Permethrin
General Topic
Contributors to this thread:
Aftermerl 03-Oct-15
Aftermerl 03-Oct-15
Drahthaar 03-Oct-15
steeler 03-Oct-15
Aftermerl 03-Oct-15
huntr4477 03-Oct-15
Greg Kush 03-Oct-15
huntingbob 04-Oct-15
lewis 04-Oct-15
r-man 04-Oct-15
z hunter 05-Oct-15
From: Aftermerl
03-Oct-15
I've been a fan since the late 80's of Permethrin. Whether it was Permanon or Repel the product was very effective on ticks, chiggers and to a lesser degree Mosquitoes. This summer I noticed this new product Sawyers and since I was in need I purchased some. I applied it quite liberally to my pants, shirt, and boots, and as usual allowed it to dry over night. On opening day I walked all around in the high grass of my hunting area with little concern for insects. as it turns out I received a hand full of chigger bites on my lower legs. Not something to severe, but slightly annoying. My question is , is Sawyers all its cracked up to be or is it a cheap knock off.

From: Aftermerl
03-Oct-15
FYI: My pants were tucked into my boots.

From: Drahthaar
03-Oct-15
Never used Sawyers, wouldn't go in the woods with out Permanon. Forrest

From: steeler
03-Oct-15
Check the active ingredients label. Not all Sawyers has permethrin in the ingredients.

From: Aftermerl
03-Oct-15
All the ingredients match-up 0.05% Permethrin. I think what gauls me, is the young fellow I was with got ate up by both ticks and chiggers. I used the occasion as a teachable moment. Explaining the benefits of one doing their due diligence, yet my own efforts didn't quite meet expectations

From: huntr4477
03-Oct-15
I have used Sawyers for years with no problems. When I was in a hog blind in TX,I actually watched ticks crawl up my pant leg and drop dead before they even made it as high as my knee!

Bob

From: Greg Kush
03-Oct-15
My experiences are the same as huntr4477. Is there a date on the bottle? Maybe you got an old one or something and it lost some of its potency.

From: huntingbob
04-Oct-15
The stuff works however you spell it. I bought an insectecide made from the same stuff to spray on my dads Aspen trees in the back yard and it only took one day to be insect free. Otherwise get a battery operated unit.

From: lewis
04-Oct-15
We treat our clothes with the concentrated permethrin from the co op dilute spray the clothes with pressure sprayer let dry good to go for the yr.good luck Lewis

From: r-man
04-Oct-15
yea, .5% or better, 0.05% wont cut it, try Bangal flying insect spray , great water based can. no scent once dried , and its a huge can, we buy 6 for the season. also good around the house. call them and get the one you want, they have two types, only one has permithrin, the other type stinks to high heaven

From: z hunter
05-Oct-15
I havent seen a tick or chigger since i started using this method. Which i typ. treat my clothes with the 1yr protection dosage.

I also dip the top 3" of my socks and clothes pin the toes up to dry, keeps the ankle biters away.

Have been hearing/reading bad things about Oak Mites, but i dont believe they are bad in my area, as i have been in numerous oak trees lately with no unexplained bites.

Permethrin Fabric Treatment Options:

There are three specific dosages used to impregnate fabric with permethrin.

For protection up to one year (52 weeks): 0.125-mg permethrin per square centimeter of fabric. The protection will last for the life of the garment, 50 detergent launderings, or 1 year, whichever comes first. It is accomplished by applying a dosage of 1 pint of .8% mixture to a garment using Perma-kill 13.3% permethrin Solution by way of Controlled Wicking, Spraying or Soaking (see below).

For protection up to 6 weeks: 0.026 mg per square centimeter of fabric will yield 6 weeks of protection or 6 launderings and is accomplished by applying 2-1/2 ounces of .5% (1/2%) mixture to a garment by aerosol spray or non-aerosol spray.

For protection up to 2 weeks: 0.008 mg per square centimeter of fabric will yield 2 weeks of protection or 2 launderings and is accomplished by applying 1-1/2 ounces .5% (1/2%) mixture to a garment by aerosol spray or non-aerosol spray.

TOTAL FABRIC IMPREGNATION W/ PERMAKILL 13.3% SOLUTION ( 52 weeks ) Best suited for fabrics of cotton and cotton blend. May darken light colors or pastels due to the quantity of permethrin applied with this dosage. Clothing to be treated must be washable and suitable for exposure to water. Dry Clean Only products should not be treated. Do not treat underwear. Controlled Wicking - This follows the military procedure for personal application when spray application is not possible. The process is a controlled wicking process where a specific amount (dose) of permethrin is introduced to an individual garment under controlled conditions. You will need: a - pint measuring cup b - 1 ounce measurer c - several 2 gallon sealable plastic bags (e.g. Ziplock ™) d - a bottle of 13.3% permethrin Solution e - water f - clothing (Do not treat any under garments; treat outer garments only.) g - several large rubber bands h - rubber gloves

Instructions: Wear rubber gloves when handling wet solution. Add 1 ounce of Perma-kill 13.3% permethrin to measuring cup and top off with 15 ounces of clean water to make 1 pint. Roll garment to be treated tightly to a size that will fit into bag and secure roll with rubber bands. Place garment into the bag, add the mixed (1 pint) of permethrin solution and seal the bag while removing excess air. Put bag aside for 2 hours minimum to allow thorough wicking. Remove garment, unroll the garment to ensure entire garment is damp without dry spots, air dry, mark with treatment date (month/year) and store. If wicking is not complete, roll garment and return to bag.

Note: Proper mixing of the permethrin with water by way of agitation/shaking is critical. Improperly mixed solution will leave a blotchy appearance on fabric caused by the permethrin and water not being thoroughly blended and/or separation during the wicking process. Make certain that you mix the solution completely before adding to the bag containing the garment to be treated.

This method has been tested and delivers protection within the following guideline - Properly completed, this procedure will impregnate the garment with a dosage of approximately 0.125-mg permethrin per square centimeter. The protection will last for the life of the garment, 50 detergent launderings, or 1 year, whichever comes first.

Note: Measuring cups (a) & (b) and sealable plastic bags (c), must be dedicated only to this process and not used for ANY other purpose.

Spraying - Wear rubber gloves when handling wet solution. A respirator is recommended. For treatment of a single garment add 1 ounce of Perma-kill 13.3% permethrin to measuring cup and top off with 15 ounces of clean water to make 1 pint of mixed solution in an appropriate pump up garden sprayer, or trigger spray. Lay clothing out and spray until wet using one half the mixture, flip over and spray until entire contents of container are applied, hang and let air dry.

For treatment of 8 garments mix 8 ounces of Perma-kill 13.3% permethrin with 120 ounces of water to make 1 gallon of mixed solution in an appropriate pump up garden sprayer. Lay clothing out and spray until wet, flip over and spray until wet, hang and let air dry. One gallon of mixed solution will treat eight garments (@ 1 pint per garment) with the proper dosage of permethrin. See section on garments for proper definition of garment.

Note: Proper mixing of the permethrin with water by way of agitation/shaking is critical. Improperly mixed solution will leave a blotchy appearance on fabric caused by the permethrin and water not being thoroughly blended. Make certain that you mix the solution completely before application and occasionally during application.

Submersion - Wear rubber gloves when handling wet solution. Follow all instructions for Controlled Wicking. Limit garment or equivalent (see section on garments for proper definition of garment) to 1-pint of mixed solution. Substitute pail or other dedicated container for sealable plastic bags. Note: Proper mixing of the permethrin with water by way of agitation/shaking or stirring is critical. Improperly mixed solution will leave a blotchy appearance on fabric caused by the permethrin and water not being thoroughly blended. Make certain that you mix the solution completely before submersing garment.

Storage - The ideal storage is to pack into plastic bag after it's completely dry (black garbage bags are perfect) and store in a dark place when not in use.

Garments - A garment consists of one pair of long pants (or an alternate of two pairs of short pants) or one long sleeve shirt (or an alternate of two T-shirts). Garments to be treated must be treated individually except when treating an alternate. When treating an alternate both items (e.g.: two pair of shorts or two T-shirts) must be treated at the same time. An alternate pair must be made of like material to ensure accurate wicking of the full dosage. Example - do not combine cotton blend with a nylon garment.

PARTIAL FABRIC IMPREGNATION W/ .5% (1/2%) permethrin ( 2 or 6 weeks ) Other permethrin Dosages - There are two other dosages that have been tested for clothing treatment. Both rely on a .5% (1/2%) solution, which is available in pre-mixed 6-ounce containers (either aerosol or non-aerosol).

0.026 mg per square centimeter of fabric will yield 6 weeks of protection or 6 launderings and is accomplished by applying by 2 1/2 ounces to a garment by aerosol spray or non-aerosol spray. Retreat garments after 6 weeks or sixth laundering.

0.008 mg per square centimeter of fabric will yield 2 weeks of protection or 2 launderings and is accomplished by applying by 1 1/2 ounces to a garment by aerosol spray or non-aerosol spray. Retreat garments after 2 weeks or second laundering.

Note: For trips of short duration (6 weeks or less) the use of Duranon Tick & Mosquito Repellent at the proper dosage is far more convenient than total fabric impregnation.

There are many recipes for use of this product while only three have been tested. Only rely on tested methods for best protection. One frequently mentioned method is WRONG, here it is - Add the concentrate to the final rinse cycle while washing your clothing. DO NOT DO THIS! First you will over dilute the product thereby reducing its strength and effectiveness significantly. Secondly, you will be flushing the excess product into the environment through sewers or septic systems. Always follow manufacturer's instructions as the basis for use. This combination of permethrin treated clothing and a topical deet based repellent on exposed skin is known as the DOD system (Department Of Defense) and is recognized to perform at nearly 100% effectiveness. The deet repellent can be any repellent of less than 35% deet concentration. Keep in mind that no protection system will be 100% effective and that you must use other means to supplement the repellent.

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