What exactly is this super secret, super effective system?
Lots of folks bash TBM because of all the comments he tosses around. I'm curious to see if he really knows anything and if he is really willing to help other hunters.
It's just a turkey. They can't even smell! Just get up early and put in your time and you'll kill one. If there's to much pressure the best system is probably go somewhere else. Good luck.
Over & out.
TBM, I don't wish you any ill will, but you gotta learn your arrogance and belittling is such a downer. ESPECIALLY OVER TURKEYS!!!
You have a neat custom blind. I can see how that might be useful. I assume that it can be set up quickly and quietly. And i have seen some turkeys shy away from big hub blinds.
I can see how the cali guys approach of just hiding in natural cover could offer similar benefits. That is how i usually hunt when using a shotgun. It definitely works.
But what else? A way to hide is not a "system "
TBM has come on many threads. He has boasted and bragged. He has also belittled and insulted many folks.
But he has also killed a lot of turkeys.
I want to see if he can add anything positive to this forum.
That's a fact, you don't have no pride, you're nothing but pride!
Good luck this spring Steve.
I'm not sure if this is part of it or not... but, it can't hurt!
(Pronounced 'L?h-'nérd 'Skin-'nérd)
Train roll on, system on the line, Won't you please take me far, far away Now I feel the wind blow, outside my door, I'm leavin' my woman at home, oh yeah Turkey's gone with the wind, Oh my boots are gone, gone with the wind And I don't know, oh, where I'm goin' I just want to be left alone When this train ends, I'll try again I'm leavin' my woman at home
Turkey's gone with the wind Turkey's gone with the wind Turkey's gone with the wind My baby's gone, with the wind Train roll on, Tuesday's gone
Train roll on many miles from my home, see I'm I'm ridin' my hamblaster, away yeah But Turkey you see, my boots had to be free Somehow I got to, to carry on
Turkey's gone with the wind Turkey's gone with the wind Turkey's gone with the wind My boots are gone, with the wind
"Give me tree steps, give me tree steps, Mister, give me tree steps towards the doe...."
(With help from Orion....)
Charlie Daniels Band is turkey huntin music !
Isn't anything useful that you can pass on to other turkey hunters?
He will offer nothing......simply toot his little horn.
Dont believe they are still in business.
On a serious note, would be neat to see an idea that is working. Before Double Bull blinds were a thing, I ran into some guys that made simple burlap blinds for their own use. It was a 3'+ tall by about 7' wide strip of camo burlap with 4 or 5 vertical stakes sewn in spaced evenly. The river bottom was full of cedars and they would use a cedar as a backdrop and stake the blind out in a semi circle in front. Had a couple notches for shooting. They unrolled and set up fast and the guys said they had been killing birds for several years with them.
The snazzy blind can't help find birds or bring birds within range. It might help with the actual shooting but that is the end. Finding birds and getting them within bow range is the hardest part.
So, how does "the system" find birds or bring them in range?
Come on Bighurt, I'm givng you every chance to actually contribute and add something positive to the bowsite. So far, you haven't delivered...
BigHurt, I've read everything you've posted this season on turkey hunting and watched your YouTube videos. There is nothing present in any of these, which is above the basic beginner level of turkey hunting.
I've been killing exclusively mature toms for years with laminated wood bows and cedar arrows...from natural and commercial blinds. My average shot is between 10-15'. I solely run commercial blinds now, as I can sleep in them and wake up to pull shots off when doing long 'blind eyed sits.' Ha! I've never worried about brushing or hiding my huge Double Bull Recurve model blind. Turkeys do not care. This is for both private and hard hunted public birds. They do not care.
In TN we have approximately half a million birds estimated by TWRA. Alabama has approximately 1/4 more any given year. BigHurt, you hunt where there are lots of birds, and this is the foremost factor in one's success rate.
Panther Bone, I totally agree with you. Turkeys don't care about what blinds you use. The biggest contributor to success is the bird population. Second is being patient.
I find this very true and that's where a healthy population comes in. More turkeys to hunt gives you more turkeys that have not been pressured.
All good turkey hunters that consistently kill mature birds, like our California brethren, are well aware of the problems associated with pressured birds and take extra precautions to minimize exposing themselves and pressuring turkeys. If you have the ability to not overhunt a property and can rotate hunts between properties it helps a lot. Softer and less calling can also help kill pressured birds that have been hammered by calls as the season progresses. Using different types of callers than are normally used can also help. Break out a trumpet or wingbone on a gobbler that has been hunted hard with mouth calls & box calls and it can almost be magic sometimes.
Turkeys are Turkeys...go getcha some and have fun!
"The Cali guy have it easy. Those birds are retarded."
OK, I am soooooooo jealous of that one, Kyle, dang!
Some of the easiest birds I've killed were in FL, AL, MS and I've had my ass-kicked in NM, SD, TX, KS.
Some of the hardest birds I didn't kill were in FL, AL, MS and I've found the (can't use the word since I have a nephew so challenged) in NM, SD, TX and KS.
They're friggin' turkeys, guys. Their balls are 10 times bigger than their brains...kind of like all three high school graduates....oh, never mind.
There are quite a few hunters on here who can kill turkeys about anywhere they go, from coast to coast. Been there, done that, recognize the skills.
It can be just like elk hunting. I know you western guys scoff at that but, it really is if you are hunting an area that you can walk a long ways. The last time I hunted the Talladega National Forest, my gps said I walked over 15 miles a day, 5 of the 6 days I was hunting. Before daylight to after dark. You simply walk until you get a response then try to figure out how to kill him. If you are hunting places you are confined, you must play the waiting game. The key is being around them. If you spend your time in places turkeys spend their time, you WILL have the chance to kill one.
I remember the article Will Primos stated that about WV turkeys. He credited the extremely steep and rugged terrain and, the problems setting up on them it creates, as the reason for ranking them the hardest to kill. Steep and rough makes it physically grueling. But, steep and rough makes setting up on birds a downright shot in the dark too. That's the hardest part. Getting them to cooperate in this kind of terrain is nearly impossible.
God Bless men.
Alabama is approximately 26,000 square miles smaller than NE. This would equate to a greater population density in AL than what NE offers. Add to this the greater degree of developed land in AL, and the matter is accentuated. I've been to NE and killed Merriams in Chadron. NE, best my young eyes could tell, is way more open and undeveloped than AL.
Your AL hunting, like mine in TN, is better suited to success because of this. When you find holdings of birds, they should be 'denser.'
It's hard to say how many birds NE holds, to be fair, due to their shoddy estimating procedures.
I'm glad you kill birds. I hope you have a healthy and happy season. Seriously, though, give up the bravado. It's grounded on shaky sand, friend.
I've never hunted WV, but it looks like a challenge. I know it's beautiful!
The spots I hunt in Nebraska usually have somewhere around 10 to 15 birds (with about 2 or 3 longbeards) on the entire property. These properties average around 200 acres each. I'm not even sure I'd enjoy hunting a spot with the type of density that TBM mentioned above. I enjoy the challenge of hunting a small number of birds.
I'm a bit stymied right now, though, because the few birds in the areas I hunt haven't left their wintering properties yet which are all on other properties in the area. I have zero birds on my spots at the moment. After they start breaking up, that is when the dozen or so birds move into the spots I have permission to hunt.
Good point but these damn turkey posts sure make it sound too complicated for someone with my ability, therefore I fish in the spring..... :)
Mr. Engel, you mentioned that I am likely jealous, which is one hell of a observation considering I clearly noted that in my original post.
However, my jealously is not driven by a lack of personal success but rather by a desire to be able to hunt turkeys outside of a blind. I have only been able to bag a handful of birds outside of a blind over the last decade.
I think HUNT MAN is right. Its more about the amount of pressure the birds get than anything else. Birds that are hunted a lot eventually get educated.
I guess what I should have said is that the cali guys videos feature birds that seem like they have never/rarely been hunted before. In a couple of the video's the hunter is clearly drawing a bow in the sight line of a turkey but the bird does not run away. This is not possible where I normally hunt. And a camera man is in tow as well.
The cali guys are obviously very skilled hunters which is evident by the number of birds they bag. Kudos to them on all their success.
Kind of painted yourself into a corner didn't ya
That guy had way too much shine.....
At what temperature do turkeys condense from turkey vapor?
Ironically, density is the word you are looking for, and I don't mean as in "Peoples in den-sities don't know nuttin bout no gosh darn-o turka huntin."
The take home from this thread is that someone at a very minimum has killed 200 gobblers.
5 birds /yr X 40 years.....
I think if the World is looking for their Greatest Hunter he has been found....
I hunt all year to kill a big whitetail. I could fill both of my turkey tags in one day, most days, every year.
Great spring fun and a great hunt to get kids started but seems like a funny thing to make a big deal out of.
Are we so desperate for internet traffic that we let these type threads grow? Oh well what do I know I'm from Flar-Duh Mike
This is all due to TBM's behavior. It has nothing to do with his address.
Rebel lives matter.......
Should I piss under the blind wall, in the corner of the blind, or out the camera window. Maybe the shooting window would be more appropriate?
Should I get out to take a deuce or just dig a hole inside the blind?
Shall I drink Makers in camp or go cheap and get me some Wild Turkey 101?
Obviously, these decisions can lead to a myriad of other consequences/decisions to be made and I'm often left sitting in the blind completely confounded. Feel free to add to my list :)
Couldn't help myself
Should I get out to take a deuce or just dig a hole inside the blind?
Shall I drink Makers in camp or go cheap and get me some Wild Turkey 101?
Obviously, these decisions can lead to a myriad of other consequences/decisions to be made and I'm often left sitting in the blind completely confounded. Feel free to add to my list :)
Couldn't help myself
That sounds like the descisions I had to make in the deer blind the outfitter in Kansas stuck me in LOL
Mike
I am your Huckleberry !
When you finish that book, be sure & read the sequel "Hell I Wish I was There" by Rowdy Dowdy!
Elena Sandidge says: February 9, 2015 at 2:39 am I’m aware of Hucklebearer as a phrase and I understand where you’re coming from as far as Val’s drunken Southern accent goes. In some parts of Tombstone it does sound like hucklebearer and in others it sounds like Huckleberry. The original script used Huckleberry. Whether or not Val decided to deviate and use Hucklebearer, we’ll never know for sure. If I can ever pin down Val for an interview, I guarantee you that will be a question I’ll ask! When Kevin Jarre was asked about ‘I’m your huckleberry’ he said that it was just something that he made up that sounded good. As you can see from my newspaper clip though, the phrase was fashionable back then and was being used in this Dodge City Times article in 1880, just a year before the gunfight in Tombstone. Whether or not the real Doc Holliday used either of these phrases we’ll never know for sure. He did say “You’re a daisy if you have” before shooting Frank McLaury during the gunfight though??
I feel guilty even typing one word on this thread because it will bump to the top. But someone else will bump it anyway so what the hell.
Rabbits are way smarter than turkeys. Think about it... they are hunted by us and every predator that walks crawls and flies. I have a secret system for fooling them though. I invented it myself I swear. I call it a beagle.
They sure are nice and dumb by the thousands there and we have many systems that will out produce anything you do.
One we call the Sneakin Mohican. It's actually from a cartoon. It's where you pick the blind up from inside and keep moving toward the bird until you are in range. I'm dead serious. Yeah... those birds over there are geniuses.
One year at Gobble and Grunt we stacked up 380 of them and that was the east camp only!
Whatever dude.... I hope you didn't spend your kids college fund to produce those things. Poor boy is gonna end up working at a toilet paper factory or something.
...and please explain the fourth gobbler?
If you don't want the shits, don't drink out of the beaver pond.
Killing a turkey from a blind, with a bow is no harder than killing one without a blind using a shot gun. At the ranges they are when they are being shot, you could cut their throat with a tree stand saw. Not arguing. Just sayin'....
I get it. You love turkey hunting. Are driven to do it. I am too. However, few know that woods hunting them is far different from prairie or farm birds. Because, a lot of guys are forced to field hunt them. And, don't know what it is like to have to really get after them in an environment where everything is working in favor of the birds and, not the hunter.
It simply doesn't require huge amounts of effort to hunt "farm" birds. Nor does it garner a whole lot of "special systems". You go, set up a blind. Set out decoys and, shoot them at 12 yards. It's simply not worthy of huge amounts of praise when done this way. I'm not putting you down. I understand the passion with spring gobbler hunting. It's my thing too. But, killing them out of a blind doesn't take systems, smarts, etc...
I'm sure you do your share of hunting without blinds too. So, you know what I'm saying here. No jab intended.
God Bless men
Couldn't disagree more.
The Sneaking Mohican is a great name for that tactic.... we tried that using a DoubleBull T2 a few years ago hunting Rios in S. TX Senderos. We may be trying it next week here in TN.
TBM I couldn't care less about some elk kill. And you're not the first guy to stroll out and kill a raghorn on is first hunt. Some people kill monsters on their first hunt or two. To your credit though that doesn't diminish the accomplishment. More power to all elk hunters because it's never easy. Killing and packing a bull is something to be proud of. But you can be proud without being smug.
I'm glad I had no bearing on your hunt. Especially since you shot the one in the ass, which happens, but you didn't even care. I think a lack of respect for both the game you hunt and for other hunters is the reason you get under people's skin.
It's pretty hilarious when you look at the caliber of hunters on here and your claim to superior intelligence is based on a bunch of dead turkeys. I now I now, they are the smartist turkeys on the planit. Butt still.
Anyway welcome back. ;-)
