NJ. Animal cruelty for shooting a dog
Whitetail Deer
Interesting. A NJ hunter was just convicted of animal cruelty for shooting a dog with his bow.
This is a slippery slope. I know lots of folks advocate SSS when ferel dogs are chasing deer. I also know that no one would advocate shooting a pet during a suburban deer hunt.
Thoughts?
If you have had problems with a dog multiple times I think you have a right, but there are probably better ways to handle it rather tjan shooting said dog with arrow.
I could conceive of doing it if the dog was actively engaged in bringing the deer down. I see a lot of house cats in the woods in some places...I don't like that at all.
Totally unjustified. How can anyone assume that a dog is feral and not a pet? IMHO - the guy is a dirtbag. If someone shot one of my dogs, I would be afraid of my reaction towards that person.....
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On the edge of town like that it would be risky. There's a guy in the town I live near that has killed several. He lives on the edge of town and when they get on his property he says they are getting his horses. He killed my wifes(when she was a child) 9 year old Bassett hound. Years later his horse was on my father-in-laws property and my father in law was much nicer than I would have been. This guy finally got put on some sort of probation when he killed a dog in the street, peppering the house across the road with buckshot. I wouldn't shoot a dog that wasn't harming my livestock with that said though I think if a dog is running loose, on property that does not belong to the dog owner, its the land owners right to shoot. To many people don't take responsibility for their animals. When I lived in town my dog got out once, after that the fence was lined with hot wire. Now he runs loose on 200acres.
Agree that he is a dirtbag. How could the guy, in 9 minutes, know for sure the dog was feral? My guess is that the bonehead had deer near his stand, was hunting near the dog owners home and when they let the dog out, the deer booked. The guy was pissed that his "hunt" was ruined and shot the dog out of frustration.
He won't serve 2 years, but I hope he pays a hefty fine.
I'm with ya Curve.....shoot my dog, I am not reacting in a way that will end well for the shooter.
If he had seen this dog on several different occasions it wouldn't matter if he only saw the dog for 30 seconds it would be easy to assume after seeing a dog multiple times its feral. I do agree though that close to a neighborhood with dogs he should not have shot.
I remember when I was young hunting rabbits with my friend, if one of their beagles hit on a deer, after my friend’s father caught up with it, it was one shot at the base of the skull and left in the woods. As a young kid, this is traumatizing. I have had dogs chase deer through and I have even drawn on them, but I could not release the arrow. Thoughts of my dog and the inevitable repercussion’s filled my head.
Tony
Actually happened in NY. individual was from NJ.
Keep your precious dogs on your property.
I live in a small village and there are two dogs on my shoot on sight list. They aren't feral, they are beloved house pets that occasionally get loose. They tried to attack my kids on my yard one day. My wife went out to shoo them away and they went after her. I went out with a broom and they were circling me looking for an opening. Bought a high powered pellet gun just for them.
This blowhard talk drives me crazy. Either you take care of your dog or I will. Its that simple. I love my kids wayyy more than your dog or cat.
Guys would press charges against me for hunting their land but feel like their pet should get a free pass when it it trespasses.
I love dogs. A bad dog is usually created by a bad owner. I would have to be absolutely certain it was a feral dog before i did any shooting.
As long as I knew my neighbors were trying hard to keep their animals under control I would not kill on sight. If one of mine got out i could then expect the same.
However, If any dog including mine puposely bit me or one of my family it would probably not survive the encounter.
I can't take my deer hunting seriously enough to kill a dog over the disruption of it.
Frankly, I don't get it. How do you shoot a dog and enjoy the rest of your day? Let's say you shot the dog and then killed the biggest buck of your life an hour later. Now, that buck will just remind you what a low life SOB you can be. The same could be said for those who poach for horn porn. You poach a dandy, great, now everytime you see it hanging on the wall, it is no more than a testament to the dirt bag you are. Big win there.
I love my dog.
I really don't like anyone else's dog.
I do not understand the current culture of take your dog everywhere. I take my dog lots maybe even most places, but he stays in the truck. I see people bringing dogs to high school football games? why? too many people too small of a place, leave the mutt home. I see the current trend to be take your dogs everywhere, It only makes me hate your dog worse.
I have neighbors that let their dogs do things on my property I will not even let my own dog do. I see them running through the meadow with their tongues hanging out frequently, I just am not armed at the time I see them. If I were armed I would not hesitate, I would feel very little guilt. They would make great predator bait, I would come back later hoping for a picture of an eagle, or a shot at a coyote, wolf, lion, or bear eating the carcass. Understood we are remote and all land is surrounded by federal lands, I see why it is ok to let them run but, they seem to thrive on my place.
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I have no problem with what the guy did. Simply put if you dog is allowed to run free off your property then you should expect it to get killed. Be it by a car, defendng livestock, defending wildlife, etc.
I lost a mare and a colt as a child. It was my favorite horse and would have had a great colt after some idiots "pet" was allowed to run free and ran my horse through a fence cutting her jugular. I saw it happen, while my step grand father went for a gun!
From here going forward, if there is a dog on my propped ty that will not come to me it is not leaving my property. I say that having and loving my dog, but if my dog gets killed because it is not on my property then it is my fault!
Slob owners should be to blame if the dog was I fact off their property.
As far as cats go. Unless they are barn cats, I kill them all!
I can remember when I was a very young hunter up in Maine if any dog was caught running deer they were shot. I was never part of it nor do I agree with it but that was the way it was with some hunters up there.
Growing up on a small farm I was taught the place of every animal we had. The cows, horses and chickens rated very high based on what they provided for the family. Dogs and cats were on the bottom. If a dog or cat was killing chickens or stealing eggs they were shot on sight. If they got off our property and were shot by the neighbor then they should have stay on our place. That was the way things were. I think they should still be that way... People do not realize, I guess, that humans domesticated dogs. Which means originally as God created them they were wild beast as are deer, elk and antelope. God gave us dominion over them and the ability to eat them if we pleased. Many countries still eat them and I hear they are rather tasty. As our country changes , for the worse,we see animal rights thinking pop up in people that claim to be pro rights. As we have seen in this discussion. Some think the guy that shot the dog is a "dirtbag" and even someone says his life is equal to a dogs!!?? Really? We have ,as a hunting community, come to the point that a dog is worth as much or more than a fellow hunters life? I for one,like a few above, think any dog or cat that is not in the home, backyard or kennel of their owner is feral. A dog is a piece of property like a cow or horse. They have no soul and cannot make decisions. For example, I have 2 laying in my yard that do not belong to me while my 11 year old Golden female lays in her kennel during her heat cycle. These 2 dogs live 2 miles from me. If I shoot them am I at fault for their owners lack of responsible behavior or is the owner ? Have we really come to this in our society that I even have to ask that question.........
Mad_Angler, I am certain this guy didn't follow the rules to SSS or he wouldn't have gotten caught. Actually the Shoot and Shovel is not so important but it is the Shut Up part that is the most important part.
there are some valid points made above. dogs should stay on their owner's property. i have had issues with my neighbor's pets in the past, but instead of burying them i just talked to the owner and haven't had an issue since. like bow hunt said, obviously the SSS was followed. where i live it is an unwritten rule that dogs running deer disappear and everyone knows that if your dog is loose it may not come back. shooting one with an arrow is pretty stupid/poor judgement. especially in an urban environment. guy was asking for trouble. just my 2 cents.
You have to be responsible for your pets. If someone shot my dog when it was outside my property, I wouldn't be happy about it, but it would be my fault even though CA law would make the shooter liable unless a person was being attacked.
That said, I'd never shoot a collared dog unless it was attacking a person unless I knew without a doubt that it was a stray.
Everyone who owns a dog owes it to the dog and the community to have a collar and name tag on it.
I understand dog owners that let their dogs run wild about as much as I do parents letting their kids run wild. A lot of times it's the same people, suprising isn't it.
Matt Finney..... Time for a values check!!! Your statement scares and saddens me.
If somebody shot one of my dogs, he had better leave the country because when I found that guy, he would be one hurting unit.
LOWLIFE ,, sounds like a sick person just bored in the woods . Shooting a dog I could never unless he was attacking a human !!
I love my Dog. A lot. So would you. He is as fine, gentle, friendly, loving, loyal, mindful, well trained animal to ever exist. Period. He is a huge part of the family. He is a huge part of my entire neighborhood. I started kenneling him during the day as he is a big'in, and all my neighbors asked that he be left loose so they could see him when we weren't home. He makes his rounds to their houses where he is feed, let in to visit the family, and to be let out when he wants to go next door. He has a food dish and bag of treats at 9 homes in this part of the neighborhood.
Through a lot of training by everyone, he never ventures out of sight of my house, Many of the same people won't let their animals on their furniture etc... Ole Buck gets to though. If I can't find him, I just start from house to house knocking on the doors until I do. Often times he is curled up with the wife or kids of one of those homes snoozing. I'm serious. It is just a great thing. And I mean this, when we go out of town we, rotate who we ask to keep him so no one gets their feelings hurt.
With all that said, and everybody loving him like that, if one person ever complains, his life will change. He will be kenneled or a fence built to stop him from going there. Period. He is my responsibility. And if someone voices their opinion to state they no longer want him around their place, I'll do it in a second to honor their wishes. As they own their property.and have he right to be not bothered by him if they desire. It'd be tough for him as he was trained that way by everyone at their request. But, right is right.
People have lost all respect for PEOPLE. If you live in a place where your dog interferes with someone else, it is your responsibility to make it so they don't have to. Letting your dog out to potty and run its rounds off your place, should only be allowed if the places it goes is owned by those that desire that. Anything else is negligence on your part.
If the dog was collared, or I was in that situation, I'd not have shot that dog. I would have handled it much differently. However, coming from a guy that works in the woods, dogs are not always nice when roaming the woods and, some are down right morphed into charging blood thirsty machines. Especially when on the edges of rural and developed areas.
Treat your dogs like your kids. If so, there will be no problems. God Bless
WV, Very well stated, as usual. Nice to hear a voice of reason.
I know there are circumstances where a dog must be shot. I almost had to do it with a neighbor's Pit Bull that would get lose and attack anyone in sight. Thank God I didn't have to.
But all this tough talk about "keep your dogs in your yard", etc. sounds good and is, but what if it were the ONE time that someone's pet got out and happened to show up in your yard doing nothing but "trespassing"? A death sentence? You do that to my dog and you'd better have a bullet for me too because when I come for you that may be the only way you'll stop me.
Bottom line.....protect what's yours but don't be an a*****e.
"A dog is a piece of property like a cow or horse."
You've been hanging around the wrong dogs, thankfully.
I'm with Thorton. If my dog makes a mistake, which is damned rare, it is MY responsibility to handle it, to make things right. I will. Not somebody else's...though I can't think of anything I've had to do in nearly 50 years of serious training, and handling, other than scoop a few piles of poop from a neighbor's yard or a park.
Same dogs, though, have literally saved many thousands of birds for me, friends, strangers at public marshes and anybody needing help. I've stopped and helped complete strangers obviously looking for a rooster or duck, though it cut into my hunting time.
Same dogs have entertained hundreds of school kids, and the elderly and disabled, with handling demonstrations. Yes, they've gotten out a few times. The one I have now is so well-known the police gave him water, a snack, and a free ride home in the back of a squad car with the air-conditioner going full-blast.
Shoot that dog and you'd probably have to move from the community, or this part of Kansas. Seriously.
One of the best ways to turn a conversation ugly, is to start trash-talking somebody's dogs.
I tied my old Lab to the front porch a few years ago so he could enjoy a fresh deer leg. The neighbor let his dogs run free even after he was issued a ticket by the city for letting his dogs run at large. The neighbor's ankle biter decided he wanted a piece of that deer leg and came into our yard. My old lab hit the end of that leash, broke his collar clean off, and grabbed that little dog. It was all over in a few seconds before I could get outside. The ankle biter was twitching and agonal breathing from a broken spine. My lab had grabbed him and shook him a few times. I had to go tell the neighbor. He answered the door, and after I told him the horrible news, he said, "Well I figured I'd find him dead in the street someday from a car." He picked the little dog up, shed a few tears, and then asked me If I would bury him. I apologized about a dozen times and then went to the river on a friend's property outside of town, and buried him. I ended up taking the neighbor a gift card for groceries but things have never been the same since. Even though he let his dogs run wild, and they would antagonize my dogs who stayed in the pen, I still didn't feel it was a good thing one of them got killed. Either way, the only animal we see outside his house now is a really cool, rat kill'in, bobtail cat.
I walked out the other day and a dog was in my garage. I called him over and he had a tag. I called the owner and met them and gave them their dog. They were thrilled. According to some here, I should have shot it or hung it from a tree. Only way I'm hurting any dog is if it is attacking another animal or a person. That would still be painful to do for me.
No matter what side of the fence you stand on with a story like this, one thing holds truth. When you put on camo clothes and grab your bow you become a steward for the sport we all love. Shooting a domesticated animal of any type for any reason is just asking for bad press that effects everyone. I totally agree that a LOT of people shouldn't own a animal because of lack of training, no consideration for neighbors etc. These people are the ones you confront with local police and animal control. This story was printed in todays paper( the incident happened a year or so ago during bow season) saying the owner of the dog had let the animal out 10 minute prior to it getting shot. True or false the nod is going to go with the owner of the dead dog and all bow hunters will take it on the chin.
you are a steward of the land if you shoot the dog. just last week some woman near here was cited for letting her dog chase an elk calf that broke its legs when chased off a bridge.
i have killed many dogs. with a truck, a rifle, a bow, and a pistol. i have zero tolerance for the "one time" that the dog got out. the "one time" is bullshit, dogs that roam and chase wildlife will not be cured except by death. i have had dogs with collars try to chase me off my coyote bait, a mere 8 miles from their "home".
lots of ranches around here, and i take care of one of them. a dog harassing wildlife, cattle, or horses will live a short life!
i hear from dog owners all the time how they wish they lived out on 35 acres so they could let their dog run. i have potential renters tell me they like my rental unit because their dog can run. people think it is cool to let their dog do "what comes natural". except he gets to go home to a warm house and a bowl of food, the deer, elk and other wildlife do not!
"the "one time" is bullshit,"
You're wrong. DEAD wrong. I'm a responsible dog owner. My dogs DO NOT roam. But no fence or kennel is 100% all the time. I know the kind of people you are talking about and they should not have animals of any kind, but not all dog owners are like that, not even close.
Come in to Kansas and try it, Marv.
It's a felony unless you can prove the dog was a threat to a person or property...and it takes quite a bit of proof. Too much proof, actually.
So what you're saying, is the times the stupid meter-reader has left our gate open, and my wife's miniature got out, it should have been shot?
Someday you're going to shoot the wrong dog, or the dog owned by the wrong person, rather.
As a landowner, it's not an easy situation either way.
Well aren't you some sort of bada$$ Maravia. My guess is if you're that scared of a household pet, you got owned by a dog at some point and you are reliving your fears. I have a buddy like that except he got over his fears and now owns two nice dogs. They have a special place for guys like you in prison. It's been proven that guys that injure or kill domestic animals often have a sicker, twisted side that gets them into trouble with people. It sounds like you are proud of what you do. My childhood lab and german shepherd used to chase the neighbors donkey and mule in the evenings in the field behind our house. It was funny to hear both braying at the dogs and the dogs barking back. Neither dog meant harm and the jackasses knew it. The neighbor didn't care either. Neither animal was hurt or ran through a fence.
I live 20 minutes south of Kingston NY. It's mostly apple orchards and wood lots. However....you better have a darn good reason for killing a dog in the woods...gun or bow. I don't care if the dog left his yard and is running through the woods ruining your hunt...you let him go!
Feral dogs? Gimme a break...we have foxes and coyotes here. This guy from NJ was just looking to arrow something and unfortunately it cost him.
For as many folks that like to film their hunts they can record someone else's dog running deer as well. Turn the chip over to fish and game and in about 98% of the time the problem will get fixed with no negative outcome except to the guilty party. Take the law into your own hands and you better have a very big bank account.
I had 2 pit bulls try to bite me a couple of years ago when I got out of my stand. I picked up a stick and beat the heck out of one of them. About a month later I was taking the stand down and they came at me again this time my 45 beat them up. It was a pain had to drag them out of the woods. Didn't see much in there that year. LH
Dogs are just a part of the rural landscape, not some curse upon the land. In eastern VA, it is still legal to use dogs for pursuing deer during the general firearms seasons. Some of you would not fare well hunting leases that butted against dog club leases. lol
I'm not an advocate for killing every dog and other guys on here aren't either. BUT, if your dog causes any issues with me and mine, he isn't coming home.
Thornton; you are clueless. Everyone's dog gets one chance in my yard. After that, he is bagged up and taken to the dump. I'm no serial killer, I just love my kids a lot more than your dog.
I've been bitten by dogs a half dozen times in my life cuz I'm a cable guy. EVERYONE SAYS THEIR DOG WONT BITE. I turn my back and they bite.
I like dogs, I used to raise huskies. If you guys think that your dogs are so important, perhaps you should take better care of them! You don't leave your wallet, cellphone or jewelry laying around in public places do you?
No dog can be fully trusted and less so when around strangers or kids.
IF this guy shot a loose dog, he is a jerk. If this guy shot a loose dog that has been loose many times and/or was causing problems with wildlife or safety; good for him.
Lots of keyboard muscle on here threatening guys. I've talked to a few guys about their pets coming in my yard and I've most often had to remove the pets of the people who argue with me. Im not 6'4" and part of a motorcycle gang but I mean what I say. Most folks are reasonable.
How am I clueless Mr. "I'm in a motorcycle gang"?
Read much? There is a 'not' in there.
You cited the link between serial killers and animal cruelty. You just happened to twist it all up to fit your perspective.
Good luck with your dogs.
My personal issue is never with the odd bird dog that I find or even the pet house dog. It is specifically directed that the hound hunters who simply will tell you to your face that they will trespass, poach, and run dogs and "there is nothing you can do about it."
Just thugs with dogs.
Nothing to do with a dog that accidentally escaped unless they are aggressive and or run in packs.
"It's a felony unless you can prove the dog was a threat to a person or property...and it takes quite a bit of proof. Too much proof, actually.''
So Kansas now operates under the guilty until proven innocent mantra? Thought that was still only the case in the public arena, not the courts.
I am about as big of a dog lover as can be, but some on here are acting as though killing a dog should be tried as murder. The easiest way to not have your dog ran over or shot for running livestock/wildlife on someone else's property.... DON'T LET YOUR DOG LEAVE YOUR PROPERTY. It's your responsibility to take care of the dog, not the community's as a whole.
For the people that feel it is ok to shoot any dog that gets in with their livestock. Would you agree it is ok for me to shoot one of your cows or horses when they get into my soybean field causing untold damage to the crop? FYI I would never do that but the scenario is the same and I bet you would feel different if it was your animal that was getting shot. I should add that my bird dog is probably worth more than most livestock, so shooting my dog would be equal to me shooting one of your critters.
If you are actually a dog kill'in livestock owner, I hope the next time your stupid, habitat wrecking cows get out, somebody shoots them with a deer rifle. That's what I would do if somebody killed either of my dogs.
Chirp chirp.
Let's see, livestock to put food on the table or pet........ Someone's way of taking care of their family or a pet.
At a high school firend's farm, guys would release these same 4-5 dogs to the south and the dogs would run deer and turkeys and anything else up to the north off of the property. It only ever happened during rifle deer or shotgun turkey season.
The dogs had collars but they were not friendly at all. I saw it with my own eyes and it put a damper on numerous hunts. I never raised a weapon on any of the dogs but I sure thought about it. There were little kids around the house on the property all the time. Not safe.
If you would have shot one of those dogs, I'm sure the guys would have said it just "happened to get loose"... But these guys were habitually using dogs to run game off of private land.
Nothing is ever as clear cut as it seems.
My pops neighbor did the same thing. He waited until the neighbors dog got loose and cut across the edge of his property and he shot the dog. If It would have been my dog the guy who shot him would have hell to pay unless my dog was doing something other than just crossing the edge of the property. If you know who's dog it is and you know it is not a mean dog and it is just being a dog and doing nothing wrong and you then just shoot it to be an A-hole you would have a serious azz whipping coming your way later when no one expects it.
The Karma in all this was the guy who killed my pops neighbors dog for no reason died 3 months later.
The one thing on the OP story I disagree with is the Felony charge and conviction. Even if your an A-hole you should not be charged with a felony for killing a dog. Now the guy will loose his right to own a gun too. Hammer the guy if you want but a felony is a little out there if you ask me.
It is to bad the story has such limited detail about the incident.
I don't hear anyone here advocating shooting a corner crossing pup. 90% of guys are saying defend your property. How an owner can know what their dog is doing when running loose is beyond me.
How do you know what your wife does when she leaves the house?
How long until someone says, "I'd rather have someone shoot my wife than shoot my dog"?
I wouldn't trade 20 cows for my old lab. He is the most committed, best friend and hunting buddy I could ask for. I live in the Flint Hills of Kansas and we are cattle country. I rarely hear of ranchers shooting loose dogs because they cross their pasture. The one or two dirtbags that do shoot dogs are well-known and disliked. I have heard of a few country folks around here keeping dogs in their yard until the owner was found.
I went out in my front yard with my little puppy a few months ago and I told her to go potty. She went toward the side yard like always so I knew I had a few minuets before she was done and would then put her back inside. I was picking up some sticks and turned my back for no more than 2 minuets and she instead snuck around me and crossed the road. She was standing 20 feet from the CENTER of the road in my neighbors driveway. The neighbor could clearly see me standing there and had to know I was unaware that the dog crossed the road because I NEVER let my dogs do so and she has seen and heard me stop them when they try. Instead of yelling out to me that the dog was there and to please get it or that she didn't like it there she instead comes boar hogging out her door with a polo stick screaming at my dog and trying to hit her. This is a dog that weighs about 15 pounds and is very friendly.
The moral of this story is some people are A-Holes. This neighbor no longer gets any free veggies or her driveway plowed for free in the winter. If someone wants to be that big of an AZZ with me standing right there they become deserving of me no longer going out of my way to be friendly anymore.
To add insult to injury she has a mean dog that would bite you and it barks 24/7 if it is outside and she refuses to quite it even though she has been asked by numerous neighbors. I have no doubt that had she been able to catch up that she would have hit my dog because she was trying hard to do so. If her dog got out I would only shoot it or strike it if it was aggressive even though she is deserving of a bullet because the dog is mean. lol
Dogs that run loose behave very differently than when at home. I have had dogs all of my life, and when I lived in the Northeast I couldn't imagine anyone shooting a dog. I still have dogs, but around here the number of dogs roaming free is insane. A year or two before I moved to my current place, a lady was killed a couple miles down the road by a pack of pit bulls. I have had significant vet bills because of damage to my horses from stray dogs, and locally someone had all of their milk goats killed by stray dogs. I have yet to kill one, but I am not checking for a collar if your dog roams onto my property.
My neighbor had a pit bull. I caught that dog on my property one day. She was very friendly so I grabbed her by her collar and walked her home. When I spoke to the owner I Said it very clearly " I know you love your dog and she looks friendly but I have three small children and I will not gamble with their well being. If I catch your dog ion my property agin she will not come home. This is your free one. The next time she dies". He was very understanding and apologetic about it. My goal was not to be an azz, like some of you say, but my children are WAY more important than your dog.
That being said if I was out hunting... Probably not shoot a dog unless I was in danger. A dog is a dog... I know I have one.
Some of you guys are amazing in the way you go about justification. I have farm land and was raised on farms and seeing dogs was a routine thing. You do not need to shoot a dog unless it gives some appearance or inclination that it is posing a risk to your livestock or kids. Just seeing a dog crossing the property IMO is no right to just blast away. I also know for a fact that most stray or street dogs act a little different than a lone pet dog does when it is not on its own property.
Now I am not saying that I have not pulled my gun out and got ready when I saw a dog because I have and always do even if I know the dog. This is especially true if I did not recognize the dog. In all my years I only had to kill one dog and thankfully it was a stray. It was attacking the chickens so I shot it and rightfully so. I have screamed and shot behind 2 dogs that I was not sure of their motives and they never came back. The only time I think a dog should be killed is if it is damaging something or attacking livestock or gets close to my kid. If it gets close to my kid and I don't know it I am ready to blast away and the slightest move the wrong way or a step toward the kid an poof!
RJHUNT,
If the dog was as friendly as you say and you saw it again on your land just roaming and showing no risk to you, your livestock or your kid are you saying you would shoot it anyway? I would not unless it was showing some kind of aggression or was very close to my kids. I can understand you shooting a dog or anyone shooting a dog if it is near your kids and you are not certain what might happen but if it is not near the kid and showing no aggression toward anything then anyone who would just shoot it would be an azz in my book. I am sure if push came to shove and you saw the dog on your land again and it was not near any kids or livestock and was acting clam that you would not just shoot it would you?
There are exceptions to every rule but I WILL NOT GAMBLE with the safety of my children. You have a dog... Keep in in your control. It is a different story when your three year old is in the back yard looking eye to eye with the neighbors pit bull. Friendly to me... I don't care. Dogs are unpredictable. When my children are grown it will be a different story. Now if I knew the dog well and was friendly as the neighbors to our north as they have two dogs that visit now and then, not a problem but all situations are different. I will error on the safety of my family. Shooting dogs blindly... Not my thing.
The thing about the free roaming dogs in my area is, they are pretty wily. You don't have a lot of opportunity to take action, and that is the main reason that I haven't taken action yet. You have to have a weapon handy that is adequate for the distance that you see them at. Once again, I have had enough livestock damage, and I am not waiting for the animal to sneak back when I am not around. When the State trapper puts out cyanide traps for coyotes, he gets as many feral dogs as he does coyotes. The dogs can't read, and it seems that the owners may not be able t as well, although it is likely that they just don't care. If you truly love your pet, keep it under control rather than bragging what you will do if someone hurts it. My wife trains and competes with our German Shepherds in Schutzhund trials, which is combination of obedience, tracking, and protection work. Please note the obedience part. Our dogs have never strayed onto our neighbors property. Why? Because a large portion of our property is perimeter fenced, but also because our dogs are not allowed to roam the property at their leisure. They are well trained, and know that their are consequences for leaving the property or not coming when called. It doesn't matter if they have the scent of a deer or anything else. They listen. That is because we care about them enough to train them and monitor their behavior.
Sorry, but I didn't use spellcheck.
Years ago during gun season my springer followed my girl friend when she drove out of my hunting camp.I had let him out to do his thing,she was not aware that I had,and did not see it.My camp is way back in on two track roads off the grid.Some one found him and took him back to there camp and put sighns up so I could get him back they ended up with some wild turkey thank god he did not meet some of you guy's.
I have a prime spot walking distance, on neighbor's 15 acres - highest point in my development, a nice plateau I field mow and brush-hog for him. They got a mutt last year, that was born to chase deer. Routinely busts through the invisifence. Had long talks with both husband and wife, that this dog is not going to live long if he chases deer every day. He already has stopped traffic over 1/2 mile from home and had some close calls. The woman owner, feels its cruel to have him tied up or fenced in - he needs to be free to "run"... I have to tread lightly, don't want to lose a prime piece, but in reality - the dog has ruined not only that piece, but the entire 120 to 150 acres I hunt on my property and others... Deer can only take being flushed out so many times. The mature deer that used to live here locally, are gone... I have to hope they come back for rut...
HAVE I THOUGHT ABOUT "IT"? Damn right I have!!! More than once... It's the worst hunting nemesis I have. But that dog is loved by the owners (even the they have no clue)and is also pet of a little girl... I just couldn't do it. I will shoot every 'yote I can, but if I didn't shoot this dog by now, I am not capable of shooting a "pet" and I consider that to be a "good thing".
Most of the neighbors have complained, and the woman being embarrassed in traffic one day also helped, as I do see them walking him on a leash more and more and not letting him run free...
Animal control - would be useless. This dog is part wire-hair and part greyhound, the fastest animal I have ever seen.
I continue talking to them - hopefully it makes a difference...
Here he is under one of my best stands on MY property (can't count how many hunts he ruined on HIS property).
By the way - this dog has a penchant for pinching a loaf on my camera, this is one of several....
From an old hunt log of mine;
(don't even start up guys - hunting legal with Game Dept Kill Permits )
18July09.
Arrived at 05:30 and immediately set up an ambush site. Simultaneously, an uninvited Trespasser set up a Defensive Perimeter around my ambush site.
For the next four hours, this Trespasser ran off every beast and fowl that dared to try and enter his Defensive Perimeter, by sounding off at the top of his lungs. Oh, this included the three deer that crossed the creek onto the property towards me at 06:00 and the two deer that crossed the creek onto the property towards me at 06:21 AM.
I got down at 09:30, and was still pretty angry. I said a few harsh words – OK – I said a lot of harsh words to the Trespasser, but he followed me to my truck anyway. I snapped some photos of him at my truck, and will be forwarding them to Bob for adjudication.
As I drove away, the Trespasser tried to run and hop into the back of my pickup, but I gunned the engine, and left him eating some 4 X 4 dust!
To top off my morning, it took me three hours to drive the 50 miles south to my home in Fredericksburg. I just cannot catch a break!
Even with all the bad luck, it would have been hard for me to shoot "Tucker", the neighbors dog.
Tony06302 - looks like same mix of my local deer chasing hound... I have never seen a dog so obsessed with chasing deer in my life, and can actually out-run them... Also he treed a few bears....
We were doing some late season deer hunting in PA last winter. All of a sudden we heard some coyotes yipping and came running in. Too fast for me to get a shot at the 3 that came through, but I could hear others that I couldn't see. Min later another one of our hunters confirmed them and got one. A few min later another one of our group got the last one in a group of 4.
One was a coyote. One had a collar, and the neighbor was over shortly there after looking for his dog as it was out chasing coyotes... He new what had happened. Sure our guy felt like crap, but as the neighbor said (while grabbing a sausage off our camp grill) "dog shouldn't have been out, was hoping he wasn't wounded or in a trap or anything" We apologized but given the info we had the correct call was made.
Owner was fine. Facts are a domestic animal should be kept on the owners property. I let me dog go free, but she knows where the boundary is, and if she were to venture off than I know the possible consequence. Sure I might not arrow the neighbors dog, but the neighbors dog has no business on your property
Bottom line---take care of your dogs! Dogs are not the problem, it's their owners. Everyone seems to think to think they need a dog today, and very few of them are properly taken care of. It's hard to sit here and cast stones one way or another as the full details certainly aren't disclosed.
Matt Finney- Unreal and reprehensible comment.
I like most dogs more than I like most people.
Most dogs are more likable than most people, tony. :)
I wonder how many of you would put up with my situation for an entire season, and probably this upcoming one too (although seeing them tie the dog up and walk him on leash is "hopeful" of better things to come"...
What would you do, if a neighborhood dog, chased your deer off every piece you hunt, every sanctuary in your area, nearly every day of the year? Owners won't stop it, let's say the law wont' either... What would you do if that dog chases a deer by your stand and stops broadside at 15 yards?
How many would SSS???
A dog is gonna do what is natural attack something running or moving be it animal or human. Been there done that and got bites to prove it, (German Shepard and Rottweiler while turkey hunting). Couple was killed in North Georgia some years back by family pets http://nypost.com/2009/08/18/wild-dogs-kill-elderly-couple-in-georgia/. We don't have to worry about most family pets dogs and cats on hunting lease. The Coyotes eat them pretty quick around here, barking sounds like a dinner bell.Just Saying.Peashooterjoe
"Crap like this makes hunters look like idiots.
A lot of the replies on this thread make hunters look like idiots.
It turns neutrals into anti's etc..."
I have to agree. Much of this thread is sickening to me and makes me PO'ed to know I can be grouped with fellow hunters. I could see the PETA article "Hunters Proud of Killing Fidos" and then reference this thread.
Maybe if you was on the other end, being chomped on might be different. Just sayin..
Anybody that shoots a dog that has not or is not actively biting livestock, pets, or people, is a dirtbag.
"What would you do, if a neighborhood dog, chased your deer off every piece you hunt"
Call the warden every time I saw it in the woods trespassing. I would make it his problem everyday.
How can you tell? The two that got me had collars, and others had complained to owners about them earlier in the year. The owners denied that they we theirs, afraid I was going to sue them. Oh yeah collars had Rabies tags on them, sorta had to get out of that.Just sayin.. Love my labs by the way.. So no I am not a dog hater, do you know what your pets are doing outside and roaming? Just checking..
There is an occasional dog out there that ought to be shot...if it is truly a threat to your safety or that of your family. After 50 years of wandering around in the woods I have run into exactly three...and one of them actually bit me.
But the guy in the article, based on what was included in the article, deserves any and all punishment he gets...but also deserves to have his ass kicked.
As to the issue of feral dogs...the vast majority of dogs cannot and do not make it alone in the wild...typically the dogs we encounter out in the middle of nowhere belong to someone who lives in the general area and lets them run, and does not take particularly good care of them...not much different from 'feral' in the end I suppose.
Jack - you said a neighborhood dog - unfortunately the dog likes chasing deer just as much as you do! I believe I would find a new place to hunt. I would not shoot the dog...but I know people who would.
Kind of a sore subject this year.
The lab that killed 200 pheasants in one night last month, we catch it back in our flight pens it's history. Don't care who's it is.
The owner refuses to kennel or chain the dog and has refused to make any restitution for right around $2000 in losses. They know it's their dog. We have a couple witnesses.... but are relatives and refuse to go on record...
Two other properties this year alone ruined by dog packs. One pack of 4. The other pack is estimated around 7. Found over a dozen deer killed and 3 of the rancher's calves with several more missing. One pack is gone. Working on the other. The rancher thinks we are golden and keeps telling us how much money we have saved him.... our spot for life.
Suburbia is likely different. The occasional backyard terrier running around chasing some deer on public land is a totally different thing. Apples and oranges and should not be compared.
But being caviler with someone's living, how they put the food on the table for the family because you happen to like dogs... no matter the personal projection of humanizing animals, they are not humans. They are animals, no different than any others including the cattle you eat or the deer you shoot. Mr Finny's statements are disturbing and irrational.
The owners should be charged with endangering their dog because it is loose. Not the people forced to protect their personal property from it. Should be no different than if it was a coyote or a wolf doing the damage. It endangers my property, or the property I have given my word to protect, it will be dealt with before it can do more damage.
Yday u are right about blame the owners not the dog. All my neighbors now the woman that owns the deer chaser by me has no business owning a dog. When it gets run over or shot by a pissed off hunter or causes a fatal accident - the blood is on her hands. I tread lightly don't want to lose access. I going to try game wardens if it can be kept anonymous.
Jack are you hunting on the dog owners land?
My property ( where I hunt ) starts with a short lane by a house. That's where my gate is located. The guy in the house has a big yellow Lab. This dog tries to eat my tires each and every time I leave my place. He has been ran over once, by me, ( it was not intentional ) and I mean ran over, as in bumpity bump. I do not know how he survived being ran over with a 3/4 ton truck. My buddy also hit the dog and knocked him down with his truck. He still chases and attacks the tires. His tail is hairless from halfway to the end. I assume someone else knocked him down and skidded on the tail, pulling the hide off. Point is, this is the ONLY dumb Lab I have ever seen. I put a fence up on my line to keep this dog on his side while I ( or anyone else ) is opening the gate in the dark. I did this while he was still a growing pup because I didn't trust the dog as he wasn't very friendly acting and sometimes my wife or son opened the gate. I like dogs, had 'em all my life, and wouldn't take anything for my JRT, but I despise this dog and his owner, because the dog is a direct reflection of the owner. I have read every word of this thread, and I sympathise with folks who have had stray dog troubles. I have had my share. I usually shoot in their direction and run them off, but If this Lab ever comes in my lane and approaches me, it ain't gonna be his day.
Yes I brush hog their property every year for right to hunt. It was perfect until they got this deer chasing hound. They see saw no harm in what their dog was doing - to them he was getting his needed exercise. I am treading a fine line. That devil-dog ruins my hunts on my property their property and five others I hunt.
Jack,
Can you get your hands on the dog? If so tie the little bastard to a tree until, your don't hunting each day. lol
pdk25,
I have had dogs all my life and train them well and until they have been taught very well it can be easy to have the occasional mishap where the dog gets out and even after they are trained they can still surprise you. Either they bust off for whatever weird out the ordinary reason or they get through the fence or under the fence or the gate was not latched one time etc. Dogs are dogs and given the chance even the best behaved dogs with the best owners will sneak off to be a dog if given half a chance.
I have 2 Great Danes and thus far after 1.5 years they have not gotten loose but not by lack of effort on their part that's for sure. If I had not seen it one of them would have had free roam 2 weeks ago and again 3 days ago. She has watched how we go out the screen door and if you do not close the inside door behind you she will jump up and pop open the handle on the screen door and out she goes. Watched her do it 2 times now but was lucky to see it and stopped her.
Like I said no matter how good an owner or how well behaved the dog it will still get out and roam if it can get away with it and my opinion is they are always looking to do so if they can. In those cases where a dog is loose and not aggressive and rarely ever seen by a hunter or farmer then IMO it would be asinine to kill it for no reason. If it was aggressive for some strange reason then by all means kill my dog but if it is out once every 3 years and crosses a property and is showing no bad behavior and it gets shot just for being there then the property owner IMO is a tool!
Everyone has their opinions but unless a person has a completely enclosed yard and a 99.99% indoor dog then at some point if you always own a dog at some point it or one of them will eventually escape and no matter how well you train it you cant stop it from happening once every blue moon. I have owned way to many dogs and trained them to do just about anything but I have found that even the smartest dogs that were the best trained still looked for a way out of their cage (the house or yard) so they could be a dog for a while. Its no excuse but it happens to just about everyone if they own dogs all their lives. The only way it doesn't happen is if the person is very aware about it and has in essence a cage surrounding their yard.. I have even seen dogs escape those by digging out. My Danes paws are so big they are like little shovels and if they wanted to dig out under the fence to get out they could do it in about 10-15 minuets. I have watched them try and almost succeed and I had to scold them. Had I come along 15 min later they would have gotten out.
Hammer, I am glad that you are doing your best to control your dogs. Some breeds are more problematic than others in regards to their behavior, but irrespective of that, it is the owners responsibility to control their pets. Comments were made earlier regarding damage by cattle, and I will tell you that I believe that you should be able to shoot cattle for getting loose and damaging property, but that is not what the law around here says. My next door neighbor had his entire coop of chickens killed 3 weeks ago by the neighbors dogs. Now, their answer to making it right is reimbursing the cost of the chickens. I am here to tell you, when you livestock is killed the replacement cost doesn't make up for what you invest in time, emotion, etc.... as well as lost production in the interim. I have chickens, and as ridiculous as that is, they are named and considered egg-laying, insect eating, orchard protecting pets. As I said before, I am not checking for collars and waiting until I actually see the offense. By that time, it is too late. I understand full well the potential consequences of what may happen if my dogs stray, so we don't give them the chance. My dogs are like my children, and if they get shot for getting onto my neighbors' place, I will firmly place the blame on myself rather than making threats about what I would do to the person that shot them. Seems alot of the attitude on this thread is typical of America these days. Nobody wants to be responsible. Allowing children to scream in movie theaters, push shopping carts into people in the supermarket, run around like monsters at the laundromat, etc.... You are responsible for your pets, their well-being, and the damage that they cause. Period.
It is easier to flex internet muscle than take personal responsibility.
Not all dogs are equal. I've been attacked twice in the woods near my home by Pit Bulls that were off a leash. Letting a Pit Bull off a leash is careless. I sympathize with the guy above who warned his neighbor about their Pit Bull. It's a father's job to protect his small children. If they got mauled, it'd be a tragedy far greater than shooting a dog. He did the right thing walking the dog back to it's owner and issuing a warning and not just shooting it.
Regular pets when running free get the pack mentality and become like wolves and kill for fun when they meet up with other wild roaming dogs. I once spoke with a rancher east of where I live who runs cattle in a rural area that has a lot of ranchettes and he has issues with domestic dog packs killing calves almost every year. He has killed several dog packs on his land and many had collars. He said the owners never believe it. The problem is, your dog might not be the one going for the throat, but he/she may be the dog that turns another dog from a pet into a killer. Wolf blood still flows through the veins of dogs, no matter how cute and loveable they are.
TD, we had a critter sneaking into our chicken pen and killing chickens overnight. I started locking up the chickens in the hen house and set a leg hold trap. Caught the neighbors cat. I told her the cat was caught INSIDE THE COOP and she said, "Well, he got what he had coming. " I'm sure the vet bill was considerable and we never saw the cat out again.
My point is, no one can argue with a critter caught,literally, with his paws in the cookie jar.
LOL...Internet muscle? Is there even such a thing?
I have no issue with a dog being shot for doing something aggressive or going after a farmers animals even if it was my dog but guys like my dads neighbor who just shot a dog in the late evening when it was on its way back home like it had done for years and only 2 houses from being home aint right! He knew who's dog it was never aggressive or never did anything wrong other than cross his front yard by the road to get to the field the dogs owner owned. He shot it just for stepping on the edge of his land and if it had been my dog he would have found his azz kicked for doing it. The guy never told the people he was upset or anything and he knew whos dog it was and the dogs temperament. He was just looking to be a dink!
We can call it internet muscle for whatever that is but IMO there is a right and wrong time or right and wrong reason to kill a dog. If someone is that big of a tool that they would shoot a dog for crossing their front yard and they know the dog is friendly and is not a terror to the neighborhood but rather the lover of the neighborhood then they deserve some scorn and an azz whipping IMO.
If a dog is near the chicken coup or livestock giving the impression he might cost you then that's different. If it is 500 yards away in a field just crossing and you shoot it just for being there your a tool in my book. To each their own though.
Owl... exactly.
We wouldn't just "hang em high" vigilante justice unless caught in the pen etc, in the act. It's not a thing a person takes pleasure in. Most of the pack mentioned above were dealt with on one of the fresh calf kills.
Again, fido running around on public land or just seen cruising is a different issue. I have 3 GSP bird machines myself. All three sleep in our bedroom, the pup Coach lets sleep in bed with us. Long story, a real comfort in serious illness story, I'm good with it. Long as the thing leaves me some room anyway.....
I had a beautiful English setter named Cindy shot long long ago that got out and was running livestock. It is what it is. Ranch land rules are different IMO. The dog was not shot wandering around, was chasing horses. I likely would have done the same. Had a $1500 vet bill once (in the 70's when you could almost buy a new car for that) when dogs ran my roping horse into a barb wire fence and got all wrapped up. Nearly killed her. Dogs not identified and nobody fessed up either.
Been on both sides. But I will pretty much always go with the side being innocently assaulted. Even if it's "family".
My wonderful pet Brittany mix once visited the neighbor's farm and attacked his hens, killing one. He was there to witness it all. He brought me the hen, and he brought his anger. "If your dog ever comes over here and gets in my chickens again, I will shoot her down right there". I was upset, but knew he was in the right. I knew he meant his words, and I had a sick feeling it would happen. When he left...leaving the dead hen for me to pluck and clean....I had a brainstorm inspired by fear and anger. I walked over and caught my dog, leading her back to the chicken. I held it in my hand and pushed it in her face and mouth. I could tell she wasn't liking the feel of things, but it was just starting. I took the hen by the legs and began clobbering my pet over the head, face, neck and shoulders with it. The dog began yelping and squalling, and the beating got more intense. I thrashed her as hard as humanly possible with that chicken until it blew apart. When I stopped, we both had blood, feathers and chicken guts on us. I've never seen a more miserable looking dog, and all I was holding were 2 amputated chicken legs. I kicked her hard in the ass and sent her squealing into the box where she stayed. I left her with a total fear and hatred of anything chicken-related. She never went back there...lived a long time...and we all cried when she died.
I don't mind saying it here. I simply despise people who own pets and won't care for them properly. Dog shooting is the worst thing we can do for our reputations in rural country. I'd like to give the chicken treatment to some dog owners...and probably a few dog shooters.
Little different twist on the age old debate...
Terry Drury has documented many hunts ruined on his MO farm by the neighbor's dogs. They've taken the "high road" and tried dealing with both the owner and the warden to no avail. He has a business to run that relies on deer hunting for TV. These dogs (that look malnourished) are essentially costing him part of his livelyhood....
Kevin Dill x2
Me personally? I would avoid killing any dog with a collar unless it was aggressive. It's someone's pet and people and pets can both make mistakes.
I would likely give a pass or two or three... depending on their temperment... to any dog even without a collar. After a couple of passes and discussion with its owners and authorities (if I could identify an owner) then all bets are off and SSS is in order.
Nasty, and obviously aggressive would not get any leniency. Period.
Some of you guys need to take your own advice and shoot shovel and SHUT UP. Antis don't care if it's justifiable or not. Stuff like this makes everybody who is not a hunter hate hunters.
When hunting means that much to me, that i would kill someone's pet for running around in the woods. I think I'll find something else to do.
I would like to hear the reaction from everyone who agrees with shooting an animal for such a stupid reason after it happens to them. I guaranty they would have a million excuses why their pet was shot for no reason and that the person was an ahole.
Those same people make me want puke.
Keywadin - thankfully I lean I. Your direction. But let me ask u this. A domestic dog acting no different than a feral dog or a coyote or wolf. At what point does the collar make a difference if the owner does not care or at least make an attempt to honor property lines and game or domestic animals are being harassed. My line has not yet been crossed but do you have one????
Well damn it this tread jinxed me! My dogs managed to get away from me just 2 days ago when they saw my neighbor. I always put them out back in the fenced in yard but when it rains it turns to mud so I take them to the front yard to do their duty so they don't come back in full of mud. I have a shock collar on them during those occasions just in case they try to bolt. Everyone in the neighborhood knows my dogs are huge Danes but super friendly and never leave my yard or my side. My nasty neighbor across the street who has a mean dog that never stops barking was out in her yard the other day. She walked to the edge of my driveway and to her mailbox. When she started to walked across the road my dogs saw her and followed to say hello. I was trying to retrieve them and they were having none of it. I hit the collars but the damn battery was dead in the remote. I was all of 10 steps behind and she heard me telling them to come before they ever got to her. They met her in the road but she kept walking and went up her driveway anyway.
I walked over there to get them and was actually following them and only steps behind them. This was supposed to be a bathroom break but it went a little wrong. lol. My two normally well behaved dogs that always come when told and never leave the yard were not fricken listening. As I approached them standing in front of her wagging their tails she went off on me. "try a effing leash", "this is against the effing law" ", "wtf" and blah blah blah. The dogs never jumped on her or anything, They just stood there wagging their tails. We are talking 10 seconds from the time she was at her mail box to the time I was over there following the dog. Oh and it was the 1st time EVER in 6 years my dogs had gone on her property or anyone else's and I have had 4 dogs during that time.
I tried to get the 1st dog and the other saw a cat of hers that's ALWAYS in my yard pestering my cats that I have never complained about I might add. Oh it was on now no matter what I wanted from the dogs. They both ran into the small side woods after the cat but the neighbor hadn't seen that part because she had already walked inside. I then heard her screaming like a person who should be institutionalized. She came running back out the front of the house because she saw the dogs round her house and head back toward me. When she came out like a crazed fool she had a POLO stick and purposely cut the dogs off from getting to me and started swinging and poking at my dogs. I thought that was over the top and very very very dumb of her. She knows they are friendly but if she had accidentally injured one they might have went into a mob attack mode on her and given their size that would have been awful. It was all crazy and truly shocking.
By this time the shock remote was in my pocket and I had already retrieved a leash. I went after the leash when they ran in the woods...Anyway I yelled to one of my dogs to come and it did but stayed away just a little. It could tell I was pissed. I yelled "sit"! It did and I walked up to put the leash on to end this fiasco that lasted all of 3 min. Then the lady decides to take it to the next level and screams "don't sit in my effing yard!" "go the F back to your Godda#$ yard" and runs at the dog I am trying to leash up. She then threatened me, my dogs and said she would call the police. I was stunned and amazed that this lady who I have helped in the past when she was in need and NEVER had any issue with would suddenly go off like this.
I gave her the benefit of the doubt at 1st until the very end when she threatened the animals and also threatened animal control on me and said she would have the dogs taken away from me. I finally popped and told her to "calm the hell down" and that 1 time in 6 years is nothing to get so upset about and that I was sorry. She popped off it was her property and blah blaah. Normally I would have just aid sorry if this had ever happened in the past and I would have just got my dogs and said nothing else but she was crazed and being unreasonable and very un-neighborly especially since it never happened before. I finally told her she was being an unreasonable bitch and that I don't threaten her and act like a jerk when her dog barks all day and half the night. She then wanted to respond in kind and said she doesn't bitch when my dogs bark. I started cracking up which I shouldn't have because it added more tension. I said "my dogs bark when someone comes up the driveway and that's not very often". LOL...My neigbbors beside me just last week asked if I still had my dogs because they never here them bark. lol....I said your damn dog barks all day and all night at absolutely nothing and every neighbor here hates that damn barking mean azz dog and you do nothing to curb his barking even though you know everyone is very annoyed with it". I said "you sit right next to it inside when it is on the deck because everyone can see you through the window sitting there and you let it bark like crazy all the time!"
She then tried to bring up my parrot that screams 1 times a day for 5 seconds. This whole time she is screaming like someone from the looney bin. My bird screams at sundown mostly for a few seconds and if the window is open you can here it. I finally was pissed off and said 'you're a dumb bit$% and you wonder why everyone around here cant stand you and your crazy dog.' I said if you want to threaten me with a war about animals you will loose because my animals are registered and yours is not and mine are not bothered by the neighbors and yours is. I told her 1 time in 6 years my dogs get away from me and that here's has gotten away more than that. I said I suggest you just take your ass back inside and don't be calling the police over 1 incident in 6 fricken years. I told her we can be neighborly and helpful to each other or we cannot be. She just finally quietly went inside and stopped as fast as she started. It was over the top out there and was stunning. The neighbors who saw it were amazed she would act like that over any incident like this let alone one incident in 6 years.
She had better hope I do not catch her dog on my land for a second or I will remind her of her craziness. lol
JH, I think the majority of us who have been in the woods most of our lives,(you included?) have a pretty good idea when an animal is not acting right. If your talking about dogs going after live stock or other family pets, than I would probably take care of it myself. If your talking about a dog chasing a deer in the woods, I would not. I would try to find the owner or get in touch with animal control. I don't know anyone who has owned a dog that has not gotten out accidentally.
I guess what bothers me most, is the attitude that the dog is ruining "MY Hunt", or chasing "My Deer". I think you get what I mean? I by no means am including every hunter out there, but I know and have certainly met my share. Good luck this year.
Jim Distler
There are several dogs that back a property we hunt and they bark non-stop and even at prime time. We have yotes there everywhere and you will see a deer on cam and then leave and a yote comes in and then 10 min later the deer is back. Unless the dog is actively hunting and chasing I cannot see shooting it especially if it has a collar because around the areas we hunt deer at least we have not seen the deer spoke off very far or for very long due to a dog or even a few yotes. Only exception is when fawns are small.. If a doe has several small fawns and a few yotes come in the doe and fawns split for quite some time. If it is a yote and I see it they got shot but not a dog with a collar.
