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Contributors to this thread:
Nick Muche 31-Jul-13
Bill Obeid 31-Jul-13
elkmtngear 31-Jul-13
Lucas 31-Jul-13
Fulldraw1972 31-Jul-13
LBshooter 31-Jul-13
R. Hale 31-Jul-13
Charlie Rehor 31-Jul-13
LBshooter 31-Jul-13
Mathews Man 31-Jul-13
Fuzzy 31-Jul-13
LWood 31-Jul-13
Russell 31-Jul-13
Medicinemann 31-Jul-13
Julius K 31-Jul-13
loesshillsarcher 31-Jul-13
PAstringking 31-Jul-13
midwest 31-Jul-13
kota-man 31-Jul-13
Tony 31-Jul-13
BULELK1 31-Jul-13
Heat 31-Jul-13
Bigpizzaman 31-Jul-13
Ace 31-Jul-13
Monmouth533 31-Jul-13
loesshillsarcher 31-Jul-13
loesshillsarcher 31-Jul-13
OleThumper 31-Jul-13
Medicinemann 31-Jul-13
Medicinemann 31-Jul-13
Bowfreak 31-Jul-13
Straight Shooter 31-Jul-13
Stekewood 31-Jul-13
loesshillsarcher 31-Jul-13
midwest 31-Jul-13
CurveBow 31-Jul-13
loesshillsarcher 31-Jul-13
wild1 31-Jul-13
loesshillsarcher 31-Jul-13
Medicinemann 31-Jul-13
Bou'bound 31-Jul-13
TD 31-Jul-13
Bowboy 31-Jul-13
Bigpizzaman 31-Jul-13
Eric B. 31-Jul-13
INbowdude 31-Jul-13
kellyharris 31-Jul-13
Bigpizzaman 01-Aug-13
edge1771 01-Aug-13
Rick M 01-Aug-13
boothill 01-Aug-13
Medicinemann 01-Aug-13
mark land 01-Aug-13
JM 01-Aug-13
bliz6 01-Aug-13
BEA 01-Aug-13
loesshillsarcher 01-Aug-13
Mark Watkins 01-Aug-13
Medicinemann 01-Aug-13
TD 01-Aug-13
JM 01-Aug-13
Florida Mike 01-Aug-13
Bigpizzaman 02-Aug-13
Bigpizzaman 02-Aug-13
Medicinemann 02-Aug-13
Bigpizzaman 02-Aug-13
MBMule 02-Aug-13
TurkeyBowMaster 03-Aug-13
mnbowhunter 03-Aug-13
Ole Coyote 11-Aug-13
TREESTANDWOLF 11-Aug-13
W.P. Archer 19-Aug-13
ORARCHER 20-Aug-13
Rob Nye 26-Aug-13
Buffalo1 22-Nov-13
Medicinemann 22-Nov-13
drycreek 24-Nov-13
W.P. Archer 25-Nov-13
TradbowBob 25-Nov-13
loesshillsarcher 25-Nov-13
Dennis Razza 26-Nov-13
From: Nick Muche
31-Jul-13
Awesome, best of luck to both of you!

From: Bill Obeid
31-Jul-13
Good Luck guys !

Jealous beyond belief !

Life is what you make it . And you guys just made it WONDERFUL. Best wishes

From: elkmtngear
31-Jul-13

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A big Congrats to you and Jake, Pat!

Time to start building up those bow muscles ;)

Best of Luck, Jeff (Bowsite Sponsor)

From: Lucas
31-Jul-13
Best of luck!

From: Fulldraw1972
31-Jul-13
That's awesome Good luck to both of you. can't wait to hear about this great adventure.

From: LBshooter
31-Jul-13
Nice, good luck and the term "shoot straight" is most appropriate in this situation lol.

From: R. Hale
31-Jul-13
Pat,

Congratulations, you will love it. Great area. Last of the best. My elephant hunts were over 20 years ago and still among the most vivid memories of my life. Have a great trip.

Richard

31-Jul-13
Pat: Jake has a pretty big stride so I would work on quick sprints. If you can get out before him the Elephant will surely go for the big guy:)

From: LBshooter
31-Jul-13
Forgot to ask, what is going to be your set up?

From: Mathews Man
31-Jul-13
I hope you both have the trip of a lifetime! We are excited to follow your adventure.

From: Fuzzy
31-Jul-13
Pat, give up any hope of keeping Jake out of "Apocalypto mode" (unless Nancy is along to help) I envy you this opportunity my friend..

From: LWood
31-Jul-13
Very nice. Congrats guys.

From: Russell
31-Jul-13
Good luck on the hunt. Looking forward to reading about your setup.

I sparked an interest in hunting that country too, for buffalo.

Russell

31-Jul-13
Good news Pat...looks like that Big 5 is right in your sights! Can't wait for that live hunt feature!

From: Medicinemann
31-Jul-13
If I have said it once, I have said it a thousand times......I AM a lucky (and thankful) guy!!

I have a friend (Bob Miller) that practically shattered a knee on his elephant bowhunt....and he eventually got his elephant, but had to use a rifle.....I know that he will be there in spirit with me.....

But, having talked with people that have done polar bear bowhunts, Wood Bison bowhunts, and brown bear bowhunts (as well as elephant bowhunts); when I mention elephant....the bears drop from an adrenalin factor of 9+ to about a 3-4, I realize that THIS will probably be my most dangerous bowhunt.....

It is going to be an awesome experience......and if we can capture ANY of it on video, it will only allow it to be even MORE memorable!! The camp banter with Fearless LeFemine will be off the charts great, but there is something to be said for traveling with a trusted hunting buddy...especially since this is my first trip to the "dark continent".

To this day, I STILL don't know what I ever did to deserve all of this, but I'll take it!! LOL!!

From: Julius K
31-Jul-13
Awesome, have fun!

31-Jul-13
Jake had better increase the poundage on his draw weight.

From: PAstringking
31-Jul-13
Going to be an incredible experience!! Good luck to you both

From: midwest
31-Jul-13
Wow! What are the hunt dates?

From: kota-man
31-Jul-13
Fantastic...I would've jumped ALL OVER this hunt had it not be for latest sheep obsession. I've hunted with Ken 3 times and have had some great hunts. One of those hunts included being a "back up" gunner to an elephant hunt. The rush was amazing with a rifle, I can't imagine what it will be like with bow. It WILL be an adventure. Can't wait to follow this one...Good Luck.

From: Tony
31-Jul-13
WOW that should be exciting! Y'all have fun and don't turn into that greasy stuff between the elephants toes.

From: BULELK1
31-Jul-13
Good for you and Jake---Pat!

Excited to read the semi-live feed when ya get it going.

Good luck, Robb

From: Heat
31-Jul-13
Right on! Good luck fellas!

From: Bigpizzaman
31-Jul-13
Going to be an EPIC adventure, hope to hear the stories around the campfire soon!!

From: Ace
31-Jul-13
Awesome news guys! Very happy for you both.

The Bowsite faithful are looking forward to following along.

When are you going ?

From: Monmouth533
31-Jul-13
Alls I can say is I want to be like Pat when I grow up.

31-Jul-13
Hope nobody starts a Pat vs Jake thread.

31-Jul-13
Wonder whom is going to pack around the golden elephant shoe. May have trouble getting it through customs. Excited for you guys.

31-Jul-13
64Indian64, Pat using a decoy, now that's funny!

I wonder if you can wear bells to let the elephants hear you coming like when your in bear country? ;>)))

Ole thumper

From: Medicinemann
31-Jul-13
I know that a 27 year old PH was killed in Africa earlier this year by an elephant. Still trying to find the details, to see exactly what happened. If anybody has the specifics, I would like to read about them.....

Ole Thumper,

I don't know about bells.....I was going to wear slippers with mice on them....LOL!!

From: Medicinemann
31-Jul-13
50% of the thrill of these adventures is the anticipation, isn't it??!!

From: Bowfreak
31-Jul-13
"To this day, I STILL don't know what I ever did to deserve all of this, but I'll take it!! LOL"

The answer to that is simple. Being smart and working hard.

Congrats to both of you as it truly will be an unbelievable adventure.

31-Jul-13
Pat/Jake- What are the dates of this adventure? Sorry if it was said and I missed it. Can't wait to see the pictures from the hunt, good luck to you both!

DJ

From: Stekewood
31-Jul-13
Gonna be an epic semi live hunt. Can't wait. When are you guys going?

31-Jul-13

loesshillsarcher's embedded Photo
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He wore this in Mexico

From: midwest
31-Jul-13

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FYI....shot placement hasn't changed much since the days of the mastodon.

From: CurveBow
31-Jul-13
Best of luck to both of you!!!!

>>>>===(heavy shaft)=====>

31-Jul-13
I would say that the human mandibles hanging from the first make it a bit less gay.

You guys will have a gay ol' time. Sleep in different huts please.

From: wild1
31-Jul-13

wild1's Link
Jake -

Here you go. You can get a lot more info by googling his name from the article. Best wishes for a safe African adventure.

31-Jul-13
lol

From: Medicinemann
31-Jul-13
Pat,

Where do you FIND this stuff? LMAO!!!

Regarding the SECOND photo, imagine hiking through the mountains of Mexico, tagging along with a Bowsite buddy that is bowhunting for his Desert Bighorn on the Baja peninsula......and you discover a Blue Marlin (or is that a swordfish?) in the middle of the bloody desert, on a mountaintop....sometimes you just can't make this stuff up!!! What a great laugh we had that day!!!

It's all good.....but you can tell that Loesshillsarcher is a dentist......would anyone else have noticed that the decor on that dude's left shoulder is human mandibles?

This journey that we call Life sure is a trip, isn't it!! ....and the hunt is still 10 months away!!

Wild1,

Thanks for the link....

Rancid Crabtree,

Are you KIDDING me?!! I can't stop laughing!!

From: Bou'bound
31-Jul-13
has anyone ever killed an elephant while wearing a beaver hat before?

From: TD
31-Jul-13
Should be fun boys.... pucker factor set at warp 1 Scotty....

Nice tats Jake.... the piercings are bit much though....be tough to find work I'd think.... =D

Keep us up on the plans.... please?

From: Bowboy
31-Jul-13
Good luck Jake and Pat. Are guys doing a semi live hunt on Bowsite?

From: Bigpizzaman
31-Jul-13
Jake,

One word of caution.................don't wear that damn leafy suit, if the Elephants come unglued like horses...................well it won't end well!!

From: Eric B.
31-Jul-13
The ultimate test for the rage...

From: INbowdude
31-Jul-13
Dang Bou, you beat me to the beaver hat comment. Sounds like a blast.

From: kellyharris
31-Jul-13
Jake,

Great talking to you yesterday! So glad for you and Pat on this hunt!

I think Pat should sport that porn mustache on another thread for this hunt! :0)

Morgan is looking forward to seeing your game room Labor Day weekend!

It's a shame all of us have to wait 11 months for this hunt to happen!!!

See you in a few weeks,

Kelly

From: Bigpizzaman
01-Aug-13

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Bring your favorite "spice blend" for this, not to be missed! If you don't have I will ship one up, spice that is!

From: edge1771
01-Aug-13
I too am concerned that Jake's poundage will be a little low for this hunt!

Also, does Rhinehart make an elephant 3D target??

But seriously, congrats guys. That's awesome. I can't wait to hear the stories.

From: Rick M
01-Aug-13
Edge, I was thinking the same thing! I bet that a life size elephant target in front of the house will get some attention:)

Jake and Pat, god luck and safe hunting.

Rick

From: boothill
01-Aug-13
Yes actually if you go to a Rinehart 100 website they show a picture of a full size elephant target. Wonder what the shipping fee for that thing would be?

From: Medicinemann
01-Aug-13
I have occasionally visited zoos, and when I thought that people weren't watching, drawn an "imaginary" bow (like playing an air guitar)at some of the elephants. I still can't believe that this is going to happen....cool stuff.

I have heard that a mature bull elephant is 10' to 12" tall.....but how long are they...14'? 16'? I believe that a mature bull is in the 6 ton range.

I also heard that hippo sweat is red.....honestly.

From: mark land
01-Aug-13
Good luck Pat and Jake, be safe and have a great experience and will look forward to the reports to follow!

From: JM
01-Aug-13
Congratulations Pat and Jake!!

I always thought that an elephant hunt was the ultimate bowhunting adventure. I am looking forward to seeing what gear you guys put together for the hunt (Bows, arrows, broadheads).

John

From: bliz6
01-Aug-13
Good luck and be safe. Can't wait for the story!

From: BEA
01-Aug-13
One word... epic!

01-Aug-13
I can see Jake practicing with that target, a mannequin set up behind him with a big bore rifle poised and ready, while Nancy releases a box full of snakes at his feet(with Pat's mamba obsession and all).

From: Mark Watkins
01-Aug-13
"The Pat and Jake Show"....African style! Love it! Is this a great world we live in or what?

Jake, you thinking of packing this one (similiar to your sheep hunt) back to camp? LOL!

Look forward to following this adventure!

Mark

From: Medicinemann
01-Aug-13
JM,

I haven't seen you on Bowsite in AGES. Glad to hear from you!!

Mark,

Do you realize that even if I packed 200 pounds per trip, it would take 60 trips....LOL!!!!

From: TD
01-Aug-13
I'd go gutless and debone.....

From: JM
01-Aug-13
Jake,

Glad to be back, work has been so busy that I have hardly been able to get on the bowsite for most of the year. Ned,

I think you hit the nail on the head : ) John

From: Florida Mike
01-Aug-13
Ok first of all, I'll pay $100. for a pic of Jake going "tribal"! You know he's gonna try to have the "complete" native experience... Keep your camera ready Pat.

Second, Jake should start working out now so he can increase his poundage!

Pat if ANOTHER BLACK MAMBA gets after you will you will Bowsite to me? LOL

Jake be careful around Pat; he attracts Black Mambas...

Can't wait for pics! Mike

From: Bigpizzaman
02-Aug-13

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Jake/Pat,

Here's my arrow set-up. We used an Easton XX75 2215 and inserted an Easton 2117 (best I can remember),used a little glue, making a double wall Aluminum arrow. Ashby Head, 4" vanes w/dayglo wrap and a lighted nock. No weight tubes, sand or brass inserts were needed. Arrow is 29" long. I told Jake I was about 1200gr but looking back at my notes we were just under 1100gr.

Arrows flew like darts and hit hard. I used an Elite GT 500 90# Bow cranked down to 94#.

From: Bigpizzaman
02-Aug-13

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Arrow penetrated fully into the Bull, when we got the arrow back out of the Bull it was in 4 pieces (including head). Broadhead broke at the shank, after fully penetrating, arrow was in 3 pieces, two of which were in the Bull.

The power of a mature Bull is beyond belief, I don't think any arrow could hold up once inside. I will hunt another one and will use this same exact set-up.

Jake you can see the diameter of the shaft is slightly smaller than the broadhead.

From: Medicinemann
02-Aug-13
Tim,

I also have an Elite GT 500, and it also only has 90# limbs. Both of my two Mathews Safari Customs that I have shot religiously over the last twelve years have 100# limbs, but the Kinetic Energy of the GT500 rivals that of the Safari Customs because the GT500 is MUCH newer.

I specifically bought the Elite 500 in case the elephant hunt ever became a reality. Now, I am tempted to take both Safaris with me on the plane, but ship the GT 500 ahead (a month or two in advance), just in case the double bow case gets lost while traveling.....

Did you use malarone as your anti-malarial?....I would like to avoid Larium if at all possible....it has some bizarre side effects.

I was thinking of taking a crow bar.....in case they need to pry me from between the toes!!

From: Bigpizzaman
02-Aug-13
The GT is a GREAT shooting bow, my choice would be that!

First trip over I used Larium and had a "bad trip"! So last time I used nothing, it was very cool and I never saw a mosquito, but I wouldn't recommend that.

Natives are VERY resourceful, they will pick you out of his toes any way they can.

From: MBMule
02-Aug-13
Medicinemann, I just used malarone on a trip to South Africa with no side effects.

I don't have any experience with dangerous game, but from my experience with the Ashby head, I wouldn't use it on elephant. The ferrule doesn't extend very far into the head and I had several break or bend on shots that shouldn't affect a sturdy broadhead. Look up Antarcher on here and ask him about some of his experiences with the Ashby on the water buffalo in Australia. Not good. I like the VPA for the extra long ferrule. It extends almost all the way to the tip and provides that strength where it counts most: the thinnest point of the broadhead. VPA makes a head up to 300 grains and I believe they also make a custom single bevel version, but don't quote me on that.

A guy you should talk to is Fritz Rabe. He was my PH last week with Melorani Safaris for plains game, but he has a TON of experience with Bowhunting for dangerous game all over Africa. Very intelligent guy. Designed a Frankenbow and got Bowtech to piece it together for him. He calls it The Beast and I think he said it pushes a 1000 grain arrow at 230 fps out of a 90 pound bow.

PM me if you'd like his email address. I'm sure he'd be happy to help. He showed me a custom broadhead and insert design specifically for elephant and buffalo that I believe will be the way of the future for dangerous game with a bow and arrow.

03-Aug-13
Looking forward to your hunt and I hope you can get some great video of the adventure. You guys are living a dream. As far as equipment is concerned, I would consider a longer than normal arrow as it has more frictionless push and will penetrate deeper than a shorter arrow of the same weight. George Mann used a 34 inch arrow tipped with a Simmons Intercepter to push throigh a quartering 400 pound bear shoulder blade and it continued on to sever the femur bone. His arrow weighed around 1000 pushed by a 130 pound bow. The Simmons might be an excellent choice head as it is by far the best penetrating head I have tested.

From: mnbowhunter
03-Aug-13
I can't wait til next summer to hear this. Congrats jake and pat

From: Ole Coyote
11-Aug-13

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Hey Pat I saw this guy the last time I was in Africa hunting elephants hopefully he is mature by now ???

Stay well, hug someone you love today !!

11-Aug-13
Congrats fellas, this adventure / hunt will be epic.

From: W.P. Archer
19-Aug-13
Well done on booking the hunt of a lifetime guys.

I have just returned from Namibia from a hunt and my PH was good friends with the PH who was killed earlier this year. Very sad and very sobering when it comes to what your about to engage in.

I wish you guys all the best. A dream hunt right there...

WPA

From: ORARCHER
20-Aug-13
Haven't been on in a LOOONG time Congrats to both Pat and Jake on setting up a hunt of a lifetime. Best wishes to both of you !!

From: Rob Nye
26-Aug-13
You guys are livin' the dream, good luck on this adventure. Pat: if you do end up as pachyderm toejam can I have your Black Widows, tractor, implements, etc. and a controlling share of Bowsite? A written letter to confirm would be great. Thanks, buddy.

From: Buffalo1
22-Nov-13

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As dedicated Bowsiters we need to show our support to Pat and Jake with their approaching "Great Bowsite Elephant Hunt" hosted by Pat and Jake. This is going to be the "True Crush". I am showing my support by providing a photo to assist with broadside shot placement.

Best of luck to you fellows.

From: Medicinemann
22-Nov-13

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Well, I guess if it itches badly enough, you just HAVE to scratch it!!....but with the roof of a car?....LOL!!

.....and on the topic of proper arrow placement, I have provided Pat with the appropriate model (for those that missed it in the Kansas thread)...

Just booked my plane tickets two days ago .....$1,568.00....a LOT cheaper than my New Zealand tickets, even though the flight is four hours longer.

From: drycreek
24-Nov-13
Best of luck to you guys. I ain't never been mad at any elephants, but I sure do envy the trip to Africa. Been wanting to go there since I first saw a Tarzan movie, and that was a while ago. You'll have a great trip !

From: W.P. Archer
25-Nov-13
In regards to what MBMule said... I have seen many of the Ashby heads broken at the tip also so I would give them a very wide birth and go with a TuffHead...

From: TradbowBob
25-Nov-13
maybe you should use a Rage!

Tee Hee.

TBB

25-Nov-13
Would u put the arrow straight up from the steering wheel or straight up from the right side view mirror? lol

From: Dennis Razza
26-Nov-13
This will be a great hunt to follow... and entertaining! Best of luck!!!

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