Couple years ago I trained myself to shoot with only a kisser and looked at my sight on the opposite side of the string when at full draw, this solved the problem. But my arrow groups at 40+ yards were not as good without a peep. Went back to a peep.
I shot my buddies hoyt Element and you can see the entire sight reticle and them some. Allowing you to completely center the sight reticle with your peep. Forgot how nice that was after shooting a mathews for 5 years.
I know other mathews shooters have the same problem. Any solutions out there for this problem? Or do I need to go get a Hoyt.
Hand torque, 95% guaranteed. The other 5% wold have to do with center shot and checking for contact.
For lack of a better explanation, your arrow is pointing to the right so you have moved the sight to the right to get the arrow, sight, and target all in the same plane.
The Z7 may have a small center shot. The C4 and some of the others I have seen and shot will be real close to 13/16 from the sight window.
It's the most likely of several possible causes and is extremely easy, quick and cheap to test for.
Don't think that it can't be that because you're getting great groups and good scores. Hand torque can be repeated with great consistency and your groups can be terrific even with a lot of it involved in your shot.
Check for it by eliminating he friction between your skin and the riser. That can be done by wearing a thin and very low-friction glove like silk or the mesh ones that are meant for hot weather camo, or you can do it the quicker and even more sure-fire way that is a little messy, by applying a good lubricant to the grip or to your bow hand.
WD-40 will do, a good arrow lube like Woody's will be even better. Then just shoot as normally as possible.
If your groups with the lubed hand are hitting in a different place than they were with normal skin contact, you have been torquing the bow without realizing it.
It's very easy to get to that point without knowing it. I was shooting my best 3D scores ever one summer and was doing well in my class at a big shoot, when I accidentally got some Woody's lube on my hand while pulling arrows, and my arrows suddenly began hitting about eight inches left at 30 yards, pretty consistently.
Took a couple targets to realize what the problem was, as my shooting still felt quite normal.
Much handwiping and riser wiping with a towel finally brought the groups back on center, to finish that shoot. Took a bit of retraining to fix the problem correctly by getting the bow hand/wrist directly in line with the target again.
No a smaller recicle does not help, I shot a smaller one in league this winter and had the same problem. The bow center shot is perfect as you can see in the picture.
Hand torque is not an issue. I feel the issue is the design of the bows riser. The bow does not "branch out" enough in the center to allow for the sight.
Whenever this bow is in percect alignment is covers the sight. I know other mathews shooters have the same problem. Is there an offset peep sight manufactured to allow you to look around the string as opposed to through it?
That housing is really big to be able to fit 7 pins in it,look at the second picture deffinetly the way the sight is designed;)
decided to take a couple pics of my Matthews bow(s) because as soon as I read your post, I knew exactly what you were talking about.
First couple pics are a Mathews Drenalin LD set up for for release shooting, has a Trophy Taker Smackdown rest. The sight is a MBG Solaris.
pic taken from back of bow ( LH bow)
BTW- the bow IS straight up and down on the vertical, even though the sight bubble goes a little to the side. I checked it out and plumbed it and the bubble on this bow is a little bit off from vertical. So I know that is the case when I shoot.
Sight is a MBG Rush. Which has a little bit smaller sight housing than the solaris. And even though same basic issue of not being able to see the full sight ring, it is a little bit less with this sight.
Just make sure your anchor, peep/string alignment is consistently the same and you will be fine. Even if you are trying to get your sight lined up within your peep- it still works on the horizontal and vertical even if the inner 1/5 or even if 1/4 is not in view. As long as it is a consistent picture for you- it will make no difference. You can still center the pins within that alignment.
