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olebuck 16-Apr-15
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smurph 16-Apr-15
Martin Man 16-Apr-15
rooster 16-Apr-15
LINK 16-Apr-15
jims 16-Apr-15
soloman 16-Apr-15
Barty1970 16-Apr-15
NvaGvUp 16-Apr-15
drew 16-Apr-15
PAbowhunter 16-Apr-15
Ed 16-Apr-15
olebuck 16-Apr-15
wyobullshooter 16-Apr-15
Elkaddict 16-Apr-15
Truckie 16-Apr-15
Ward's Outfitters 16-Apr-15
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r-man 16-Apr-15
midwest 16-Apr-15
sticksender 16-Apr-15
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patdel 16-Apr-15
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earlyriser 16-Apr-15
olebuck 17-Apr-15
JLS 17-Apr-15
bugslinger 17-Apr-15
Cliff 17-Apr-15
Rocky D 17-Apr-15
JLS 17-Apr-15
Z Barebow 17-Apr-15
huntmaster 17-Apr-15
Amoebus 17-Apr-15
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caribou77 17-Apr-15
patdel 17-Apr-15
Bownarrow 17-Apr-15
YZF-88 17-Apr-15
Carnivore 17-Apr-15
kellyharris 18-Apr-15
midwest 18-Apr-15
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DonVathome 18-Apr-15
Owl 18-Apr-15
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JLS 19-Apr-15
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From: olebuck
16-Apr-15
Here is where im at.

Started elk hunting when I was 25 and I was in good shape - Decent shape by bowsite standards. I could jog three miles with my badlands pack - in 27 min. in the MS july heat.

I am now in the worst shape I've ever been in. 31 years old 5'8 175 lbs. all Gut. I don't drink alcohol, but I have a vice for red meat and good food. I'm in the meat business and I specialize high grade Kobe beef sales so im always entertaining with good food. I cook 4-5 times a week - and eat like a freaking garbage can.

I need a change - I need a life style change - I need a 3 day work out that I can start on. something I can do. I don't have access to a gym other than a local $50/ month basic gym - which is not my style. What work outs can you guys recommend that I start on?

I can pretty much handle the diet part.

Please share what motivates you and what has worked to keep you active.

From: Bill in MI
16-Apr-15
P90x3 and running.

Went from nothing to a half marathon in less than 6 months last year.

Motivation has to come from within though. My main inspiration is being around longer for my 6 year old (I'll be 41 this year). My secondary inspiration relates to hating feeling tired/low energy split with a desire to run with the elk.

I'm not that strong but have signed up with Midwest for a tough mudder here in a month or so and full marathon the 1st weekend in June.

It can be done if you REALLY want it.

Bill

From: smurph
16-Apr-15
start jogging. I started at two miles 3 times a week a few years ago. hated it at first but did because I love hunting and felt bad about the way I was sliding physically. Amazingly after a few months I started to enjoy it and have no problem going five miles three times a week. Give it a try you might find it is better than you think. just my experience not an expert. tim

From: Martin Man
16-Apr-15
I have been Running 3 miles one day, and then doing a 30 minute weight routing with a hour walk in my boots with my pack on. In three weeks a huge difference. Soon I want to move up to using the P90x3 or insanity.

I also like the free my fitness pal app. It helps a lot with the diet.

From: rooster
16-Apr-15
Jogging X 2 if you have good knees, if not get on a bike. Never stop pedaling, pick a cadence or speed that works for you. No coasting. Also start doing push-ups and sit-ups alternately. Do a set of push-ups and then a set of sit-ups. Start with 10 reps each and work your way up from there until your doing a couple hundred (total) of each. P90X has a variety of different push ups, so vary as you go. Elk hunting should be what's motivating you plus the fact that you want to live a good long life!

From: LINK
16-Apr-15
To get rid of the gut or at least help you might try to make your day more active. Make sure your not sitting on your duff in front of the TV eating Cheetos. To get back to elk shape is going to require determination and discipline. It's hard to burn enough calories through exercise alone, unless your working out multiple hours a day, to lose significant weight. The weight loss is going to come down to your eating habits. The good news is at 5'8" 175# I bet your not as rotund as you think you are. I graduated high school back in the day as a four sport letterman with six pack abs at 5'9" 167, now if I could just get the determination and discipline I talk about maybe I could drop 20 lbs. :)

From: jims
16-Apr-15
Is there an area near you with a decent place to hike, fish, climb, etc? There is nothing better than putting a pack on and using the same leg, lung, and back routine that you will use while hunting! If you have an area near you where you can do something you enjoy in the outdoors it will make it a lot easier to keep at it! I bought a Hobie Pro Angler that I peddle rather than paddle,....talk about a great leg workout! A 2 mile trek around a lake is great excercise and I get to catch fish! Another option is to antler shed hunt. It's like Christmas finding sheds and an incredible way to get a leg and lung workout! There are so many options available if you are willing to think outside the box! A gym might be ok but nothing beats excercising in the outdoors!

From: soloman
16-Apr-15
I've tried it all and besides hiking in the mountains the best thing I have found to get in bad azz shape is a bike.

Buy the nicest bike you can afford and keep working on longer rides and steeper hills. Before you know it you will be in the best shape of you're life. Riding 40 to 60 miles at a time now with some steep climbs here and there and I can pretty much do whatever I want out in the hills.

From: Barty1970
16-Apr-15
This shows why Bowsite is such a great site; bowhunters helping bowhunters

From: NvaGvUp
16-Apr-15
See the Sheep Shape seminar Pat put up as a Bowsite Feature last June.

Then send me a PM and we'll set up a time to talk on the phone.

Kyle

From: drew
16-Apr-15
As for motivation - is there an active sport you like to play such as soccer, basketball, hockey, ultimate, lax? Not softball or golf but something where you have to run your butt off? If so, join a weekly league. Playing that first game when you are out of shape will make you NOT want to do it again. It gives you the motivation to get in better shape for your next game and the next one after that...

As for how to get in shape - I recommend doing ALL of the things the guys above listed. I think doing a variety of things is way more interesting than just running or just biking. I, personally, like Tabata, HIIT or Crossfit style workouts - there are plenty of examples of all of these on youtube. These kind of workouts can often be done with minimal or no equipment and in short time frames (20 minutes of a good high-intensity workout is a GREAT workout).

I also like to mix in mountain biking, trail running and the absolute BEST torture - RUNNING HILLS.

Good luck.

From: PAbowhunter
16-Apr-15
https://extremeelk.com/simple-workout-for-elk-hunters-by-mark-skousen

This is a basic full-body workout that won't take too much time. You'll need cardio too, but this will get your metabolism jump-started and build strength.

From: Ed
16-Apr-15
I've been rucking 3-4 days a week 3-5 miles at a time. Started with a 40lb bag of water softener salt in the load sling of my pack. Kept adding weight every couple weeks and am up to 75lbs now. Its helped me get the fit of my pack dialed in and now I know it fits comfortably with a load similar to an elk quarter. I can haul it around for a couple hours without back pain. I always ruck through a park and drop my pack and do some sprint intervals on the grass, I've read its good for burning fat. I also have a 40 yd range in my back yard. After I shoot a quiver of arrows I grab a pair of 20# dumbbells and do walking lunges to the target, pull the arrows, and walking lunges back, also mix in bear crawls. Since I already have the dumbbells I throw in a few sets of standing dumbbell presses, sumo squats with 1 40lb dumbbell, and burpees. Its fun so its easy to find the time so I have no problem getting motivated to workout. Lost about 10 lbs and have another 10 to get to where I want to be. Its not extreme but I like it and feel it simulates a lot of the stresses and skills I will endure elk hunting.

From: olebuck
16-Apr-15
I'm starting TODAY.

will go for a jog tonight.

Eating habits are about to change.

Last year I did pretty good in Idaho - but the outside of my knee's were killing me.

I'm drawn for NM Unit 9 this year and I'm not having any excuses.

16-Apr-15
doesn't matter what it is....just find it and make it part of your daily life.

My hatred of getting out of shape and then having to get back into shape is what keeps me doing it day in and day out. If I miss a week I damn near start having panic attacks.

16-Apr-15
"Please share what motivates you and what has worked to keep you active."

What motivates me is my deep burning obsession with bowhunting elk. At 61yrs old, I know that in order to keep doing what I love, for as long as I possibly can, I need to keep in shape. It's all about mindset. YOU have to want it! Whether it's stamina, strength, or both, set your goals and don't let anything stand in your way. You say you need a lifestyle change? You're the only one that can change your lifestyle. Excuses are easy, determination is harder. As Josie Wales famously said, "you gotta get mean, mad dog mean".

My son has 3 young boys, so his time is rather limited. He did a program called Insanity, and now does Insanity 2. His workouts are killers, but it's done at home and doesn't take lots of time. He's 5'7", 185lbs, 8% body fat, and strong as an ox. It works. The hardest step is the first one.

From: Elkaddict
16-Apr-15
Honestly I didn't read all the answers so I apologize if this is repetition. The best full body exercise you can do is push yourself away from the table. Portion control. I tell EVERY one of my clients if you are only going to do one thing, learn how to eat right and do it. You can't out train bad nutrition.

From: Truckie
16-Apr-15
We did a 30 day fitness program on here at the beginning of the year. All workouts were designed with tools almost all bowhunters should have on hand. It was also designed so you could tailor it to your level. Search daily fitness program and it should be the first to come up. If you want more help feel free to PM me

16-Apr-15
Give me a call I am a personal trainer and specialist in Nutrition, I can tell you how to eat and train and the weight will fall off . 520-404-5114

Steven Ward

From: woodguy65
16-Apr-15
Good advice above, I'm P90X and P90X3 fan plus running. The P90x3 would be the one for you to start on - its only 30 minute workout and it will get you in shape.

Also - google Nutri-Bullet - stuff it full of a variety of fruits in the morning and drink your breakfast.

From: r-man
16-Apr-15
I put on 20lbs in the mid region when I hit 40yrs old, doesn't change things much, go fishing when your not hunting, and say no to pasta

From: midwest
16-Apr-15
I know several guys who workout religiously but they're still fat. Listen to Elkaddict.

And it's not about starving yourself, it's about eating several small meals per day consisting of high quality protein and carbs along with lots of veggies.

Like said....it's a lifestyle.

From: sticksender
16-Apr-15
wyobullshooter nailed it pretty well....you simply have to truly want it. Then you'll need no secret formula. No gadgets, no fancy-named diets. You'll simply eat correctly and exercise daily, and be on your way.

From: gil_wy
16-Apr-15
I got a Fitbit for Christmas and thought it was dumb... Started wearing it about a month ago when one of my teachers challenged me. Now, it's like a giant guilt trip I wear proudly. It's not the end all, be all in fitness but it sure slaps you in the face when you have a lazy day!

From: patdel
16-Apr-15
Steven that go for all of us fatties?

From: patdel
16-Apr-15
Double post. Not sure why that keeps happening

From: stealthycat
16-Apr-15
nothing is easier to access than running - shots/shirts/pair of shoes - go!

I know it aint fun - but few things burn calories faster or gets you in shape.

Start slow, work up, set goals etc. After my ACL surgery a few years back I was reduced to "running" 100 yards and that took months. YOU CAN DO IT - get dedicated to it

From: earlyriser
16-Apr-15
How would you know if you've drawn unit 9 in NM? Results are not up yet. Anyway, good luck trimming up. You will be thankful you did both in longevity of life and chasing elk:)

From: olebuck
17-Apr-15
I applied for the Draw - but have Unit wide Landowner tags in my pocket :)

From: JLS
17-Apr-15
Just remember, when you feel like skipping a workout or over indulging in good food, every day you do something positive makes a difference.

It took you years to get this way, don't expect it to change overnight. Learn to eat clean and control portions. Learn to look forward to your workouts.

My driving inspiration and motivation is that I want to be bowhunting elk in the high country when I'm 80. That would leave me with 37 more elk seasons to go.

Ease into it slow and let your body adjust. Nothing derails good intentions faster than an injury one week into your program. Build in rest days, and don't go all super intensive right off the bat. Build in some strength training of some sort, even if it's just body weight exercises like squats, pushups, pullups, walking lunges, etc.

From: bugslinger
17-Apr-15
http://www.spartan.com/

Daily workouts and great, healthy recipes.

From: Cliff
17-Apr-15
Well your young and it won't take you long to get back in shape as if you were 64 like me. I went sheep hunting in Wyoming last year. Rough physical hunt . Had been prepairing for it and other big game mountain hunts for the past 30 yrs. What worked for me was Push ups, sit ups, reverse push ups, leg lifts, some light weight, but most of all , hikiing with a weighted back pack. Start light and hike up steep terrain for a 1/2 hour to start . work up to 65 lbs in the pack, then extend the time and distance until you can go for 1 1/2 hr. Do this 4 times a week. ( with the pack) Just think of the muscle groups you are working, by doing this. Whats nice is you can change the route and avoid getting bored. The other exercises I mentioned do 5 days a week and build up to 45 reps 3 sessions . This worked for me. Get a mind set ,think about your hunt, picture the stalk, play different senarios in your head.

17-Apr-15
I totally believe in the "no pain, no gain" mentality. Some days I'm not looking forward to the extended periods of getting to where I'm feeling like I will die, puke, or both and then doing that longer than I think I can.... but it's sure good when I'm done and I mean it's like a drug what you feel like after a good workout....

I haven't worked out since Sunday but I was on a string of 5 in a row before that....I'm gonna regret that little break a later this morning as I'm kind of coasting along right just under my peak fitness levels.

I can still get in 3 days this week if I don't slack off...which I won't. I have a watch from Garmin that keeps track of everything...it's pretty cool for what I do. I know to the second how long it takes me to do everything....today, yesterday.....5 years ago.

I will also say that it took me years to get to where I am now.....I can blow away anything I could do 10 years ago and at that time I had been working out religiously for 5 years.

I would also add that no matter how good a shape you are in....if you don't live in and hike the mountains with a pack on during the year your gonna feel it in the mountains during elk season.

From: Rocky D
17-Apr-15
"I got a Fitbit for Christmas and thought it was dumb" I have seen several people achieve success by using this device.

Frankly, at 31 it will not be as hard as it seems.

You could easily walk yourself into elk shape between now and September.

Throw in a little running and you would be that much better off.

Throw some weight or crossfit type workout and you would be on the road to righteousness.

Without proper nutrition you will not achieve your desired results.

I do not know your history but if you were not athletic or never really do anything to develop your cardiovascular system then you will need to concentrate on developing a training base.

I see lots of people promoting PX90 but I am not really a fan of it for someone who does not have a firm foundation. Likewise, this could be said about crossfit.

I think you really need lifestyle overhaul and start doing activities that support your other activities. Running alone is overrated if not combined with some form of strength training.

Include some backpacking interspersed with some hills will help with the daily hump up the mountains.

Eat your meat, to many carbs or to many of the wrong carbs is the road ruin. Eating should be thought of as fuel for your activities. I find that the more mentally resilient you are reduces the reliance on food and other vices in dealing with day to day stress.

I know some will disagree but I like to look beneath the layers to determine why working out is not important, why would I sabotage my health overeating, and why am I not motivated to take care of myself?

There is to much information out there for us to continue on a course that will degrade our performance over time.

Look at the long term instead of fighting the yearly struggle of reinventing yourself annually.

From: JLS
17-Apr-15
Great advice Rocky.

From: Z Barebow
17-Apr-15

Z Barebow's Link
Plenty of great posts. And I will repeat many of the great points.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Don't try and whip yourself into shape in a day.

Soapbox- We have become an instant gratification society. If you want to change yourself, adjust your mindset for long term. Like JLS stated, it isn't just about this fall. It is about the rest of your life. I generally am not a fan of anything that will "change my life in XX days". Fitness or diet plans which follow this are rarely successful long term.

Not knowing your background. Start simple. Do SOMETHING for 20 minutes 3 times a week. What ever exercise that elevates your HR, holds it, and makes your sweat. Establish the habit first, then work from there.

Look at your diet. Look at food as fuel, not just something to make your taste buds happy. (Although the right choices can do both!). A good start is to cut out stuff that is white, and foods that come from a bag or a box.

I like Rocky D's comment (Probably because it strikes close to home). This is about a long term reinvention of yourself, not a patch. olebuck Rev 2.0!

Follow my embedded link. Look at we were before video games and crappy processed foods. Not a fattie in the bunch.

From: huntmaster
17-Apr-15
Great advise all over this thread.

FWIW,I like doing the Beachbody videos. I'm currently doing a self made combo of P90x3 and Insanity 3-4 days per week. It has done a good job of adding strength while not going bulk so far. As elk season nears, I'll likely switch to more Insanity to up the cardio some.

Longest video I do is 45 minutes and I get them in before work. I've done one video already while here at P&Y and will get another one in tomorrow morning.

As Nike says, Just do it!

17-Apr-15
I know a lot of people who do insanity and some of them are quite fit....impressively so.

I did 100 yard wind sprints (swimming) today at lunch for a full 30 minutes with 7-10 seconds rest in between 100's.....I thought I was going puke for sure.....and man that was good, I feel great now.

From: Amoebus
17-Apr-15
"I did 100 yard wind sprints (swimming) today at lunch for a full 30 minutes with 7-10 seconds rest in between 100's....."

That is a really good workout...unless you ended up with 2.

I am going to be backpacking out deer for my 80 year old pop come Oct. Now that I am at 50, I have to keep fit most of the year.

From: NvaGvUp
17-Apr-15

NvaGvUp's Link
I would absolutely NOT start out with wind sprints! Not EVER!

First, you need to build a base!

See the link. Then PM me after you've seen the seminar.

From: caribou77
17-Apr-15
Losing weight is EASY! And at 31 you should have NO trouble. But there are good ways to lose weight and bad ways to lose it.

A few easy tips. Don't drink your calories. Pop is terrible for you. (I love Mountain Dew, have 1 a day) Beer or any alcohol is bad as well. Sucks..... but true.Drink water....

Eat more veggies. Its amazing how many green beens you can eat and have very few calories! Heck a big can is like 80 calories....

Lift weights. TRUST ME you are NOT going to gain so much muscle you are going to actually gain weight. Simply cutting to many calories from a diet is hell on your body. And you will actually lose muscle before fat. We just did an 8 week program at work to see who could lose the highest percentage of body weight. Its laughable to see the guys that went from 220 to 180 in 8 weeks. NO shoulders, No arms, But guess what he still had, Belly fat.

Run. And run outside. Treadmills a) suck and b) are easy to quit. if you run a mile outside...you have to get home. That means another mile. If you run a mile on the treadmill....you can quit.

Don't quit. Simply put. YOU WILL hurt the 2nd day. Get off your ass and get moving. You will feel better. Guess what. Day 3 won't be any easier. Get off your ass.

Set a goal. I was 186 when I started our weight loss challenge at work.(lightest most in shape guy on the challenge) I set a goal of 170. I went to the gym 6 days a week. ate right and worked hard. By 7 weeks and 6 days I was at 169.

Buy a scale. A scale will show your results. So do tight jeans the fits loose after all the work. Veins in your arms pooping out after your work out and your woman not getting enough of you.

As far as motivation. Thats all you. Nothing can motivate you but you. You simply have to want it more than you want a candy bar. Or an icecream cone.

Figure out how many calories you take in on a normal basis and cut out 500 a day. Don't go crazy. You have to eat. I've seen guys that ate 3000 or better drop to 1200. In 3 days they are so tired they can't work. Or become sick. Its not a race.

Last bit of advice....CHEAT. I lost 60 pounds when I was 21 on the beer and pizza diet. Worked my ass off all week. Saturday and sunday I ate all the pizza and drank all the beer I wanted. Took 6 months but I lost 60 pounds. 17 years later I'm now the same weight.

This last 17 I lost I ate a candy bar here and there. I drank a pop a day. But I also would lift for an hour 5/6 days a week and run atleast 6 of those days.

There are no easy ways. Just like anything else in life, hard work will pay off.

From: patdel
17-Apr-15
This is a good thread.

From: Bownarrow
17-Apr-15
The first option if you are a single 31 year old is to find a swedish model and marry her. That should get you back down to 160lbs in a few months. Please report back on your progress. And provide pictures of your wife. If for some reason option #1 does not work out- don't beat yourself up for being overweight. Most people struggle with weight. You are young-if you have a favorite sport, as others have mentioned, get back involved in a league or regular workout. If you don't have a favorite sport, start with walking. Start at 1 mile, and work yourself up to 3-5 miles a day. It should take you about an hour per day. Moderate your eating. Steak is a great lean protein, but eat a smaller amount with a salad and vinegret and olive oil. I prefer to wash most meals down with red wine, but since you are not a drinker I won't be a bad influence. Elk hunting requires some discipline related to exercise and eating, but you can do it! Try to do the right thing (moderate eating and exercise) every single day. You should be walking, shooting your bow, working out, every day! It does not have to be much, but something. Just keep making progress. Good luck, and enjoy improving your life.

From: YZF-88
17-Apr-15
I like the insanity program. Good mix of core exercises and interval training. When I skip a day, I'll either run up hill or do shoulder rehab exercises for at least 1/2 hour. Those are my "off days". Moving forward my "off days" will incorporate loaded hikes.

I'm not a fan of the P90x program any more because I work so hard to put that muscle weight on and loose it a month into hunting season.

I will say that the past few years I've mentally matured to the point where I feel guilty if I don't do something. I'll be vegetating on the couch watching Talladega Nights and two minutes later something subconsciously clicks and I'm running to the top of the neighborhood. The hill is my "Katy Couric". I don't even remember putting on my running shoes. It just happens.

Has anybody else lost the desire to drink beer after becoming relatively fit? I did. It's weird especially since I was born and raised in Wisconsin.

From: Carnivore
17-Apr-15
YZF: That happened to me. For years my main deal was mountaineering and rock climbing. I trained constantly, and hard. Early on I noticed that when I drank, my recovery times from workouts increased. My body didn't want any part of it, and I quit drinking. I've been mostly dry ever since.

Two things in my life I am truly grateful for are mountaineering, followed by elk hunting. They have been my motivation for a lifetime of good fitness habits.

From: kellyharris
18-Apr-15
Eat a bacon cheese burger and drink two 40's

From: midwest
18-Apr-15
"Has anybody else lost the desire to drink beer after becoming relatively fit?"

No.

From: caribou77
18-Apr-15
"I will say that the past few years I've mentally matured to the point where I feel guilty if I don't do something. I'll be vegetating on the couch watching Talladega Nights and two minutes later something subconsciously clicks and I'm running to the top of the neighborhood. The hill is my "Katy Couric". I don't even remember putting on my running shoes. It just happens."

I have the same "problem". Though I don't know if its mental maturity. But at some point you are correct. Your body will crave the high from exercise.

From: DonVathome
18-Apr-15
Do not eat carbs followed by sugar, drink a TON of water before and during meals. Free weights and cardio (muscle burns fat even when you sleep and for a long time after a cardio workout stops).

Eat less.

From: Owl
18-Apr-15
"Has anybody else lost the desire to drink beer after becoming relatively fit?"

- Not me but moderation (functional abstinence) is aided in knowing sumo wrestlers consume beer with their meals. Tip of the day: If it shows up on a sumo wrestler's training table, it should be off yours.

From: NvaGvUp
18-Apr-15
Owl,

"If it shows up on a sumo wrestler's training table, it should be off yours."

Unless you want to have a 50" waistline and serious man boobs! ;^)

From: surfnturf
19-Apr-15
At 49yo Ive done it all kinds of different ways including nothing. DON'T DO NOTHING. It will cost you an oppertunity. That said, Crossfit has been the most effective hands down and its fun. You dont get in a rut. The only warning is you cant do those workouts everyday or you will end up hurt. I think strong legs are more important that Cardio endurance for elk hunting so lifting is a good idea. As for your body habitus, LIFT WEIGHTS. take a look around the gym and notice how many big boys and girls can grind a treadmill or stairmaster into the ground then do a Zumba class and never change the way they look. Then there is the 80%diet20%exercise rule. That is the hardest one. Sounds like a Paleo style diet would fit your lifestyle.

From: TODDY
19-Apr-15
"Unless you want to have a 50" waistline and serious man boobs!" That said, they would always have good deals on your size clothing on Camofire. They are always sold out of my size. Haha! I definitely agree on the nutrition. Does anyone know of a good eating guide resource? TODDY

From: JLS
19-Apr-15
Toddy,

Probably one of the best things you can do to help your diet is simply cut out the refined sugars you eat. We try to keep our daily sugar intake to about 25 g per day. This isn't much. There are lots of hidden sugars.

We try to eat as many whole/unprocessed foods as we can. Fresh fruit and veggies, nuts, dried fruits w/o sugar, greek yogurt, oats, lean meats, whole grain breads, brown rice, quinoa, etc.

From: Paul@thefort
19-Apr-15
You asked, "what motivates you".

That is easy. I am 75 and if I still want to solo or even just elk hunt, I better work out, be active, watch one's diet, and legs and lungs, on a daily basis.

It is a lot easier if you are in 80% shape year around, and then you only have to step up 20% three month prior to elk season.

I figure, I have 5 -6 more years of "quality" elk hunting and I am going to make the best of those years as I can. Motivated? You bet.

And then all of the other advise you have received prior to this.

But all of the advise will go down the drain, if you are not motivated to make the change be it elk hunting or just LIFE.

My best, Paul

From: NvaGvUp
19-Apr-15
Too lose weight, eat smaller portions and eat only when you're hungry, not just because it's time to.

Make fitness a lifestyle choice! I did that when I was 29. That was 37 years ago and it was one of the best decisions I ever made.

From: kellyharris
19-Apr-15
For the record BEER "Natures Necture" is FAT FREE

From: NvaGvUp
19-Apr-15
But BEER has calories. Fat is of no issue.

From: gil_wy
20-Apr-15
Calories in vs. calories out... just have to account for those dang Summer Shandys! Damn you Leinenkuegel! :)

From: Mike Vines
20-Apr-15

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Well, I sat down to start writing a Fitness Book tonight, but I couldn't come up with anything to fill the pages. So instead, I brainstormed to come up with the ultimate Newsletter. Anyone have ideas on how to market it? I'll split the profits with you 50/50

From: midwest
20-Apr-15
Mike, I would replace bullet #1 with "Eat Better".

From: CJE
20-Apr-15
Diet is a big part to losing weight and feeling better. I would not only suggest a workout routine but there are many apps out there for your phone or computer that can help you count calories with your daily diet. It's amazing how many calories a person can consume in one day and not even realize it. Do your best to eat several small healthy meals throughout the day and stick to your calorie goal. It's not bad to have 1 cheat day here and there to keep yourself sane but work your hardest to eat healthy and get at least a few good cardio or weight workouts In a week. Track your progress to motivate yourself to keep going. It's a great feeling to see yourself transform and it's a terrific motivational tool.

As far as workouts go, bodybuilding.com has many different workouts for all levels of training and a lot of them can be done in your own home, you just need to find one that fits your liking and overall fitness goal. Good luck!

From: shade mt
21-Apr-15
Believe it or not you can eat like a horse and still stay in shape, as long as you burn as much as you take in.

I'm living proof of that. I DO! eat like a horse.

If you have access to the mts, get in them and walk,as often as you can lots of uphill, downhill.

i can't get into the jogging down the road routine, too boring.

Also you do not need a gym. Pushups and situps, been doing them before bed since i was 16, i'm now 50

last night i did 75 pushups, brushed my teeth then did 25 more, then walked into the bedroom and did another 25 then 50 situps.

hiking in the mts is enjoyable and exercising every night before bed only takes a couple minutes.

I'll take my steak medium rare. thank you.

From: Hellrazor
21-Apr-15
Look into PALEO and try one of those 30 minute workouts.

From: Bigpizzaman
21-Apr-15

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Don't look for short-cuts or fad diets, I'm a Professional eater like you, just eat clean when you can and do SOMETHING physical daily!

21-Apr-15
"If it shows up on a sumo wrestler's training table, it should be off yours."

I don't eat much fish bait....

From: Bigpizzaman
21-Apr-15

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From: bowriter
22-Apr-15
LOL- You ready for some realism? You are a pig. It is that simple. You eat too much. You do not excercise enough. Do pushups...push up away from the table.

I know, this is nothing new to you. You know this is fact. You are just what so many of us are...a pig. You cannot quit eating at a normal portion.

You do not need a trainer. You need a keeper. If you can't admit this and get treatment, there is no hope. Not one word anyone has posted is going to help you unless you can quit eating. Cut back 1,500 calories a day for 30 days.....but wait, you can't do that, can you? There is not one single piece of advice on this thread that will help you because you won't follow it.

Consult a nutritonist. Make sure what you do is healthy. Any diet plan will work. But you cannot stick with it, can you? No, like so many of us, you are a pig. Until you can admit that and work to cure it, go on. Pig out. There is always tomorrow.

Or is there?

From: midwest
22-Apr-15
Don't sugar coat it, John. lol

From: Paul@thefort
22-Apr-15
After reading all of this, I AM HEADING OUT FOR A VERY LARGE TRIPLE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM ON A SUGAR CONE! YEA, SOME SPRINKLES ON TOP, ALSO WITH HOT FUDGE.

From: JLS
22-Apr-15
pig.

From: TreeWalker
22-Apr-15
I have the FitBit HR. I can set buzz alarms to go off and these are helping me to have a schedule so wake and eat my meals at the same time every day. I do not watch the clock. The FitBit buzzes and then I know is lunch time, etc. Cuts down on snacking since am not wondering if should eat since I just wait for the buzz. I try not to skip meals as this messes with chemical levels in blood and muscles.

Another benefit for FitBit is can set milestones for steps taken each day, etc.

You can track water and calorie intake though I do not.

You can sync your FitBit to the PC and see your history of steps, sleep, blood pressure, etc. If you are a data geek, your will be pleased.

I bought the FitBit to monitor my sleep patterns which it does. I find myself being more active and eating less due to the FitBit.

One downside is you have to charge the FitBit after about 3 days. Could do this overnight though I want to track my sleep patterns so I tend to charge the FitBit each morning as get ready for work and have only run into "batter low" message a couple of times in the past several months.

From: elkmtngear
22-Apr-15
Eat elk (venison)

If you empty your freezer, you'll have a reason to justify your 2015 hunt!

Best of Luck, Jeff

From: NvaGvUp
22-Apr-15
At first, I thought bowriter was being way too hard on olebuck. Now I'm not so sure.

Twice I've encouraged him to view the Sheep Share seminar Pat put up as a Feature last summer. Pat recorded Dr. Sorg's and my presentation and as we finished, said, "Guys, that was incredible."

I also offered to personally coach him once he'd watched the seminar. I don't charge for personal coaching here, as many of you know. So he's got nothing to lose.

Yet I've not heard from him.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

From: olebuck
24-Apr-15
NvaGvUp - thanks but I'm getting there. I plan to check out the seminar on the plane today - don't have speakers on my PC here at the office.

I cut my portions - lost 4 lbs this week.

ran 3.5 miles once this week. took 31 min. was to busy to get anymore exercise in other than working on a roof.

Bowriter - your almost right, I'm not a pig - I'm a Freaking slaughter hog, I'm talking about I can do some damage at the table. and I can eat as many oreo's as you put in front of me. But I am doing better - my worst enemy is down time - I have to stay busy. got a quite a few projects lined up to keep my busy.

starting at my Gym 3 days a week when I return from Vegas

I leave for Vegas in an hour and have 4 really nice dinner meetings - and two cocktail parties. plan to eat right - and exercise while i'm there. I'm on the road.

thanks for the help guys.

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