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Ike, along with a few other Bowsite's will be hunting Pronghorns in Wyoming this fall and I think he wants to better be able to judge a buck when he sees it.

So I will post a photo or two every couple of days, and I would like to see those of you who will, to join in and give your idea of whither or not the photos of the bucks I post, will make P and Y, and if any of you want to go a step farther, then go ahead and guess its P and Y score.

So Ike this threads for you.

We will start out with this buck. I have seen him for the past three years. He really is much heavier than he looks, although he's not a big buck, he is the toughest buck in the area, running far bigger bucks off. He is one fighter and one lady's man. I call him the Warrior!

Is he a P and Y buck or not?

Both photos are of the same buck. After a day or two of guessing, I will share a photo that I think might be this bucks dad. And you can then guess on that buck.

Help Ike out and please participate if you will. Thanks in advance!!

Have a great bow hunt. BB

Tim

I learned that antelope shrinkage is approx. 6-8%. Therefore in order to qualify for book a buck is going to have to green score 71-72" to minimum qualify.

Thanks Bill.

See my link if ya want to print out a score sheet for each of these Photo's coming along in the next few days.

On this Pic #-1

My guess is 63 P&Y.

Good luck, Robb

Probably won't make book, but nice looking goat. Very symmetrical with the classic heart shape.

But what I can tell you about this buck, is that is one tough critter. He demands respect from all the bucks in the area. They know him well and they understand enough to take off when he heads their way. I have watched him run many a buck whose horns were much larger. He reminds me of the little guy that can whip up on most of the big, tough guys. But once they try a guy iike that, they learn quickly to steer clear. And that is exactly what is happening in the area he roams.

To me he is a symbol of a Warrior, and thus his nickname.

And thanks to all of you for playing and following along!

Most antelope are pretty cow shy and won't come near the water with cows around. Not so the Warrior!

I might just be dreaming, so it will be interesting to see what you guys think about this next antelope I will post that I think might be his dad!

Every so often I see a buck that I think was fathered by another buck I have seen. It doesn't happen often, and of course its only a wild guess and I know that. But I know the Warrior has speed his genes around the area and I am sure his dad played a big part in how he looks and acts.

I know my son's wife always says, "Your son is you!"

I hunt goats in Western Kansas and have shot two in fourteen years (rather scarce and wary) and I know if he gave me an opportunity he would be on the wall for sure.

I did a European mount on my last buck and I think that type of mount for some reason really compliments goats!

Always a pleasure reading your posts,

Nick

The reason I think he would make P and Y is that he is much heavier than he really looks. A couple years ago my son shot his buck at my urging, knowing he didn't have great prongs, but I glassed him a lot and told him his horns were stumps. And they was round like a tree trunk rather than the normal shape (thinner in one direction and wider in the other, if that makes sense.

We look at length and the cutter (prong) and make our decision to harvest or not.

Buck Pic #2 coming today Bill?

Hope your healing up well.

Good luck, Robb

And from now on I will try to number each buck so if anyone joins in later and wants to play they can refer to a number buck for the statement they want to make and that way we will all know to which buck they are referring to. So the buck previous to this is buck 1.

Here's buck 2. I kind of think he could be buck 1's dad. Who else sees the resemblance? And do you think this buck is PandY ?

I took these photos during the summer of 2009. I did not draw a permit that year, and haven't seen him since. These photos were taken within 100 yards of where I took buck 1's photos.

Here's buck 2. Is he bucks one dad? Is he P and Y?

Here's one final one of this buck, (horn wise) looking straight on.

Length: 12 D1: 7 D2: 6.75 D3: 3.25 D4: 2.5 Prong: 4

Assuming both sides pretty equal x2 =

Total: 71"

Some deduction but not huge, 69-70" range? After drying might be right at the line?

Buck #2--the Daddy Buck--kissing 70.

Sooooo 69 + P&Y.

Good luck, Robb

I shot a 14.5" goat in WY last Oct that we taped ourselves - no official measurement or anything that came out to 76 and change and this one looks bigger at least by the photo? I have enough of an idea how to score a goat that I assume we were within an inch or two?

That photo was taken three years ago, and the day I shot it, I shot all the photos in RAW. The two I posted above, were converted to Jpg images at that time on my old computer. Today when I went back to the original photos, I tried to convert the RAW images to Jpg, but for some reason I had no option but tiff and other other formats I can't post.

But the photo I wanted to post, was of this buck walking away on a sharp quartering angle and it shows its mass and height better those I posted. He really was a nice buck.

And even the first buck I posted, I think will go P and Y because of his mass. He really isn't that high, but he has pretty fair prongs and very good mass. And mass really counts in critters whose horns aren't that long in comparison to critters whose length is 4-6 times as long, as antelope, as are the main beam of elk and deer, etc.

For many years the Utah State Archery Pronghorn was only 12" high. And another thing one has to keep in mind, is the fact that when a bucks horns, curve a lot on top, they don't look that high, but measure better than many imagine. On the contrary, a buck which has little curve on top looks very high, but usually measures shorter than one thinks.

Those are just a few things to remember when judging antelope.

Hopefully, we have enough interest on this thread, that it can run long enough, that I can post a few bucks, I have photos of alive, but later were taken, and so we really know about what they scored on the ground. Most of this will be a guess, but there are a few, I can show that we got measure too.

I know over the past few years I have posted lots of antelope photos and I am sure many are tired of seeing them and to those I apologize.

I will put him right @ 74 P&Y.

Good cutters and good length with his heart shape curl-in.....above average mass.

Good luck, Robb

This is another buck I have kind of watched grow up. Here he is 3 years ago.

Here's one of him during the summer of 2010.

And here are a couple of him last year. My son and his friend Jon have nicknamed this buck "Pitchfork"!

When you see this buck coming at you, from a long distance, in your bins, he looks pretty dang good, but when he gets close, you can see why he won't' every score very well. I am surprised some rifle hunter hasn't knocked him off from a long distance, as he looks pretty high. Nonetheless he's a good looking buck on the hoof!

Here's another shot of Pitchfork running just after my camera shutter scared him.

I hunted bears for many years and when ask "How do you know when its a big bear", I would always say, if you are wondering if its big, its not that big, cause when you see a big one, you will know it.

Antelope are hard to judge too, but in a way the same can be said for antelope. When you see a really good one, you will know it.

Today's buck is one of those which is kind of a no brainer. It was on the ground, less than a month after this photo was taken. So I ask those interested, first if you would shoot it, and second, what do you think it would score.

And since I know most of you would shoot this buck, I have placed a dot in a great place to hit. Antelope move fast, so don't shoot back, as they move forward, the instance they hear the bow, Sound travels faster than your arrow, even though your close, if you aim behind the crease, you are likely to gut shoot this animal, as they can react much faster than most animals.

Tomorrow, after some of you guess a score, I will tell you quite a story about this buck.

Or is he 80ish I don't know?

Haaaa, yup...Not a score guy, I go more on the personality and character of an animal...I see, I like, I shoot...Just makes it easier! LoL!

I missed him at about 12 yards.

He was taken in early Sept. by a young boy on the second day of the rifle hunt. The kid sat in the same blind, where I missed him and he came in and he took him one afternoon. He was 82 and some change.

Here's one that was taken by Turk a couple years back. I took this photograph the year previous to the year that Turk took this buck. What do you think he scores?

Here's Turk with his 2010 buck.

Oh and yes, first morning of the first day that goat would get shot, rifle or bow anyplace except maybe Limited Draw tag that took me years to draw.

Scott shot his buck and dropped on the spot and ended up being all covered with mud. The place where he shot his buck is called the wallow, and that's exactly how his buck looked before we cleaned it up. I do remember his buck was just at 75.

With that said, here's a few photos of the buck I shot last year just before I shot him. My buddy Shane and I green scored him the day I shot him. What do you think he greened?

These are the only two photos I have, as I put my camera down and picked up my bow to fill my tag. I know they aren't the best to judge from, but what's your guess. I will add a couple trophy photos to give you a little better idea.

Here's a buck that I almost shot last year, but decided to pass him up. I just took a couple photos of him. Later in the hunt, Shane's son Dallas shot him, so I know pretty close to what he scored.

What would this buck score?

I just received an email from Turk today that told me his buck, after drying grossed 75-7/8 and netted 74-4/8.

Here's another photo of Scott and his 2010 opening morning buck!

Just remember mass means much more than height when it comes to score. Height, many times, means much more to looks than mass.

Heres a buck my son shot two years ago. He has lots of mass but not great prongs and he also had pretty good length. But notice the highest horn was the shortest. The other one had more curve and thus more length.

Sometime its pretty easy to be fooled in thinking a buck is not that high, when in fact it can have much longer horns if he curves a lot, VS. going straight up.

Do you have any bucks that DID NOT make P&Y to compare?

I am pretty sure I am going antelope hunting this year.

BB your posts are my favorite on any hunting site.