This hunt is conducted on foot, 1-on-1 in the beautiful Kalahari.
Includes: 1x Arrival Day 1x Departure Day 3x Day’s Hunting 1 on 1 with your PH 1x Male Lion Ground Transport from JHB International to Kalahari back to JHB International All Cities tag’s and Permit Fees The above rates include the following: • Accommodation is quoted per person per day • The full use of all facilities in the camp such as the swimming pool and satellite television • A daily laundry service is also available at no extra cost • Full catering: early morning coffee & rusks, brunch, snacks, dinner, all soft drinks and alcoholic beverages in moderation • Hunting: a fully licensed Professional Hunter, trackers, skinners, all camp staff, transport to and from blinds, picking up of trophies, field preparation of any game taken and transportation of trophies to shipping company The above rates excludes the following: • Accommodations prior to and after safari • Taxidermy work and shipping of trophies to final destination
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1. So what's meant by "starting price"?
2. If this is a bowhunt, why are you talking about "Rifle hire"?
The chances of getting your Lion is pretty good. We have not had anyone go home without one yet, but I am not guaranteeing your success as the they are wild animals and roam over 10,000 acres.
If you are interested in the hunt, please contact me directly and I will gladly send you photo's of the type of Lions you can expect to find.
I apologize for any confusion or inconvenience caused.
Ken Moody, one of the most respected outfitters in Africa and a sponsor himself posted this on one of the many lion threads last year:
ken explained it as follows.............
These SA lion hunting theads have been debated ad naseum. First off, there are not many areas for lion hunting in SA that are 30K Ha (74,130 acres). A landowner or group may have access to that much total acreage but the actual lion camp (specific enclosure into which the lion is released) will almost certainly be no more than a few thousand acres.
These lion, for the most part, are hand raised and released for hunting. Regardless of what the SA law states as the lion has to be released and unrestrained for "X" amount of time before the actual hunt occurs, most are released the day of the hunt or a day or so prior to.
There are some operators that do have lion out and about on their properties for long durations but these areas are enclosed by fence and electrics and the lion must be fed, normally donkeys, goats, etc. for them to survive. Rarely do any of these lion possess the ability to hunt for themselves and no one is going to release those types of lion into an area with expensive plains game as their primary food source. Would be very stupid wouldn't you say?
I did, however, have the exclusive hunting rights to a single enclosed nature reserve of 28,000 acres one year that had all of the Big 5 present. This was an eco-tourism operation that wanted to remove their excess game thru bowhunting. While I was there the resident pride of lion killed over one dozen nyala bulls in less than a month. At about $2000 a pop those were some expensive appetizers. That situation was ridiculous and the landowners learned a very valuable lesson.
Lion hunting in SA is what it is and if the client has full knowledge of how his particular hunt is going to be conducted then I have zero problem with it. If he is led to believe that he is involved in something that it it not, then I do have a very big problem with it. Caveat Emptor I suppose.
What is empahtically true is that these lion are very dangerous and much more prone to attack humans than their wild bretheren. They have no fear of man as they've been in close proximity to man their entire lives. In fact, if bowhunting, you stand about a 25% chance of being charged so don't take this type of hunt too lightly.
So the sarcastic comments were to let people know what type of hunt this is? Come on now, if that was the intent then a straight forward question to the OP would have served that purpose.
I capped that because it's one thing discussing prices or logistics. It's another discussing whether you believe in the type of hunting being offered.
It may not be YOUR thing - if it isn't then don't read the thread OR start your own thread if you want to have a discussion on lion hunting in Africa.
I don't even know this person but good grief.
Good price. Glad to see the honest presentation. No smoke or mirrors I can see.
that is absolutely a normal expectation on such a hunt.
Those are not sacrastic questions guys. The hunts are run that way. if you were offended or surprised then you learned from this thread. if they are not run that way the outfitter would have chimed in by now calling "bull crap" on the way i have described this.
i will guarantee you if someone posted a link to a whitetail hunt in a US preserve, that provided pay per size options and pick your buck over the internet via photos so nobody kills it before you arrive, there would be a bunch (and rightfully so) of hostility posted.
That is what this lion thing in SA is. Just because you don't know the facts of lion in SA like you do genetically grown deer in farmed in, say, Ohio, does not mean they are not analogous scenarios.
The new sponsor, who we appreciate, did not come on here promoting his kudu and gembok hunts or there would be no issue. he is promoting, UNLESS HE CORRECTS THE FACTS, a standard S. Africa captive raise and release in a sub-divided confined area pick your victim lion hunt.
I stand by ready to be corrected on the picture I am painting..........
If this was a wyoming elk hunt in the bighorn mountains those questions would have been insane. they are,however, very legitimate questions for a SA lion hunt.........and for the OH deer operation in this link i have attached........captive animals, paid for by size, bred in captivity, and selected by photo in advance of the hunt, released in subdivided enclosures on larger properties.
we won't even get into the potential of sedation and how it is sometimes used
this is shopping....................
seem stinky to me but you're right some are cool with it.
Good luck Louis, I hope you have a blessed 2015!!
Best regards, Scott Alberda
I appologize for the placement of the debate, not for the information shared.
I am done with this one.
Really, there was recently a thread about shooting Texas pigs out of helicopters and it appeared most of those who posted on the thread thought it was just fine.
Another: At the same time, I hear folks on here scalded for baiting deer by people I suspect would shoot a baited bear plenty quick. As I have stated here before, ethics is personal. As long as it is legal, no one person should tell another how to hunt, or what to hunt with.
I actually felt just like Bou wrote, then after it went as far as it did, I felt bad for the sponsor. As has been said, it appears he runs a great and reputable operation, and in todays financial environment, almost everyone has to do whatever legal means necessary to stay afloat. And though I wouldn't go on this trip if it were given to me for free, I do know a couple of guys who would do this kind of thing and come home and brag about it.
It would blow everyone's mind at how many guys here in my local area, have made a couple of trips for elk to Colorado, and when they didn't even get a raghorn, because they had no clue of what they were doing, they paid to go hunt a penned elk. One guy in particular, was putting out the word he had killed an elk in Michigan. Later I met up with him and asked him about his "experience." Actually, I think it went something more like, hey, I heard you got a whack-a-pet, at which point he replied, "it wasn't easy, it was in a square mile fence," which may have fascinated other locals that weren't familiar with hunting elk, or in the west. In the end, I let it go, not wanting to POUR on his parade, but thought to myself, I have sit on ridge tops and looked over more ground than a square mile. Anyway, that thought just came to mind.
I do wish the outfitter good luck, and though something like this definitely wouldn't be for me, I am sure there are many out there that would take him upon it. Obviously there wouldn't be a market for it, unless there were a viable customer base.
South African lion hunts are what they are I have no desire to mislead or try and hide any of the facts. I have hunted both wild lion (in Zambia) and captive bread lion (SA) and also have my own opinion but I don't go post it on other hunts offered. By the way most if not all of my competitors in SA are doing it the same way some just try and put a spin on things…..
That being said I would appreciate it if one could at least have enough self-control to form another post and discuss the morals of lion hunting in great detail as another topic.
Gentleman they will close lion hunting as a whole soon then luckily we do not need to debate about it any more.
And guess what Africa is disappearing as we speak..... so keep fighting each other we are sure getting a lot done for the greenies.
Best Regards Louis van Bergen
For those who chose to only hunt in the most remote of wilderness, without dogs, bait, electronic gizmos etc...these hunts that are on the radar may be your best friend...as long as they are around...the anti's etc are not focussing on your preferred method/animal/area etc.
If they are successfull in shutting them down however....rest assured they will come looking at what and how you hunt.
I think Ive used my 2 cents up.