone else miserable ecause they are miserable themselves!
Agree! Thanks Pat. We have to speak up and make a stand. This is a very important election. This current administration is taking us down the road of socialism. Enough is enough. We have a ridiculous debt and we will have a long, hard walk out of this mess. Romney/ Ryan is by far the only reasonable choice.
To all those who are posting on here about disagreeing because it pertains to politics, no one made you read the article or post. Yes the site is about bowhunting, hence the portions of the article describing Ryan as a bowhunter. All of the game forums are still here, as well as the state forums. When I came to the homepage today I was not forced to read the article in order to get anywhere else. Get over it!
No Doubt we have to get the Campainer-n-Chief and Golfer-n-Chief out of there. Hard to believe but how can an acting President do more rounds of golf in the past 3 1/2 years than I have shot 3d's. Un-flippen believable!!!!!!!
When you idolized Palin 4 years ago, I wondered whether your "little-head" was doing your thinking or if you were simply ignorant. Your current political posting, especially the initial unedited one which made reference to Our First Lady, convinced me that you are just plain dumb. No sense in attempting a discussion with you, you would not understand. Very Interesting, the editing of your initial post, I am SURE Mathews was made aware of it, did you get your scolding? Educate yourself, perhaps in 2016 you will become a Winner!
I agree with everyone else who disagreed. If you lived in Montana you would realize that the republican dominated legislature has not been favorable towards the average sportsmen or public land/public wildlife opportunities.
D.O.D. whoever you are, you must be a very unhappy, misguided, and confused individual. To make those statements to a host that first of all did not invite you on their site, actually is a perfect example of you and the rest of the dems and libs..... Back to my thoughts as I realize I have about worn out my welcome on this thread. We are a Republic (yet) our Forefathers built our country based on God, Family, and Country in that order. Please take a moment to view the following.....http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/
IT ‘s now or never for public hunting and fishing.“The average hunter and angler out there doesn’t understand what’s going on, that what we’re seeing is the biggest attack on fish and wildlife habitat in 100 years,” says Jim Martin, conservation director of Pure Fishing’s Berkley Conservation Institute and former chief of fisheries at the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.
IT ‘s now or never for public hunting and fishing. “The forces at work now really are unprecedented.”“I’ve never seen anything like this,” says Dale Hall, CEO of Ducks Unlimited, who saw a lot in his 31 years with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, including a stint as its director. “There were times in the past where we faced budget cuts, or debates over some regulations. But the push to take away the regulatory framework that has been essential to fish and wildlife for so many decades makes no sense—not even for the economy.
Keep in mind that here in Massachusetts Governor Mitt didn't find a fee he didn't like. Our license to carry and firearm id cards quadrupled in price and are only good for a few years. Before Govermor Mitt LTC & FID cards were $30.00 and good forever. Also remember Mitt was a hunter....big game..... small game... oh yah varmints.. BOWSITE IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THIS TYPE OF CRAP.
This may or may not be the place for politics, but it's Pat's site & he has the freedom to do as he chooses and we are given the choice to respond or not respond with our own opinion. Thank God we can still do that here in this country & thankfully we all can still vote for or against someone. Even though I'm from downstate IL & my vote means little, (Chicago will decide), I'll vote early because I plan to be in a tree stand all day!
brandinius, Obama is no more a Christian then Bin Laden was. I can't believe a grown man would even make such a statement. Tommy Boy I agree with your statement 100%! Obama wants the American people poor, unarmed, and dependent on the government. If we wan't to continue our lives as we have known in the past. If we want our children to prosper in America. Obama has to go. No matter if a person believes in the Republican candidates or not. At this time in American history, it is the only choice we have. Obama has to GO!! Good job Pat!
Firstly, I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful but are people that ignorant that they think they have the right to be telling the OWNER of this site what he should be posting on here? It's his website and YOU are a GUEST if you don't like it then get out.
Second, politics is extremely important and it should be discussed and debated in all avenues of our lives. The right to vote is HUGE. If you don't exercise that right I suggest you head to a country were they don't have that right and try living there.
Seriously Pat I don't know how you don't just pull rank and ban a couple of these guys.
Its about policies not parties.You pink guys with your heads in the sand, you may not like politics here on the Bowsite but there may not be a Bowsite and/or you may not be hunting if you don't get out there and vote for a change from our current prez's policies and direction for the U.S. Look at the scoreboard ... the prez's policies are loosing big time and as a result our families are and will loose big time. Good going Pat. Get out and vote.
Many, many thanks Pat for being bold and speaking the truth. This election is a watershed and the choices could not be further apart in their vision for our future. Everyone will have the opportunity to make a decision where they want our country to go and what kind of future they want for their children and grandchildren. Paul Ryan is a tremendous thinker with a strong background in Jack Kemp style economics. It is incredulous to look at the VP choices alone and not recognize who has vision to lead us forward and dig out of the massively expanding welfare state that Obama has created. Ryan said it so well that we are a free people and we should not have a government that is increasingly controlling our lives . Look at the mountains of regulations and control over our lives that this administration has brought. This is not who we are as a free people! America or France?? I choose America and the land of the free people that we are!! God bless Paul Ryan and may he and Mitt Romney prevail in November!!
I could not agree more. I pray each day that the citizens of this great country will make an informed decision and realize this will be the most important election this country has ever faced. Bowhunter or not Romney/Paul has my vote.
The republicans hated Mitt when he was Governor and now they want him as President ! I received a p.m . from another member telling me that God hates homosexuals. Is this 2012? I wonder how God feels about ignorance ,intolerance and hateful people. We use to burn Woman at the stake if the church thought they were witches.LOL ! These are the same people that use the "N" word to describe our President. I guess we haven't moved as far away from being racist and homophobes as I thought.
Born and raised south side of Chicago and know all to well Chicago politics.The sooner Obama and his cronies are voted out,the better off this nation will be.If there's any doubt,look around,what a cracker jack job he's doing,isn't it? ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
I agree! And I will say to you that have said what was left on Bush's watch was blessed by a congress and senate that were controlled by Democrats. The housing collapse was signed by bills put under Clinton. I read and reread the original post and the included video and do not see any hygiene thing some of you talked about. If you saw it PM me so I can see it. But this President is going to bankrupt us and I believe that is the plan. I do not mind helping out someone in need and do that. I do believe in conservative principles and God! If you do not earn it you do not get it. Helping someone is to give them a hand up not a hand out. It is up to each and every one of us to take a responsible stand and make sure everyone does something for what they get. I have no desire to work longer and harder so the one that doesn't work gets more! Also my principles that where instilled in me where by my parents while I was a young lad while going to church. Something that alot of people including myself need to do more. But the mainstay of what I learned is in me. You get what you sow.I also do not buy goods from sites or companies that I have a difference with so I hope you keep that in mind guys and gals. Now I go to Chick fillet every weekend. You too have your own choice. Good luck hunting and hope we can all agree to disagree and keep hunting.
If you guys voting for Obama succeed. The land of the free and the home of the brave is gone forever. He'll have control of the supreme court. The constitutional control on government, just a scrap of paper, the same thing Hitler called the agreement he signed and Chamberlain called "peace in our time". I don't know if Obama is a Christian or not but why does he have to mock those that cling to their guns and their Bibles and mock the Bible about the prohibition for the Jews to not eat shellfish for the sake of their health while wandering through the desert? Why did he spend 20 years in a church that would damn America and whose pastor is good friends with Louis Faracon?
So from this blog I gathered that Obama is the boogy man and Ryan is a bowhunter... but why then should I vote for Romney? The only positive thing Mr Lafemine had to say about Romney is that he picked Ryan for VP and that doesn't seem like a good enough reason for me to vote for the billionaire that no one seems to like regardless of their political leanings.
I do hope that Mr Lafemine is correct in his assessment of Ryan as a positive image boost for bowhunting. Lord knows some of the images, quotes, and the general "what will he score" vibe on Bowsite gives antihunters plenty of ammunition to shoot at us with. Sure, people should feel comfortable expressing themselves, but a little political tact in this era of the Internet and instant communication would greatly help us convince the 90-some percent of Americans that don't hunt that bowhunting is a legitimate and ethical pastime. It seems like Ryan understands that better than most.
Under Ryans GOP leadership, as the National Wildlife Federation pointed out in December, one in five of all House roll-call votes taken in 2011—fully 22 percent—involved measures to weaken environmental protections. The Conservation Reserve Program, North American Wetlands Conservation Fund, Wetlands Reserve Program, Grasslands Reserve Program, Wildlife Habitat Incentive Program, and Environmental Quality Incentives Program were targeted for decreased funds.
Sportsmen’s conservation groups, largely nonprofits, have always had to rely on the strength of their arguments and access to key -decision--makers to compete with heavily financed industry lobbyists, that have been labeling anyone who supports environmental regulations as a job killer who favors bunnies over humans. In the first 11 months of 2011, oil and gas interests spent $110 million lobbying; electric utilities, $105 million; and real estate, $50 million. With that much money, sportsmen’s groups are wondering how much access will be left over for them.
"I'm not a racist, I'm not homophobic, and I'm not rich. So I can't be a republican, I do like that he bowhunts though" Typical government and union worker thought track. I would be will ing to bet that all that have disagreed on this topic are brainwashed union and/ or government workers on the dole.
I read the Blog yesterday morning,shortly after it was posted. I 'voted' that I agreed with what was written and still do.
I re-read it and then read it again, and again (yesterday) after seeing posters references about 'feminine products' and didn't see the reference. So some 200+ posts and nearly 24 hours later I need to ask, DID I MISS SOMETHING, or are folks stoking the fire with BS? (Just asking).
Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney understand the simple point that the govt is not the answer to all our problems. Errrr, let me change that. Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney are fully aware of the simple fact that govt has cause most of our nations problems and are eager to get out of the way of the private sector so they can do the work of fixing it.
I think bowhunters in general, are a far better bread of people. That tells me something about Paul Ryan, not to mention, he is very competent in issues most critical at this time in our history.
Grey Hair bowhunter, I usually don't take issue with people's posts but I have to take issue with yours regarding conservation programs. It is disingenuous to say the least that the Farm Bill Programs have recieved cuts. Politicians will always have the "stupid" American Public believe that a cut in the rate of increase is a decrease in funding for programs, its simply not the case. Don't pizz on my boots and tell me its raining. In my line of work there is ALWAYS enough money left over to fund conservation programs and every year we either get as much as the year previous or more. This year they threaten 10% cuts but it is nothing more than a shell game. Sorry for the off topic response. Andy
Pat-it's tough being at the TOP, isn't it.. I'm with ya & I DO pay attention to BOTH sides & must say, I agree with what I feel (AS A VOTER) will be the best for OUR COUNTRY. Like or dislike, VOTE your choice & as Americans, hope for the best...
I've seen & been there with a number of Presidents & voted both sides but this one HAS TO GO.
Surprised at the disagrees. I don't agree with Ryan on everything, but I don't agree with my wife on everything either and I married her.
To those others no this is not a purely political website, but polotics effects the future of hunting and it is a great advantage to have an individual who can defend our culture in a position to be one of the most influential in the country. So of the +'s and -'s this guy is head over heals beeter than Joe Biden.
I guess none of you disagreeing folks get it that the environment is really not going to matter if we loose our constitutional rights, jobs, guns, you name it. For god's sake they removed GOD from thier party platform and then boo'd when it was placed back in, what is wrong with you folks. Most of these dem's you now stand shoulder to shoulder with feel it is ok to kill a child but feel it not ok to kill an animal or murderer on death row. Scary country we now live in
Brandinus, your attempt to make the comment more egregious than it actually was makes me think that you are auditioning for Debbie Wasserman Schultz' job. ;-)
But here it is.
For those of you inquiring about the feminine Products reference....
Gene Wensel wrote what I consider to be the bible of Trophy Deer hunting called One Man's Whitetail back in the 80's. He talked about using his wife's discarded feminine products along rublines and claimed that they worked wonders during the rut. He was even pleased that they came with a convenient little string for tying to branches. It remains funny as hell to this day - unless you are humorless (like some above).
My satirical comment was that I doubted Obama was going to channel Gene Wensel and use Michelle's feminine products on a rub line. Obviously, very few got the reference so it was perceived as being disrespectful to our First Lady. That was never my intent, so I edited the sentence.
Sarah Palin is not qualifieid to be VP in some of you lefties eyes but yet you think Obozo is qualified to be president??? Give me a break, he has no experience or credentials. Just good at giving away $$.
I agree only partly, its good he is a bowhunter obviously, but thats so little effect politically is silly. Too bad the Republicans could go a bit more moderate, Ryan is very anti-abortion, and that will divide the vote massively, and just like last time, it will put a Dem in office. Right wing nutjob catering is so bad for the country, just as much as left wing nutjobs. SAD
For the people that think Democrats will support Hunters :Tuesday, April 17th, the U.S. House of Representatives passed the most significant pro-sportsmen legislation in the last 15 years. The vote was 274-146 Most if not all of the No votes were Democrats and if you look atthe Dems that voted yes they are Blue dog democrats or in districts were they would be voted out if they voted no. They don't have Hunters rights as one of their core beliefs. So please don't tell me Democrats will support hunters.
Vashonite, every time you go to the pump you want gasoline. Every time you flip that switch, you want the lights or the tv or the air to work. You ever stop to consider where all that comes from? If you want milk, you got to mash some teats. Or maybe you would rather freeze in the dark.
Thanks Pat; liked you post, and agreed before knowing him as hunter Like Romney better, knowing he had the judgement to select someone like Paul Ryan, Gives me faith that he will surround himself with like
Actually, Pat, you said something different. Learning tricks from from Lyin' Ryan, are you?
And I quote:
" While I doubt we’ll see Obama channel deer hunting legend, Gene Wensel by hanging Michelle’s used sanitary products along a rub line, I do expect to see Joe Biden in black face paint lead a pack of hog hounds into the Florida swamps. "Unchain those dogs!" He shrieks as he runs through the swamp - a hunting knife clutched by his perfectly bleached teeth."
Pat, you mention in your initial post that besides being a nice guy, physically fit, a family man and bowhunter Paul Ryan is "considered a financial expert". This is the same Paul Ryan who as a Congressman voted for 1.6 trillion in un-funded tax cuts, over 800 billion in un-funded Iraq War supplemental funds, 450 billion in un-funded, so-called "Medicare Reform" and more than 700 billion for the un-funded "Wall Street Bail-out". As recently as 2010 he voted to further extend the already mentioned un-funded tax cuts, adding 650 billion more to the National Debt. In 2000 the Republican controlled House of Representatives of which Mr. Ryan was and is a member, along with a Republican controlled Senate and President George W. Bush inherited the largest surplus in American history and promptly turned it into a more than doubling of the National Debt. With all due respect, I submit that Mr. Ryan may be many things but he is certainly not a financial expert and frankly, hardly a "Babe" either. I would add that we can have a never-ending political piss fight accomplishing little but I would much rather this post be judged as to whether it is factual concerning Congressman Ryan or not. What I've listed can be easily verified.
Elections have become the lesser of the evils. The kind of people it takes to seek a national office are not selfless - they are ego driven, they present what they want you to see.
No one that runs for public office is worth voting for.... Unfortunately not voting is less productive. So I vote for the scoundrel that isn't as big a scoundrel as his opponent.
The kind of people we want in public office aren't electable.
You want the guy that says - "Folks, suck it up - the next few years are going to be miserable. I'm going to support legislation that will make your lives painful in the short term but are in your long term best interest, stabilize our economy and give us long term viability.".
Kevin, with all due respect, I can answer your question as to how the majority of respondents in agreement could possibly be wrong. All it takes is for people to place more value on having their ear's tickled by whatever "fair and balanced" news is, listening to talk radio's hot air merchants and trusting what they read on blogs and emails rather than depending on facts for information.
I truly believe that Romney and Ryan will try to fix the mess that we are in. Obama has done nothing but divide the country. The spending is out of control and I would like for my 5 year old son to have a chance at a future not be indebted starting into the work force.
For the record, it's great that Ryan's a bowhunter. That's a plus.
On the minus side, he doesn't act like a bowhunter at all when it comes to policy. He has talked about selling public lands, is for weakening environmental protections & conservation efforts.
He's supposed to be a financial guru, but seems to be bad at math and has a terrible memory, especially concerning committee's he's served on & recommendations made on those committees.
The tax package he and Mittens have offered is really short on substance, and long on promises. Even with the lack of substance, it's clear that the average Joe Bowhunter will pay more in taxes while the rich get an even fatter tax break.
It amazes me that so many people are fooled by the culture wars into voting against their own financial interests, and voting for the benefit of the super-rich.
It also amazes me how far the GOP has drifted from its once noble mission, and become such a sad parody of itself. I'm afraid the GOP wil be irrelevant culturally in a few decades if this keeps up. They can't seem to speak to the concerns of the average person, only to the super-rich. The GOP's approach to elections seems to come back to cultural issues, which more and more people are finding irrelevant as the economy weakens.
"All it takes is for people to place more value on having their ear's tickled by whatever "fair and balanced" news is, listening to talk radio's hot air merchants and trusting what they read on blogs and emails rather than depending on facts for information.'
My gut hurts from laughing so hard. Do enlighten us!
Craig, I certainly will not attempt to enlighten you but I can point out an example. Scroll back a dozen posts or so and read my post listing trillions of dollars worth of unfunded legislation that Paul Ryan has voted for. Again, Mr. Ryan and the rest of the Republican controlled House, Senate and George W. Bush in 2000 started with the largest Budget Surplus in U.S. history and turned it into a DOUBLING of the National Debt. Pat's initial post here claims Mr. Ryan is recognized as a "financial expert" yet it is demonstrable that he is anything but, yet he is still offered as the Republican's chief financial guru. What do Republicans have to do to prove that of the many things they do badly, Fiscal Responsibility is right at the top of the list.
As an atheist for ore than fifty years now, and a strong believer that overpopulation is the world's greatest threat over the long haul, and that we're already well beyond our honest long term carrying capacity....I would of course have preferred to see candidates who had more respect for the inclusion of those without ANY beliefs among the voting public, and for the existence of a carrying capacity and some plan for bringing us closer to eventually bringing the population level into agreement with it.
Neither the Mormon nor the Catholic Church has been stellar in their separation stance over time. And both candidates on that ticket have demonstrated their support for both mixing their theology with their politics, and their willingness to help overpopulate.
However, on the more immediate and urgent matter of survival until we can possibly develop an electorate with the good sense to agree with me, I support Romney/Ryan as a better choice than the mysterious community organizer from Chicago and his bumbling sidekick.
If the election appears to be remotely close in my state as November approaches, I'll vote Romney/Ryan, and if it looks to be already a done deal here, I'll go with Johnson/Gray on the Libertarian ticket, who hold positions on many more issues that I can agree with completely.
Jim Wright, and all you people that are putting down the Republican candidates. Go watch the movie Obamas America 2016. It is a true documentary of Obama and his intentions. All that has happened in the last 4 years didn't happen from his stupidity. He is intentionally running down this country. To watch the movie is very disturbing to say the least, disturbing and scary. The movie even shows an interview with his brother in Kenya. (Makes one wonder where Obama was born.) His brother said Obama won't even help his own family. What kind of man is that? Like I have been saying before the movie even came out. Obama wants the people of America, Broke, unarmed, and Dependent on the government. To all concerned. Please go watch the movie.
Allan, I am not a racist nor could i give a crap of what religion he practices...i wouldn't care if he prayed to a moose turd so long as he could get the economy back in line. He has had FOUR YEARS to fix it and he has failed miserably and consistently...and dont give me this crap about republicans blocking things part of his job is to get the house and senate members to work togeather of which he is a miserable looser at that task also. Obama/Biden: the party of excuses...and we all know what excuses are like.
Lindell, give me a break here. I haven't suggested you watch any Michael Moore movies which I can tell you are "disturbing and scary" if it's political content tickles your ears properly. As far as "putting down the Republican Candidates" what I did was point out some of Mr. Ryan's voting record which is a matter of public record to anyone interested. If that is "putting him down" then the indictment is on him. You indicate there is a plot by which Obama wants America broke yet I suspect you voted for George W. Bush who along with a Republican House and Senate in eight years turned the nation's largest surplus in history into a doubling of the National Debt along with a stock Market melt-down in September 2008. I suspect as well that a large majority of respondents here voted for Ronald Reagan who with a Republican Senate and Democratic House that "let him govern" more than tripled the National debt from 900 billion to 2.8 trillion. The Stock Market melted down under Reagan as well on a day in October 1987 remembered as "Black Monday". If the Nation going broke is such a great concern where have you guys been all this time and why would you keep voting for Republicans?
Pat, with attribution, I posted your article over on the political forum at Accurate Reloading.com I trust that you're OK with that since I did acknowledge you as the author and gave this website credit too.
You guys that disagree are being ignorant. Yes I did vote for Bush. And I won't vote for Obama. I don't believe in Gay marriage, I dont't believe in gay rights, I don't believe in abortion, and I do believe we should have the right to be armed. Obama has Hilary working with the UN right now on the world wide gun ban. If Obama wins this election we can kiss our gun rights and our hunting good by. And yes that will include bow hunting. I'm thru with this thread.
This is an extremely important election and here are some irrefutable facts:
We now have a 16 trillion dollar national debt. About 5.4 trillion dollars in debt have been added during Obama's 3.5 years as president. All of the presidents put together up to George W. Bush accumulated 5.7 trillion dollars. George W. did a poor job with the debt as he accrued 4.9 trillion in 8 years as president, but Obama has beat him by 0.5 trillion dollars in just 3.5 years. Therefore, Barack Obama has accrued national debt at more than twice the rate of any other president and has no peer in this regard. Obama pledged to cut the debt by half by the end of his term (you can find the video and audio of this if you don't believe me). In March 2006, as a senator with presidential dreams Obama said the following regarding the debt:
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better." Senator Barack Obama
Some of Obama other hypocrisies and broken promises are easy to spot. Obama pledged to close Guantanamo within one year of taking office. Guantanamo still functions as it did. Video and audio of this can be found if you don't believe me.
Obama claimed that no one making under 250 k would see any tax increases. The Affordable Health Care Act will now take effect in 2014 and will be one of the largest tax increases in U.S. history and will raise taxes on the middle class.
His accomplishments are few. Killing Bin Laden was a great one, but would never have been accomplished by Obama if it weren't for the intelligence acquired by interrogation techniques administered under the Bush Administration that Obama has since stopped and called "torture."
The only other major accomplishment that could be construed in a positive light, by some, is the Affordable Care Act. This was forced down the throat of America by the President and a democratically controlled House and Senate despite the fact that about 60% of Americans didn't want it.
It is a shame that this is even a contest. If not for the complicity of the main media outlets, this wouldn't be a contest. It has been said that a free society requires a free media. I think what a free society really needs is a truthful and unbiased media willing to present ALL facts regardless of their own political beliefs. Unfortunately, a lot of people only get selective facts from liberally slanted MSNBC, NBC, ABC and CBS.
We have to take our country back. Time is running out. If you love your kids and grandchildren, you really need to get informed. Romney/Ryan is a far better hope for change!
Sleepyhunter, that is wonderful for your compnay, you, and your 401k. Its good to hear that your company is doing well when the great majority are not. On my end of things I work for a medical device compnay...we are down close to 20points from when Bush was in office. My 401k is in the can. Obamacare is going to sink it even further...and if your one of those who is so behind changing the greatest healthcare system in the world than you got another thing coming...
Have you ever been sick...anyone in your family ever needed very important diagnostic care? How about a lifesaving surgery? It's pretty nice knowing that your local hospital has the latest and greatest equipment right? Well get ready for that to end...Hospitals are going to get dinged so hard from goverment penilties that purchasing the most advanced equipment is a way of the past...that lump that your worried might be cancer...lets hope the 4 year old piece of radiology equipment will get it right because your hospital is not going to spend money on new equipment when they are just trying to hit their margins to keep the lights on and the nurses coming to work everyday. And if you thing i'm full of BS remember this post in a few years when your screaming on the phone with whomever you are trying to get appropriate treatment from and they say we have an opening in 2 months come on in. There is a reason leaders of forign countries and the wealthy around the world come here for health care...wait till your guy ruins that to.
And since your making so much money in this era of Obama I guess you don't mind paying more than close to double the price of gas when bush was in office...tell you what feel free to send a little extra cash down here I'm sure you are a big believer in spreading the wealth also.
If he was pulling a self bow he might get my attention but he's not.lol I don't care for politics or politicians but Romney reminds me of a car salesman trying to sell a junk car.
Obama took office when the country was on the verge of financial collapse. Compared to the rest of the worlds economy we are actually doing well. Like it or not when China slows down buying steel we have to lay off steel workers. Its a world economy like it or not.
They say the meaning of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. The Republicans are going to try the same things that ruined us in the first place.
Williethebarber, Haha, you said it perfectly... "the meaning of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results". So by that logic you sir are insane, because the last four years certainly have not been good under this administration, yet you would like to have them reelected for another four years. It truly is insane to think it would be any different.
I think Mr. Ryan will definitely be a star some day. I watched his speech at the convention and thought that he could show a Teddy Roosevelt kind of toughness when the time is right. (But really, who could ever be another Teddy in the full sense?)
However, after all of the Convention-watching and considering various readings, I have to disagree here for one reason. I fear that Mr. Romney may have intentions of sudden and extreme austerity measures to shrink the national deficit, which would have a great chance of sending us back into recession. Then he would be something of a Herbert Hoover. Thusly, I'm reluctant to vote Romney/Ryan.
On the bright side, after watching the speeches from the DNC, I feel the Democratic party is getting the vibe from the rest of us that we don't like spending money for nothing, we worship private enterprise, and when we get back to sustained economic growth we will ramp up demand for fewer government programs and other bloat. I sincerely hope that, should Mr. Obama win another term, they will recognize when it is time to veer to the right.
All this said, I feel like making celebrities out of politicians is part of the problem. I would support a limit on the number of terms congressmen may serve, as well as cutting way back on the benefits they are given. I think it should be clear that if your paycheck comes from any type of governmental entity, you have the Honor that comes with serving, the gratitude of the people, but it is not a lifetime of getting paid to worry about how to get re-elected or a place on Easy St.
This is a good thread. We should all be paying attention to all candidates, reading, watching, listening. Democracy and bowhunting are beautiful things.
John, when you post that this President has "accrued National Debt at more than twice the rate of any other President", you are quite mistaken. In this first 4 year term, the National Debt has increased by 50%, the same rate that it did during George W. Bush's Presidency when the National Debt increased by 100% in eight years. The main difference is that Bush inherited the largest surplus in U.S. history and with a Republican Congress turned it into that doubling of the National Debt. Obama inherited an economy in ruins, the last month of Bush's Presidency for example saw 800,000 jobs lost and the Stock Market had plummeted to 7900 points following the September 2008 melt-down. Notice where the Market is today. No President however has ever come close to Ronald Reagan's record 310% increase in 8 years from 900 billion to over 2.8 trillion dollars of National Debt. That averages 38% every single year of Reagan's Presidency. I know that the Romney/Ryan campaign manager recently stated that their campaign "was not going to be dictated to by fact-checkers" but I would suggest that you check your arithmetic when you return from your tree stand.
Jim wright, here is a math lesson for you. I will use Simple numbers for you to make it easier. 50 percent of 10 trillion is 5 trillion. 50 percent of 2 trillion is 1 trillion. So yes, the percentage rate may be the same, but by no means does that mean the actual amount of debt accrued is equal. Go ahead and check it with a calculator if you need to. That fact is Obama has raised the debt more than any other president. Ever. The math is not wrong, bush may have had a similar percentage rate ( I don't know If this is true) but that means nothing as far as how much he actually raised the debt dollars. Which in eight years was less than Obama has done in 3.5. The arithmetic is fine.
John, CHECK YOUR OWN POST, you accused President Obama of "accruing National Debt at twice the rate of any other President". The words are YOURS. Now you are trying to change your case from the rate of to the ammount of National Debt. Try to get your mind around this. Under Bush in 8 years the National Debt rose at (using your words) a RATE of 100%, from 5.25 trillion to 10.5 trillion. For the current President to stay at the same 100% rate of increase the National Debt would in 8 years be 21 trillion. Twice that rate is 42 trillion. For information's sake in order to double Reagan's RATE of Debt increase, the figure rises to 63 trillion, either of which would be an assumption far beyond the ridiculous. Again, I suggest you check your arithmatic and CHECK YOUR OWN POST to see what you actually claimed.
J.R. Please don't (in a green shaded box indicating support of the thread's statement) suggest that those of us responding to that thread titled "Paul Ryan-Bowhunting Dream Babe 2" need to "keep political agenda to yourselves". Again, give me a break. Please.
Pat, I agree with most of what you said here. If you reflect upon past candidates with all parties, they always choose the more "L.L. Bean bird hunting outfits", whether it was Cheney or Kerry. I believe bowhunting is the less refined and harder to use as a coverup. The art of pulling an arrow is not something you do just for a photo opportunity. It may not qualify as the litmus test for VP, but it is at least a honest part of the candidate's persona.
I strongly disagree with those who said, bowsite should not allow political topics. This is a very naive position. I would guess that over a third of every thread here has some basis in politics. It is not something that should be passed over. If a commentor chooses to ignore it, that is fine and your position. But just because you choose to ignore, those in politics will always take advantage of your silence. The political topics here range from, license fees, wolf hunting, public access, even product reviews concerning American Made, and countless other areas.
I think the feminie hygiene products comments were nothing but a good example of linking a politician with a humorous hunting joke. Honestly, those who took offense with it are probably some who I would not want to be in a hunting camp with. If you do not find the humour, then you are not stressing the intent of the comments. You can interchange any other public person and the humor is still there. Would the objectors take the same position if it was anybody they do not like.
I got to this thread late, and guess Pat just removed it because it was being taken out of context. So removal was merely so the thread stayed on topic. This move was then used by its detractors as "Pat's admission of guilt" I am glad it was put back into the thread for continuity and because its humorous.
Hell I have even seen people use unused ones as scent hangars because they are cheap and have the readily accessible string.
Having some background in business and finances, I find the discussion on financial topics almost as humorous. I would only ask those with opinions one question, to see if how much their opinion should be weighted. When reviewing a financial spreadsheet; what section do you peruse first; The conclusion, the assumption parameters, or the calculation workpapers between? Agree or disagree with Ryan's numbers, but at least he gives you a complete picture. Its a complete analysis. And its full of very bad news, Nobody likes to hear it, but you either deal with it or pass it on to your successor. And passing a problem along is NOT solving it. Ignoring a problem is NOT solving it.
As a final note, I have never hunted with people; where I did not have opposed positions. How boring would it be if people all shared the same views in a hunting camp.
I guess this should be the final note. I simply lean towards agreement with Pat's statement. Please do not take these comments as a distraction or tangent. Unless you comment is that my comment was entirely too long, and probably would agree with that.
Romney Ryan will get America Back on track. Obama is the worst President in the last 60 years. He takes the crown from Jimmy Carter. Sleepyhunter you need to look at the big picture Obama has done very little in 4 years. This country is in bad shape at many levels. He has done nothing to move us forward. In fact, his actions/ record look like he is not even American. Go to library and read his books. He didn't grow up here he really does not share our heritage and our foundation as a nation. He gave 1.5 (BILLION) dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood. You know the group that hates Americans. That money could have been well spent in this country.
OBAMA - DO NOT LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS, BUT, WATCH WHAT HE DOES!
OMG - OBAMA MUST GO
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN THE LAST 60 YEARS, GET EVERYONE OUT TO VOTE. WE NEED TO GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON TRACK.
Sorry Jim Wright, the default was a green box, could have been purple or yellow. I really don't care what color the background is or if it says agree or disagree. I am asking for civil discussion, not trash-talking of your fellow man (as you resorted too, again). Politic rhetoric is best kept to oneself if debate can't be kept civil. So there, it is GREEN AGAIN.
Yo sleepy hunter, 42 straight months of over 8% unemployment, peaking at over 10% and a credit card economy in which the bill goes to our kids and grand kids, that's really helping the working man! Romney/Ryan!
J. R., as you read through all these posts you honestly find mine worthy of pointing out as an example of someone "trash-talking my fellow man" and lacking civility? If you can honestly answer yes, I apologize to you and I mean that sincerely.
Being from Wisconsin I know a few things about Mr. Ryan. First of all he's a very good speaker, but he really doesn't 't stand up for the middle man. He's controlled by the Super PACS and the millions of dollars they are putting into his campaign. I don't know about anyone else but I don't have have millions of dollars to give to any candidate to do what I want them to. Remember, these guys are not just donating money but they also expect something in return.
Mr Ryan conplained in his campaign speech that Obama did nothing to help the GM plant in Janesville . In fact! Obama wasn't even President when the plan was closed. People in Janesville are calling him a liar. Janesville, is in Ryan's congressional district and HE did nothing to help keep the plant open!
Just because a person is a bow hunter should not be an automatic reason to vote for someone. I would hope people would look aa an individual's policies and whe he stands on issues before making a decision.
Lastly, I come onto this site to gain information about the sport of bow hunting. I don't think it's appropriate for anyone to use it as a sounding board for political viewpoints.
"sleepyhunter HoytsDad, you are mistaken. President Obama has got the economy back on track. Example, I work for Textron Inc. TXT stock traded for .97 a share in 2008 during Bush's last yr in office. It fell from over $80 per share. Obama took over 2009. By May 2009 the stock had improved to $12 per share. Yesterday it is $27.59 per share. It is still climbing. I have made a huge improvment to my 401k by buying the stock in large quanities while it was cheap. I knew Obama would reverse all of Bush's financial blunders. It paid off well. Bush's 2 wars decimated the US economy. It will take yrs to repair it. May as well relax. As far as I'm concerned. president Obama has done a great job considering what he inherited from the Bush Administration."
Obama being given credit for TXT is scary. The decline of TXT was because of the CEO Lewis Campbell and the UAW. Campbell has been rated in the top echilon of negative ceo categories. Like worst performing and most expensive. The new CEO Donnelley took over in 2009. That was a more weighted factor in turnaround, NOT Obama.
Also it is suspicious to that you lament Bush and the wars, but fail to mention all the defense dollar contracts of Textron. Please do not be hypercritical saying the government should not of spending all that money in the wars, when they went in your own pocket. Or are you saying the Textron's defense divisions were not a cashcow for the other under performing divisions? Bell Helicopter and Textron Defense Systems to mention a few.
Lets also mention the Osprey. This is project covered in controversy or should we say infamous.
And lets not pass over the UAW's detrimental affects upon Textron. Or why Campbell's handling of UAW was not a contributing factor of him being rated one of the worst performing. Or should we just review case law?
Or should we blame President Clinton for the demise of Textron stock, because the decline started within Clinton's term.
And lets not disclose Textron's high tech industries, which were devalued with the high tech bubble. Lets fail to be forthcoming.
And lets not passover your ability to purchase stock in Textron............Can we say ESOP and leave it at that.
In summary, Claiming Bush was the downfall and Obama was the mesiah of Textron's stock price is so off base, It cannot be called "creative political spin"
I realize this is getting long, so I will stop now.
Have I told you fellers about my new 2013 Skeeter Bass boat? Boy it's a beauty. It looks great rolling down the highway with my 2012 Dodge Diesel truck
Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ego. To brag about your bass boat and new pickup when over half of Americans homes are worth less than they owe on them and so many are without work is disgusting. "Egotism is the anesthetic for stupidity." Coach Frank Leahy
You libs want to share the wealth and bash CEOs and anyone that has pursued the American dream, built a company and reaped the benefits of self discipline, hard work, and time management. You want the government to level the playing field and take from those who have and give to those to have not, That is all fine and good but where do you think the gov gets its money....from you! You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! If you have such humanitarian instincts why not share some of your assets with your neighbors that perhaps do not have a union job?
The constitution does not guarantee us happiness but the 'pursuit' of happiness!!
We need to return to the principals that made our country great and what the constitution is based on, God, family, and Country. We cannot hold hands, sing songs, and speak of global relationships when the ship is sinking.
Good luck in your bowhunting pursuits and be safe!
Badger says "Mr Ryan conplained in his campaign speech that Obama did nothing to help the GM plant in Janesville . In fact! Obama wasn't even President when the plan was closed. People in Janesville are calling him a liar. Janesville, is in Ryan's congressional district and HE did nothing to help keep the plant open!"
Obama was the president when the plant ceased all production and was placed on the standby list. The Large SUV production run was completed in December 2008. The plant was still producing medium pickups until april 2009. It was placed on the list of "standby plants" for may 2009. It is true the majority of workers were laid off because of no production need. Similar to when a union goes on strike and part shortages cause production run stoppages. Similiar when a current model line is ended and no retooling takes place.
Was GM waiting for the promised government money for retooling? Who knows, but its clearly documented that the plant was in operation when Obama was President. Or the trucks running around with Jansville production stickers in April 2009 are chinese counterfeits.
Bottomline nobody did enough to keep the plant open. Even the new Auto Czar of Obama or Ryan. Cause the plant is still on standby. Then again its a large SUV plant, dinosaur of vehicles.
Just because the GOP politicians come out to campaign events wearing camo and playing the part doesn't make them pro-hunting. A single glance at their voting records tell a much different tale. But they're very good at what they do- duping voters with the same old scare tactics that come out every election. "Vote for me or the other guy will ban hunting and make guns extinct. The GOP plan, We are going to Sell off our public land to reduce our debt? What do we sell next, Yellowstone? Grand Canyon? And to who, China? If the Dem.s said that we would have a riot. Fear always keeps people from looking at facts.
Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” budget resolution called for the selling off of public lands. Lots of it. That hurts blue-collar hunters like you and me. His proposal would starve our public-land agencies of funding until they sell off land just to stay afloat. That is shortsighted politics when it comes to wildlife management and hunter opportunity. Wow, they have the guts to tell you up front they are going to take your hunting land. Sportsmen are very passionate about gun rights, but what does it matter how many guns you have if you have no place to hunt and nothing to hunt? With all the name calling, this could be a broad head form, Thanks Pat for all you do, see you all in the woods.
"Thank goodness for my Union job. Great pay with great benfits. Weekends off if I don't want to work. Nice big 401k as well. Too bad you guys think you don't deserve that."
Notice the lack of individual responsibility. Nothing to denote that the employee has increased his/her skill set making them more valuable to the employer, no extra effort, nothing. In other words, if it wasn't for union extortion and thuggery I wouldn't be qualified to shovel sh!t in a chicken farm.
I am bombarded with enough political ads and spin on TV, and radio, and other media outlets...I do not come to a bowhunting site for another political commercial.
The Michelle Obama comment was crude, classless, and wrong on all levels! Even though it was pulled..the thought was there, and enough people saw it and can find it....totally distasteful.
So, if with the Sarah Palin endorsement, and now Ryan, simply because they are "hunters"....which no way qualifies them to run a country....is the norm here....I am no longer visiting or posting bowsite or leatherwall...
Leave politics off a bowhunting site.....
All are entitled to their opinions...but as owner of the site I believe you are using it to forward your political agenda, and that I don't agree with....
Because a person is a bowhunter is not my criteria for voting him into public office.....
This is a funny read, (just about) all of you guys/gals have political blinders on! The Dems like to hand out tax payers money like its candy, the republicans don't give a rats arse about the working man, the middle class is being beat down. If you just for a minute sat back and reasonably looked at both sides you would realize they are all a bunch of money hungry idiots, I'm not sure what the answer is, getting the money out of politics may be the answer but I don't know how you could do it. In the mean time the left keeps getting further to the left and the right keeps getting further to the right leaving us guys in the middle with no one to represent us.
What if you had a NFL coach, with a loosing record, leave a team. Then you got a new coach, that was there for 4 years, and was still loosing, even worse.But the reason THIS coach says he is loosing, is because of the last coach.. Just blame everything on someone else.. O-BLAME-'O'
I agree Pat. And I believe that this is the perfect place for this discussion. Our grandchildren are depending on us NOT to spend them into hell. I'm voting Romney/Ryan ...and I could care less about someone's union job. It's time to suck it up...make some sacrifices and get our country out of debt!
@tcook- Union jobs are important because public services are under-appreciated by the free market. I personally think firefighters deserve a decent wage and a retirement in exchange for rescuing people from car wrecks, inhaling toxic smoke, and generally putting it on the line to protect families and businesses. I believe cops should also be compensated for their thankless work keeping our society safe enough for legitimate private sector businesses. Not only would it be unethical to pay cops dirt (they aren't making much anyway) and take away their retirement, but I believe it would open the door to the level of corruption that you see in other countries where, well, they pay their cops dirt. Of course, public servants enjoy helping their communities... even during these times when it seems like no one appreciates it. But the logistics of life demand a certain bit of financial security and if you want good people, you need to provide a live-able wage. Like any bureaucracy, unions have their problems, but they are the political voice for the men and women whose services can't be quantified by the free market. All you need to do is look at history to understand why we have unions and why we still need them. Union reform? Sure, aim for that. Just about everyone who belongs to a union will agree they could be more effective/efficient. However, attacking "union jobs" is short-sighted and insulting to the hardworking men and women who are already poorly compensated for making this country such a safe and pleasant place to live.
I guess its all boils down to what you want to believe and how you interpet information.there are a lot of social issues that both parties really suck at but the issue seems to be economics and there is no doubt in my mind that the repubs are as guilty as anyone for spending us into oblivian, the real question is how do we turn that around, the trickle down therory or build up the middle class, it seems simple to me go with whats worked in the past,
"Mr. Bowbender, are you trying to say or admitt that your jealous and or unqualified to get a Union job? Most people who talk like this are the ones who could'nt get in the front door of any Union shop. Don't give up! You may make it someday. Until then there are plenty of miniumum wage jobs in the fast food industry."
Spoken like a true union rep. Unqualified? Hardly? Learned to sit on my ass and excel at mediocrity a long time ago. 'Sides you would be surprised at what I make as a high speed automation engineer.
Well I guess Pat opened a BIG can of worms with this BS article. I find it humerous that some of you guys actually believe a politician will ever help the working class. I also find it curious that many of the guys who choose the disagree button are the ones that regularly attack me and others on Bowsite...
The bottom line is simply this; who is the candidate that is the "lesser of two evils"? Isn't that sad? We have seen the same old same old from Obama,(saying he will do one thing before the election then doing the opposite after the election) he's a typical politician! If we are happy with the direction of this country we should vote for Obama. If we are not happy with the direction of this country we should vote for Romney.
He's a solid sportsman but I don't like his ideology. This country was not founded on the principal of give big business the breaks and then the money trickles down to the working folks. That's called being a pee-on. It was founded on promoting the individual liberties of it's citizenry
Well it is obvious that every disagree is from a union member. Not surprising as they are told what to say and what to do. New Bass boat, New Pickup truck and mocking those that do not have the means right now because of the Obama economy to have the same. Yep, seems about right
What the hell is a working class person. Most of us get up and work everyday of our lives to support our families. But only the Union guys are working class?
Someone define the little guy, working class guy.
That attitude will hopefully be the death of the unions.
This boils down to one thing, you think you are better off with Obama or without Obama. Union guys would not know the difference as they are told if they are better off or not. The rest of us have a decision to make in November. Are you better off than you were before Obama. Really simple.
I learned a long time ago that unions are a great "idea" ....but a very poor design --- they allow folks to never be fired, other folks to never be hired, guaranteed job security regardless of of your usefulness or UN-usefulness. My wife is a teacher. I'm proud of her -- but not proud of the union background. Some union folks are good people, but the overall union ideal takes away the basic idea of capitalism in the workplace --- produce or you lose. The cream floats to the top. You did O.K., Pat --- Hey, it's YOUR site. oso
"Mr.Bowbender, isn't that a fancy way of saying you're a button pusher? You're for sure saying that you are overhead labor. I'd be thinking about another skill set just to be safe. There are probably many talented people in China and India that could easily handle automation technology. Good luck to you."
Uh huh....So let's see a fancy button pusher designs a million dollar piece of equipment or cells, helps the machine builders with assembly and machining of parts, but needs a new set of skills. Right... I'm overhead? Yeah, I either produce, or I'm gone. You? Unions make up less than 10% of manufacturing jibs. Your the endangered species.
I can't believe any sportsman would support Obama. I am saddened to see some of these responses. I am not a fan of Romney, but honestly, I would vote for my dog before I would vote for Obama. Ryan is a smart guy and is trying to do the right thing. IF you for a minute think that Obama has the sportsman's best interests in mind, then have I got some swamp land to sell you. If Obama gets re-elected, then America as we have known it is over. Our kids will not have it remotely as good as we have had it and for those of you who vote for him, it will be on your heads. My two cents. (Actually that is all I have left after paying my taxes).
Well all I know is im sure glad to see that most of my fellow bowhunters all agree that we have to get this poor excuse of a president out of office and get this country headed in the right direction. Just curious why you obama supporters dont fight this topic with some actual facts that he has done anything right since elected. O well I sure as he"< didnt vote for em the first time and never will. All you haters out there that whine and complain about Pat posting this here you're pathetic. I cant think of a better place myself.
Whatever dude....if all you got is a typo (the O is next to the I) then you already lost.
"Mr.Bowbender, you're easy this time. You just addmitted "I produce or I'm gone". I'd start looking for a Union job if I were you."
Why? I trust in my skill set. Never been laid off in thirty plus years. I make myself valuable to my employer. Acquire skills that keep me in demand. You keep your job thru thuggery and extortion.
One of my first automation jobs was designing material handling systems for........Boeing 737 & 767 wing spar sections. Another one was cutting and bending hard coat coax cables for Lockheed, for replacement radar grids on the USS Cole. Sounds like you're a wrench mechanic.
Unions have been the main reason the U.S. has lost most of it's production, and has caused the manufacturing of "made in America" products to practically dissapear. Steel production, shipbuilding,etc... You can blame the unions and overregulation for that. Almost it's entire history is intertwined with corruption and greed... Reminds me of the UN, based on a good principle but morphed into a bunch of crooks that are control freaks...keep drinking the Kool Aid though...too many little piggies sucking the teet dry and you believe that it's "all good"..Unable to see the forest through the trees huh?...Enjoy the ship while you can, cause it's sinking..LOL @ Sleepy, if your boy wins again, one can only hope that all your fancy toys will be re-distributed to someone far more deserving than you..Your pathetic!
Your codescending diatribes of your fellow bowsiters is revolting. The subject matter was not about your pickup, boat, motorcycle, 401K, and assets that nobody give a damn about. You must be a big dog at work, or maybe in your family, but most likely only in your imagination, to make such disgusting remarks about others all the while elevating yourself and your beloved union.
Remember you will meet the same people on the way down as you did the way up!
This is total B.S. We are in the middle of IMO the greatest season of the year-Elk season. and the feature is a community forum worthy feature? The community forum is the worst part of bowsite and now it is right up front. What happened to 5x5 when five experts gave tips on 5 different elk hunting scenarios. Instead we have partisan CRAP!!! Bowsite-Fox edition.
Pat,,, the owner of this site gave birth to this ,,,so i guess everyone stops by and burps it. i would think by now this topic needs its diaper changed and put to bed. everyone is entitled to there opinions and there right to vote as they feel. It is just a shame that this is put on this forum to pit hunters against hunters by asking then there political stand. well pat you have succeeded in exposing what you intended to do ,,,i sure hope hunting camps or friends dont sit around campfires and talk politics,and say you have to be republican to hunt with us,,,or you have to be democrat to hunt with us. we each have a right to vote ,,and we each have our reasons to a certain way,,,let it be that way and enjoy our outdoor love.If a a hunter is in need do ask first how he voted? would you donate to someone in need that did not vote the way you did? dont lets this topic tear down the bonds of sportsman,love your fellow man reguarless of political standpoint,,or color of skin ,or religous status.
My own interests? Typical liberal response. What's best for "me" and "my" interests. Not what's best for the country as a whole. It appears that almost all the "pink" responders here are of that mindset. Look at "my" boat, "my" motorcycle, help "me" the working man, who's looking at for "me." Liberals are selfish and always have been. They would cut down the entire forest just to save their favorite tree. Much like some union members who care nothing for the company that pays their check as long as they get "theirs." Funny how Nissan and Toyota keep rolling along with their non-union employees in right to work states while GM, Chrysler, and to some extent, Ford, battle just to stay in the black. It's not the first time the so called Big 3 have gotten into trouble and it won't be the last. Our pandering president recognizes this selfish liberal mindset and targets each group with freebie promises. He has specifically targeted gays, women, latinos, etc. with special "gifts" in order to secure their support and votes. He has dodged his woeful economic record at every turn and deflected the discussion back to social issues where he thinks he has an advantage. The federal government has one mandate and that is national security. It has no business involving itself and taxpayer dollars in the social arena. The federal government should be small and efficient and utilize national tax dollars to strengthen the military and protect our nation. The best thing the federal govt. can do for the economy and business is to get out of the way and let capitalism and competition (that which built this nation) lead the way. This president inherited the bad economy you say? Then why did he do nothing about it when he and his party controlled congress and the executive branch? Instead of attacking the problems of the poor economy he chose to ram thru a national health care plan that he has no way of paying for other than robbing Medicare and increasing taxes on everyone. If you don't have health care you will be penalized just under $700 for your trouble. So the economy is failing and he focuses on nonsense. Passed the stimulus you say? Yes, and after the stimulus money ran out GM declared bankruptcy anyway. Something they should have done initially which would have netted the same result and circumstances that they are in now but saved the taxpayers millions. In short, this president is inept. He cannot speak without a teleprompter and actually used a teleprompter when he spoke to a 2d grade elementary class. Unbelievable. By his own admission this president smoked as much dope as he could afford in college and used harder drugs if they were available. By his own admission he skipped classes and spent most of his time reading/following socialist issues. This is not heresay or hard right rhetoric, this is our president in his own words. He has never held a job of any type other than teaching constitutional law. He has never run any type of business or served in the military. In the short two years he served as senator he abstained from voting nearly 50% of the time and never voted on any bill which was controversial. As president he has attended only 44% of his daily security briefings (something all previous presidents rarely missed). Again, this president is inept. He doesn't know how to do anything other than campaign and he certainly doesn't know anything about how America was built. Sadly, we are becoming Greece. No one cares about the country as long as they can get theirs. It doesn't matter if there is no money I want paid. There was a democratic party that would never tolerate this liberal "me, me, me" mindset. Sadly, it has been consumed by the far left and I fear it may never return. There was a democratic president that once said, "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Where are these democrats?
Yes... your own interests. As hunters, we should support those committed to protecting public lands, rather than those who would sell them off or erode protections so that they can be exploited and polluted to help the rich get richer.
Let me then be more succinct. This election is not about infantile fringe issues such as public land sales, women's contraception, dream acts, or other diversions. It is about keeping the country from imploding due to escalating debt (4 billion added per day). Our debt is larger than every country in Europe's GDP. Your president has accounted for fully 1/3 of the entire debt and has no plan to reduce it. As Americans we should support those who would address the debt and the economy and leave the fringe nonsense for better times when and if we survive and stabilize.
Should have said every country in Europe's combined GDP. Our GDP is 15 trillion per year and our debt is 16 trillion projected to be 20 trillion in four years. When your debt exceeds your GDP do I need to spell out what happens? For some maybe I do so, inn the elementary vernacular, when your bills exceed your take home pay you're are going to go broke. This is not time for small mindedness and being diverted by issues that have no relevance right now. Our credit has been downgraded for the first time in history and we have fallen to number seven in the world in economic viability. So Sandra, Uncle Sam can't pay for your birth control pills right now.
Indiana is a right to work state and nissan and toyota still use union construction workers to do the majority of there shut down maintenance and new construction as well as full time contracted maintenance i know this to be true because my family and i still work there every year
I'm just glad this is off the home page now! Pretty embarassing when you open up Bowsite at work and it says Dream Babe with a picture of some dude on it! Some of the guys got a real chuckle out of it but one guy grabbed my ass!
To those of you that don't want to read or participate in a political discussion. How hard is it to just ignore it? Really?
I cant fathom anyone that could vote for the current administration a second, time. I can see some people being duped the first time. I personally wouldn't want anything to do with anyone that freakin silly.
I read earlier in this thread, where someone was trying to prop this president up based on the performance of the stock market. Really? The stock market is being fueled by funny money from the fed. Something they kicked in overdrive today, by stating they will print a massive amount money. They are all in here before the election (desparation). They are trying to buy this election on the backs of our future generations. We are trapped, they cant raise interest rates to slow inflation, because they cant pay the intrest on the debt if they do. We are screwed and thats plain and simple.
The tax payers bailed out GM, and they still are, with the government entities buying up the expensive piece of crap volt. Unions have long outlived their usefullness. One question what happened to the original GM Stock? My mother had a fair amt of her retirement in GM stock, I hope you union members are enjoying it.
I have a bitter disgust for anyone that can vote for the democratic party.
Yesterday (Sep 13) the House of Representatives voted 225-189 to pass a bill authorizing a controversial land transfer that would almost certainly result in the mining of public lands in Minnesota’s Superior National Forest. These lands have numerous other values like hunting, fishing, snowmobiling, and recreation.
As the Minneapolis Star Tribune editorialized: " This land swap isn’t about Minnesota’s hard-pressed schoolchildren. It’s about converting forest land to mining."
A number of sportsmen groups are opposed to the bill because mining by its very nature blocks access to prime wildlife habitat and hunting and fishing. As David Lien of the group Minnesota Backcountry Hunters and Anglers wrote:
Over 100 years ago, Teddy Roosevelt proclaimed the Superior National Forest as a place “reserved from settlement” and “set apart as a public reservation, for the use and benefit of the people.” If HR 5544 passes, that will no longer be the case for 86,000 acres of public lands in the [Superior National Forest].
... but I guess as some mentioned in earlier posts we should put "our own interests aside for those of the greater good..." I wonder who stands to gain most from these transactions, the community or the mining business?
Going back to the mountains tonight the Elk are bugling ...
So while the elk and public lands are still there...
To post something from the left leaning "Think Progress" group and then "cherry pick" the parts of this particular bill in an attempt to politicize and demonize Republicans is typical liberal white wash. This bill calls for a direct swap between Minnesota and the Federal government for some 80,000 acres. The state would get from the Feds what they want and the Feds would get the same amount of acreage elsewhere. The bill was introduced at the request of the state so if you have a problem contact the governor. If the state chooses to mine the newly acquired acreage then it would be within their purview to do so. Maybe they're thinking about the copper and nickel resources there and the new jobs that such a mining operation would bring to the state. God knows they could use them. Maybe they won't do any mining there at all. Regardless, the land is within the borders of Minnesota and I see no problem in letting Minnesotans decide how they will manage and utilize their own properties. This issue is completely irrelevant to the presidential race and is just another diversionary tactic designed to draw attention away from the president's horrible economic policies.
One of the most honest conservatives I know said this today:
"Let's go ahead and vote for Mitt so that we can get on with dismantling the middle class. It's going to be gone in a decade anyway, we may as well get rid of it sooner rather than later, so I can raise my kids knowing they'll have an 80% chance of downward mobility, or, if they work extremely hard, and cheat where necessary, they will make it into the moneyed class. I prefer a dose of hard realism of Romney rather than the fake optimism of Obama.
Romney knows the truth about this country, and he represents it: If you have money, you matter, and society can and should cater to you. If you don't have money, and can't or don't have the means to getreal money, folks, $200k or better per year, as he said recently, then you don't deserve any rights. Poor people are simply assets that the rich manipulate. The lower class is simply cannon fodder for a consumer society, nothing more. They are "natural resources" for the rich to exploit. They need to understand that, it will make the next 15 years a lot less painful for everyone if they'd just understand and accept this simple fact that has been true since the dawn of civilization."
When you gonna wake up from that dream sleepy? I can't wait for the debates either...The talking head VS. Ryan? Oh yeah, it's gonna be good..And OBLAMO wont be able to hide behind a telepromter or spin the media to his favor...WORST President in our history...hands down, and my apologies to Jimmy Carter..you lost the title..I seriously doubt anyone complained you were being mean...STUPID, maybe, but anyone who can read your posts already figured that out. Your lucky I'm not a MOD, cause I would've drop kicked you after your first run of verbal diarrhea. But I don't know, now I enjoy your showing off your ignorance. It makes me laugh.
Brilliant post Accu-Archer. Finally, a (so-called) conservative who mostly makes sense. I reach a different conclusion because I think it makes more sense to oppose and postpone what may be inevitable. You don't have to be optimistic to fight for your interests. When (so-called) conservatives say "less painful for everyone", they mean themselves. Delay gives me more time to accumulate resources for my family, or at least lose them at a reduced rate. In the long run, all our interests are short term (discounting afterlife).
Rubbish! Who is this "honest conservation?" Let me guess, first name "Figment" last name "Imagination" or "Left Wing" and "Loon."
Obama has been playing a shell game for four years and somehow liberals actually believe there is a "magic" pea under his empty shells. The truth is those shells are as empty as his rhetoric. My how he can turn a phrase and the intellectually challenged swoon. His mission to fundamentally change America is nothing more than a veiled attempt to socialize everything and move the power from the American citizen to a centralized, liberal government. The war on the wealthy only feeds the wealth envious to begin with and creates an artificial and manufactured target for their anger. Everyone who is down and out needs someone to be mad out so Obama has given it to them, the wealthy. He has fabricated an imaginary conservative war on everything; wealth, women, homosexuals, hispanics, etc. and his followers have swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. All of this is simply a diversion to turn the debate away from his pitiful record. While his big plan to raise taxes on what he defines as the wealthy sounds good to the down trodden the fact is that if it were implemented today it would only generate 40 billion in revenue. Since he is accruing debt at the rate of 4 billion per day his big attack on American wealth and the monies it would produce would be eaten up in new debt in only ten days. Great Plan!
To improve America opportunities, not handouts are required. If every single American were to create a flow chart of his/her life beginning with high school and ending with where you are today you would all see that as an individual you are exactly where you should be based upon the number of opportunities you were given and your ability to act on those opportunities when they arose. The appearance of those opportunities represent decision points in your life and when presented what did you do? Your intellect, initiative, motivation, etc. all played a part in where you are now based upon how you handled any and all opportunities you had. If you knocked up your girlfriend in high school, started using drugs and alcohol, skipped class, etc. then your station in life will reflect those decisions. If you attended class, played sports, participated in extra curricular activities, etc. then the same. Intellect, drive/determination plus opportunity equals success. You cannot blame others for your station in life. If you are not happy with it then work to change it but do not look to this government to artificially create an environment whereby the less fortunate are given advantage by diminishing others. That's not American but it certainly is liberal thinking.
It's understandable that some people may support a candidate who believes in giving money to people who don’t work for it, and won’t work for it. So why even require someone like this to even look for work? After all, it’s easy to just print more money. What does it matter that it debases the savings of those who did work for it? More money can be printed to take care of them, too. Making everyone mediocre is the only fair thing to do. How can anyone take exception to a person who declares “executive privilege” to take the heat off Mr. Holder for withholding evidence in a failed plan that was only intended to stop the flow of guns into criminal hands? Or was that to stop the flow of firearms into the hands of honest, law abiding citizens as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights? Well, it really doesn’t matter if this was the actual intent since this would make us more like the rest of the world. There are way too many guns in civilian hands anyways.
And we all drive trucks and cars, right? Why in the world would anyone complain when our tax dollars were used to support American companies that were ineptly managed for decades, hamstrung by economically unsupportable union demands that were acquiesced to when times were good? Why rock the boat, America really has no competition for cars and trucks, do we? Status quo all the way!
Can anyone complain about giving folks illegally in the county the ability to vote? Or deny giving people the ability to vote without proving who they are? How else can we expect certain people to be able to vote at all, or vote multiple times? Some candidates need these voting groups to stay viable, so please hold your criticisms. If you object, you are just being mean spirited.
The preceding issues are wide open for differences of opinion and debate. This is what makes our country so great: the right to look at the facts and arrive at totally nonsensical conclusions.
No, fellow Bowsiters, I must base my support of the Romney/Ryan ticket on something not based on man’s theories, but on God’s command: You shall not commit murder. Candidates who believe that a child can be ripped from its mother’s womb, or even delivered to the point that only its head remains in its mother before it’s murdered by having his or her brains sucked out, can never have my support.
Candidates and elected officials who support murdering unborn children, plus those who vote for them, will someday stand accountable before Almighty God. For those of you who have read this to the end, you have no excuse. You have been warned.
Clinging to guns, religion, and of course my bow, Mild Bill
Ken Moody, the "imaginary" conservative who made the comment in question is a very real, he's a blood relative.
He's a slightly autistic dot-com genius, modestly wealthy, a keen observer of society, and has no filter whatsoever. He truly says what he feel in any given moment.
I truly believe he believes in this sentiment, and I believe that he got this sentiment from "reading between the lines" of what conservatives say on TV, in their publications. In case you missed it, Mitt did say that "200-250K per year is middle income" (actual median income in the US is $50k). He said this the other day on national TV. What that really means is, it's the middle income of *the people who matter to Mitt Romney and to most republicans*.
No, he did NOT say that. You must be watching MSNBC or some other liberal rag that edited out what he actually said which is that middle income is $200-$250K AND LESS per year which is exactly what the president says it is. You are perpetuating an outright lie.
Let's bring this back to what's most important... We are spending too much money. We are charging it to our grandkids! It's time we all hurt a little bit and get our finances in order!!! Romney/Ryan is going to head us in that direction.
Mr. Moody has not said anything untrue or unethical, quite the contrary,and he has done so very eloquently. Just remember before you draw a line in the sand, that there is people from all political views that have a business, and most folks don't ask their political views before you become a patron of them..Way to build a bridge, bub... That being said, if I were in a lifeboat or a foxhole....
I'm a small business owner. I never not covered my bills or asked for a handout. Goverment at all levels has always hampered my progress. The whole system needs to revaluated and cut and privatized and deunionized. Peace TJW
"It's time we all hurt a little bit and get our finances in order!!! Romney/Ryan is going to head us in that direction. "
Republicans have never moved us in that direction. They only worry about debt when democrats have the presidency. I prefer the country have adult supervision, and will happily vote for imperfect Obama.
"I cant fathom anyone that could vote for the current administration a second, time."
It's easier when you realize the alternative is to vote for the previous administration's equivalent.
Pete...your very comment highlights brilliantly what is wrong with you and your party. You place self over country. You can clearly see that in literally every pink posting. "What's in it for me" should be the Dems slogan as it seems that it all you and yours are worried about. For me I will always speak out for what I think is best for our overall country, livelihood be damned. To think I would calculate commentary based on how it would affect my wallet is typical liberal thinking. That's why this president is pandering to almost every group individually and not offering any overall plan for the country. He has offered political favors to any special interest group that he believes will help him win the election; women, homosexuals, hispanics, campaign bundlers, etc.
Obama is a brilliant campaigner but a lousy chief executive. Vote him out!
BTW, my father is a democrat and he hunts with me all the time. But then, he's not petty.
I don't care if Paul Ryan shoots a longbow, what does the vp do besides sit in on Senate meetings and kiss babies? - Mitt Romney can't remember what he was hunting.. "...was is elk, or moose?" see : http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/romney-hunted-moose----no-elk-no-varmints/article_308c388e-e2fa-50c2-92f4-9514bcc8242a.html : Anyways, there are two distinctly different tags in Montana, Moose is based on a draw system... The man was either in the woods and had no idea what he was hunting ( I have no respect for that) or he is full of it. Probably both. To make it a little more interesting the man who he was hunting with was "Sportsmen for Wildlife" Don Peay (he's the guy who says Teddy Roosevelt is outdated, and wildlife doesn't belong to the people, but to those "more privileged."
50% more people on foodstamps, one in seven Americans. Average income dropping, $4000 less now than four years ago, debt increasing by 4 billion per day, half of Americans paying taxes while the other half pay nothing and somebody thinks whether Romney was hunting elk or moose is that point on which the election should be predicated. Unbelievable! The difference between conservatives and liberals? Conservatives believe everyone should pull the wagon while libs believe everyone should ride.
I've watched Pat devolve over the last 14 years I have been a member of this site. He used to moderate as an owner of the site, and he showed respect for the variety of opinions that showed up here (as long as they were politely stated).
But over the last couple of years he has injected the kind of crass political ideology and language that characterizes the most narrow-minded of the members here. It's obvious he has bought into the rigid thinking and language of the far right-wing, and I, for one, am sad to see it.
I used to feel welcome here because I am a serious bowhunter, but lately I have felt that I am not welcome because I do not share the political ties of the conservatives that dominate this site. It used to be that this kind of post was contained in the Community Forum to keep it from infecting the general site. I am sad to see it has seeped into this forum as well.
Oh Catfish, The reason this is being addressed is it will be too late after Nov. Everyone knows how far the media swings left. It needs to be talked about everywhere. I'm sad you are a sad because, to vote for Obama is to vote to destroy America. Plain and simple. Even the lefty wing nuts have no idea what he really wants to do here. You don't care about the disarming of our defence, depleting our fuel reserves, while at the same time supporting country's that view us with contept. Billions in "aid" to radicals.Turning NASA into a muslim fan club? huh? What about space exploration? That's OUR money he is burning. Yet you guys dont care and turn a blind eye, because right now all you care about is the false illusion that he cares about the enviroment.. There will be little of anything left as we know it when he is done. You call yourselves sportsman, but he will take away our right to bear arms.. You are all fools if you vote for this guy and you will be to blame for what happens. You think he's pro union? He wants you to think that..We are all being used to divide and conquer this nation. This guys radical influences apparently don't concern you either.Think your union bosses would hang around with Frank Marshall? How about Bill Ayers? I fear you guys won't recognize that this is a completely different animal in disguise as a dem. You will have only yourselves to blame.
I wholeheartedly disagree that this isn't "the place" for this kind of discussion. That's ludicrous. What Pat chooses to post or not is his decision. He is a free market enterprise which is what this country is all about. The issues facing our country need to be discussed. Whether on Fox news, CNN, the dinner table, or yes even bowsite.
I like Paul Ryan and think he was an excellent choice. I wish he had been the numero uno candidate.
Truth is though this country needs more than a decent canidate for vice president or president. Our problems lie much deeper than that. It's like putting a bandaid on a severed arm.
"If my people, who are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land" God
Heck man- it may seem like a small deal(I think the common consensus from what I've read is everyone is unhappy with the state of the country). What I'm saying is who cares if Paul Ryan can pull back a bow? He's not the running for president, and that's irrelevant. If Romney doesn't take accountability for something that is a big deal(ethically, in our realm) how can I believe he is telling the truth or act ethically with something more important? It's the little things that show his true colors. I'm no Democrat and would never be accused of leaning left- a vote for either one of those two clowns would be a lie on my part. I support neither. It's time to take care of me and mine and send a message that Americans are still the hardest working, smartest, and best looking people on the globe those: refugees aren't going the other way - let the politicians play their games with the sheeple.
Thanks guys for entertaining me for the last 30 minutes with this thread. We've got racial overtones, homophobic slurs, weighted speech, and down right baffling arguments. Nothing like a community coming together. I'm torn for who to vote for so I need some more help. Let's do a checklist. Rich or Poor=I'm poor my family is rich. Government or Private Sector=Wife works for the government I work for private Hobbies=Hunting, Golf (big time republican nod there) Religious beliefs=Christian, but I believe in abortion and gay rights (big dem view there)
Ah hell, I live in Illinois anyway so it doesn't matter:) Plus who has time to vote in November when the rut is on.
Wondering if any Romney/Ryan supporters have changed their position now that you know Romney doesn't care about 47% of Americans. He said, "My job is is not to worry about those people."
I disagree -- I think the President's job is to represent and advance my interests and those of all Americans, regardless of income level. Any disabled veterans out there? Anyone who is retired? Anyone who prefers to hunt and grow thier food, rather than earn a salary to buy it? Just a few examples of the kind of people Romney doesn't care about.
It's also interesting that Romney forgot to note in his "off the cuff" discussion of 'dependency' that few people in America are more dependent on federal welfare than Mitt Romney. The tax preferences that have made an order-of-magnitude difference in the present-day size of Mitt Romney's personal fortune — lower taxes on capital gains, allowing management fees to be taxed as a 'carried interest' at the capital gains rate, taxation of Bain-related retirement income at the capital gains rate (as if he was still an active partner) instead of at the nominal rate for retirement income, favorable valuation of stock contributions to his IRA account (at 'par' rather than 'market' value), etc. -- are referred to, in the world of federal fiscal policy, as 'tax expenditures,' and Romney has enriched himself with those tax expenditures, at the direct expense of other taxpayers who have had to make up the difference or as a direct addition to deficit spending, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. Romney is the poster child for dependency on federal spending.
Under Ryan's proposed budget, Romeny's tax burden would be even lower. Would that kind of policy be good for most Americans, or only the richest? Hmmm...
Anyway, Romney's campaign "jumped the shark" when he trash talked nearly half of all voters. Bad strategy if your objective is to win popular election. So, game over, four more years of Obama.
Some would say that this website also "jumped the shark" when it strayed from its purpose (bowhunting) and starting posting polemical political propoganda. But Pat isn't participating in a democratic process and trying to appeal to voters. I agree with those who say this is his site and he can say whatever he wants here. The consequences (if any -- perhaps less traffic, fewer advertisers, more hate mail, etc) are Pat's alone.
Just my two cents. Regardless of your political position, good luck to all this hunting season.
Well WB I will concur with your Ron Paul nod. He's the only politician that has the stones to tell the truth 24/7. He doesn't pander as he never alters his arguments to coincide with the crowd he's addressing. So, in short, he's unelectable :) I do take exception to the abortion support however. If you've ever viewed a partial birth abortion you could never, ever support it. Never! It's the most disgusting thing I've ever seen and only a monster could condone it for anything other than health of the mother. A party that supports the murder of the unborn without restriction is an immoral, contemptible group. You can look up partial birth abortion on the internet and watch a video of the act. If you don't vomit or cry when you see it you're not human. Ok, enough on this. The election is still about jobs and the economy and direction of our country. Are we to be America or Greece?
"Oh Catfish, The reason this is being addressed is it will be too late after Nov. Everyone knows how far the media swings left. It needs to be talked about everywhere. I'm sad you are a sad because, to vote for Obama is to vote to destroy America. Plain and simple."
Well, Toolguy68, I wasn't going to respond to you here because I thought this was a one-vote thread. But then I noticed you have posted several times, so I will respond.
I've heard your kind of paranoia before. And not just here or in this presidential term. In fact, it has been around for every presidential election I have ever lived through. I'm 67 years old and have ridden this pony before. It's a bit more vociferous today because folks are full of 'internet bravado', but it's the same old song. It is fanned by the flames of those (on both sides) who benefit from such delusion. I'm sorry you have bought into it, but let me assure you it is all pure bs.
jack...No, no one has changed their position based on the actual truth that Romney said. He should get behind those statements and bang it home as everything he said is truthful. Your little left wing slant does nothing to change that. Of course it's not his job to worry about those people whose votes he won't get anyway. He was speaking about "those people" in the context of the election not in general terms. These are people who would vote for Obama regardless. He could grow horns and they wouldn't waiver. Of course you know that but it certainly sounds better when you put you left hand spin on it. Some here are not as infantile as you assume and are not buying your BS or that of the heavily biased liberal media. Sorry, no shark jumping here. Additionally, Romney pays everything in taxes that he owes so get over it. If he hadn't he certainly would be in jail. Of course he takes legal advantage of everything he can just as everyone does. There's a reason capital gains are taxed at a lower rate, it's to encourage investment. Nobody is going to invest if they have to pay a higher tax rate on their returns. Why don't you research what Romney's investments alone have done to stimulate small business growth and jobs. How much tax does your president pay? That's correct, virtually nothing.
Not silly at all. Romney is not releasing his returns for obvious reasons; he's taking advantage of every legal break he's entitled to and that drives people like you crazy. Why put it out there for the loons to chastise? Still, he's paying around 13% on the 20 million he makes annually on investment capital. That's still more than you, me, and everyone else participating in this "silly" political blog. Obama's paying his fair share as well but it is nothing compared to what Romney pays and in fact, Romney's charitable contributions are more than the president's entire return.
Because that's what he paid on last year's returns which he has already released. Additionally, unlike Harry Reid and apparently you, the rest of us have to file our returns with the IRS and if there are any irregularities the IRS launches an audit. That's how it works in big boy world. Romney's returns are all above board or he would be under investigation now. Do you think that if there were any problems with them whatsoever that Eric Holder and his politicized Justice Dept wouldn't be all over it. If you're actually 67 years old you should no better than to put forth stupid liberal talking points. If you are that envious of wealthy people then you might consider moving to Cuba where everyone is the same; broke and miserable.
LITTLE RED HEN--2012 VERSION "Who will help me plant my wheat?" asked the little red hen. "Not I," said the cow. "Not I," said the duck. "Not I," said the pig ". “Not I," said the goose. "Then I will do it by myself." She planted her crop and the wheat grew and ripened. "Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the little red hen. "Not I," said the duck. "Out of my classification," said the pig. "I'd lose my seniority," said the cow. "I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose. "Then I will do it by myself," said the little red hen, and so she did. "Who will help me bake the bread?" asked the little red hen. "That would be overtime for me," said the cow. "I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck. "I'm a dropout and never learned how," said the pig. "If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose. "Then I will do it by myself," said the little red hen. She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share but the little red hen said, "No, I shall eat all five loaves." "Excess profits!" cried the cow. (Nancy Pelosi) "Capitalist leech!" screamed the duck. (Barbara Boxer) "I demand equal rights!" yelled the goose. (Jesse Jackson) The pig just grunted in disdain. (Harry Reid) And they all painted 'Unfair!' picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities. Then the farmer (Obama) came. He said to the little red hen, "You must not be so greedy." "But I earned the bread," said the little red hen. "Exactly," said Barack the farmer. "That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labor with those who are lazy and idle." And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, "I am grateful, for now I truly understand." But her neighbors became quite disappointed in her. She never again baked bread because she joined the 'party' and got her bread free. All the Democrats smiled. 'Fairness' had been established. Individual initiative had died but nobody noticed; perhaps no one cared so long as there was free bread that 'the rich' were paying for. EPILOGUE Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs. Hillary got $8 million for hers. That's $20 million for the memories from two people, who for eight years repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't remember anything. IS THIS A GREAT BARNYARD OR WHAT?
"Romney's returns are all above board or he would be under investigation now."
"Above board" - he, he - so THAT'S why he won't release them. Wow, are you naive. Above board but under cover - I love it!
With the money he pays attorneys to manage his taxes, I have no doubt that he has avoided "breaking the law" (wink, wink) in detectable ways - that's the reason for off shore and Swiss accounts. I don't think he's hiding his returns because he has visibly broken the law, I think he is hiding them because the 'regular Joes' out there would resent the fact that they pay more taxes than Mitt does - if he pays any at all.
And to envy wealthy people you have to think money is what life is all about. I don't - do you? My issue is not with wealth - it's with openness. If you want to manage the Nation's economy, let's have a look at how you have managed yours. If you did it by selling out American workers, I just might want to know that.
Pretty petty, pathetic response. People who claim they don't care about money are people who have no money. You can "he, he" and "wink, wink" all you want but your just one of those people who apparently doesn't have much and believe that anyone who does must have cheated or scammed someone to get it. Your "us against them" attitude it exactly what Obama is counting on to get re-elected. You do realize that Romney is being taxed twice on the same money. Once when he initially made it and again now that he's investing it. I guess a "regular joe" like yourself doesn't understand how that works but capital gains taxes are low and actually could stand to be lowered to encourage more investing not less. You understand that people like Romney invest their own money while our economically challenged president can only invest everyone else's. The continued wealth bashing is old and certainly not American. Mitt Romney has paid more in federal tax in one year than you have your entire life so who has done more for America. Mitt or you? Additionally, his charitable contributions in one year are probably more than you've made your entire life so who has helped more people, your or Mitt? Of course you probably do more than Joe Biden who contributes nothing to charity. A big, fat zero, nadda, nothing. You liberals certainly talk the talk but when it comes to putting up YOUR money it's a different story. Seems like you're only good at spending the money of others.
In response the following from Scootmanjack... "It's also interesting that Romney forgot to note in his "off the cuff" discussion of 'dependency' that few people in America are more dependent on federal welfare than Mitt Romney. The tax preferences that have made an order-of-magnitude difference in the present-day size of Mitt Romney's personal fortune — lower taxes on capital gains, allowing management fees to be taxed as a 'carried interest' at the capital gains rate, taxation of Bain-related retirement income at the capital gains rate (as if he was still an active partner) instead of at the nominal rate for retirement income, favorable valuation of stock contributions to his IRA account (at 'par' rather than 'market' value), etc. -- are referred to, in the world of federal fiscal policy, as 'tax expenditures,' and Romney has enriched himself with those tax expenditures, at the direct expense of other taxpayers who have had to make up the difference or as a direct addition to deficit spending, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. Romney is the poster child for dependency on federal spending."
I read this and I seriously couldn't believe it. If your definition of "dependency" on the federal government is that someone actually was able to keep more of what they earned by virtue of lower taxes I truly, truly feel sorry for you. "They" got you man, seriously, you're a "subject" and not a citizen if that is really what you think.
There are valid criticisms for all candidates, as no one is perfect, but this just isn't one of them.
I am much more in favor of Ryan than Romney truthfully, but I would take the man on the moon over Obama/Biden, so this is an easy decision. That Ryan is a bowhunter is cool, but nowhere the deciding factor for me.
" People who claim they don't care about money are people who have no money."
That kind of narrow-minded statement is similar to the folks who assume that if you are in favor of civil rights you must be in a minority, or if you are opposed to domestic violence or care about breast cancer you must be female. You don't have to belong to a group to care about them - well, at least I don't - not so sure about you.
"but your just one of those people who apparently doesn't have much and believe that anyone who does must have cheated or scammed someone to get it."
Sorry, but you're wrong. But your assumptions say a great deal about you.
Actually your childish assumptions about Mitt Romney speak volumes about you. For the record, Romney's 2011 return was released today and is available for drones like you, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi to view. In 2011 he made 13.7 million in investment returns and paid 2 million in taxes for an effective rate of 14.1%. His charitable donations were 4 million dollars and he only claimed half off his taxes. So the man gives nearly 1/3 of his income in one year to charity and only claims half of it back. Additionally, and I hope you are reading this, in an independent letter released by Price-Waterhouse who reviewed the Romney's returns for the past 20 years, Mitt and Anne Romney owed both federal and state income taxes for the entire twenty years and have paid 100% of all taxes owed with an average tax rate of 20%. You should be ashamed of your tacky, inaccurate, pathetic posting earlier regarding Mitt Romney. This man has paid more in taxes and given more to charity than the entire Obama administration.
"Mitt and Anne Romney owed both federal and state income taxes for the entire twenty years and have paid 100% of all taxes owed with an average tax rate of 20%."
Sorry, but while you're trying to put the best spin on it, it just don't float. An "Average tax rate" over 20 years doesn't mean that he necessarily paid more than 20% in any more than one year. And it doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't pay more than $1 for several years.
And we all know that "income" can be manipulated in many ways - including donations to your chosen charities. If he gave 4 mil to charity and only claimed half of it, one might think he didn't even need to claim any more - that his taxes were already near zero. If you depreciate or invest, your on paper income can be $20 and you pay $4 in taxes at 20%.
The bottom line is he's embarrassed to disclose his tax returns over the last 5 years. That would solve the issue. But he won't. And that speaks volumes about him. The guy wants to manage the national economy, is running on economic management issues, and won't show us how he has managed his own economy. If he was a democrat, you'd be screaming bloody murder.
" For the record, Romney's 2011 return was released today and is available for drones like you,"
That's hardly news - he's been promising to do that "soon" for months. I would certainly imagine that the return he has constructed since deciding to run for President would look pretty good.
"And now," as Paul Harvey used to say, "here is the rest of the story":
"Mr. Romney has said that he has paid at least 13 percent in federal income taxes in each of the last 10 years.
"In order for that claim to be true in 2011, Mr. Romney had to voluntarily take a smaller deduction than he was entitled to for his charitable deductions, his advisers said Friday.
"Mr. Romney and his wife, Ann, donated about $4 million to charity in 2011, but claimed only $2.25 million as a deduction. The campaign said that Mr. Romney’s tax liability would have been far lower in 2011 had the Romneys claimed the full deduction for their charitable contributions.
"“The Romneys thus limited their deduction of charitable contributions to conform to the governor’s statement in August, based upon the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13 percent in income taxes in each of the last 10 years,” said R. Bradford Malt, Mr. Romney’s trustee.
"It is possible, however, that Mr. Romney could still deduct the unclaimed amount of his charitable donations in future tax years, experts said."
So he didn't keep from claiming all his charitable deductions - what a nice guy! Unless he couldn't because it would put him in a lie about that 13%. Oh, and he can still claim it next year! What a charade.
I guess I should have also included that 13.6% is the lowest rate he paid in the last 20 years so you do the math Einstein. So now he's "constructed" a false return that somehow was legal? I cannot believe how pathetic you liberals actually are. I really can't fathom it. You actually believe that a community organizer with absolutely no background or experience with anything business related is a better choice than a skilled business leader with a sterling record. We all see how brightly Obama's economic brilliance burns. It's time for someone who actually knows what he's doing to take over.
The only charade is your continued nonsense. In America a man is entitled to legally keep as much of HIS money as he can. It is, afterall, his money that he made not the government's. Of course in "la la" land where you reside I assume that it should all go into a pot and everyone get equal shares regardless of whether or not they equally contributed. Your entire, ridiculous, argumentative posts are nothing more than socialist rhetoric. Mitt Romney earned his money and should keep as much of his money as he can. However, it is notable that while Romney contributed 2 million in taxes last year our president kicked in 162 thousand at a rate of 20.5% which is virtually the same rate Romney has averaged the past 20 years. So, in cold hard cash terms, who has paid more? Let's see 2 million or 162K? Does someone have a calculator? But that's alright brother, you keep riding on that wagon and myself and the rest of the 51% of Americans that actually pay taxes will just keep pulling.
scootmanjack....in response to Romney's comment re: he does not worry about the 47%....If you had bothered to listen to the "complete" tape you would have seen that he was talking about worrying over the 47%'s VOTE. He knows that he cannot even begin to win their vote. The 47% vote has already been bought and paid for by the Obama administration. I think what Romney stated is what many have been thinking for a long time but political correctness has prevented. Now that the cards are on the table, so to speak, true dialogue can begin. I applaud his guts to speak the unspeakable and call a spade a spade. And Catfish...you really need a big dose of reality as far as Mr. Romeny's tax returns go. Have you watched any reports concerning the amount of tax he pays? Harry Reid needs to release his returns as well. But I believe he would be embarrassed by how little he gives in charity. Want some Kool Ade?
KS Flatlander, I have enjoyed your posts and the only welcome your wearing out is probably from the progressives... I agree 100% about the film.. I had no idea about his ties to Frank Marshall Davis..Or his comments off mic that were captured. His comments behind closed doors to Rev Wright,quoted by the Wright himself. What I found most disturbing came from Obama himself, in his own voice. Chilling how much he hates this country and he's our POTUS... Everyone should watch it, no matter where you stand politically. OBLAMER has got to go! Never had we had such a secretive administration, he makes Hoover look transparent in comparison.
I can't believe that some of you guys openly admit that you are voting for Obama in November! And you claim to be a hunter?? And you are voting for the most liberal, Anti gun president ever in American history. At this moment, he has Hillary Clinton working with the U.N. on the world wide gun ban. And all it will take is for Obama to appoint two more liberal Supreme Court Judges. which by the way a couple of the now present supreme court Judges are planning to retire in the next few years. If you believe in your gun and hunting rights, there is only one way you can vote. when the guns go, the hunting will go. And Bowhunting will be the first to go, we as bowhunters are a minority. We are the only minority that Obama will not take care of. If he wins again, the America as we no it today will be gone forever! He has already proven that he is not in the Presidential office for the American people. He is there for his own evil intentions. It just blows me away that so many people in this country are so blind and ignorant.
Well said Arrowflinger!!. I personally think that if OB wins he will certainly approve more liberal judges, a fact that a lot of people do not think about when voting, and he will be able to shove every agenda "Big Money" has on there own plate. So if you know who supports him then you know what is on their plate. Once back in, he will be able to satisfy every liberal need. Free range is what he will be able to do. Well done Pat. Thanks for putting this piece there for discussion.
Sleepyhunter: You've got to get over that "black" thing. You show your ignorance when you bring that up. It seems if you don't like BO, you're a racist. You couldn't be further from the truth......he's just in way over his head.
If you want to learn to play football, do you want someone who's played teaching you? If you want to learn to play the piano, do you want someone who played teaching you? If you want to get out of a financial crisis, do you want someone who has done it before teaching you? Wake up, people!
The present administration needs to accept responsibility for: a sustained unemployment rate exceeding 8%, a deficit that is out of control and continues to rise, a global loss of respect and influence, fostering a separation between Americans based on race, economic status and religious beliefs, and a methodic, planned suppression of our rights as guaranteed under the Constitution. America needs to change its course before our children lose every chance of experiencing the greatness of what used to be the America that so many simply does not deserve another bite of the apple.
Great Article Pat! A lot of those that disagree state that they basically don't care that a candidate is a bow hunter. It is scary that no one is willing to stand up and say what they believe anymore and support a candidate that shares those beliefs. As far numerous other statements made such as From Fireman "I'm not a racist, I'm not homophobic, and I'm not rich. So I can't be a republican, I do like that he bow hunts though"
Fireman, you need to check your history facts relating to the Republican Party before you cover them with a blanket statement.
This is a wierd forum for a bow site. But one thing I have seen here is that sleepyhunter is non american, non constitutional He needs to get his head out of his rearend and wake up (sleepyhunter). But guys usually people who talk the way he has really doesn't know anything about our country, constitution, or our founding fore fathers. And on the issue he commented on about the reason we don't like Obama is because he is black and a muslim. He sure isn't a Christian, to be a Christain means to be Christ like, so basicly he is calling us racist. On the other hand the majority of black and latino race vote for Obama just because he is black. That too is racist. But sleepyhunter probably falls into one of the two mentioned groups black or latino.
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Well done Pat. We need more of this important type of discussion.
Elections matter and the future of hunting is far better served by the conservative mindset rather than the liberal mindset. The appointment of judges is the consequence of elections and removing Oblahblah from office will go a long way in protecting the future of hunting because the current Golfer in chief wont be able to further harm America by appointing liberal activist judges.
Romney/ Ryan are the clear and smart choice for the future of America. To continue on with the failed Oblahblah experiment is an error. He has failed on every level. Its past time for him to go. Sure its great that Ryan is a bowhunter but that is small potatoes compared to all the great things he brings to the table.
I predict a 4 point win by the Romney/Ryan ticket. America is sick of the socialist leadership and the Pelosi/Reid/Liberal crap such as socialized medicine. How anybody could vote for oblahblah knowing how he is destroying America and forcing obamacare on people that don’t want it amazes me. I am happy however to see that the liberal/socialist mindset is is real minority here on bowsite. The number of those folks that clicked disagree is pretty small (even smaller when you remove their multiple posts) That speaks well of this site and huntings future.
Again, well done Pat, lets have more of this discussion on Bowsite. Its important and it allows us to know who the libs are that visit here. Not that they should go away or anything, I think its good to keep a few of them around as an example of what that failed mindset is all about.
Just an FYI, Due to high turnout, the election has been extended into two days, the Conservatives votes on Nov 6 and the other folks vote on Nov 7. Spread the word. ;-)
Just for my 2 cents, i think everyone should be required to have a name tag that states how much income tax they paid last year. NOT percent, but the actual amount. If they got back more than they paid, it should be on there also. THen we will see who pays their fare share. Catfish, could you walk up to someone like Romney and say " you didnt pay enough". I wonder how the occupiers would fare?
I agree.. Cant say it any better than toolguy68. Or K en Moody. This country better wake the ---- up....I no this is bowsite. But our President now. Will take our guns away. He will use the U.N to do it.
I have a simple fix to these problems. A simple constitutional amendment changing the voting laws. TO EARN THE RIGHT TO VOTE YOU MUST PAY FEDERAL TAXES UNLESS YOU ARE EITHER SERVING IN THE AMERICAN ARMED FORCES OR A VETERAN OF THEM. This simple amendment would solve a whole lot of problems. By the way I think it looks like Romney/Ryan are coming on strong.
I should have said that I disagree that any VP candidate who happens to hunt will have ANY impact on *my* (or my kids) ability to hunt. What is more concerning for me would be the sale/loss of current public land (habitat) or allowing any kind of development on public land without regard to the wildlife/hunting impact.
Any other concerns about either candidate or party should NOT be on a bowhunting forum! (I know this is Pat's site, but what is good for the goose should be good for the gander!)
(It is always amazing to me how much HATE the topics of politics and religion bring out...)
I love it when Crapshooter, 'Fishy and others get in a hissy fit now that their man O'bummer is losing ground....4 years of ineptness and now the unknown community organizing liberal from Chitcago is showing his true colors....we warned the public in 2007/08 how the 'one" would be, and now the truth be shown and he cant run from it....
you people that support Obama are crazy if you think he is concerned about your interests or RIGHTS more than a Republican. In this day and age there is no place for unions and we need people in the White House who will help our national security not tear it down as Obama has.
It's About Liberty, and You're Not Stupid Dave Carter · November 3, 2012 at 9:49pm
In a letter to Edmund Penndleton in 1792, James Madison anticipated Barack Obama's fundamental transformation of America, correctly identifying it for what it really is:
"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America."
The systematic violation of Constitutional limits on federal power is neither hope nor change, but rather the subversion of American law and a declaration of war on the individual citizen. To say,as the President of the United States did of Congress, a little over a year ago that, "Where they won't act, I will," is to announce the seizure of legislative power and the brazen violation of his own oath of office. From unilaterally violating federal immigration law, to defying a court order to resume oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, to illegally taking upon himself the power to declare Congress in recess, to commanding private citizens to enter into contracts against their will, to reaching into federal welfare reform law and removing requirements he found objectionable, he has undertaken intrusions into the private lives of a free people that make George III look like an amateur.
His government prescribes the content of our food, and the size and type of plumbing in our toilets and showers. They dictate what we can and cannot do with a puddle of water on our property, and even presume to intrude into our healthcare and thus into matters of our life and death. They swallow up private businesses under the guise of helping them, and distribute the bounty to cronies and union bosses. They choose which industries to favor (solar) and which to disfavor (coal), with the predictable result being that both fail. All this and more will be yours, your children's and your grandchildren's, for the bargain basement price of a mere $16,000,000,000,000.00 (before interest), along with enough regulations to sink the Queen Mary.
And when I say "all this and more," I'm not just whistling Dixie or old Barbara Streisand songs. Because the National Federation of Independent Businesses estimates that there are over $515,000,000,000 in shiny new regulations waiting in the wings until after the election; regulations ranging from fresh assaults on the coal industry to Labor Department rules that will increase the cost of retirement planning, to Department of Transportation requirements for rear view cameras and airplane-style "black boxes" in cars and trucks. These are just estimates, of course, because the President is yet again violating federal law that requires him to submit his regulatory agenda to Congress. Even Bill Clinton had the sense to follow the law in this regard, but not Barack Obama, the most transparent president in history. Wouldn't want to spoil the surprise before the election now, would we?
And what do we get in return for the progressive's bloated, benighted, birdbrained, and buffoonish bureaucracy? Look no further than that great laboratory and breeding ground of American liberalism, the American Northeast, where millions have acquired a docility and servitude toward, and dependence upon, omnipotent government. For generations, they've reliably voted for the most paternalistic sounding politicians this side of the Kremlin and, now that disaster has struck, they learn that daddy government is a deadbeat. Those who thought it was someone else's responsibility to take care of them are now unable to take care of themselves.
People who mocked Mitt Romney for collecting canned goods and useful items when the Red Cross asked for money are now incredulous that the Red Cross hands out cookies and hot chocolate instead of real food and blankets. In the meantime, hurricane victims forage for food from dumpsters. People who can find no place to bathe or use the bathroom now relieve themselves in hallways. (Side Note: Welcome to the world of the trucker in the northeast, where facilities for semi drivers are rare, we are not allowed to idle our trucks to stay warm in the winter, and life on the road becomes an animalistic existence. Stinks, doesn't it?) Tempers are rising, as are the waiting lines for fuel.
For their part, liberal politicians promise to remove those government obstacles that slow or prohibit relief, thereby conceding the conservative argument for smaller government and begging the question of why those obstacles were there in the first place. The answer, of course, is that it keeps the politicians employed and the people dependent. But when it all unravels and the folly is exposed, it is the individual citizen who bears the brunt of the calamity, while the politician boards his aircraft and retreats into the sunset. The region's essential nature remains unchanged, however, as work crews from other parts of the country make the unenviable trek north to offer assistance only to be turned away because they are non-union workers. Anyone who votes for that sort of madness deserves what they get. Good King Barack
The question is, does the rest of the country deserve it? And what are we to make of a President who sees no moral prohibition against forcibly seizing whatever portion of an individual's property he views as necessary to finance his utopian projects; who routinely violates the law and yet expects the rest of us to abide by the volumes of laws and rules his leviathan administration hurls in our direction; who spends more time on the golf course than in intelligence briefings; who has taken more vacations in one term than many of us take in a lifetime; and who rails against "fat cats" while taking his family on lavish trips in separate jets at our expense? Are we actually to believe that he relates to us? What are we to make of a Commander-in-Chief who tells victims of the hurricane that we leave no one behind, when he very specifically abandoned Americans under terrorist attack in Benghazi and refuses to tell the truth about it? Answer: That he is perhaps the worst Commander-in-Chief in American history.
And how does Barack Obama answer? By playing adolescent word games with his opponent's last name, and describing such ideas as are contained in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as, "the failed policies of the past." Somewhere, a third rate banana republic is missing its dictator. Meanwhile, Special Assistant to the President Benny Johnson raises his party's dialogue by saying, "Let's win this mother [expletive]"; the reverend who gave the benediction at President Obama's inauguration reconsiders his position and decides that all white people are indeed going to hell; and Ambassador of Liberal Tolerance Bill Maher warns Americans that, "Black people know who you are and they will come after you." Thus do progressives who fashion themselves as the smartest in the room continue to vulgarize the discourse and debase the culture.
This election, certainly the most significant in our lifetime, is not about "revenge," as the President so boorishly announced, nor is it about moronic thugs holding their pants up long enough to threaten riots. It's about 9,000 coal mining jobs lost in the last month alone. It's about 48 million people on food stamps, and 23 million people unemployed. It's about a work force that is smaller now than when Barack Obama was inaugurated. It's about a 14.3 percent unemployment rate in the black community. It's about a new IRS requirement that will take effect in 2014, requiring all taxpayers, in the words of sworn testimony, to, "… file their tax returns reporting their health insurance coverage, and/or making a payment." It's about the evisceration of our national defense and, in the aftermath of the Benghazi attack, troops who no longer trust their Commander-in-Chief.
It is ultimately a referendum on us, and it's about what kind of country our children and grandchildren will inherit. It's about whether they will be free men and women -- freedom here being defined differently than the progressive's definition, which stipulates that one must be freed from want or fear through the dictates of centralized planners. History, however, shows that the only path to liberation from want or fear is the path of individual sovereignty. Those in the Northeast who chose the liberal path now go hungry, and cold, and fearful, while their government masters flail about, desperately seeking to free the private sector from the onerous rules and obstacles that they imposed.
We see now what the Founders knew over two centuries ago; that free people and free markets are the surest means to freedom from want and fear, and that centralized government control over a nation is the surest path to despair, want, fear, and servitude. It's about Liberty. It's about We the People, endowed with unalienable rights, being the masters of our lives and our government instead of the other way around. It's time to reclaim the American ideal.
I am an independant conservative who will vote Republican . Not because Ryan is a babe. LOl < It really goes against my homophobic self to even read that./ But because He and Romney constitute a team that may be able to balance the budget, cut the deficit and set this nation back on a capitalistic course which I believe holds the American dream. It honestly sets my teeth on edge to read the caption to this thread Pat. Maybe you are accepting of homosexuals but a lot of us are not. I have not honestly ever met one that I could stomach being around. This thread has many things which I agree upon and many I do not agree upon. Therefore disagree is the answer/.
For one I do not believe it to be good stewardship to give or cheaply lease our puplic land and definately not to privatize it by pandering to huge corporates and mining and oil interests who lock it up for their on private usage. Ryan does not see it that way.
Like I said I will vote against Obama and that is the sum of it/ I'm not excited about Ryan being a bowhunter anymore than I am Obummer being a (Whatever) except that Ryan is genuine and Obummer is something else/ God bless, Steve
Ryan is a great guy, would make a better president than Romney. I really like him. With that said, on the morning he was announced, I wrote a long letter to several media outlets explaining how Romney's choice of Ryan will cost the Republicans the election. Well, I TOLD YOU SO. Rubio would have delivered Florida. Rubio would have delivered much more non-Cuban Hispanic votes(Cuban-Americans already vote Republican because they are fearful of socialism.) Lastly, Rubio would have delivered more women. Just the way it is, we have a very ignorant electorate, and unfortunately you must use strategy when making VP choices not just principles any more. Maybe after four more years of suffering, the majority of America will finally come around in 2016 and deliver candidates that can acutally win elections and save what is left of this great country.
Republicans are going to have to rethink their policies, their strategy, and their positions.
America is changing. It's now not a majority white country anymore, and it's not a majority conservative OR democrat country. The independents have it, and the independents clearly spoke--they/we don't want to coddle millionaires and give them big tax breaks while the middle class is plundered by corporations.
If you feel a sermon coming on, save it. Corporations are not people, and while they do create jobs, they don't deserve to be worshipped.
A lot of commenters on this thread would do well to go back & read the bible, especially the parts where Jesus talks about helping the poor, paying taxes, and not being arrogant.
I voted for Ron Paul, but barring Dr. Paul in the WH, this is the best possible outcome. The people have spoken.
The campaign brought out the fact that this guy rarely tells the truth but his so called expert budget knowledge is as phony as his marathon claim and the closing of the plant in his home town. He railed against the stimulus as not capable of creating jobs but requested the funds because it create jobs.
Hopefully someone actually saw him hunt free roaming deer and not high fence shooting in a barrel.