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Anyone hunted with Doug Starr, AZ Cougar
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Contributors to this thread:
treewolf197 31-Dec-13
azdogman 31-Dec-13
treewolf197 31-Dec-13
bulldreamer 31-Dec-13
azdogman 31-Dec-13
treewolf197 31-Dec-13
StickFlicker 01-Jan-14
huntinelk 02-Jan-14
bb 02-Jan-14
Bill in MI 03-Jan-14
treewolf197 03-Jan-14
treewolf197 08-Jan-15
Kawabunga 08-Jan-15
bulldreamer 08-Jan-15
Bou'bound 08-Jan-15
Woodsman416 08-Jan-15
Bou'bound 08-Jan-15
Bill in MI 08-Jan-15
GhostBird 08-Jan-15
lunatic 08-Jan-15
Shiras 08-Jan-15
BOWNBIRDHNTR 08-Jan-15
bdfrd24v 08-Jan-15
SDHNTR(home) 08-Jan-15
Matt 08-Jan-15
T Mac 08-Jan-15
TREESTANDWOLF 08-Jan-15
bb 08-Jan-15
BOWUNTR 08-Jan-15
Dennis Razza 08-Jan-15
t-roy 08-Jan-15
Chief 419 08-Jan-15
treewolf197 09-Jan-15
treewolf197 09-Jan-15
treewolf197 09-Jan-15
RymanCat 09-Jan-15
Medicinemann 09-Jan-15
SteveB 09-Jan-15
treewolf197 09-Jan-15
GhostBird 09-Jan-15
writer 09-Jan-15
Dennis Razza 09-Jan-15
t-roy 10-Jan-15
treewolf197 22-Mar-16
treewolf197 22-Mar-16
treewolf197 22-Mar-16
bdfrd24v 22-Mar-16
Bou'bound 22-Mar-16
XbowfromNY 23-Mar-16
From: treewolf197
31-Dec-13
Was planning to hunt with Doug Starr on an Arizona Mountain Lion hunt. Wanted to know if anyone has ever hunted with him or has any insight to his operation.

Thanks in advance!

From: azdogman
31-Dec-13
Snow or dirt hunt ?

From: treewolf197
31-Dec-13
He did not mention any specifics, sounded like it could be either one, just depending on where he thought the lions were. This is my first time and have only ever seen guys on TV chasing in snow with fresh tracks.

From: bulldreamer
31-Dec-13
I did. Doug works hard for you. I would recommend him. Pm me if you want more details. Good luck

From: azdogman
31-Dec-13
You should be fine. He catches plenty of lions.

From: treewolf197
31-Dec-13
Awesome, thanks azdogman!

From: StickFlicker
01-Jan-14
How much is the hunt? His website doesn't give costs.

From: huntinelk
02-Jan-14
Hunted with Marvin James in 2001, Doug was helping Marvin. He guided my dad, he was an excellent guide. We both killed lions on that trip.

From: bb
02-Jan-14
I believe he still teams up with Marvin. You should have a good hunt.

From: Bill in MI
03-Jan-14
I know that JP of Big Chino goes to him if he has a client wanting a AZ lion. He appears to be a go to lion guy.

From: treewolf197
03-Jan-14
Appreciate the input guys! Appears I am in great hands for this trip, I cant wait! I will post pics if I am fortunate to connect!

From: treewolf197
08-Jan-15

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Well guys, it took almost a year to finally have it all come together, but finally we nailed a great cat! Doug is a great outfitter and works extremely hard to ensure success. I ended up arrowing this cat at 15 yards on the point of a cliff. We worked very hard and I no longer have tolerance for people that think lion hunting is easy! Thanks for the votes of confidence on Doug, could not have hunted with a better guide/person!!!

From: Kawabunga
08-Jan-15
Nice! congrats.

From: bulldreamer
08-Jan-15
Nice cat! Doug is a super guy and works hard for you.

From: Bou'bound
08-Jan-15
well done

From: Woodsman416
08-Jan-15
Great cat! Congrats!

From: Bou'bound
08-Jan-15
story and more photos please

From: Bill in MI
08-Jan-15
That's great man. JP has never let me down.

From: GhostBird
08-Jan-15
Great looking cat... congratulations!!!

From: lunatic
08-Jan-15
Congrats on a beautiful cat :)

From: Shiras
08-Jan-15
Nice! Congrats.

From: BOWNBIRDHNTR
08-Jan-15
Very nice, congrats!

From: bdfrd24v
08-Jan-15
That's awesome. Congrats

From: SDHNTR(home)
08-Jan-15
Awesome lion, and great photo!

From: Matt
08-Jan-15
Congrats. My AZ lion hunt is the only hunt I've ever been on that caused me to question my own sanity for paying someone to put me through what it took to kill a lion. Nothing about it was easy.

From: T Mac
08-Jan-15
Great Cat congrats!

08-Jan-15
Nothing quite like cat hunting!

Congrats on a fine animal.

From: bb
08-Jan-15
"My AZ lion hunt is the only hunt I've ever been on that caused me to question my own sanity for paying someone to put me through what it took to kill a lion."

Yeah but you had a special brand of insanity going on for you there. :)

From: BOWUNTR
08-Jan-15
Stud cougar... congrats. Ed F

From: Dennis Razza
08-Jan-15
Very nice cat. Congrats!

From: t-roy
08-Jan-15
Great cat & congrats to you on your hunt!

From: Chief 419
08-Jan-15
Great lion! Need more details. How long did it take to get him? Where did you fly into or drive in from? Tent Camp? Tell us about your set-up. Horseback? Some horses can make a hunt miserable. Congrats!

From: treewolf197
09-Jan-15

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Thank you all for the support...Here goes on the story.

Last year I had booked the hunt with Doug after I had started the post out here and received positive feedback (thank you to all that commented). I booked a week with Doug and we hunted from Jan 17th - 21st all dry ground and working our tails off each day with no luck. Even though we did not get on a lion it was a great experience all around understanding the dogs and getting to learn tons of information from Doug about lion habits. After the hunt concluded, and since we had no opportunities, Doug invited me to come back out when it snowed, I only had to pay for my plane ticket back out to AZ. To me, it really meant a lot for him to do that and showed me the type of character he has, I know most guides would have just taken my money and said "sorry about your luck."

Anyhow, the entire winter of 2014 I sat back in PA with freezing temps and tons of snow, but absolutely no snow out in AZ. I swear I would wake up and check the weather reports every morning for North Kaibab and Flagstaff! Needless to say, I had a little bit of a bug to kill a cat...

After waiting all year, Doug finally called me the weekend after Christmas and told me what I had been waiting for, for almost a year, finally a good storm was coming through! I was so excited, I think I was basically worthless at work through new years eve. I got very little sleep new years eve (not due to partying, just b/c of excitement of finally flying out the next morning). Flew out of Harrisburg at 6:15 New Years Day and ended up in Phoenix at 12:30. The airline lost my bag with all my hunting gear, but I had my bow! After a quick trip to bass pro to pick up all missing gear I drove to Ash Fork (about 60 miles west of Flagstaff) to meet Doug. When I arrived, he had dinner waiting for me and we went out that night.

The first night out we cut a small cat (Doug was guessing around 80-90 lbs.) and a female with two kittens. Another guy that Doug knew ended up running the smaller cat with his son, they ended up catching it and his son was able to kill his first cat. I think he was only 10 years old or so. I thought that was pretty cool.

The second night was when the magic happened! We were driving through the same areas as the first night hoping that two of the lions Doug had been scouting would pass through their typical travel routes. At about 12:45 AM we cut his track, then again at 1:30 we cut another 2 miles off him where he crossed another road. We continued to drive the loop he was in until 4 AM and never cut his track leaving the area, we had assumed he had a kill he was feeding on. At 4 Doug parked the truck to sleep. Well, he slept, I was too excited and sat quietly playing on my phone. At sun up we decided to run around the loop of roads one more time to see if he ever came out, which he did, so we knew we were roughly within a 3 hours window behind him. We got ready and turned the dogs loose (last time we would see them until we were at the cat).

This is where I was amazed at Doug's skills as a guide. I realize that GPS collars probably help a lot of guys run directly behind the dogs and find easier routes to get to a treed lion when the GPS is saying the dogs are "treed." However, Doug's only concern is to continue staying on the lion track the whole time the dogs are running, he wants to ensure that if the dogs were to get screwed up, he can bring them right back to the lion track. That's exactly what we did for quite a few miles. After about 2 1/2 hours the GPS finally said "TREED" and the dogs were not moving from their location. We continued to the dogs, remaining on the lion track, but now moving much quicker.

Finally we popped out at the top of a nasty canyon and I looked out on the end of a finger that came out into the canyon and the lion was laying on the very point. With all dogs barking down in the canyon b/c they could not get up the cliff. Doug and I both stared at each other for a second trying to figure out how we were going to kill this lion and we decided to dive down into the canyon, go up the finger and walk out the point and kill him...Sounds easy, right?!?

I can tell you, I thought I was in half decent conditioning...I was a little girl compared to Doug. We went down the canyon and started up the finger that was all of 40 degrees with loose rock, snow, ice, all the fun stuff that no normal person would climb on...after about 20 minutes of picking our way up we made it to the top of the finger. I was exhausted, but the adrenaline started pumping again knowing we had to kill this thing. I knocked an arrow and we started walking out the point. We kept creeping along and I was honestly afraid we were going to end up 5 yards from the thing...Finally I got to the last bolder covered in snow and I peaked over, the lion was laying on his belly at 15 yards staring right at us. I immediately came to full draw, my left foot slipped off the rock I was standing on, I managed to get that planted and settled the pin behind his shoulder. I let the arrow fly and the shot was right on, had the arrow hanging out both sides of him. He went from laying on his belly to jumping 4-5 feet straight in the air and fell off the point of the cliff. We were doing the typical jumping up and down/cheering but we quickly realized we needed to figure out how to get off the finger we were on...

After about 1/2 an hour we figured out a route to get down, took us about 45 minutes or so to work through the nastiest brush I have ever been in with big 6-8 foot drops covered in snow hoping that our feet were not going to get stuck between boulders. Anyhow, we were able to work our way over to one of the dogs growling and carrying on, sure enough he had already been laying on top of the lion!

Needless to say words could not express my excitement and exhaustion at the same time. I was amazed at how big the cat was and I couldn't of asked for anything better. We guessed he was around 160 or so. We ended up just skinning him and quartering him right there. Fortunately, a couple great guys that were helping us cut tracks from the night before were able to find a lower access road and we only had to walk out about a mile! We were greeted by a bunch of mulie hunters who had never seen a lion and it was cool to start retelling the story...

Sorry for the long winded story on this cat, needless to say I am still riding on cloud 9 from the entire experience. Anyone that has never had the chance to do it before, you need to find a way to make it happen!!! I will post a couple more pics for everyone.

I wish you all the best in your up coming hunts and thank you again for all the support!!

From: treewolf197
09-Jan-15

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09-Jan-15

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From: RymanCat
09-Jan-15
Beautifull animal son. He's a good one. I ate my lion I got in MT in 1992 with recurve. I had a tough hunt but it sounds like you had a really rough one and danagerious coming out as well. You getting full mount? I had mine mounted full on a log sitting out like not a care in the world. He looked differant when the arrow was on the way to him and it was lights out. Enjoy. If you never ate Cat its like veal.

From: Medicinemann
09-Jan-15
I agree with Ryman Cat....Mountain Lion is excellent table fare.

From: SteveB
09-Jan-15
Congratulations on a gorgeous cat!

From: treewolf197
09-Jan-15
Ryman - Thank you! Yes, getting full body mount walking on AZ rim rock with snow, icicles and sage. I hope it comes out really nice! The meat is still at a butcher in AZ, but def. excited to give it a try. It's nice to have a little confidence from others, that have tasted it, before taking the first bite!

From: GhostBird
09-Jan-15
Congratulations again, thanks for sharing your hunt!

Good stuff, and a great cat!!!

From: writer
09-Jan-15
Great stuff, man.

I could have read three times as much as you wrote and loved every word.

Congrats, and thanks for sharing it all with us.

From: Dennis Razza
09-Jan-15
Great story!Thanks for sharing. Congrats again.

From: t-roy
10-Jan-15
Great story! Sure brings back some great memories for sure.

I agree with you statement about everyone needs to do this at least once.

Be sure & post pics of the mount when you get it back.

From: treewolf197
22-Mar-16

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Well guys finally got the mount back yesterday. I think the taxidermist did a great job! Started this thread over 2 years ago and getting the mount back feels like it is all coming to a close.

From: treewolf197
22-Mar-16

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22-Mar-16

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From: bdfrd24v
22-Mar-16
Just read your hunt for the first time. Sounds like a truly amazing experience. Congrats!

From: Bou'bound
22-Mar-16
great cat and the mount is really nice. The base is about the best I have ever seen.

you may want to see if you can redirect that vent away from the cat. Not sure if over time warm air blowing on the mount may create an issue.

From: XbowfromNY
23-Mar-16
Bou made a good point.

Similar, but not air-related, I had a lynx mounted on a log covered in snow. The snowy log was exposed to sunlight each day through the corner of a window blind and ultimately turned the snow yellowish. I had to have the snow redone (free). Luckily the Lynx wasn't exposed to the sunlight so it was unaffected.

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