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Got killed three times.Arrows,coyotes and panel scorers and ended up netting like 174.I think the entry submission was pulled out by the hunter after the reduced score was the final score,but I'm not 100% sure about that.

Here's the panel vs submitted scores

I would've preferred a better camera angle revealing the problem G3 before I was marketed too as a WR.I have never seen a public photo of the buck outside PY that didn't have a bad angle or velvet over the malaligned G3.It's very obvious and trumped the "common base" issue.The darn point started on the inside of the main beam and not the top......easy call.

That said,Mr. Zaft gets to look at the finest buck ever made everyday.

I have held the horns in my hands. What were you thinking would happen? The Legend continues to grow. Wayne continues to be a fine young man and outstanding hunter. The only talk if from morons who find the time to yap about it.

"all i know his that on his website that he created after the kill he proclaimed himself "Wayne Zaft, a man on the move." I just wondered where he moved to?"

I would suggest that all you know is very little. Perhaps you should move onto some hunting and don't waste so much time yapping about something you know nothing about. IMHO.

that's why i asked.......to learn more. so here is what i have learned:

1) he is a fine young man

2) he is an outstanding hunter

3) he has not moved anywhere

4) he has an advocate in you

see, this site is a source of information for guys who don't know a lot about something.....which is why i asked what had happened. thanks for adding to my understanding of the situation.

To me this just shows how really messed up P an y scoring system is.

My first visit while it was in the shop, Brian says to me "hey that's what a 172 net typical looks like..." Obv he was being slightly sarcastic.

One thing that this deer shows is that the B/C and P/Y definitely stand by their cookie-cutter approach to scoring and recognizing trophy whitetails.

I don't think the BC / PY want the new world record tainted with uncertainty...

That buck is awesome...

Would you rather they not have a "cookie cutter" approach and make exceptions or change their rules every time someone thinks a deer "looks like" a world record?

"To be honest... I think the Zaft buck would have been the new record had it been found by the hunter after a short blood trail."

The deer passed that scrutiny before it was even accepted into the record books. There were a couple dozen measurers who determined the fate of that buck... according to the rules set forth in scoring. I personally know 3 of them. Politics had nothing to do with that deer, once the P&Y records committee accepted the entry.

I've got a very good friend who killed a heck of a deer in 1993. It grosses 231" typical. Too bad it "only" nets 200 2/8 typical. Sure would have been cool for him to be the WR, but you can't gripe about the rules just to make some deer score higher because they look cool. If you did that, there will always be another deer around that beats it after you change the rules.

I've got a good close-up of the G2/G3 in question one the Zaft buck... at a not-so-flattering angle. I'll try to post it.

Follow the link above...

Do a search on the Brian Damery buck... taken in 1993 with a shotgun. Largest gross scoring typical of all time. That and 50 cents will get you a soda!!!

All kidding aside, it's a pretty amazing buck. This was back before digital cameras were popular. I have no digital pics. I don't think the NAW photos do it justice. Both main beams over 32". 28 1/2" inside spread. It's got a 231" gross typical 6x6 frame, plus another 22" between 5 abnormal points including split brows on each side. With very few deductions for asymmetry, the 6x6 frame netted 222 7/8". He even could have scored it as a 245" non-typical, but chose the net 200" typical score, since it was 7th in B&C at that time.

I'll see if I can take a few pics next time I'm at his house. He's still got 2 replicas.

The G2/G3 were scored as common base, which meant that they were both normal points. There is a definite "figure 8" where they connect to the beam, and they are not side by side, like Zaft's. Every measurer who has seen it, scored them both as normal points. And it was B&C panel measured as well.

What's funny is... Brian had one shed from the previous year. The landowner's dog had drug it up in the yard, and the landowner let Brian borrow it. Little did we know at the time that someone had the sheds from the previous year... matching set. Those sheds would later be sold to Larry Huffman, I believe. Anyway, we scored the shed (not giving it anywhere near 28" inside spread) around 180 NT the year before. I say NT, because those two points looked much different the year before. They were definitely forked tines, and the fork was several inches up the G2. This buck not only put on about 50-60 inches of antler the next year, that fork slipped down to form a normal tine and he added some unreal G5's!!!!

if they looked a little closer....how does a truck chasing a deer half to death, and 15 bullets later sound....ethical?

b&c and p&y can take a flying leap.

serb

No,they don't want an obvious tine growing from inside the beam scored as a normal point.

"i thought the miss doe pee buck was the highest gross scoring whitetail of all time?"

Sam Collora's buck is for archery take.

Yep, it was actually II or III. I've got it around somewhere. I was with them when they filmed the interview here in IL. Sat down and had supper with Bill Jordan and David Blanton at his father-in-law's house that night.

It was also featured on a NAW TV show last year in a big buck profile. Stan was hunting with Gordon Whittington that year in central IL, and Stan was one of the first guys "in the business" who came and looked at it that weekend. We'd known Stan for quite a few years, serving on a committee of our local WTU together. He was on the phone with guys around the US within minutes of seeing it. The deer wasn't even skinned or caped, and he had offers of $25K sight unseen. You think Stan gets excited on TV... you should have seen him looking at Brian's buck!!!!

Given all the inconsistencies, premature chest pounding and snobbery I don't think Zaft(or Alberta) got anything he(they) didn't deserve. I didn't recall a whole lot of humbleness early on.

The buck is a great buck, but it got marketed way too soon.

I don't want to be a muckraker, but from what I read about the deer, was that 3 days after the shot, a farmer asked Wayne if he shot at a buck. He said he did, and then the farmer brought him to the deer.

I may be totally out of line, but after 3 days, and coyotes eating a bunch of it,, just try proving you are the one who killed it. Then, even if you could, would you even want to, knowing that you wasted such a magnificent animal?

JMHO, Jay

Ask a few questions and make your decisions.

Zaft shot himself in the foot with the website. I am sure he is a nice guy but if you saw that site it made him look like a punk.

Mother Theresa would have been ridiculed for that slogan, "A man on the move..." Gosh that is bad.

I think Mr Zaft would have been viewed more positively by a lot of people if the common base point issue would have been common knowledge and shown right up front verses being hidden until it couldn`t be hidden any more and then P@Y panel scorers have to call it like it is and are made to look like the bad ones for it.

Pitiful!!!

Just for kicks. Enjoy

. . . ditto on what Matt said!