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Major changes for Ontario bear 2017
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Contributors to this thread:
spike buck 25-Apr-16
SteveB 25-Apr-16
Ibow 25-Apr-16
spike buck 25-Apr-16
Alexis Desjardins 26-Apr-16
oakhunter 26-Apr-16
Assasin 26-Apr-16
Wv hillbilly 26-Apr-16
Screwball 26-Apr-16
spike buck 27-Apr-16
bearbaiter 27-Apr-16
spike buck 27-Apr-16
skull 01-May-16
Charlie Rehor 02-May-16
Rayzor 05-May-16
spike buck 08-May-16
Ibow 08-May-16
skull 08-May-16
spike buck 08-May-16
Ibow 09-May-16
spike buck 09-May-16
From: spike buck
25-Apr-16
Beings that I am a Bowsite Sponsor,

I feel it is my duty to tell all of the changes that have happened PROVINCE WIDE.

All outfitters will now be allocated a certain number of form 33's, a form which all non-resident hunters must have on their person while bear hunting within their outfitters Bear Management Area (BMA). In other words, just like the Western Privinces.

Pine Acres Camp is for the most part, fine for 2016.

BUT I was told to take NO BOOKINGS for 2017. Bear outfitters ( ones who know of the new allocations)have now been told that the allocation for 2017 is unknown for now.

I guarantee I will keep everyone posted!!!

From: SteveB
25-Apr-16
Let the "games" begin. Allocations = controlled government revenue.

From: Ibow
25-Apr-16
Gosh, do the games by politicians with Ontario bear hunting outfitters ever end? Hope things work out.

From: spike buck
25-Apr-16
Most Ontario outfitters have no idea yet!! Thanks goes to Skull, for the tip.

26-Apr-16
U may not think so right now but I think that's a good thing the government is doing there. I maybe wrong but I am glad our government is doing what it is on our non res allocations, there is data on what's being taken for big game, they have a leg to stand on when it comes to fighting the antis. Just my 2 cents, wish u guys the best hope it all works out.

From: oakhunter
26-Apr-16
This an absolute shame, I have been hunting Ontario in the fall the past 10 seasons as a non resident, to place restrictions on non resident hunters and the number of validation seals their outfitter receives hurts the province. It decimates the cottage country industry in Northern Ontario - less booked cottage rentals and moneys spent by non residents, and licenses.Yet residents may apply for second tags? My fall hunt this year is likely botched after my guide contacted me, stating he only received a few non- res tags, and likely they will be used up this spring.These tags are for fall and spring...If you booked a hunt this spring call your outfitter they may NOT know about the number of non-res validations they were given. You might not be able to go. How does the outfitter survive? by increasing prices?Hope their ministry takes a hard look at the number of bears harvested in their pilot spring bear hunt, and then perhaps offer a few more for fall for the outfitters to aid in their business. The City of Sudbury had severe issues last year as most of the semi populated North country did with bears last summer. The ministry claimed to have a plan to harvest more bears. A lot of Tourist/hunter dollars will be lost,bad for the Province..not good for the big game sport, and not good for all of the North Country businesses that count on the revenue of non resident hunters.... I hope they make a mid-game decision for the fall, for my own selfish reasons ( I wanna Go) but I really have made a large group of friends and associates in Canada from previous bear hunts, and years of rentals, fishing etc, that were counting on their Government to bring tourism .

From: Assasin
26-Apr-16
The tv news story has caught the attention of local officials and an investagion is under way. What they are doing is back door politics at its worst. Don't ruin the bear hunt like you did in 1999.

26-Apr-16
Does this affect anyone booked for this year?

From: Screwball
26-Apr-16
Yes it will affect hunters and outfitters. Some outfitters had booked hunters but now have no permits for them. Dirty underhanded political move. Been hunting Pine Acres since 1983, seen and hear it all but never thought I'd see this.

From: spike buck
27-Apr-16
Wvhillbilly, I have permits for your (Fall) group. Many are affected for this year. Pine Acres spring hunt is secure.

One camp E. of here sold his Archery bear camp. Now the sale fell flat and his business is in ruins because he took very few hunters in 2012,13 & 14.

This year they are taking 2012,13 &14 numbers of Form 33's, then they divide by 3.

They just announced this less than a week before hunting season opens. After all camps traveled to shows all winter and spent upwards of $30,0000.00 promoting travel to Ontario.

From: bearbaiter
27-Apr-16
that is so unfair how they run the outfitters around, like announcing the season is a go ahead a week or few weeks before season. how can the outfitters get hunters to commit when they don' t know whats' going on. or to expect them to run a business all the clientel's like to book from a year to 6 months before the hunt so it puts ontario out of the picture. it doesn't hurt me im in manitoba but i feel bad for the outfitters in ontario, must be hard to deal with all that. i hope you guys do get allocations though, things run smoothly here in manitoba it's very organised.

From: spike buck
27-Apr-16
Allocations are here for 2017. My biggest peave is they announce changes a week before a hunt starts. I will go into it with an open mind. It works elsewhere, why not here.

Change is never nice to who it effects, but it is the "Future of Bear hunting in Ontario."

It's here, let's get use to it and plan for the future.

From: skull
01-May-16
For the first time in 17 years, the spring bear hunt is now open all across Ontario, including the northern region. But as the hunt returns, environmental lobbyists are ramping up in opposition.

The return of the spring bear hunt is political said AnnaMaria Valastro, a lead campaigner with Peaceful Parks. "It's not about keeping people safe."

She wrote an editorial in the Toronto Star last week, calling for the spring bear hunt to once again be deemed illegal.

She feels the hunt is unethical and is more about making money for outfitters than keeping the public safe.

"We've never been able to win anything easily....So, we have no illusions. But that's not what's motivating us, we want is to have a public dialogue" said Valastro, who expects this to be a long fight.

Political divide between north and south

Valastro said it's unfortunate the bear hunt has become caught up in the political divide between north and south Ontario.

"These are large issues, intrinsic universal issues and no one person has domain over these issues more than another person." said Valastro.

She told CBC News she tried to get data from the Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry about the reason behind the return of the hunt and the science behind it.

She said she tried through a Freedom of Information request to get a report from the last two years of the MNRF pilot project. She received nothing.

Much of the lobbying in the 1990s to get the government to scrap the hunt came from the Schad Foundation.

"I don't believe it was a north-south issue, it wasn't a conservation issue, it was an issue of ethics." Founder Peter Kendall said, adding he felt the heart of the matter got lost in the political storm.

Ontario begins bear hunt season For the first time since 1999, Ontario is allowing the spring bear hunt to go ahead. (CBC file photo)

"We continue to review the preliminary data"

When CBC Sudbury requested a response from the MNRF, their communications representative, Jolanta Kowalski, emailed a statement.

"We continue to review the preliminary data we have. One of the reasons we decided to expand the pilot for five more years was to gather more data about the spring hunt.

"While science shows one of the biggest influence on the number of human-bear encounters is the availability of natural food sources, we also understand that bear-related public concerns are very real for people living in northern and central Ontario. We've extended the spring bear hunt pilot because we are committed to assisting those communities and to support economic growth and tourisum in northern and central Ontario."

This is the first year the bear hunt is open all across the province and not just in select areas, like it was over the last two trial years.

American and European hunters are also able to take part, for the first time since the hunt was cancelled in 1999.

The MNRF said the spring bear hunt is still officially a pilot project and will be re-evaluated by the province in five years

02-May-16
The joys of a one party political system. The US is heading that way.

From: Rayzor
05-May-16
Yep. Unfortunately, I agree.

From: spike buck
08-May-16
The camp owners had a meeting about the new bear regs. The OMNRF failed to show up, first time the general manager missed in over a decade.

Said she wasn't ready for the questions outfitters had about the new bear regs.

Sounds like they are softening their position on quota's according to NOTO, our outfitter association.

From: Ibow
08-May-16
That's unfortunate they didn't show. I'm wondering if the proposed limit on tags will eventually lead to a situation such as they have in Manitoba??? (which isn't all bad) Maybe I'm not understanding the whole situation in Ontario???

From: skull
08-May-16
Chuck , The way it works in Ontario is very easy..First you please the anti-hunters, then you please the natives, then whatever is left will take it, and have no say in it.

From: spike buck
08-May-16
The moose population has been decimated by brain worm, bears and wolves.

They decided to bring back the spring hunt to manage the bears, especially in the spring when the moose calves are born. Then they back step. They are worried that the residents are going to hunt bears in place of the moose hunt they once enjoyed. Residents from Toronto, Ottawa and all cities down south do not bear hunt past Sudbury. Toronto is over 1200 miles from Vermilion Bay.

Residents here ( west of Sudbury) wouldn't think of hunting bears as they can shoot them as nuicenses out the windows of their houses.

The only one out there baiting bears that I see is ME. No one else.

Then they decide to eliminate the wolf seal. A seal attached to a wolf once it is harvested. Reason for this decision to eliminate the seals was to promote wolf hunting, helping the moose in the long run.

They have just decided to cancel that plan ( elimination of wolf seals) due to over whelming votes that came in from the ANTIS. Moose population is still in peril.

As for the brain worm, the deer are rebounding very well. Deer are carriers of brain worm, moose are the host.

So, we will have no moose around for decades.

I almost got kicked out of the meeting Friday, as I called the Minister of Northern Development and Mines a a bold faced liar. I left early to go bear baiting.

As a side note, the Minnesota DNR were at our meeting on Friday to discuss the moose dilemma. But the OMNRF was AWOL.

Now, Ontario has the 2nd highest bear population in Canada. Second to BC. There is NO RATIONAL reason for a quota system. Chuck, Manitoba has less than 30,000 bears. Ontario 105,000 to 110,000 or more bears. An increase of over 35,000 bears since the closing of the spring hunt in 1999.

From: Ibow
09-May-16
Pasquale, Chris - thanks for your explanations. Very disappointing for sure. Ontario has such incredible potential, yet politics and politicians seem bent on doing what seems to be sensible. In many ways much the same here in MI and the US. Glad that there's still a few outfitters out there such as yourselves that have some common sense and work hard for their clients and do a great job despite the political culture they are forced to work around and through. Looking forward to your success this spring! Best wishes to both of you - you always seem to get it done!

From: spike buck
09-May-16
One positive with Ontario outfitters always dealing with the anti's is, we keep them busy and out of everyone else's hair!!!

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