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Down in Alamosa CO this weekend visiting my daughter and we came across this dead head.
Put a tape on the rack and will post the gross score in a couple days.
What's your gross score guess?
A couple buddies know the score so let's see what everyone else thinks
I was going to say 280 or so as well.
Looks like one of those Internet "I saw a 320 class bull" kind of bulls.
Actually with the last pic I'll change my guess to 275 7/8". Should be +\- 1".
Long main beams. I'm gonna go with 315.
LOL WapitiBob! I was thinking the same thing.
Hard to tell.... what's the distance between your ears????
=D
A guess from what must be cell phone pics =D.... GROSS he could be in the 290s.
288
cool find----
Good luck, Robb
Great. Now I have to split the prize money with Lung$hot.
Well there is a range of 50 inches from low to high guesses now
The longest main beam on this rack is 45 5/8"
280" gross was my first thought.
Hahaha we must have been posting at the same time Idyll. I'd say the 3rds is where he loses it. I'll change my guess to 278 8/16. Then later we can start a thread on reducing fractions:~)
I'd say he grosses right at 300....
287
Good looking bull, I'd drop the hammer. Decent rack on what looks like a younger still edible bull.
The other main beam is 43 4/8"
Tip to tip spread is 46"
Nice bull but definitely under 300.
DJ
Gross about 301" and net about 296"
Now that you posted the beam length and spread, I'm raising my bid to 302 gross.
Unless you put a tape to it, how can you get accurate on anything with an eigth measurement?
286 5/8 might as well be 287 which might as well be 290...
Guess I barely missed the buzzer.
Looks like I'm the closest on gross score at 286. Where do I pick up my Govennor's Tag. That was the prize wasn't it?
I did well. I guessed 280 gross so I'm happy.
Question for those that are official scorers.......if the tip to tip spread is 46" on the main beams, wouldn't the inside spread be virtually the same, not 35-7/8"? But of course that would make the spread greater than the main beam length so the official inside spread would be the length of the shortest main beam or 43-1/2" in this case?
As another note, the greatest spread should be equal to or slightly greater than 46" as shown as the tip to tip spread?
Just, I'm not an official scorer but play one on the Bowsite. You are correct. The beams extend all the way to the tip.
"b/c in 2nd grade they taught us to round up"
Isn't that what everyone does, embellish? Afterall, we're all so much cooler online, right?
I have two bulls officially scored where the widest "main beam" measurement was at the inside of the very end of the tips.
So on this bull the spread credit would be 43 4/8. That would make his gross score 293 4/8 if I'm doing the fractions right in my head.
A: NUMBER OF POINTS ON EACH ANTLER To be counted a point, the projection must be at least one inch long, with the length exceeding width at one inch or more of length. All points measured from tip of point to nearest edge of beam as illustrated in Figure A. Beam tip is counted as a point, but not measured as a point.
B: TIP TO TIP SPREAD The tip to tip spread is measured between the tips of the main beams. See Figure B.
C: GREATEST SPREAD The greatest spread is measured between perpendiculars at a right angle to the center line of the skull at the widest part, whether across main beams or points. See Figure B.
D: INSIDE SPREAD OF MAIN BEAMS The inside spread of main beams is measured at a right angle to the center line of the skull at the widest point between main beams. See Figure B. Your Spread Credit will be automatically calculated.
More info here - see link
If the widest point between the main beams is the tips of the beams, that's the inside spread. The measurer wouldn't be 'inflating the score', just complying with the rules established by B&C. He can't randomly pick a spot to measure the inside spread. He locates the widest point between the main beams, measured perpendicular to the center-line of the skull, as cited above. Sometimes that location is the beam tips.
But I believe this to be the main reason for the provision limiting the spread credit to no more than the length of the longer main beam. In that way, the oddball buck or bull with abnormally outward-flaring main beams may get some credit for this feature, but not excessive credit that is drastically out of proportion to the overall scale of the rack.
No artificial inflation involved - the main beam is considered to be from the burr to the end of the tip. That's the rules. When the beam length is measured that's where the cable goes, and the inside spread measurement is taken at the widest point along that line.
Otherwise, it would have to be defined as between "the thirds" or between the "fourths" or whatever. The beam is the beam.
That's true whether elk, deer, whatever.
I think you guys are right about the tips being the widest point here, but as cnelk is the official scorer for this contest I still want my Governor's Tag.
285 6/8 green.
278 2/8 net.
That's my guess and I'm sticking to it. :^)
"Question for those that are official scorers.......if the tip to tip spread is 46" on the main beams, wouldn't the inside spread be virtually the same, not 35-7/8"?"
Like many things in life, the correct answer is "it depends". For this bull, I would think the inside spread would be taken at the tips of the main beam.
Having said that, P&Y has a convention that bulls with antlers that flare at the tips can have the inside spread measured at another point. It isn't as simple as saying the widest point = the IS spread.
A friend of mine shot a great bull that netted in the high 380's based on the instructions in the score sheet but was measured in the 360's by a P&Y measurer who invoked this rule. The IS spread was somewhat arbitrarily measured between the 4ths, which resulted in the net scoring dropping by close to 18" if memory serves.
Shortly after this happened, there was an article in the P&Y magazine describing the rationale for this divergence from the standard methodology.
Thanks for all the replies everyone. It was fun. And for sure that what looks good can definitely be deceiving. But still a good bull, at least in my 'Book' whick is called the Spoon & Crockpot scoring system
Brun, I never received your donation $$$ for the governor's tag so your tag not validated
Matt, I remember that, and it was something about a deviation in the beam with an unnatural "flare" outside of the arc of the beam.
There are little nuances in the scoring methodology, for sure. On my big nontypical muley it took an extremely experienced senior member-scorer 30 minutes and several phone calls to figure out what constituted the true main beam where it had a little fork at the tip.
cnelk works for our local public school system, so his math should be suspect anyway! ;-)
Lou, did you miss that part on top of the score sheet that says 'UNOFFICIAL'?
Thats me :)
