Thx Bill in MI
I know CO currently holds the WR both in typical and non-typical. But those were from a while ago, the 70's and 80's.
Nough, said?
1. 226 4/8 Dolores, CO Doug Burris, Jr. Cabela's, Inc. 1972 1
2. 216 2/8 Coconino, AZ Picked Up B&C National Collection 1994 3
3. 213 4/8 Rio Arriba, NM Unknown Robert J. Seeds 2004 *
4. 213 1/8 Moffat, CO Unknown Cabela's, Inc. 1982 8
5. 212 7/8 Garfield, CO Errol R. Raley Errol R. Raley 1971 9
6. 212 6/8 Bonneville, ID J. Larry Barr J. Larry Barr 1996 10
7. 212 1/8 San Juan, UT V.R. Rayburn V.R. Rayburn 1973 12
8. 212 1/8 Idaho, ID Urban H. Riener Homer Saye 1979 12
9. 211 7/8 Adams, ID Boyd W. Dennis Boyd W. Dennis 1970 15
10. 211 7/8 Park, WY Picked Up Cabela's, Inc. 1995 15
11. 211 2/8 Bonneville, ID Ike Ellis Bass Pro Shops 1986 19
12. 210 4/8 Morgan, UT K.P. Rafton Cabela's, Inc. 1973 21
13. 210 3/8 Madison, ID Todd L. Landon Todd L. Landon 1986 22
14. 210 2/8 Dewar Lake, SK Jamie A. Gerein Jamie A. Gerein 2005 *
15. 210 2/8 Sonora, MX Myra S. Smith Myra S. Smith 2006 23
16. 210 2/8 Delta, CO Tom Donaldson Tom Donaldson 1972 23
17. 210 Manti-Lasal Mts., UT William Norton William Norton 1970 27
18. 209 7/8 Rich, UT Denny Austad Denny Austad 2004 *
19. 209 5/8 Montrose, CO Mike Thomas Mike Thomas 1974 28
20. 209 5/8 Rio Arriba, NM Kelly Baird Kelly Baird 1984 28
21. 209 5/8 Coconino, AZ Unknown Cabela's, Inc. 1985 28
22. 209 3/8 Lincoln, WY L. Victor Clark L. Victor Clark 1992 32
23. 209 3/8 Kansas Brad Hughes Cabela's, Inc. 1984 32
24. 209 Kiskatinaw River, BC Randy Bedell Randy Bedell 2005 *
25. 209 Boise, ID Charles Root Soron Root 1970 36
26. 208 6/8 Rio Arriba, NM James R. Odiorne, Jr. James R. Odiorne, Jr. 1978 38
27. 208 4/8 Unknown Unknown Kevin Asbury 2005 42
28. 208 Franklin, ID Herb Voyles, Jr. Herb Voyles, Jr. 1972 43
29. 208 Utah, UT Ned H. Losser Cabela's, Inc. 1972 43
30. 207 7/8 Teton, MT Picked Up MT Dept. Fish, Wildl., & Parks 2004 45
31. 207 6/8 Eagle, CO Robbie K. Cassett Robbie K. Cassett 2006 46
32. 207 6/8 Gem, ID Thomas A. Sutton Thomas A. Sutton 1991 46
33. 207 5/8 Rio Arriba, NM Unknown Robert J. Seeds 2003 48
34. 207 5/8 Sonora, MX Unknown James E. Arias 1978 48
35. 207 4/8 Washington, UT John K. Frei Cabela's, Inc. 1987 50
36. 207 3/8 Mesa, CO Wally Bruegman Wally Bruegman 1972 51
37. 207 2/8 Montrose, CO Bill Crouch Cabela's, Inc. 1974 52
38. 207 Kane, UT Picked Up John K. Springer 1986 54
39. 207 Franklin, ID Unknown L. Dwight Israelsen 1970 54
40. 206 7/8 Montrose, CO W.L. Boynton W.L. Boynton 1973 59
41. 206 6/8 Sonora, MX Jack Gurley Jack Gurley 1998 61
42. 206 6/8 Rio Arriba, NM Robert J. Seeds Robert J. Seeds 1996 61
43. 206 6/8 Lincoln, WY Gavin S. Lovell Gavin S. Lovell 2004 61
44. 206 5/8 Coconino, AZ Lamell Ellsworth Lamell Ellsworth 1971 66
45. 206 3/8 Coconino, AZ Katie A. Norman Katie A. Norman 1990 68
46. 206 3/8 Rio Arriba, NM Jim Roddie Jim Roddie 1971 68
47. 206 3/8 Coconino, AZ Robert C. Kaufman Robert C. Kaufman 1978 68
48. 206 3/8 Mesa, CO Aaron A. Behrens Cabela's, Inc. 2006 68
49. 206 2/8 Montrose, CO Patrick E. Courtin, Jr. Patrick E. Courtin, Jr. 1972 73
50. 206 2/8 Mesa, CO Picked Up Darryl Powell 1974 73
* Final score subject to revision by additional verification measurements.
With the amount of time and resourses they can throw at locating and hunting 200+ mulies I thought I'd see them up there...
Also suprising, is how few MX deer are there. I thought that was the mulie mecca...
Bill in MI
I know of several kills that would easily make that top 50 list, but the hunters choose not to publicize, and ruin, their spots. Can't say I blame them.
GG
I'm surprised (pleasantly) ID is in there so often. It's not a state you hear mentioned all the time for trophy muleys, like CO, NM, UT, etc.
The Eastmans have some monsters, but up until lately they were big B&C guys, not P&Y? I do think they have a huge non-typical that they are touring with this year and will (or has) be measured and entered P&Y soon???
Our P&Y only has the World Records and not a list of the entries...via the website....
Maybe in time they will have something like B&C Trophy Search.... $40 a year to have all kinds of access.
It seems to be 'coming out' that alot of the mexico ranches are 'High Fence' so that most probobly can affect why they do not show up in any of the record books...
Good luck, Robb
Score Area St/Pro Date 203.125 White River N.F.CO 9/6/1979 202.75 Gove County KS 10/25/1992 202.375 Montrose County CO 9/19/2004 202 Franklin County WA 9/2/2004 200.75 Eagle Creek SAS 10/13/1998 200 Coconino County AZ 8/26/1995 199.5 Logan County KS 11/25/2001 198.5 Apache County AZ 10/5/1985 197.75 Dolores County CO 9/11/1988 197.125 Beaver County UT 12/31/1982 197 Park County CO 9/14/1969 196.875 Platte County WY 9/22/1999 196.625 Coconino County AZ 11/30/1986 196.375 Gunnison County CO 9/10/2003 195.875 Crook County OR 9/7/1990 195.75 San Juan County NM 1/2/1995 194.875 Sublette County WY 9/17/1998 194.125 Elmore County ID 11/26/1994 193.625 Cibola County NM 12/26/1987 193.375 Baker County OR 9/16/1996 193.125 Rawlins County KS 11/23/1997 193 Weld County CO 11/13/1996 192.875 San Isabel NF CO 12/31/1972 192.125 Lemhi County ID 12/31/1978 192 Uncompahgre PlatCO 12/31/1973 191.375 Rio Arriba Co NM 1/5/1995 190.75 Mesa County CO 12/31/1976 190.625 Teller County CO 9/26/1982 190.5 Sandhills SAS 8/4/2004 190.375 Elbert County CO 10/18/2004 190.25 Boise County ID 12/1/1984 190.125 Moffat County CO 11/13/1990 190 Utah County UT 12/31/1967 190 Baker County OR 9/17/1996 190 Cheyenne County KS 11/6/2000 189.875 Rio Blanco Co CO 9/13/2004 189.625 Rosebud River ALB 10/8/1994 189.375 Tooele County UT 12/31/1963 189.25 Crook County OR 8/29/1992 189.125 Chelan County WA 12/2/1983 189 Montezuma Co CO 9/14/1983 188.875 Settlement Cany UT 12/31/1965 188.75 Mesa County CO 12/31/1974 188.5 Abbey SAS 12/31/1979 188.375 Lincoln County CO 12/2/1997 188.375 La Plata County CO 9/24/2004 188.25 Mesa County CO 12/31/1967 188.25 Montrose County CO 9/19/2002 188.25 Meade County SD 10/15/2004
Marvin
You see, I don't really look at the bucks killed 10-15 years ago.....I want to know what state is producing big bucks NOW. The newsletters and recording publications give you this valuable information.
Example:
During the P&Y 25th recording period (2005-2006) the following states produced P&Y mule deer entries (typical and non-typical):
Colorado 93 Alberta 46 Utah 34 Wyoming 26 S. Dakota 22 Oregon 19 Montana 17 Idaho 14 N. Dakota 13 Calif. 13 Sask. 13 Nevada 12 Arizona 11 New Mexico 10 Washington 9 B. Colum. 7 Nebraska 1 As you can see, Colorado leads the pack......by a long shot.
Kinda think that's not accurate.
Ditto the thought of percentage of hunters per high-end entries.
One measuring period Kansas had something like four of the top six typicals...One of my hunting buddies had #1 for that period. His was shot in 2001.
It would be very interesting to look at the non-tyipcal listings.
Danged fun stuff to debate and study.
Yeah, I left Kansas off the list inadvertently .....they had a total of four (4) entries during the 25th recording period (3 typ / 1 nt). I also left Texas, Oklahoma, and Mexico off the list, as they had no entries during that particular recording period.
They've all been shot up...all 93 of them.
I hear there are a few left in Mexico, though.
;-)
GG
I know this because I haven't seen any deer with horns for a couple weeks.
Other than that , I have to pump up Alberta . My home and where I outfit for Muleys, Wt, and pronghorn. Very Non-resident friendly! residents have to draw but Non-res can buy a tag through an outfitter.
Graham Brigden Outfitting 403-893-2147
It comes down to this, how many points do you have? How much money do you have? And/or how much time do you have? If you have the points you might have a good chance of killing a big one without a great deal of time or money. If you have a lot of money, you won't need points or much time. If you lack money or points, you better have a lot of time to really put in the effort required. Or you can plan on dumb luck ;-)
That dude looks like he got whipped but good by an ugly stick.
Romor has it he cannot play poker to save his life. Is it true his wife does not let him play cards anymore?
Deano
In fact I can tell you I have seen 225+ bucks all the time and almost every year I elk hunt there. This buck just happened to work out, but records don’t lie and just the rule of odds should not be dropped or dismissed. Yes I am partial to Colorado, and have never hunted Canada, but for public land (not a limited draw we have great success in Colorado. In fact the DOW in Colorado will tell you the herds are better and they are seeing bigger bucks all the time.
You are correct that CO licenses are a draw, but many very good units can be drawn with 0 or 1 point.
Even with the winter kill two years ago, Gunnison Basin and Montrose area in CO still have some whopper bucks.
Like mulehorn says, they are where you find them. Giant bucks are killed all over the place that are never entered in the "books". There is a legit upper 190s-class typical living along an irrigaton ditch in my neighborhood.
Sounds like where I hunt......Is that area a draw, or OTC??
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For consistent, repeatable opportunity at 180+ bucks, I think some areas of Alberta would be hard to beat.
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For those of you who don't know Ki-Ke, he has killed some whopper bucks in Alberta and elsewhere, so he, as much as anyone anyone on this thread, would know. Steve, I ran across your article on whopper bucks of Alberta a couple days ago while cleaning out my hunting trailer. Brought a smile.......
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For those of you who don't know Ki-Ke, he has killed some whopper bucks in Alberta and elsewhere, so he, as much as anyone anyone on this thread, would know. Steve, I ran across your article on whopper bucks of Alberta a couple days ago while cleaning out my hunting trailer. Brought a smile.......
I will say this. Jaquomo_feral is dead right!! My buck wont make it into any books because of the velvet! AND the other 2 we saw would not have made it either as all 3 were in velvet.
The very biggest buck I have ever seen was in Dec 5 years ago while out with my friend’s kids trying to fill a youth cow tag. I promise you, that buck would have been the typical world record #1 with NO PROBLUM!! He was so big we thought is was a bull at first then realized it was a 250+ class buck that had to go 450-500 pounds on the huff. No one can ever tell me there are no huge bucks in Colorado.
It took my daughter (age 5 at the time) standing next to my mount to truly realize what a 200 class bucks is and how truly big that is. The man who scored him is a P&Y and B&C and Long hunter official scorer. He stated in 15 years he had never scored a 200 buck. Here is a shot that don’t really need words for to see what a 200 class buck is. So when I say I see BIG bucks in Colorado that would go 250 class+, I mean 250 class +.
If you were to find ranchers in the area, or talk to the game wardens, or biologist they can help you decide on the amount of big critters in the area. In Colorado the game wardens love to talk to hunters, in fact we get some GREAT Intel from the local one each year about bears, all you have to do is ask. The record book is an ok starting point but not the ending point….
There are hotspots in nearly every western state, Sonora, British Columbia, and Alberta. The difference is that some are very expensive or nearly impossible to draw.
For Colorado, you can't just analyze the total numbers of hunters statewide vs. numbers of P&Y/B&C deer taken. Colorado has a variety of choices of units with different management goals.
For the DIY hunter or someone on a budget, I would put some of the moderately easy to moderately hard to draw areas in Colorado up against anywhere else where it is moderately easy and inexpensive to get a tag. For archery, many of these Colorado areas can be drawn with zero to four preference points. The sheer numbers of 180+ class bucks taken in Colorado is incredible. A more fair way to analyze things is the number of 180+ class bucks killed per hunter in a unit, not statewide. There are a lot of choices in Colorado for good areas. There also are units in Colorado that I would not waste my time in. The key is doing your homework/research in any state or province - Colorado just has more choices.
I have also heard lately from some outfitters in Alberta that the mule deer quality has taken a hit as of late. I would doubt that this is true throughout the province so do some checking. The same can be said for some western slope areas in Colorado. Check it out before going.
Good luck.
Scott.
Have to agree with you 100% on the deer in Colorado....
My guess would be Colorado, Alberta and Utah would dominate
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