Contributors to this thread:
Alright, so there's been everything from go-get'ems to doomed to failure prognoses by the peanut gallery and plenty of confidence exuded from TBM himself.
So, honestly, provided the trip pans out and he does go, what do you all think:
Odds of killing any elk
Odds of killing any bull
Odds of killing a P&Y class bull
Odds of killing a Booner
Have to add, my odds aren't much better!
I just hope that he has a chance to get out west and enjoy the chase. The rest is up to the hunting gods.
TBM,
Is this the first time that you bowhunted for big game other than whitetails? If it is, I hope that you enjoy the journey. Try not to get so caught up in killing something that you don't enjoy the adventure. Unlike turkeys, keep the wind in your face as much as possible.
9% (3% under national average for a first timer)
4% (taking into account bull to cow ratio)
2% (otc unit, p&y tough to come by)
0.5% (maybe a hole in a high fence near his otc area)
Idyl, you forgot to add a section for how likely he is to kill TWO elk on his great western adventure like he plans to do!! Hopefully their BOTH P&Y class bulls...
Not quite as confident as Big Dan:
6%
4%
1%
0%
Regardless of the results of the hunt... a 200 post thread following it: 110%
10%
5%
0%
0%
Not looking forward to any "hamblasted" elk threads.
0% on all if he is dumb enough to attempt a hamblaster. Otherwise:
10%
5%
1%
0%
I thought of doing a similar thread, Idyl, only I would put "odds of actually going" at the top.
If he goes,it will show a lot about his true character, and I think he will go.
50% chance of success if he gets into elk. Southern boys, who grow up hunting that thick habitat, can hunt. Period.
75% that if he kills it will be a bull.
20% if he kills it will be Pope & Young, southern boys aren't real good at passing up shots at something as big as any bull elk.
.035% chance that he will shoot it with somebody else's bow, which he could do better with than they could. .00876 his tracking spiders can survive in the old mountain nights.
Hope he gets one, hope he has to bust his azz to get it, hope he gets to enjoy elk fillets cooked over a campfire.
Hope Pat kicks in some gas money, because the stuff will fly on Bowsite no matter, if TBE decides to go.
Odds that TBM leaves Alabama: 3%
Any elk: odds are just below average at 8%
Any bull: 5%
P&Y bull: 2%
B&C bull: .001%
Edit: I'm convinced Steve is going to have help from a bowsiter guiding him. If so I give him 75% of killing an elk.
15% if he gets a shot
40% if he hits one
80% if he hits one in vitals
He is a fellow hunter, and quite enthusiastic. I wish him success.
I sincerely hope that he gets one but seriously doubt that he will.
Link,
Any odds on TBM being allowed back into Alabama if he leaves?
Slim and none.
And that is coming from a Southern boy who has killed two bulls.
I just hope he does not get hurt.
TBM: If your reading this, you better PM Mule Power.
R Hale, Not sure but they will be way higher than they should be. I'd say 3% they let him back in. Of course after hunting elk he might not want to go home to those pet southern gobblers.
100%
100%
37%
4%
Remember, I turn .0065% into 500% every year. Odds don't apply if you know what you're doing.
Slim to none.;)
5%
5%
0%
0%
I think it all depends on how close the nearest elk farm is located, the cost of the different size animals and how many cord of firewood he sells in the next few weeks.
Odds don't matter when you are odd. :)
Latest News Flash from Colorado......
The elk in Colorado heard TBM is coming to town are are reportedly laying on the ground holding their sides!
TBM: Remember this: Unlike in Alabama, roadkill does not count.
What are the odds this is another worthless thread that bored hunters use to pass the time till the season begins?
100%
I agree with Jake, just try to enjoy the experience. If you have to kill something to have a good time then you missed the whole point. Killing something is like dessert after a fine steak and baked potato! Mike
No odds from me. I wish him the same good luck as I would anyone else here on Bowsite.
Mike,
TBM's issue here is that if he does not kill he will be forced to eat crow, which is not as tasty as elk by all reports. :)
I vote he has a near zero chance of leaving AL. Or even being allowed out of his enclosure without close, direct observation. If he leaves, chances of him ending up in NJ are far greater than him killing an elk.
Y'all ever see Forrest Gump? While you can't fix stupid, some things are just meant to be.
He's just nutha son of bama flopping around in 6 inches of water in the gene pool, but the wind is in his face and fate is on his side.
80% 75% 3% 0%
Odds he won't even make it because his truck had two blow outs from being overloaded with wood- 100%.
Odds his threads will waste more of my time-100%
Odds I will learn anything from his exploits-0%.
Actually, I shouldn't be so certain. Even Lloyd had a chance.
"Odds don't apply if you know what you're doing".
Yeah, you're gonna beat the odds because you're an expert elk hunter already, and you haven't even left Alabama!
10% 6% 1% 0.5% (crazier things have happened)!
#1 is to have fun, I hope he has fun gets into a few elk and comes away with a new respect for the elk and the country they live in....
I hope he gets one and a big one at that.
However, I don't think he even makes it to the elk woods so I'll say 0%
Florida Mike, I have found a new love in twice baked potatoes. Before my cheesecake dessert. lol
Killers are killers. Take Nick Muche for example, throw him at a new animal in a new place, he gets it done. I remember a while back Nick taking a liking to ole TBM. I think TBM will get it done with a bull with a 25% chance it will be a P&Y contender but no chance of a booner. The larger question being, if TBM can go to Bigdan's home state and get it done 1st time DIY, could Bigdan get it done on Alabama turkeys the same?
TBM will not come away with respect for the animal. His respect is all saved for his personal skill. He has none to spare.
BigDan or 99% of bowsiters on a Alabama turkey odds%- 92% on a 5 day hunt
LINK - But in TBM own worda less than 1% can kill a turkey with a bow in. Alabama.
I'd say that 10% of the time he gets one every time.
"Eat Crow" ????
Reasons (an only)why TBM didn't get his elk
35%....Needed to hang close to call the Paul Finebaum show....
25% ...Joe's One Stop backordered his Deluxe Snake Bite Kit
20%...Mucks blowd out
10%....Sold so much firewood had to make a second trip
10%...Holding self out of hunting season due to Simmons contract dispute.
I'm no fan of the TBM bowsite persona, the whole Don King style of self promotion makes me nauseous. He's probably a hell of a guy in person though :)
That said, if he goes, I bet he kills.
Bake
Steve, That is hitting a bit close to home. My muck's are "blowd out."
On public I would say less of than 3% of the bowsiters could kill one the entire 42 day season. If 5 days hunting public it would be immeasurable.
I'd say you're dead wrong on that stat TBM. Hell I've killed 3 on public land, out of 4 hunts and I very seldom kill anything.
Bake
"Florida Mike, I have found a new love in twice baked potatoes. Before my cheesecake dessert. lol Fulldraw1972"
Ok so now Fulldraw needs an interpreter like TBM? It looks like you mean you havent killed anything and are starting to like it? Please clarify TBM, I mean Fulldraw!
As mentioned, killers are killers. If TBM gets in a spot with Elk, he'll kill one. If he gets stuck like most new guys, thinking just going to CO and walking back in a wilderness on a trail will get you into Elk, he'll have about the same dismal odds as the rest of CO's nr hunters.
Bake, I think TBM is referring to bama turkeys.
Odds
1 in 57
1 in 104
1 in 914
1 in 3679
The TBM Vegas line...
A really good elk caller could do good calling inturkeys here, but what would get him is he would never get the bow drawn. He would be forced to use a blind and few blinds are made strictly like they need to be effective on turkeys. I have the inside on turkeys as I make blinds strictly for them but don't sell them anymore so basically everybody is out of the Alabama Turkey killing loop. I think it's a more level playing field for elk.
Mark this one down for quote of the year thread:
"Remember, I turn .0065% into 500% every year. Odds don't apply if you know what you're doing."
How does one know what he is doing if he has never done it before?President Abraham Lincoln has some fantastic quotes and one of them applies here perfectly.
One pill TBM, one pill per day. Overdo it and those delusions come back.
"Steve, That is hitting a bit close to home. My muck's are "blowd out." "
Yes it is but TBM may think I misspelled the word if I added the "e" :)
Just got layed off...first time in my life. Talk about bad timing. Not sure how long it will last? Not long Ihope. Can't miss many days for sure or things will get ttight in a hurry.
Good thimg about being laid off is you won't have to burn vacationdays to elk hunt!
TBM, Forget the wind, just hunt!
Now you can hunt all September. Sorry to hear that. I guess there won't be a semi-live elk hunt for you this year?
Sorry to hear that. More than one elk hunter out here asks to be laid off in September. Always scary when you have folks depending on you, but if it looks like you will be going back in a couple months and you are left with some free time in Sept, I would absolutely consider a long hunt. Time in the field is a huge multiplier to elk hunting success. Aside from gas to get here, it doesn't cost much more per day to be living in a tent chasing elk every day than it does to be at home catching up on chores while laid off.
Too bad about the job. I quit every year in September for many years, takes the edge off while sleeping under the stars.
Good luck on the hunt and with the job search!
Z Barebow, you nailed my thoughts when I read the topic;
So, you're saying there's a chance....
can't believe I read this.
Being laid off.....Sounds like an excuse for not going is being laid out before your eyes. lol
Not suppose to last until my vacation starts.
"No odds from me. I wish him the same good luck as I would anyone else here on Bowsite. "
+1
"No odds from me. I wish him the same good luck as I would anyone else here on Bowsite. "
No one on here talks smack like TBM inciting threads like this.
I do wish him luck as well, though, and hope he gets at least one close encounter if he doesn't kill one.
Turns out I did purchass a Montana leftover deer , elk, fish, and bird combo. Strangest on line purchass ever. As soon as I hit submit...poor, the page was gone. No conformation # or nothing. Turned out I was going to hold off until I figured out how my lay off was going to go but the purchases went through. Oh well, through responsibility out the window and let the rubber burn. Montana bound..it's ofishial.
It's on like Turkey Kong!!!!
Good luck with the job Steve. I was in your shoes a year ago a year later got best job I could imagine far more pay and far less stress one door closes and 3 more open just gotta have faith. The only odds I will lay here is that this thread goes over 100 posts!
How about one more category...that he actually sees a live elk inside of 500 yards...I am putting that at about 10 percent if he is on his own.... Elk hunting at altitude is vastly different than hunting turkeys and deer at basically sea level....you know when you actually have to get out of your blind and move...
The weakest point in the big adventure, among many is that I see far too much emphasis on calling. If he wants success, it is about moving on elk. Not thinking elk will come to him. TBM will need to fact the fact that being in the March Madness pool at the office is not the same as being a starter on a winning NCAA DIV 1 basketball team. T-ball to the majors is a big jump.
Let the fun
Like anyone else that grabs their bow and hits the elk woods, expectations are always high. When the hunt is over and your headed back home, reality sets in. Chances of a first timer actually harvesting any elk are very, very slim......BUT it does happen now and then. Enjoy the time spent. Relish the opportunity. The best of luck to you and take lots of pictures.
I honestly believe he will kill one. It may be the first one he sees, may not be.
I think he will kill a 4x4, 4x5, or 5x5.
I think there has been a lot of humor all around, but I think the guy has picked up some good tactics and if he is half as good a turkey hunter as he says he is, he will do well in the mountains.
I believe he will get one and HONESTLY hope he does. But then again, I always think positive....
I hear that about calling and have always heard t hat leaving them alone in mid day when they are bedded is good too. Problem for me is I severe ACDC sovibhave to be doing something all the time. Thinking of taking my fly rod. What are some good flies for that time of year? I have a deer tag too and the guy said mule deer wouldn't be nothing for me to kill and I have never killed one.
" I have a deer tag too and the guy said mule deer wouldn't be nothing for me to kill and I have never killed one."
Who's the "guy" in the sentence above. I smell a guide(paid or not).
Where you headed in Montana Steve? Maybe we can jump up the odds a little bit:) HUNT
Don't know about the odds, but I hope he kills a good bull elk. Good luck Steve.
No odds here either. I will say, however, that IF TBM actually goes, he goes to HUNT. He may not kill, but according to some of you, that's not important. Would be to me, but maybe not to some. I think TBM is gonna try to stick something. Why else would he obsess about his broadheads so ?
"Ofishial" Glad to hear it. Good luck!
Wait....Odds on a ham blaster?
I'm assuming this is a public land unguided hunt? TBM has been running his mouth on this site for awhile now, I hope he comes up here and does a real diy hunt. Good luck to you sir and please report back.
I was gonna say lets put some money on this and make it interesting but if he ends up going with HUNT then I ain't putting money against him:)
I'm with Bob.
There's hunters that kill things and hunters who don't kill things.
If he plans on holding out for a big elk, I think he's coming home empty handed. If he shoots the first legal elk he gets a shot at, I think he'll get one.
" leaving them alone mid day when they are bedded is good to. "
Best time to kill a good bull in my mind, then again what do i know ??
I hope TBM has an excellent adventure, gets his elk and has a better job when he gets back home.
If he goes...there is a dead bull enjoying his summer right now and he don't even know it.
Remember...its ok to drink from ponds...not necessary to filter the water. ..drink up.
I think my odds are realistic.
But I will say that I sure wish you all the luck in the world TBM. Anyone who get's off their butt and goes instead of sitting there and talking about it is ok in my book.
And to the folks who say these threads are boring or a waste of their time... lighten up Francis! Nobody forces you to click on them right. If you can't find humor in any of these posts I know one thing: I'd rather share a camp with TBM then your dry personality asses! Go git em Steve! And fell free to PM if you have any questions or need some help man.
As good as TBM is, he should sleep in and hunt them when they're bedded... After all, they're just sleeping... :)
TBM, Have a great hunt and good luck.
25% 15% 2% .0001%
But keep in mind that 67% of all statistics are made up. Good luck
So is this DIY public land without someone helping him whihcn is kind of like getting a guide????
If so Slim to none and as they said Slim just left town.
But with that said hope he has fun no matter what...
TBM, I think the woodsmanship acquired in the Southeast should serve you well in understanding the nuances of hunting elk and being successful. You just need to make the trip out here and get some exposure. The window of opportunity may or may not happen on this trip, but it will be time well spent.
To me elk hunting is a lot like turkey hunting but the highs and the lows are exponentially greater.
Regardless the mountains are a magical place to be in September. Have a great hunt!
Montana? Could you have picked a farther place to go...Then again, it could be BigDan who's guiding him!
;-)
God loves a trier
Good luck TBM and good hunting; we're all rootin' fo' ya
TBM- if you are "ACDC", does this mean a "Brokeback Mountain" adventure may be in the works, and it's more than Elk you seek????
X2 what Nick said...I just hope there is not a hungry bear that's full and don't even know it.
Jack...I had know idea, yet that is evidence of the contrary to your assessment because they say it takes one to know one...so back at ya!
I'm pulling for you TBM! You seem to be a true "Character" and provide great entertainment. Good luck with the hunt and job situation. Stay humble on the hunt though, the mountains can be unforgiving.
"I have severe ACDC" OMG, that's your BEST YET!
If Hunt Man is involved TBM your odds went from 1% to 50%.
Hunt Man is a serious elk hunter. TBM: You would be wise to PM BOTH Hunt Man and Mule Power. Those guys speak Montana elk.
TBM since you asked about flies to take for flyfishing, just take some 12 and 14 dry fly hooks and some thread so that when you kill your elk you can just make some Elk Hair Caddis. But Id also consider humpys, stimulators, copper johns, bead head hares ear or pheasant tails to keep it simple. Pay attention to the regs and species for fishing up there.
Enjoy God's country!! Elk or no Elk.
TBM is the king of DIY public hunting. Why would he accept help from mere mortals. After all the smack he's been talking he better be going DIY.
Mule, "don't call me Francis. Any of you call me Francis again and I'll....... "
I Smell a rat on this one. If not guided it most certainly is private land access. I hope I am wrong because I would lose all respect for TBM!
I don't want to waste much time on fishing. I'll just hook 2 each if the three best flys to my Alabama rig and hopefully catch a mess in one cast.
Zip
Zilch
Zero
Nada goin' to happen
but Ham Blaster wounds are not out of the question.
I still say TBM is Serb incognito.
Can this please please please be a live hunt???????
Hey Dan,
You taking TBM elk hunting?:)
TBM WILL BE COMING HOME HEAVY !!!!!!!!
Jeez, how'd you get that into your truck?
He put the bucket of grain in the bed first.
TBM, Good luck on the hunt! And better luck with the job. I hope you get to hunt longer and harder now. I give TBM better than average odds. I mean elk hunting and turkey hunting have many similarities. He's worked pretty hard at it. I mean who of the rest of us has gone to the lengths that he has (mowing the lawn barefoot while dodging piles).
12% any elk
10% any bull
5% P&Y
1% booner (I don't believe in decimals)
100% chance of having the time of his life.
Like it was said before TBM. Your getting out there and doing it. Your odds are way better than if you were sitting at home just typing about it. I've noticed my odds greatly increased when I started getting the addiction and spent more time in the wilderness. Whatever your success is your going have an awesome time!
Wonder what the BTB and Big Dan odds are? Wouldn't it be something if I.....na, I'm not going to say it!
Serbian Shark... is that you man???
SERBIAN Shark gave me my immunization shots when i first came on here. I had a reaction and left for a while but the but the brass finally settled out where it belongs and I came back, fully ready for the torture. Speaking of coming back, I wonder when ole Rancid Crabapple is coming back. I wonder if he ever got done with his heater body suit?
Wonder if he got his knife back...among other things
Worked with my dad yesterday and going back to my regular job today on 12 hours. Company making lots of layoffs at our plant but I probably want be affected. Yesterday was more of a product stream problem and that can happen from time to time but my second job can cover the slack. I am in a better place $$ than 6 months ago when a speeding ticket was enough to forfet a Turkey trip. I am also taking a leap of faith that I can kill an elk and hopefully a deer also and possible some fish. Its almost necessary that I bring back meat and lots if it so I Wil not have to hunt here as much. Then I can spend all my off days working instead of hunting and will only hunt here when I want to and on the beat days. Thanks for the kind words and votes if confidence. Lots to do between here and September. Preparation is fun !!
You can buy a lot of pork or beef for what you're tying up a western trip, TBM...a lot.
I'm guessing those aren't excuses for not wanting to put your pride on the line, so if you can't go because of finances, you can't go. BTDT!
Even hard to make venison pay on close to homes compared to what you can earn with the hours at work, the equipment, the tags, the fuel, the mileage.....
Shoot, it would take a lot of mountain cutthroats to equal one "Bama doe.
If I get a cow this fall I should have about 8$ per pound in a pound of finished meat. That's not including figuring a dollar amount on vacation time. It's hard to justify NR hunting with the meat.
The way I look at at I get some good meat at hamburger price and spend 600$ additional for a fun time or I just spend 1200$ for a fun time.
No, it's not 100% justifiable, but if the trip yields enough meat to equal 8 Alabama deer, and it takes 40 days of hunting in y spare time to kill those 8, and that frees up 120 hours to work at $20 per hour...that will definantly help pay for the tags...the rest is just vacation. This is something I have wanted to do for a long time.
actually at $8 a pound you can jjustify it financially, you can't buy meat the same QUALITY for < $8....I honestly think my whitetail venison costs more though in tags, travel, ammo, etc.
Go for it TBM! 8%(or whatever the success rate is) may seem like bad odds. But I bet the guys in the 8% don't think it's too bad.
I'm headed out next week myself, CO DIY OTC.
You better do a write up on here when it's over. I'm looking forward to it. And we better be able to comprehend it!
Good luck and shoot straight.
Actually I considered going to an area with huge bulls and less than 1% odds...I just thaought my odds of being in the 1% was 80% so that was good odds. My odds of being in the 12% is around 140% so I will have some time to hunt deer and fish abd possible go to Idaho and look at an area a buddy on bs reccommended.
TBM--since you obviously are not going to take the advice of Lincoln, maybe you will take the advice of one of your HDYLMK heroes...the great Toby Keith has a song in which you should heed the title--
"A Little Less Talk, and a Lot More Action"
I'm almost tempted to take TBM hunting with me so he kills a big bull and talks trash for a year.
Almost...
Might be the most entertaining hunt of my life.
I don't think I could talk much trash if a seasoned elkmaster "got" one for me. It would be more of an accomplishment for him than I...but if I get one on my own, diy, pyblic land...first time out.. lookout!!!!!
"I don't think I could talk much trash if a seasoned elkmaster "got" one for me. "
But I bet you would!
Been looking at some ground where I will be hunting visa sattalite... on the western part of the state it looks to be two patches of timber. One in he south that looks to be around 40 or 50 acres and another around 200 acres but long and narrow...that's where all the elk are. Ivwill start wwith the bigger patch to give them a fighting chance and switch to the smaller one if things get tough. As soon as I ramshackle those spots it will be on to Idaho.
Come to the Western side. I will keep a eye on ya and throw a rope down the divide so U can get up the hills.
Big country out here.
Everyone thinks they will just jump off the road and whack one.
PS. Grizz luv soft meat, don't get in shape. They get pissed when they have chewy meals.
GOOD LUCK...
All right gonna take it back.
I thought TBM's cause was a lost one. I found proof that Jaqaumo has gone south with his magic Elk calling guitar. I have video proof Lou has been giving TBM lessons on the language of elk and his "elk music" Once drenched in elk piss and wearing an elk hat and his new found skills sure to connect.
I am going to have to up my odds on TBM success now he has Big Louie in his corner
"but if the trip yields enough meat to equal 8 Alabama deer"
Even a 4 or 5 year old bull is not going to equal 8 deer. more like 4 does.
I get about 32 pounds of dressed meat off my does. I was thinking an elk would produce around 300 pounds? If I could get a big mule deer along with an elk that would pretty much set me for the year counting the 10 turkeys I usually get.
These are Bama deer Idyl. Not much bigger than jackrabbits.
After a year I now have conclusive evidence TBM is delusional. The signs were there all along but on a recent post he referenced a buddy on the bowsite. That is perfect validation that the man has no clue and is living in a dream world. He has no such relationships on the site
The odds in my mind are like the stock market...there was a downturn last night because my right hip went to hurtin as I toted my heavy bag attached to the pack frame. I just don't think the mobility is coming along at the pace I expected...that fact alone could cripple the hunt. The predictions by prognosticators has me wondering if I might be a little overconfident. i just think the fact that I started working at the age of 12 doing one of the most dangerous jobs plus the fact that our deer and turkey are so difficult to kill with a bow has got me seasoned for tough hunting and persurverance.
Overconfident, no, what would make you think such a foolish thought. In all seriousness, I hope your hip gets to feeling better. I want you to be able to experience your dream hunt without impedance.
A bit of HUMBLE PIE wouldnt hurt TBM abit!The only guarantee on this hunt is 200 posts of why the elk got away or 200 posts bragging how it didnt.Hes not a hunter hes a killer!Hasnt left Alabama but hes narrowed it down to 240acres!
That's all you need to kill six turkeys a year. It will surely work for elk since they are basically the same animal. ; )
I've always believe you prep yourself to a physical and mental place that is much tougher than what you will experience in reality. The mental part is easy.I expect some things to go wrong and few things to go as planned. Physically, there is no way I can prepare myself in a tougher scenerio than what the mountains will bring...it's impossible. All I can do is load my pack heavier than it will be on the trip and find the roughest area I can find and push myself as far as I feel is safe to do so. Hard to get anything in on 12 hours but I hope to get in some killer hikes this weekend. It's suppose to be 100 degrees and humid so it will be a test.
Your pack should never be heavier than 25lbs.
10lb sleeping bag
5lbs water
5lbs sardines
2lb tarp
3 lb for a hoochie momma and a butt out
There's no need for a knife or game bags.
here's a thought, if you utilize some of the time spent posting misspelled, grammatically and informationally incorrect comments, on practically every Bowsite thread, you can get in more exercisie time...HEY! that's such good advice, I might have to take it myself! ;-)
Good luck TBM, have a fun and safe hunt. Let us know how you make out.
"where I will be hunting .....two patches of timber. One in he south that looks to be around 40 or 50 acres and another around 200 acres.
Dude... if you knew a single thing about elk hunting you'd realize how hilarious that is.
A square mile is 640 acres the last time I checked. You better start thinking about 6400 acres not 240.
One thing I myself and many others have said before is that some of the best deer hunters don't cut it at elk hunting because they are too good at what they do. They think the can't snap a twig and never cover half the ground they need to to even smell an elk.
Elk don't "roost" in the same place all the time either cuz.
I have a dream.... I want to sit beside you and hear you think out loud when you type your posts. You're one funny dude. A few big words here and there in between the misspelled little ones. Come on Serb... come out of the closet man. lmfao
While not normal for most elk hunting, I hunt the same 2 sections in NM every year I'm there. Most of the time I hunt one section. I know within 1/4 mile where a bull will be on the 10th of September. Most will travel less than a mile from feed to bed, some only go a 1/4. The biggest bulls will go about 2 miles. Killing them is the difficult part. morning thermals, the elks location, and the direction they go when bedding make it real tough.
Yeah I hear you Bob. But myself and I'm sure you and plenty of others have stomped enough ground to know places like that. But we stomped plenty of desd space before narrowing it down to that. I know a place, one log, I could sit on and kill a bull every year eventually. It's not in Alabama. And that's boring.
I narrowed-down my new area to about 30 square miles for scouting. Now I'm down to 6 different drainages of about a section each, at least a mile from any road or trail, learning the specific micro-habitats within each, understanding why elk are where they are, where they go, where they come from.
It's taken dozens of hours of satellite and map study and roughly 40 days on the ground this spring and summer burning boot leather to get to this point, and I'm still not "confident".
If TBM somehow stumbles into an elk and kills it,it will be simple stupid blind luck. This assumes he's being honest about going into an unknown place unguided for his first- ever elk hunt.
What exactly is a drainage. We have hills and hollows and creek bottoms but I am not familiar with this drainage you speak of.
When im elk hunting I don't go by acres its more like I'm hunting this or that mountain today. I wish it was as easy as covering a few hundred acres !
TBM, a "drainage" is that little, plastic, barbed tool you use to remove hair clogs from the bathroom sink, without having to take the trap loose.
They are used by some elk hunters to clean their nostrils without blowing their nose and scaring the elk.
Take an AL holler or creek bottom and expand it by 20x-50x in all directions and you might have a "typical" drainage.
Franzen, I think oyou may be overstimating Al hollers. They're kinda wimpy by even SW Virginia Standards
Drainage could be any size, but a section is generally 640 acres or a square mile.
Killing an elk in unfamiliar territory may not be as hard as some may imagine. I have spent a fair amount of time in areas in Colorado that if one was to throw a dart at a map(NF/wilderness), then hunt the surrounding one mile radius, then he/she would very likely be in elk at some point in the archery season. Not saying it would be easy...
Mule - PM the GPS coordinates of that log to me. It'd be great to have a back up plan to the back up plan to the back up plan.
Drainage: the draining of fluids, as bile, urine, etc., from the body, or of pus and other diseased products from a wound, possibly incurred while hunting elk unprepared.
A drainage is a big long holler, often with several smaller cricks merging into it. Like a big funnel that might be several miles across up high, but narrows as it goes downhill. Might have some open parks on the south facing slopes, might not. But to have elk it must have feed, water, bedding cover, thick escape cover, and hopefully be rough enough or far enough removed from human activity that elk feel comfortable.
Depending on where you are, it can be steep as a cow's face. Elk might travel a couple miles up and down in their normal day lifestyle
Bruner, agreed.
"At some point during the season" is the key disclaimer.
Fuzzy I use my fingers for both those jobs so I can save a little weight packing. Sounds like fun...hit a drainage call up or down depending of the wind...hit another drain...on and on till dark. Sleep ...start over the next day.
I'm certainly no elk expert, but I also stumbled across one of those small areas, a small bench about 60 yards wide sandwiched between steep oak brush, a steep shoulder of mountain, and a rock slide, where I killed my first bull, and I bet if you sat there every day the wind was decent in the season, you could kill a bull. And it's less than a mile from a parking lot
In fact, should have killed a bull there last year, he was headed for it, but I stupidly blew a call, and he answered, then promptly walked away, bugling. . .
Bastard!!!
Bake
I think those who underestimate my odds don't fully understand how southern turkeys have prepared me for elk. Most of my Turkey kills have been call n kills using bow n go or spot stalk and col methods. Those are the methods I love most so transitioning to elk is moving into my comfort zone. You also underestimated how smart I hunt...one elk, moybe a small bull might tell me how to kill a larger bull on a different drainage or even mountain. Blind luck don't get you 217 turkeys with a bow any more than it will get you an elk every year. It might take me a day or two to get acclimated and a couple more to get my groove on. The only thing I struggle with is I really would like to call an elk more than just kill an elk and that could hurt...but I do know the situations where calling gives me a chance and where stalking gives me a better chance. It will just boil down to the moment.
Midwest if I find myself in a spot that beautiful I might just sit there for 10 days straight...I think I could be in awe that long in a place like that....I can't stop looking at the photo.
Find the spot on your map, hike for two hours in the dark, make a bitch climb up to the rim, sit down to glass, listen to the elk music below.....it does not get any better.
217 turkeys with a bow? I've been following these "TBM" threads, and now I'm calling BS!! Seems we have another "legend in his own mind"... and what really makes me laugh is TBM says that next year he will kill an elk with a trad bow!!
Your biggest challenge is going to be finding the elk. Without any local knowledge or help it will be difficult to negotiate the area necessary to find a "pocket" of elk on your first trip in a OTC unit. Even if you find the elk there will be other variables to contend with like outside hunting pressure. There will be guys out there that know what there doing and there will be those that are blundering through the dark timber in the middle of the day calling their asses off. The wind does amazing things in that country. If your lucky enough to find a good bull, catch him in the right frame of mind, have the ability to climb in his back pocket without being detected, and challenge him...it might just be your day. The nuances of that scenario is a work in progress. It would be just like going to Fitzpatrick Alabama with archery equipment for the first time and expecting to be successful in hunting the turkeys that have been pursued relentlessly for decades by some of the best turkey hunters in the country:) There is no question that you will get "it" done eventually....and "it" fully depends on your expectations.
I've been saying for a year now TBM is Serb incognito. Only a couple of you guys seem to be my followers.
Nick, that picture is amazing. There's elk in them there hills....
Anyone else notice what is taking place here? How this is unfolding? Id be interested to see if anyone catches my drift...
hate to say it but TBM appears to be a mighty savvy feller all around.
CPAhunter, I said the same thing when he first came on here.....then I saw his videos and realized he suffered from an even more severe case of narcissistic personality disorder than SERB! lol
217 turkeys with a bow? I've been following these "TBM" threads, and now I'm calling BS!! Seems we have another "legend in his own mind".
Buglmin I've been called out before...I take it as the greatest complement one can receive when others cannot believe your accomplishments are possible. I have had old turkey hunters call me a lie before my face...you can't help but smile and say thank you.I personally don't think 217 spring gobblers is something that couldn't be achieved in this day and time. If I could disect some of my Turkey accomplishments there is at least one that will never be duplicated. It would be an interesting topic...I think I will start it now.
TBM,
I'm sure you'll adjust and learn how they react when you get on them. The problem is, it can take a few days to find fresh sign if you're not hearing bugles in a pressured OTC zone which is often the case. Then, if you blow them out, you start over at square one trying to find them again cause if they wind you, they won't be there the next day.
A big part of the hunt is finding them. You can be in the most picturesque setting with great elk habitat and old sign and there's a possibility that there isn't an elk within a mile or two of you. If you havent seen them or heard a bugle, you have to keep looking for fresh sign and sometimes that takes days.
I won't stop looking till I find scat that I could spread on bread with a butter knife.
Oh, and pretty much the entire time you're hunting elk country, you'll be in places where you can sit for 10 days straight and just stare at the beauty. That's a huge part of why elk hunting is so special and so addicting. People backpack these mountains just to look at them and be in the wild. We get that and one of the funnest animals to hunt at the same time.
More than likely though TBM's campaign has turned up enough intel from PMs on the bowsite that he should have no problems finding elk.
TBM, I suggest you go into a seedy bar in someplace like Butte or say on the Blackfoot res. Tell them about your piss bugs, tracking spiders and the stupidity of everything outside Alabama. Do not forget to include a few of your impossible accomplishments. You are bound to gain some insight this way.
"Anyone else notice what is taking place here? How this is unfolding? Id be interested to see if anyone catches my drift... hate to say it but TBM appears to be a mighty savvy feller all around."
Yep. He says something else stupid and 4-5 guys will explain why it is wrong and if he were smart this is what he would do...
I am learning quite a bit too.
I never thought TBM was Serb. I originally thought he was Tink reborn but his spelling has improved WAY too much.
It is good entertainment though.
I can also have my teenage son read along to see how he could end up...
"Sounds like fun...hit a drainage call up or down depending of the wind...hit another drain...on and on till dark. Sleep ...start over the next day."
Do that and you'll be just fine.
217 turkeys tells me one thing: They just aren't that smart. You'd never kill that many in Pa. Not only are they smart but you can't shoot them in the wing butt and let your dog find them for you. Maybe in Nebraska where there are a billion of them and they are good and dumb there too.
I don't know man... I see a high fence elk hunt unfolding here.
TBM, here's a drainage, and it's loaded with elk, you just gotta find 'em...
I think you all are ridiculous this should be called tbmsite anymore
Surf... if a bull bugles just once in there he is as good as dead.
That is fenced in right?
I have never hunted Montana. I suspect finding elk can be tougher on large ranges occupied by wolves. Colorado on the other hand... Not so tough.
If (another qualifier) TBM has some fitness, some shooting skills, some perseverance, and some time (10+ days) I suspect he will shoot an elk. Kill it? Find it? Get it off the mountain before it rots? These are the areas where the odds get lower.
One of my favorite quotes from working wyoming hunting camps went something like this. As told by a guide to a paying hunter/client.
Hunter: Rick, do you ever hunt for elk? Rick: You mean kill one for myself? Hunter: yes Rick: Hell no. Killing elk is easy...Now, getting a fat, lazy hunter close enough to kill one... That's a challenge.
He was serious too. No rookie, been in the mountains for many decades. Brash and arrogant maybe. But serious.
Good luck TBM. Don't let the egomaniacs get your panties bunched up. They will really chafe your inner thighs up on the mountains and you might started talking like them!!!
Odds are rising...just got my thunder bugle and sleazy cow call out if the box...fairly close with the cow call and got a little work with the bugle but I bet I could call one up already. Both calls are out of my comfort zone...I am mire comfortable with a inside the mouth diaphragm.. I will get one of those also.
I think TBM is a strange animal, but finding elk is not that hard......... In 1991 i wanted to hunt elk with my bow. I drove out to SW Colorado, unit 711, set up camp, and was into elk in 3 days..... I killed the first cow I saw........
Now I have had better years, but the point is, I do not care where you live, if you have the time you can find the elk....
Killing a nice bull is another story, but I think TBM will find them.....
TBM when are you leaving?
Odds are rising...just got my thunder bugle and sleazy cow call out if the box...fairly close with the cow call and got a little work with the bugle but I bet I could call one up already. Both calls are out of my comfort zone...I am mire comfortable with a inside the mouth diaphragm.. I will get one of those also. Leaving in two weeks.
Ok 217 with a bow. Maybe. Maybe not. If you hunted Alabama only. It would take you 43.4 years at a five bird limit to get to 217. Lets say you hunted AL and MS. That's 21.7 years at ten birds per year. With a shotgun and multiple states I could see it. But every single bird with a bow. I call BS. Unless you don't have a job and hunt every single day. Cause if you killing that many birds with a bow surely you took time to take a kid or a buddy hunting.
So lets say you hunt four states every year. AL, MS, TN and KS That's 13.5 years limiting out in all states. Elk I know nothing. Turkeys I know a little.
lol..
It would take 3.5 years of killing 1 bird 'every single day' of the hunting season to get 217 birds in AL and you would have to hunt multiple places around the state to pull it off. There are only 6 open counties in the fall season and you would also have to hunt in the those 6 open fall season counties where 'no' decoys are allowed. You would have a max of 65 days of the year to hunt if you maximized and used every single day of the season which no one with a job could ever do. Like I said it would take killing a bird every day of the season to do that and you would have to spend 17 of those days each year hunting with no decoys in the only 6 counties open for fall hunting. You would need to be a poacher too.
If you broke the law and poached you could pull all this off. lol.... Hear it goes....If you got one every other day it would take you 7 years. Every 3rd day would take 10.5 years. Every fourth day of the season it would take 14 years. Every 5th day it would take 17.5. Every 6th day would take 21 years and every 7th day it would take damn near 25 years but the 7th day is supposed to be a day of rest ya know....lol. but the big number is if you tagged out each year it takes 43 years to pull off in your state. You are not that old! There is no age requirement in your state but who knows if that was the case when you were a tiny tot. Either way you would have to have been supervised and would have to have started real young too.
Not sure how old you are but I doubt your old enough to have hunted turkeys for more than 25 years and I doubt your poaching turkeys given the risk for such a limited return. Turkeys are not super hard to kill but they don't just run in and say shoot me either. Even if they are dumb and easy to kill for you personally you would be hard pressed to get all those in AL and 2 more states over a 25 year period. That's 3 birds per state (3 states) for 25 years straight and you would be over the bag limit in some states around you if you only hunted in one of the two seasons (spring or fall) each year. To pull it off you would need to got to each state 2 times per year (spring and fall) so you could get the numbers needed to pull this off. You would also have to do all this quick so you could still have a job.
The last poster pointed out the other scenarios so please lay this to rest and tell us your secret. I have no doubt you are a great turkey hunter but 217 birds? I mean really? You would have to hunt a lot for turkeys outside your state and even if you tagged out it would take years and years. Like the guy above said...It would in fact take almost 14 years of tagging out in your state and the 3 states surrounding AL and I do not know anyone other than you that has that much passion for turkeys that they would spend that much money heading from state to state 2 times a year and even if they did they would have to be lucky as hell to tag out each and every year and spend a ton of time to boot. Oh....And have tons of cash because it would cost a bunch and you would have to have a job you can spend months away from each year. The cash required to do all this would find you being able to go all over the US hunting big game. Why only turkeys and deer when you have that much money and free time? Ham blasting deer takes time too each year so you must have a great job bro. Wanna trade with me? Please? lol
This may look like I am calling BS on you but rather I am really trying to pin you down on how you actually pulled this off? Did they have a 20 turkey a year limit for 5 years somewhere or something? If so it would only take you 13 years instead and that is doable. LOL. Tell us your secrets so we can be wayyyy better turkey hunters. Quite being greedy man. Your supposed to share knowledge on this site right? Just messing with ya TBM but it is an interesting mystery.
One thing is certain. It is not as hard to kill turkeys with a bow as you claim in your You Tube video because you have more turkey kills than anyone I have ever heard of and you say 1 turkey with a bow is like 3 with a gun or something like that? How can you say that with 217 turkey kills? Sounds more like target practice to me. If your kill rate is that high I want to come hunt with you bro.
I just wanted to be 195....
All 217 are spring kills...none in the fall. My single season double grand slam was all in one spring and done in about 32 days of actual hunting and I worked a lot if those days. I limited out some years without taking off work. Some trips were on my long weekend.
I know several guys that killed over 200 birds. But they get paid to hunt, or they are retired and/ or travel to multiple states yearly and tag out. Not to mention they take a lot of other people. it is possible. But question I got is if you are that good why brag about it. The state of AL is full of some great hunters and I mean great. I don't live ther but hunted public land there numerous times and you can tell those birds get a lot of pressure. It ranks up there in my mind as tough as LBL and Mark Twain when it comes to tough birds.. I got nothing against you but I was taught old school and bragging ain't old school. Just curious as to what states you travel to. Because the south has the most liberal limits and if you didn't take time of work they makes another interesting twist.
TBM,
So you just pop from state to state for a day of hunting and then go to work later and then repeat over and over? I could see you doing that for your slam but every year for 25+ years? Wow. How do you get into birds that easy? Do you bait them or is that illegal in the areas you hunt just like it is in MI?
When you gonna go for the Royal and World slams? Perhaps a super?
All I can say is you are wayyyyy better at killing turkeys than I am. I just got into turkey hunting and its kinda cool but not sooo cool that I would spend that much time and money doing it that I had to give up big game hunts. The driving from state to state alone would cost a small fortune let alone all the tags. How much does it cost you all together every year to max out on turkey kills around the states you hunt?
I have only shot 3 toms myself so I have a ways to go to catch up. lol. 1 each year since I decided to get into it. Before the past 3 years it didn't interest me because I am a bird lover of sorts and wouldn't dream of killing a bird. (it must be because I have parrots).lol. By the way....Parrots love fried chicken and wild turkey. Anyway I have enjoyed it the past 3 years and it was a good time for the most part. I will continue to hunt them now. I drilled all 3 Toms I shot at but 2 got away with my arrow. Last year I shot a huge Tom that was a real dandy and he flopped on the ground for 10 seconds and then jumped up and snapped my arrow in half and ran off. I gave chase after his limping azz with all I had in me and he was running like Forrest Gump. I never found him. The other one I lost is an epic story that would be almost unbelievable so I will spare you. I did get my 1st bird 2 years ago and it was good eaten.
What I find incredible about your 237 turkey kills is the learning curve. You would have had to have killed a lot of birds early on in your hunting career so the learning curve was steep. You must have had a great teacher.
Hammer you are spending way too much time on this. You typed a friggin' book and that is the sole purpose for the the posts in the first place. To get people to engage for no good reason. Sucker. Lol
Bou'bound
It was a long post but only took about 5 minuets. I type relatively fast and I cant wait for the answers. I am on the edge of me set brimming with anticipation ya know.
lol
:o)
Damn, I wanted to be 200! Stuck on 198 too long and I gave up.
Oh well, 300 is coming up!
What Lou.... you've killed 200 bulls? That's one in every state for a mere 4 years. No big deal.
I will try and get this in on a double flusher. Been busy tying the loose ends on my elk hunt. I think I found where I'm going to kill him. The topo shows clearly the spot...you can see it from mars. As far as the 217, most were killed in bama. I have not missed many limits since 1988. The limit was 6 and I got that a few years before the reduced it back to 5. Killed my first in 82 and it took a few years to get the blind thing going but I did kill 4 one season before developing my blind. Started taking trips for turkey around 92 and pretty much go somewhere every year. Killed 9 a few seasons, 10 a couple times , 11 a couple years and tipped out with 13 three years back. Killed 5 of them on a reservation. Like said above..some great Turkey hunters in Alabama..you can divide them in 3 groups. I will use an analogy to make my point. Like the bible points out, it is best to build a house on a rock. People did so for years but it wasn't until they started analising the rock and trying to figure out how to manufacture rock that buildings could be built anywhere. Some good hunters kill alot because they have great places...there is rock almost everywhere. I the next level or class are the hunters who hunt lands that are not blessed with abundant game, but they have learned how to recognise where the rock is even when it is not evident above the surface. The highest level of good Hunter has learned how to manufacture rock so even in bad places, when they are stuck in a spot that is clearly unfavorable they can turn it around and give themselves a chance. While listening to Big Dans interview he pointed out some of the things he does when elk hunting that makes me think he is in this highest class. You have to understand how you sound to Turkey ot elk when you are in that perfect spot, and then manipulate your calling to sound that way when you are not. You might not get them to close every time, but if you can produce good results just 5% of the time that can give you the edge. I'm being a little vague, but if every Hunter catches on to the little tricks that gets game to come in then it will not be an advantage anymore.
Joe, might be a few more than that. I've forgotten some stuff from the 70s. All without a decoy until I started using the hat.
Lou - I though you inferred in one of your articles that the ultimate decoy on that hunt was your goatee.
Yeah, that too. I forget I'm just a natural butt-face that makes me naturally rock without even realizing it.
I love this thread! Sure going to miss it when I go off the grid to hunt in a couple days. TBM, you may want to pick out a couple alternate rocks just in case somebody else is sitting on that special one, making sweet magical sounds with a Hoochie Mama.
TBM, I've called in whole herds with that sleazy cow call. That said, the most accurate cow sounds are made with a mouth diaphragm call. Use what you know...
I don't think the are I picked out is high enough for elk...the tips of the peaks are only 8000 feet and most of it is from 5 to 6 thousand. I'm a little concerned there ain't going to be anything but deer there.
I don't think the are I picked out is high enough for elk...the tips of the peaks are only 8000 feet and most of it is from 5 to 6 thousand. I'm a little concerned there ain't going to be anything but deer there.
You can find elk in bald ass sagebrush flats.
Uh Oh - Here we go again, lets see who bites.
This bites for a Montana elk
I'm hunting a unit that's almost entirely 4,000 ft this year. Been there twice so far and have seen almost 20 bulls.
Bring your snow boots. Snowed the last couple nights in the Crazies and the Castles down to 8k feet. Still snowing in the Castles when I drove through White Sulfur an hour ago.
Jaquomo...how's the fish biting?
Didn't fish. I was looking for a bull for you. Might be ice fishing by the time you get here, the way this fall is shaping up
Snowed in Jackson WY yesterday. What do you have for camping gear TeeBeeM?
By the way.... 5000 feet is plenty. The Mile High Club isn't what you think. And in Wyoming the mulies are always higher than the elk so you got that backasswards.
I got a tarp. I was thinging going lean too if the weather is ok or maybe building a teepee and wrapping it around that and build a fire inside and let the smoke escape out the top. I have not tested that and not sure it will work but I just might add live.
Man, I wish somebody would go along to film this- like a reality show." Hillbilly Elk Hunting"
I love Elk Rap so much I reposted it: It helps me get the elk groove on!!!
Soon TBM will leave Alabam, with Simmons sharp and sighted in on ham, All the Bowsiter's tremble in fear, that TBM might arrow something bigger than a deer, Seeking the respect that some know he deserve, turkeys have him ahead of the normal learning curve, He is use to shooting hearts the size of a penny, when the elk stands at 60, he''ll shoot him in the hiney, He will run a few feet and then he will fall, like Charlie Brown when Lucy pulls the ball,
He has got his feet like cordavan leather, he can start a fire by rubbing them together, He's trained at sea level with his altitude mask, soon you will see he belongs in a different class, so stick around and you will see, when Lucy pulls the ball on the mighty wapiti. He's not packing any food because he is leading a goat, thinking surely I'll look good in a elk skin coat, He's not afraid of mountian lions bears or a tick, because he is armed with his Alabama hickory stick, He didn't drive all they way out here just to sight see, he came to watch Lucy pull the ball on the mighty wapiti
TBM is either a manipulative, total genius or a complete boob. And if he is a boob, it's definitely a 44 Triple D
And that's the part that irks everyone. Nobody knows for sure. The end of elk season may shed some light on the truth. But it will likely just perpetuate the mystery.
Must. Fight. Urge. To. Keep. Checking. This. Thread.
"Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent."
One thing I can appreciate about TBM is he doesn't seem to fit into that mold. I think you gotta read between the lines a little. Don't be fooled by a little poor grammar and misspellings. They skip kindergarden over there in Alabama. You can't hold that against him.
This thread beats the heck out of the "which broad head is best thread". I am looking forward to getting home from my hunt and seeing how this plays out.
This thread is pretty dead now and I will give TBM credit. He is good at not getting pinned down when pressured.
"He is good at not getting pinned down when pressured"
That's because the self-proclaimed next level thinker is acting like an elk.
Odds are swinging. I'm mastering the elk calls and getting in shape and finally loosing some pounds.
Just ran into a couple seasoned elk hunters at the store. When I told them my plans to bivi hunt in a bear area they had the same expression as if I told them I was going to jump out of a plane without the a parashoot. I bought a Turkey call and got the bugle drown in 2 minutes and close on he cow call. Big Dans blast is next.
2 minuets wow. Your an expert now. Good luck
Theme song for a new hunting show called the Alabama Hillbilly sung to the tune of the Beverly Hillibillies
Let me tell ya'll a story about a man named TB Master He's heading out west where it could be a big disaster In a few days he'll be huntin with his bow When out of the sky will come a thing called snow Cold that is, freezing cold The first thing you know he'll crying for his mammy So he'll jump in the truck and head back to Alabamie Turkeys, whitetails,...
Please Jesus. let me run into TBM this year. Since Obama has been in office I have not had a good laugh. Expect to see him sitting out a elk roost high in the rockys with his banjo and bottle of shine.
Wouldn't it be something if TBM comes back with a P&Y bull. LMAO Boy wouldn't that be something though
If he hunts where I think he's planning to hunt, I wouldn't bet against anything. He got some tips from somebody, and they apparently steered him straight. Elk are there. Now it will be up to him to find them and close the deal. I've seen it done before, by less-determined hunters than he appears to be.
I hope he gets one but we will never hear the end of it and maybe even learn of a new blaster type kill shot.
...well, at least we don't have to worry about seeing pics of the dead elk. He's bow-killed, like 2,515 turkeys and we've seen photos of maybe four of them. :-)
So, TBM, have you picked the date when you're headed west, and how long you'll be able to stay?
Jaqamo helped me settle on the date...I'll be going a little later than I had originally planned. I will leave on about the 8th. I should get to hunt bu the 11th at the latest. I'll hunt 10 days and could squeeze out another if I needed too. Later might help with the weather...I really need cold to preserve game. I could be packing as far as 4 miles where I'm going and that could take a full day to get one out. I'm working on my calling and I've come up with some calls I'm sure the elk have never heard. It a basically a gobbler in distress followed by a flydown raspy cackle but blown into an elk call.
"I've come up with some calls I'm sure the elk have never heard. It a basically a gobbler in distress followed by a flydown raspy cackle but blown into an elk call."
I'm crying....
"I've come up with some calls I'm sure the elk have never heard. It a basically a gobbler in distress followed by a flydown raspy cackle but blown into an elk call."
I got a nice bull in Wy all fired up one year, while practicing my turkey calls.
at least he got the bugle drown
Like elk, TBM is where you find him
I've heard they bugle at the sound of a train horn, car door slamming or a crow so im sure a raspy cackle will work. O wait wrong animal. TBM I'd stick to your sleazy cow call.
I've had them bugle at the sound of an ATV shutting off. Lots of times. For real. And I've then called them into bow range while hiding behind said red Honda.
TBM, you might practice making a loud "motor" sound through your tube and see if it draws a response.
He will get an elk, and possibly much more. Being the top 2-3 accomplished hunters of all time (It seems no one else on the other thread could top 217 turkeys!)he is no doubt sponsored by one of the large archery/archery related companies. They will place him on a good ranch and make sure he is in the vicinity of one and from there his killer instincts and tracking spiders will see the feat through!
TBM, with the way you got your elk calling down your odds and getting much better. Don't forget your camera, I would like to see a picture of that bull you kill.
Crap, starting to spell like TBM now. Odds are getting much better.
The Vegas' sports books should really be running odds on this one... Give the touters something to talk about about!
I really truly hope that many of us end up eating crow and TBM brings home a bull instead of more bull$#!*.
R. Hale, I happen to think that TBM is a good guy at the end of the day and I want to see him and all archers be successful in pursuit of their dreams. Anyone that can hand out as much as he does and take as much as he does back in return is alright in my book. I'll give him credit where it's due just as quickly as I'll give him chit where is it's due. If I get tired of it I just don't read/respond to his posts. No one is forcing him on us but us.
Very well said Brotsky. Unfortunately some are too full of themselves or for other lame reasons just will never accept what you just said.
Franzen,
You are correct. Many on this thread have accomplished much and say little about it. Others have accomplished nothing but have much to say about their skill.
Like him or not. I appreciate the effort he's putting in. Sometimes I can handle reading his posts and sometimes not, but that's my choice. Good luck TBM if your coming through South Dakota, Ill buy you a beer.
R. Hale, would you please be so kind to explain what an accomplishment is, and just who on this thread has accomplished nothing as you say?
No, the answers to your questions are self evident. If you need to ask...
It seems odd to me that some of the people arguing about the content of TBM'S postings are guilty of bringing them to the top time and time again.
Amen , Franzen and sureshot.
I do need to ask... I would like to know whom on this thread you believe has accomplished nothing. Some folks do seem to have an ego, and some carry it better than others. I don't know the guys on this thread personally, but as a group of passionate bowhunters, something tells me that I wouldn't find a one that has accomplished nothing.
has anyone heard from TBM since he cut the green wire?
Hey, Pat what is the record for posts, he might just get the new record. lol
Just tuned in to this one. Not sure why I waited so long. Very entertaining as usual.
95% 95% 95% 5%
I'm sure he's fine. Just like his elk hunt he's been training for electrical shock for years. I found this pic of TBM as boy.
Sandbrew
GOD forbid if TBM kills a big bull; because then he may morph into Total Bull Master! :)
>>>>-------->
He's already the Total Bull Master :)
He reminds me of a cross between Obama (always stirring the pot and seeking attention), Jeff Foxworthy (humor), Kyle Bush(great hunter but lets his personality override his accomplishments) and maybe even a little Einstein in his blood(next level thinking). But you just have to love the humor and next level thinking and ignore the Obama in him.
That does resemble me as a kid but I used a hairpin instead of a knife. I remember it like it was yesterday...actually better because I don't remember much about yesterday. It exploded that hairpin and smutted up the reciprocal. It didn't even blow a fuse...they made stuff good back then. Now you can just pee on one and if it has one of those GFBI's it will kill the power...hunk a junk. I just got done knocking out 9 miles between riding to the gym and getting 5 on the treadmill. Feeling good...looking like crap, just the way I like it.
Time is winding down...10 days of prep left. I feeling the improvements in health and stamina and my calling is more than likely good enough to call in any bull that can be called. Several on here...I just got interrupted by the fire marshal...thanks tonyo...svveral called luck if I kill one. It want be luck. There is no such thing. I do have a delimma. I don't think I need to shoot a leas than 300 inch bull. I think I can put enough animals in front of me that one should be a pig...3 to 350. I just don't think shooting the first animal is a good representation of my skills.
Good luck. Just when I thought I had enough of TBM, he says something that cracks me up.
Fire marshal said the A faze was trailing the Bfaze and trying to catch up on my frig.
If you are going where you said you where going you better shoot the first legal bull you see. I get to live and breath Montana elk hunting every year 25 plus days a year. I have been in on 33 elk bow kills and 2 of those where over 300. It happens every year, but for me and my crew hunting pressured public land. You had better take what the good lord gives ya. Good luck . HUNT
Count me in as a fan. Pat should love him too as he causes participation. He is a character who is capable of playing some people like puppets. He is thick skinned and WAY smarter than most see, but many have recognized this.
TBM brings comedic relief to bowsite. One just needs to not take things so seriously.
There is no doubt in my mind that TBM is top notch hunter. I wish him well on his hunt.
TBM,
What shot distance will you try to pull off? 50, 60, 70, 100? Don't be taking any close shots. Use next level shooting. ;o)
I'm saying a 60 yard ham blaster that he thought was 35 because he didn't realize how much bigger an elk is than a turkey.
happygolucky, I think your post is pretty much right on. I enjoy most of the threads folks post on this site. TBM included.
What are the odds we will see a pic of TBM with the rack, back straps, a mountain?
There is a chance.....but low odds.
I'm going out on a limb here and say the odds are 100% he kills a bull elk. Ha ha
This thread is mysteriously quite...LOL, I wonder why? Mike
'Cause the crow is being served Mike !
There's fried crow, sautéed crow, crow shikabobs, crow soup, grilled crow, boiled crow, and baked crow....yea that's about it....
Yep... I can't resist letting the cat out of the bag any longer.
Guess what ya'll.... TEEE BEEE Em got himself an elk!
Got a text from the ol boy yesterday that said... "Packing one out. Tough"
That's it. I texted back but no reply.
Would you naysayers like your crow grilled or crispy!
I guess those online anatomy lessons may have paid off after all. That next level thinking thing may have something to it after all. If he dropped an Elk I will not doubt him again...............Well maybe sometimes.... I guess many of us will eat a healthy serving soon enough
;o)
What color dodge does he drive?? I may have seen the good ol boy
The odds are 100% that TBM gets an Elk
Sounds like crow for dinner! Good job TBM.
"Packing one out" .... didnt he say he was getting a mule deer tag too...?
Crickets lol Been a fan for a long time and only find it fitting that he has shut uo the snooty bow site crowd.
If he did kill an elk good for him but I wouldn't read too deeply into "packing one out" if that is the only message he sent. Sounds cryptic to me.
How do you like him know?............
I like him the same as before - not even a little.
Not at all... I just don't get excited about a guy who goes and slings a bunch of arrows at animals, wounds one, and then keeps hunting. Very irresponsible. Every state should have a law that requires you to punch your tag if you draw blood. Might stop such deplorable behavior as TBM.
No, I'm not an elitist. I just believe the animal deserves more respect than was shown by TBM.
Yes, I have made a bad shot and yes I have lost animals. Yes, I punched my tags and went home. My fellow hunters and the animals deserve that.
Thats what General Lee said....
TBM, so you're back. Whats the scoop? Elk kill pics?
Adventurewriter, are you referring to the man, or the car? ;-)
yep.......we need more laws.......we're all to stupid to make our own decisions....they should be made for us, by our government.....that's what they're there for.
nobody is trying to wound animals, but it happens......he did everything he could to find it.
Drawing blood doesn't put meat in my freezer......it amazes me how many people forget that hunting isn't just a sport.
I don't know the guy, but very few people even attempt what he did and of those that try I believe it is well over 90% that fail. Archery, rifle, bulls, and cows combines success rate is 20%
Well done TBM.....
.Hmmm a guy from New York wants more laws. Lol
Love the hollier than though attitudes
Hunting isn't just a sport but driving half way across the nation, driving by millions of animals, just to fling arrows is not exactly meat hunting by necessity. I'm not for more government but its just disappointing when people can't self regulate their behavior.
Words of TBM "Everything I ever learned went in the garbage I I just started flinging arrows. One or two hit the bull and he looked hurt pretty bad but kept on going . Not much blood but a fair amount."
"That sucker hipmotized with his antlers. He dropped down in a dip and all I could see was horns bobbing up and down and I couldn't take my eyes off of them. My first arrow went between his horns. I burgled him up..that was awesome."
.Hmmm a guy from New York wants more laws. Lol
Love the hollier than though attitudes
.Hmmm a guy from New York wants more laws. Lol
Love the hollier than though attitudes
I'm sure TBM really is tore up about all the hurt feelings, He was honest and forthright and I admire him.for that. Oh and he walked the talk and for most people that would enough to.shut down the negative.
"but its just disappointing when people can't self regulate their behavior"....yeah, Link, I know what you mean.
LOL! So....people crack on TBM about killing an elk. I have given him crap at times too but lets be honest...if he killed an elk he called his shot. He deserves major credit.
So.....he kills one (I assume anyway) and now it is about him evidently wounding one ( I have no idea where this came from as I am not wrapped up in all of his threads) and not punching his tag and quitting. What's next? Crack on him for his choice of sandpaper for his feet? Too coarse or too fine? If it is not the law to tag an animal you wounded there is absolutely nothing illegal about continuing to hunt.
This whole saga reminds me of when the Jefferson's moved into Archie's neighborhood. An easterner killing an elk on his first trip, beating the odds and destroying a bunch of stereotypes in the process. My hat is off to him if he got it done. Congrats.
Don't get us started on the "if it's legal then it's OK crap". There are many things that are legal that shouldn't be.
I do agree that we don't need more laws. We do need more responsible hunters.
Words of TBM "Everything I ever learned went in the garbage I I just started flinging arrows. One or two hit the bull and he looked hurt pretty bad but kept on going . Not much blood but a fair amount." This was a bull he did not find.
Yeah, let's all bow down and worship the guy that did this. Makes hunters look like idiots.
You guys really think it's that hard to go on a DIY hunt and be successful? Not from my experience. Do your homework and prepare. Duh...
These TBM threads are more entertaining than soap operas!
My guess is TBM has hooked some more fish.
Terry I don't recall that post. But I have to say that you can't take TBM too serious. He is good at pushing people buttons. He is... The Button Master. lol
If he said that I doubt very seriously that he meant it. If he did I couldn't agree with you more but I don't think so. I don't buy all that crap about hamblasters either. who could take that seriously?
Got a text today... "Finally got him packed and headed home"
Accompanied by this pic. That ain't no mule deer!
Sorry for letting the cat out of the bag Steve but I just couldn't resist. I'm sure you're saving the good stuff for your fan club. lmfao
Seems like a wiseman said it before, but Killers are Killers. Some people just have the ability to get it done while others sit at home and type on their computers.
And some get it done and type on their smartphones and computers. Otherwise this site wouldn't exist and there sure wouldn't be a TBM
NYbowman must have cases upon cases of hatergade ha
all the guys who had low odds need to say congrats to TBM "hes ods is wun hndred percent"
I told him congrats on both of his bulls!
Odds will be much higher on his next hunt.
