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What week for Elk with the moon
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Contributors to this thread:
Houska 26-Jan-16
otcWill 26-Jan-16
AndyJ 26-Jan-16
Houska 26-Jan-16
wyobullshooter 26-Jan-16
YZF-88 26-Jan-16
midwest 26-Jan-16
LINK 26-Jan-16
Chasewild 26-Jan-16
WillPower400 26-Jan-16
Willieboat 26-Jan-16
ElkNut1 26-Jan-16
Jaquomo 26-Jan-16
cnelk 26-Jan-16
Jaquomo 26-Jan-16
WapitiBob 26-Jan-16
John Haeberle 29-Jan-16
ElkNut1 29-Jan-16
'Ike' (Phone) 29-Jan-16
From: Houska
26-Jan-16
If you had one week for Wyoming to hunt would you pick the 9th-19th or 16th-26th. The full moon this year falls on the 16th. What week do you think the bulls will be more vocal. Keep in mind, I don't have to kill the herd bull, just looking for a good hunt with a chance at callable elk.

From: otcWill
26-Jan-16
16th-26th. Moon is a non-issue

From: AndyJ
26-Jan-16
Lots of talk about this in the past. IMO the moon is the least important factor you should use in determining when to hunt. I've hunted plenty of full moons and no moons and it really doesn't make much, if any, difference. Are those dates right? the 9th-12th? If they are correct I would pick your second dates based on time alone. If I were you I would pick the later dates only because it seems like the rut has been getting later every year. With that said, I have had some amazing early season hunts. It really depends on the year. Whatever time you choose, there will be positives and negatives you just have to learn what they are and adapt ASAP.

From: Houska
26-Jan-16
Sorry, should be 9th-19th

26-Jan-16
Agree 100% with otcWill and Andy. I'd also go the 16-26th, regardless of moon phase. As they stated, moon phase is the last thing I worry about. Weather and hunting pressure have a FAR greater effect. As far as bugling, that's a crap shoot. Although later normally equates to a better chance of bulls being vocal, it varies from year. There've been years where bulls were bugling good early, then shut down for no apparent reason for the rest of the month.

From: YZF-88
26-Jan-16
Each year I'm liking the last week of the season more and more. By then it's cooler and all the hunters are burned out and gone. Both of those factors wyobullshooter spoke of in the previous post.

From: midwest
26-Jan-16
I like to hunt during the full moon. That way I have an excuse as to why I didn't kill anything. ;-)

From: LINK
26-Jan-16
I wouldn't listen to any of these guys that posted above. I bet they only average 1 elk a year a piece. :) I wouldn't listen to Jaquemo or cnelk either. Either way go have fun chasing elk.

From: Chasewild
26-Jan-16
Moon is irrelevant. Pressure on the bulls will dictate the calling.

From: WillPower400
26-Jan-16
16th - 26th. Most biologists will tell you to hunt around the 23rd if the season permits.

Full moon has been very good to me for several years now...............Good luck!

From: Willieboat
26-Jan-16
I prefer to hunt the full moon..Tends to be really good during the middle of the day.

From: ElkNut1
26-Jan-16

During Full Moon times we really get excited as this is one of our favorite times to hunt elk as long as skies are fairly clear & not cloud covered. The closer to mid Sept to end of Sept the better. We've found the Rut trumps a Full Moon! We generally will locate elk at night or an hour before daylight off dirt/paved roads, we drive or if you're packed in it's good to call at these times for a bulls location. While still dark bulls often times bugle back to us from very long distances or from short distances. When elk are vocal while still dark they're in their feeding/watering/wallowing & nighttime bedding areas.

Once located, this area gives us a starting point come daylight! We will move towards them with good wind & get position, this will give you an edge come daylight, the moonlight sky helps so you don't need a headlamp but care must be taken as you trudge through the woods avoiding its many obstacles. It's up to us as hunters to use the best possible methods to either ambush them on trails as they exit or lure them in with calling that fits the encounter & phase of the rut, sometimes both ambush & calling are required!

Phase of the RUT is extremely important here, this helps us decide what tactics may work best for the mood of the elk! At this time I personally like taking care of business while they're still in their feeding areas if at all possible. You have about one hour generally to get in there & get it done before they head off to their daytime bedding areas, after that time you'll find yourself "dogging" the herd for 1+ miles!

If it doesn't pan out then, do your best to keep tabs on their movement as they head to daytime bedding areas, many times bulls will bugle their way towards bedding with the lead cow leading the way & avoiding possible confrontations with other vocal bulls. Finding those bedding areas has led to much of our success.

If not sure where they are or where the elk bedded, we then stake out the higher peaks where elevated perches offer us a listening advantage. We sit, listen snack & nap for a couple of hours, elk will eventually get up midday for light feeding & watering or re-position bedding to stay out of the moving sun especially on hot days, we like being within earshot of these areas when they start to move around. At this time it's possible for bulls to sound off, this will not only give away their immediate position but also their aprox bedding area as bulls will bugle right from or very near from their beds at this time!

Make mental notes of bedding areas, they can use the same areas yearly. Be willing to use Location sounds even at midday, this means both cow calling & bugling early afternoon to trigger a response, we use them sparingly at these times unless the rut is in full swing! Once elk are located we move in & work our magic! (grin)

ElkNut1

From: Jaquomo
26-Jan-16
I don't listen to me either. When I do, it confuses me more.

As for moon, what the others said. Hunt when you have the most time to hunt, and later can be better, or worse, depending upon where you're hunting. If the elk aren't there, doesn't matter if the moon is made of green cheese.

From: cnelk
26-Jan-16
This question comes up about every year. I searched for my post from almost 2 years ago to the day (Jan 20, 2014)

Here is my data. I haven't updated since but we have killed a bunch more elk since then.

For what it's worth....

"Since you asked...

I went thru this little exercise a few months ago with another guy who ran my numbers.

Me and my buddies have taken 22 elk [archery] in the past 10 years

16 harvests were in a moon phase of 50% visibility OR LESS [some were new moon, 1st quarter, etc] 6 harvests were in a moon phase of 90% visibility OR MORE [very near or at full moon]and quick research shows 3-4 days on either side of the full moon date have > 90% or more. Shall we say 7 days are 90% or more visibility? And approx 14 days have < 50%

Category Observed Expected # Expected

1 <50% 16 11 50.000%

2 >90% 6 6 27.273%

3 50-90% 0 5 22.727%

Chi squared equals 7.273 with 2 degrees of freedom. The two-tailed P value equals 0.0263

According to the analysis we did better than expected when the moon was dark, about what you would expect near a full moon, and less than you'd expect (zero) when the moon was out but not bright. It shows some evidence that it's better hunting during darker moon, but I wouldn't schedule a hunt around it.

Good luck"

From: Jaquomo
26-Jan-16
Brad, I use 3.14159 as my primary multiplier, which always brings us back full circle.

The majority of elk killed by my partner and myself were during the last week of the CO season, irrespective of moon phase. After much deep introspection, we concluded its because that was when we took our 10 day hunt when vacation days were limited.

During the years when we took the third week (we hunted all other weekends), most of our elk were killed during the third week. I screwed that up by going on a run of killing my bull the last couple days of the season, no matter which week we hunted.

Otherwise, whatever the moon phase was during those weeks was what it was when we killed the elk.

From: WapitiBob
26-Jan-16
I have never seen a difference in activity when hunting a good unit. They didn't bed any earlier, call less, or otherwise change their behavior.

There are guys that do see a difference so go with your gut.

29-Jan-16
Just a serious question for the biologists out there:

What are the proposed mechanisms for the moon influencing animal behavior?

I'm assuming that there are non-astrological explanations.

From: ElkNut1
29-Jan-16
I'm not a biologist but have done some research on the subject!

Photo-periodism [length of daytime light hitting the retina of the eye] controls pretty much everything in an elk’s life not the moon. The length of day triggers all the hormone releases which in fact control the rut. These hormone releases trigger bulls to rub off velvet, trigger the cows cycle which there are three main ones but can be as many as 4. The first happening around the 25th of Aug. then around the 15th of Sept. 3rd around Oct 10th & 4th around first week of Nov. which is final one.

Elk will then start the building of fat for the winter. So the peak for breeding cows happens mid Sept through first week of Oct. A cow is in Estrus for a period for 12-15 hours but if she isn't bred in that time frame will have to wait 21 days for the next window. Fact, not all cows come into heat at the same time. The older cows, aprox 7-8yrs & older generally come into an estrus cycle first followed by the younger cows.

If a cow was born as a fourth cycle cow her first cycle as a 2 + yr old could be up to 9 weeks later than a lead cow but will regulate back as a 3 yr old. So don’t be confused with a lot of full moon myths. All the moon does is let the animals go nocturnal. Hot weather can slow down the search for cows and bugling during day light hours. The heat can lead elk towards being lethargic just as it does us! Cows cannot control when their estrus cycle will start, in other words they cannot choose it happening only after night fall! Full Moon times during peak rut times are magic! Locating elk at night during this phase or an hour or so before light is at the top of our list!

ElkNut1

29-Jan-16
Just makes it easier to walk earlier...Arizona has the same moon! ;-)

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