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I'm pretty sure somebody forgot to calculate the NR contribution to the Game Dept budget.

http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2014/Introduced/HB0112.pdf

Do the math for me Bob... what % of the current number of elk licenses do non-res hunters have available to them?

Any person violating this section is guilty of a misdemeanor as prescribed under W.S. 23-2-417

(a).The Minimum Fine is $110 and a misdemeanor charge for a first offense for a Non Resident caught hunting a wilderness area for Big game with out a Reisdent guide, Licensed Outfitter or a Licensed Guide.

Doesn't seem like a bad trespass fee....

I was going to figure out the percentage on the elk tags, but I can't seem to find the totals, only by Hunt Area. I'm not adding them up. General tags for residents are waay "under-subscribed" from what I saw.

It looks like Game & Fish revamped their website again and it sucks again.

Non residents will be taking it in the shorts again. SB-196 didn't satisfy them. They think the NAM justifies their position of hunting as a right not a privilege.

I just heard that this Bill is getting pulled. We'll see if true.

I wish CO would ratchet-down the NR pool but that's not realistic, considering the financial impact it would have. Instead, they've removed a whole bunch of licenses from the general drawing pool and given them to outfitters/brokers to sell to NRs.

Suppose the number of points needed for NRs to draw in WY will creep up a tad?

Why in the world would you want to limit that?

Add on the fact most NR hunts last a week or less.

In any other industry you would never limit that type of profit.

You and I have discussed Laramie before. Hugh Hefner's house has nothing on that place huh! I stop and get gas there even if I have 3/4 of a tank. :-)

If they'd had this stupid outfitter welfare rule back in my single days, would've been fairly simple for my buddy and me to convince a couple of them to go camping/hiking for a few days, you know, during September.

Heck, we used to do it anyway.. :-)

I have no problem with states deciding what they want for NR quotas. It's the part about devaluing previously sold points that I feel is unethical. In my 20 years of applying in 14 states, only two did not devalue the points they sold me............Arizona & New Hampshire. That's it.

Whats the NR tag percentage in your state?

Hope the wife doesn't get on Bowsite!!

I am going to copy and paste my comments from another site.

"I think these legislators need to figure out what they are trying to solve. (Seems to me like they think they increasing revenues and doing some political pandering at the same time)

Like was mentioned, does this proposal increase revenue? I am not seeing it. You decrease the numbers of NR's, there goes you main source of license revenues.

Are they trying to increase revenue for all RES/NR and then trying to sweeten the pot by throwing NR's under the bus to appease RES increase?

The proposal that was shot down in the house sub committee had the same fee structure increase (as I remember and I had no problem with that proposal) But this one screws with many more issues that don't need messing with.

As alluded to, many of the RES hunts go unfilled and are offered up to NR's to meet the NR license quota/tag allocation. (IE Not a tag shortage). NR's pay much more for these unpurchased tags. Are those financials incorporated into revenue calculations?

What about going forward? How will this affect NR application numbers? Look to Idaho and Montana for reference when reviewing application numbers, post license increase. (Effectively what this bill does by pushing NR's toward Special Draw)

I think these folks need plexiglass installed in their abdomen's so they can see where they are walking. "

2nd comment.

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So let me get this straight: the Wyoming Game & Fish is strapped financially (long term) and cutting access programs, overflights and fisheries programs, and these guys think reducing the NR revenue stream by 50% is a good thing?

If i were cynical, and I am, I would think this is more about breaking WGFD's back and pushing them into a Utah model more than it is about anything else. Especially after seeing some of this brain trust in action.

They're banking on residents supporting this. If i were a resident of WY, i would be pretty pissed off at how the Legislature is dealing with hunters & anglers.

Z Barebow comment "RE: Revenue stream. Precisely my point. If the G& F has revenue shortfalls, how will driving NR's away fix revenue issues? They won't. And after several years, the SFW buzzards circle the crippled G&F and the Utah model is implemented.

This is not about raising money. Everyone is looking at the proposal for face value. Look into the background of the authors of this bill. Think a couple steps down the road. I smell SFW types. "

For those of you who don't know, SFW is Sportsmen For Wildlife. These guys are NOT for DIY public land hunters with access for all. They are the organization responsible for the conducting tag auctions in Utah to support their own expo and the organization administration, and very little funding to support the wildlife of Utah.

Too many hunters are looking at this proposed bill at face value. Folks are looking at this and saying "How will this affect me today?" You should be asking yourself, "What will happen in within the Wyoming G&F in 3-5 years if this bill passes?" (And when the projected results fall short of projections) ID and MT are already experiencing reductions in license revenue, post license increases. (I am not opposed to a license increase. 10% was more than fair. It's all of the other stuff on this proposed bill that will cause a death spiral in WYO.