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So I did the cursory search on the forum and didnt find anything recent.
I am currently shooting near a 15% FOC 430gr arrow with my regular Gold Tip nock (9gr).
Anyone have any lightweight lighted nock suggestions? Carbon Express Launchpad at 18gr seems the lightest.
Will 10gr extra on the back affect my tune? FP and FBBH are hitting the same POI out to 60 yards.
The only benefit I am looking for is a better visual on the arrow impact, and finding the arrow on a passthrough. Eyes are getting a bit older and not as good as they were when I was 20 something!
Or, should I just go with what I have?
Thanks
FWIW I just tried a Launchpad in my CE arrows. It was junk (stuck halfway down, so I had to drill it out), so I'm sticking with Nockturnals.
"Will 10gr extra on the back affect my tune?"
It will probably affect the tune slightly, be sure to check it.
Has anyone used the Clean-Shot nocks on Gold Tip velocity shafts? they are .246 ID and the Large bushing is for .244. They give a couple options to make the fit tighter
"place a plastic bag (like a sandwich bag) over the shaft opening and use a narrow object to push the plastic into the shaft."
That's high tech!
the Burt Coyote company "Lumanoc" makes them just for the GT arrows! no BS bushing or anything just plug um in..good luck MikeC
I doubt it will effect tune at all. Funny thing is if my bow is tuned properly I can screw on a 125 grain head and get great flight and I normally shoot 175 grain heads, same on nock end. I can shoot a regular 9 or 10 grain nock and then put in a 20 grain nocturnal and get the same flight. Shawn
Is the nocturnals still a PITA to turn off?
With the Lumanoc, It looks like you have to twist it out a bit to turn it off.
Charlie - of the 2 nocks, which "turn off" action do you like better?
Luminoks are my last choice. Nocturnals are a pain to turn off, but it's better than having it turn itself off during a pass-thru, which happened to me twice with Liminocs. I switched to Nocturnals two years ago and have zero complaints. You can turn them off with a knife point.
I wouldn't worry about the weight. It's a non-factor.
" they have never failed me yet, or broke on a release,,,,,,,"
Breaking on a release would ruin your day!
What color have you all found is best for "Aging Eyes" and both in full light and low light conditions?
Nocturnals are still a pia to turn off, when they are new not to bad but if you shoot them a lot then they wear a bit. I now just shoot them and let them burn out and replace right before hunting season. Shawn
Nocturnals are still a pia to turn off, when they are new not to bad but if you shoot them a lot then they wear a bit. I now just shoot them and let them burn out and replace right before hunting season. Shawn
Honestly, if anyone is shooting their lighted nock more than twice for practice, it's too much. There isn't enough weight there to change your tune or your pins. And if it does change your tune or pins, it's you, not the nock's fault.
luminocks have two tiny wires that protude from the nock where it slides into the arrow shaft. when fired, the nock is pushed tight against the back of the arrow shaft and completes the circuit turning the light on. To turn off, gently pull the nock back a tad to break the circuit. Sounds simple, but I found them unreliable. friction from the target pulling the nock out slightly can turn them off, and if you don't pull them out far enough, they can light up and drain the battery while in storage. I use the nocturnals now. It's pretty easy to use a knife point, field point or broadhead tip to turn it off. I have read of someone having an issue with the nock braking at the shot where the switch slot in the body presumably weakened the nock. There is also a lighted nock that turns off and on when passed by a magnet on the riser. I found these worked pretty well too, but there is a "code" to activate and deactivate the light which I always forgot.
So I found and old nocturnal in the drawer and just looked at the FOC stats (Using the pessimistic length measure points - using the AMO measurements im about 1.5% higher FOC).
8.8 gr nock to a 23.5gr nock
Original Arrow and nock 432.6 30.5 19.375 13.52% FOC
with nockturnal 447.5 30.75 19.125 12.2% FOC
with +10gr weight up front 457.6 30.75 19.375 13.01% FOC
Should I worry about losing FOC as well? If I add the 10gr weight to compensate?
I think I'd rather forget all this math and just go hunting.
"I think I'd rather forget all this math and just go hunting. "
This simplest answer is always the correct answer.
Nocturnals Are the way to go!
10 grains will not effect your bow. Period.
It's not necessarily the amount of weight, but where the weight is placed that can change the tune. Here is a picture of two paper tunes with the same arrow at the very same total weight, but with different FOC. The arrows were shot with a shooting machine. As you can see, a change in only the FOC can change the tune.
Nocturnals.. I have used them all. These work the best for me.
Nockturnals cost me a hog....
I outlined it on my hog hunt thread from a few months ago
Since when does a lighted nock change an arrow from 17.2% down to 5% FOC??? 15% I could believe, but not 5%.
Do you stay awake at night Purdue, trying to think of ways to insult me? Were you constantly picked on as a kid by someone I remind you of? I don't get it. A very large percentage of your posts on this site are strictly posts trying to rebuke me. I'm growing tired of it, and I'm sure everyone else is as well. Please tell us what your problem is so we can fix it and get past this.
X-Man, I don't think Purdue was trying to insult you, he was just showing how a drastic change in FOC can change the tune. He even states that it isn't the weight that changes the tune, but the change in FOC (similar to what you said). I don't believe the change in his FOC was by a lighted nock, I assume this was a different test he done by only adding weight to the front of the arrow (tip) and not the back (nock). Doesn't seem to me like he was trying to insult you but maybe I read it wrong.
No, I made mention that a lighted nock shouldn't affect tune. This was his way of trying to prove me wrong.
Check out the "I torque too much..." thread, It's been going on for years.
How did a nockturnal cost you a hog ?
Holy cow. I'm glad I'm leaving for a week on vacation.
There is absolutely zero chance that a tuned setup will become un-tuned with the only change being to a lighted nock.
Go set up your "shooting machine" and tune your bow. Then take your nock out and put in a lighted nock. Shoot through the machine again. guess what? No change.
No one will notice the weight change or FOC change provided their set up was tuned correctly to begin with.
If I'm not mistaken, that was the question that started this thread. That is the question I answered in my first post on this thread. Then for some reason a picture of a paper grocery sack with paper tears in it was posted. This post did not address the original posters question, the purpose of that post was to try to discredit me. No other reason.
I'm not the one retaliating because my feelings got hurt. Look in the mirror for that one. FWIW, I don't think it's possible for anyone to hurt my feelings.
Consider this an official complaint filed on this forum. You are hereby put on notice in front of Charlie and Pat. Keep your posts constructive, positive, relative to the OP's question, and there won't be any more calling out.
Deleting and editing your prior posts now I see.
Farewell and have a wonderful week.
I haven't changed anything. I guess the authorities deleted it. Have a wonderful vacation cupcake.
x-man and Purdue go to your separate corners and chill. (In this case) I don't think he meant any harm.
Purdue, thanks for the overly exaggerated example of how the positioning of the weight can affect tune, it was kind of where I was going with the FOC and weight addition comments I had.
I also agree with x-man in that the small changes I am going to encounter will not have much of an impact if any.
I do appreciate BOTH of you (and everyone else) posting their thoughts
So - Your both right, everyone's right - lets go have a beer!
The only experiment that I have done so far (been away from the house since mid week) Is to Shoot the Nockturnals without adding the extra weight, thereby lowering my FOC slightly. Besides a slightly lower POI at 60 yards, I really cant notice anything different. I do need to walkback tune to see if there is any subtle change to arrow flight.
And, I want to throw a personal comment into both x-man and Purdue's comments that I think is important in both situations and something no-one has mentioned on this thread (but on a lot of other arrow tuning threads)....
Over the past 5 years I have gone from a 370gr arrow to a 430gr arrow. My observation is that a heavier more FOC arrow is more forgiving especially when a FB BH gets thrown into the mix.
So all variables need to be accounted for and tested. But right now, it looks like its not much of an issue for me - so Im gonna stick them on, and go hunting!
I too doubt that you will see much of a change with field points. However, broadheads COULD be another matter.
A worse case scenario would be if you use a lagre surface area BH, small vanes with no offset and shoot a very fast bow at long range. Such a setup will exagerate any tuning issue. So don't just shoot field tips for your test. Use what ever your hunting setup is going to be.
If I recall, Nocturnals weigh about 10 grains more than a normal nock. It's a nonissue.
Mr. Xman the lumanoc I used on my bear turned off after the pass through. I assumed it broke until I pushed it in a bit and it turned on
MikeC
I put a piece of tape over the hole on the nocturnals for pass throughs. Blood makes them sticky and you can not get all the blood out even with hot water. I use the tip of a broadhead to cut them off carefully. They are hard to cut off sometimes.
One nock will fit four different size arrows!
Seems like there is no clear winner in the illuminated nock field, based on the above posts. Plus the lovely state of Montana where i like to hunt will not let you use electronics of any kind on your bow, so no lit nocks. Nobody has even mentioned how they can really highlight arrow flight irregularities.