New bacteria that causes Lyme disease.
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CDC discovers new bacteria species that causes Lyme disease
Researchers have discovered a second type of bacteria that causes Lyme disease that is carried by the same deer tick, but that veers from the condition’s typical symptom of a “bull’s eye” rash.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) with the Mayo Clinic and health officials from Minnesota, Wisconsin and North Dakota said in a press release Monday that the bacteria Borrelia mayonii, as well as the previously known bacteria Borrelia burgdorferi, can cause Lyme disease.
“This discovery adds another important piece of information to the complex picture of tick-borne diseases in the United States,” Dr. Jeannine Petersen, microbiologist at the CDC, said in the release.
Lyme disease, a tick-borne illness, infects more than 200,000 Americans per year, and, if left untreated, can cause potentially life-threatening damage to the heart, joints and nervous system. If treated early with antibiotics, its early symptoms of fever, headache and fatigue can pass after two to four weeks, according to the Mayo Clinic.
The CDC said in the release that the newly discovered bacteria is associated with those symptoms plus nausea and vomiting, as well as diffuse rashes and a higher concentration of bacteria in the blood. The first-discovered bacteria was associated with a rash that forms a “bull’s eye” shape.
Scientists discovered the new species when six of 9,000 samples of people suspected of having Lyme in Minnesota, Wisconsin and North Dakota were found to have bacteria that was genetically distinct from B. burgdorferi. After DNA sequencing, researchers found the bacteria belonged to a different Borrelia species. According to the release, a culture test at the CDC analyzed blood from two of the patients.
The CDC said their findings suggest the new bacteria is limited to the upper Midwest. The agency couldn’t identify it in any of the other estimated 25,000 blood samples drawn during the same period from residents suspected of having Lyme in the other 43 U.S. states— including in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic, where Lyme borne of B. burgdorferi is most common.
I love the comments. Apparently walking in the woods is a "new health fad" lmao
Interesting, although I don't trust a single word the CDC says about Lyme disease... or anything now for that matter. They've been proven wrong thousands of times over, still won't face or dispell the truth, and have caused immeasurable suffering because of it.
Bad news for folks hunting the upper Midwest if you can't even rely on the old purple bullseye to know if you need to get the full course of antib's.
I once got into a batch of deer ticks and it scared the heck out of me. I went to my Dr. who is usually very cautious about prescribing meds and he put me on antibiotics without blinking an eye. I had no Bulls eye rash not even itchy bumps. I'm not aware of another round of antibiotics after that. I'm sure if you had a full blown case you'd be on all sorts of stuff. Maybe someone else had the same experience or even a different one.
Even with traditional Lyme's from B. burgdorferi, you don't always get the bull's eye rash.
My son ,33 yrs old, was hospitalized in Dec. 2015 and was put on IV therapy for lymes and was found dead by his brother Jan 20. Still waiting on the complete ME report, but his heart rhythms were very irregular and his health was up and down from day to day after the hospitalization. The tick was buried in the inner thigh and was swollen purple area the size of a normal fist, he doesn't hunt but like to take his daughter for a walk in the woods and parks. Just have to pay more attention to the body after coming in from the hunt or outdoors activity, this stuff can make your good day into a bad one very quick.
Jjs,
Very sorry to hear about your son. Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
Mark
I was bitten, had the rash, and was diagnosed as having Lyme's back in 2001. I have never felt so bad. I have never hurt so bad. It made chemo seem like a joy ride. It was terrible. When I half crawled/half walked into the doctors office, I had a 102 degree fever. I showed them the rash, they shot a big syringe of antibiotics in me before taking blood. In 20 minutes, my fever was down to 99.9. However, after taking the 30 days of antibiotics, I never have gotten back to normal. My neck stays stiff. I developed a mild form of arthritis. It sucks. I ache a lot in my joints. I strongly advise anyone who has the means to get the vaccine to get it. Period. God Bless
I'll 2nd that justin I had arliciosus not spelled right and I get boughts that stress brings on but never gos past 4 hrs usally best I can tell. In my system for life. I was sick for a sold 6 weeks down 20 years ago from a wood tic. I had 2 blood tests done at that time a reg test was negative but the frozen test cam back possitive and got on the meds couple days later. That was a tuff one also for me. I always worry about any tics that can transmit its not just deer tic. I don't believe haulf the stuff that big medicine is telling us about all the Lymes buisness. Once you go through it you see for yourself. My Dr. actually laughed at me and said there's no cases of rocky Mt.spotted fever out east here. I said like heck do this test my friends son had both stands one after the other and he told me it's a frozen test they send out frozen and that's when I came back having that and then it came down on me heavy. A wood tic big old sucker pulled him out and thought I'm good now but no way I went down.
They say Vacine only works on the animals not humans? I have my dog done everyyear plus spray her up when we are out hunting as well as myself and when out shooting. White shirts tic'c like I found out as well.
Lymes is very often accompanied by other co-infections that respond to different medications. WV Mountaineer, I'd check into further medical testing and treatment. The arthritic type symptems and stiff neck sound a lot like the symptoms of babesia to me.
My wife was bitten by a wood tick in Montana and still suffers from symptoms even after treatment. The longer the spirochettes live in your system the harder it is to completely rid your body of them.
My wife worked with a Lyme's specialist just outside Washington D.C. to develop a treatment protocol of medications. P.M. if you would like their information. It is several doctors working together who do nothing but treat Lymes.
http://www.lyme-symptoms.com/LymeCoinfectionChart.html
Permethrin is sold in concentrate at feed/seed.I've hunted many a day with it on my clothes so don't sweat the odor.
There is no lyme vaccine currently available. One existed about 25 yeas ago, but it was taken off the market due to side effects. It also was not effective against all strains of lyme that were know at the time the vaccine was offered.
WV Mountaineer, if they stopped your antibiotics after a month, that was too soon, PERIOD. The bacteria has a life cycle longer than that, and the antibiotics don't work as effectively on all phases of the cycles... you never killed them all. Like my Lyme guy said.... "Now we have to kill the babies" :^)
They never should have stopped if you still had symptoms.
I went to a Lyme specialist after the unknowing doctors and surgeons I went to here failed. He had me on antibiotics for over a year, if I remember correctly. I can check my records, I kept an almost daily journal of my battle(which I, any my Lyme specialist, highly recommend). I didn't really start feeling better for several weeks, and then recovery was painfully slow. They say the longer you've have it, the longer it will take to get rid of it. At my lowest I was bad, practically bedridden with inflammation and joint pain, terrible constant, headaches, heart arrhythmia, and a lot more, now I feel 100%. I certainly don't think you should settle for 'I'll always have it'.
If you like, I can help you find a Lyme Literate M.D. closer to you, or give you the name of my guy here in Pa. Folks have come from all over the world to see him.
P.M. me for more info.
John, I'm sorry for your loss. You have my sincere condolences.
I had lymes disease in 1991 1 year after hunting in a swamp. I did have a rash on my thigh but thought nothing of it back then. My neck became stiff, my hands were shaky and my eyes fluttered and would not focus at times. I was treated by a specialist in western pa taking 3 different antibiotics for a year. I needed to have blood tests once a month to make sure the liver was not being damaged by all the meds. From what the doc said when you have lymes long enough it gets under the brain membrane and in the spinal cord and needs to be treated aggressively for a period of time to kill it off and not to have any relapse. I have been lymes free since then. John you have my deepest sympathies I am sorry for your loss.
Only approximately one third of DIAGNOSED Lyme sufferers have the bullseye rash... yet many doctors STILL insist that if you don't have the bullseye, you don't have Lyme Disease, or that it can only be transmitted by the deer tick, or that there's no such thing as chronic Lyme, or that if short term antibiotics don't cure it, it must be something else... and on and on....
Don't blindly trust them to know and do the right thing. MANY folks with Lyme are walking around undiagnosed and misdiagnosed. It's your health. Knowledge is power.
What Jeff said! In addition, the general medical profession is still learning (in many cases reluctantly) about lyme. I had it for a few years before being diagnosed and it took about two years to get it knocked back. I was told at the time that if we found the correct antibiotic for the particular strain of lyme that I had, I would be cured. Now the prevailing view is that you probably can never be cured, but that the best that you can hope for is to keep it in remission. Either way it is bad stuff. John please accept my condolences.
I live in NY near the hudson river, moist sandy soil. I have had 100 plus ticks on me and my clothing after turkey hunting. There is a doctor in our area that now says once you contract Lyme disease you always have Lyme disease. It just goes dormant and that doxycycilyne(sp?) does help with Lyme disease but is not a cure. I do have a tip someone gave me and it works. Head and shoulders or dandruff shampoo has an ingredient that the ticks do not like, if you are worried you have some on you after a day in the woods, shower with it and use a small amount to wash your body. They drop off very quickly. I have used it and it works. Shawn