Holy smokes....that is one HECK of a Shiras bull!!
Those are bulls I photographed this fall.
Have a great bow hunt. BB
Those are outrageous photos!!
BB, those pictures are incredible. The first and fourth are my favorites.
Scoring is more subjective than many realize. More so on some species than others. The largest discrepancy was the length of the shorter palm. First you have to determine a line that best represents the edge of the palm. Since they're not straight - enter the first interpretation. Then you have to find the length (from a dip between points on the top, to a dip between points on the brow) that is closest to parallel with the first line. If two lengths are equally parallel, they should use the longest measurement. Another place for interpretation.
The original scorer is one of the most experienced P&Y measurers and actually participated in the panel scoring last year, as well as in the past. As the original scorer, he couldn't participate in panel scoring that animal. The panel evidently didn't agree with where he took the measurement. I say evidently, because P&Y doesn't explain why they chose what they did, they just give you another score sheet.
The bull was also scored by the B&C panel last year as one of the biggest B&C entries for their 3 year recording period. They agreed with the original score.
Also, the #1 CO bull that was killed in '11 went from 185 3/8 to 179 5/8 in P&Y. It is listed in B&C with the original score also. It remained the #1 CO bull while mine went from #2 to #3.
I don't really care what the numbers are. It is a tremendous bull and I am thrilled to have taken him. But, and this is a huge BUT, the two organizations should come up with some consensus on scores when this happens. It is ridiculous and confusing when two organizations, using the exact same methodology, and often some of the same measurers, come up with completely different scores. It doesn't give anyone much confidence in the system.
Those are awesome looking Shiras bulls!! Congrats to both of you!!
Congratulations to all , and thanks for sharing !!!
Gross: 169 5/8" Net: 163 3/8" Width: 53 5/8" (Green 54")
Sandbrew
Negative...I didn't see or hear about it. Post pics if you've go them.
-DR
This one makes B&C Awards at 148 0/8 he is gross 153 6/8 but misses All Time by just a few inches.
Before the hunt I told myself I was looking for a 10x10 moose with split brows during my hunt. For B&C split front brows is almost a must! I also knew I wanted a bull 40 inches or better wide. He is 47 inches wide so it passes the 40 inch "that's a good bull" rule of thumb.
Based on my reasearch most 10x10 and split brows would would be a mature bull 5+ years old and get me a score at or above the B&C min of 140.
During my scouting and hunting I looked first at the fronts for split brows. There are lots of bulls out there without splits so be careful and look for both splits if that's what you want. I then looked at the total # of points. Keep in mind length of each point is NOT a scored feature so a point 2 inches long scores the same as the 10 inch point.
I worried very little about overall spread. I also felt palm length and palm spread seemed like secondary concerns if the 10x10 and split brow was present.
Some observation on my bulls score - He lacks plam width since he only 6 4/8 and 7 6/8.
His plam length is good on one side 33 4/8 but a little short on the other 29 0/8
Right before I shot (at 23 yards) I realized I was looking at good bull and his 8x10 points seemed like a reasonable sacrifice for a bull I felt was wider than 40 inches so I let the arrow fly.
Sandbrew
Utah used to have some great bulls too, but even here, things have really dropped off, with more permits issued and far few moose in general, than there used to be.
Here's a couple velvet bulls whose photo I took last summer.
Have a great bow hunt, and congrats to each and everyone who posted their bulls on this thread. They are some mighty fine sharias bulls. BB
