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At least he is hunting with a bow. Do any of you know how much scouting it takes to kill a trophy? How much time it takes away from your family? You obviously have to either live in the state, or have a ton of vacation time? Do any of you even have a diy trophy?(magazine worthy)? If so were you hunting alone? Anyone help?

Love the sport, and try to look at things with an open mind.

And I bet Mr. Ulmer doesn't care about whether anyone else is impressed by him. I wouldn't

Congrats on another amazing buck Randy! You are the man as far as I'm concerned when it comes to mule deer!

From what I have "read" he kills plenty of good animals in AZ on his own.

The guy has worked hard in his profession and in his hobbies. He's put himself in a position to be able to buy landowner tags and all levels of "guided" hunts.

Good for him and what a great buck.

Thanks for posting Midwest, I can wade thru all the hate.

kind of as silly as when guys know everything about a hunter after reading an article about him.

Or one post. I guess it goes along with interpreting a first impression...

Depending on what is going on in life will depend on how you process others activities. That's just the way it is. And, it is ok to disagree, really, it is. I wouldn't call disagreeing a "haters" trait.

It is a dandy buck though.

Pete offered to buy him a desert bighorn sheep hunt. If he killed a sheep, great. If he didn't kill a sheep, he owed Pete double the cost of the hunt. The man shut up.

Just because you have a great guide doesn't mean it is automatic. You still have to get up there and get the job done. Randy does it year after year, guide or no guide.

I don't see him as a "celebrity" hunter, I seem him as a darn good hunter that has been very successful. I congratulate him for his success and only wish I could tag along sometime!

+1000 for what Bob said.

"Send anyone of these celebrities out here to the North East and they wouldn't know where to begin."

I agree that some of these TV celebrities are not good hunters but I have to disagree with you about someone like Randy Ulmer. You can put him in any part of this country and he is going to come out more often than not with a top end trophy. The difference between people like Randy Ulmer and most is that they have a desire to succeed that most here cant even comprehend. Most think and say "If I had the time, money, blah blah blah I could do the same things" Well who is stopping you from making that money or finding that time? If there is a will there is a way, some peoples will to succeed is simply greater than others.

Randy congrats again on one hell of a buck and I wish you nothing buck luck the rest of your season.

Don't forget why we have this site, not for BS

Matt

A second Kudos on his P &Y elk hunting seminar....very open with sharing ideas and strategies.

I spoke to him for a few minutes at the convention....humble, classy and one heck of a hunter....

Mark

He's one of the good guys.

Every year there are "bow hunting gods" saying they are not impressed.

The following year there is another picture of Ulmer with a GIANT muley.

The following year the "bow hunting gods" fail to throw up a pic of their own, yet again.

Repeat in 2017, 2018, 2019................

Although I do not know Randy personally, I know a few people who do. All speak very highly of him as a hunter and man, and he is lauded as an archery/bowhunting luminary. I truly enjoy sharing in the success of Randy, Jake, Ricardo, and many others – after all “that which is hardest to do, is sweetest to see done.” As a bowhunter, I’m personally very grateful for the few fully mature trophy deer I’ve been fortunate to take over many years in the field.

BTW – Pat set this site up for us to exchange info and help each other to better enjoy the sport we all enjoy. As a long-time member I used to post regularly – sharing hunting success, experience, and insights. However, more and more, posts are hijacked by naysayers with little or no actual experience in the subject of the discussion, or folks trying to pimp a product or business. We’d all be better off if we focused on supporting/helping one another.

Good for him. We would all do what he does if we could.

I'll stick to my whitetails that spook when you even think about them.

Glad to know Mule Deer are as dumb as some say here.

(BTW Above comment was meant to be sarcastic for those who don't get sarcasm)

Congrats on a fine trophy . Can't wait to see this year Bull! Hunt

The amount of assholes that bash on here is growing daily. It unreal that they think they can build themselves up by tearing others down.

No one cares if you're impressed or not.

That said, what is it about the Northeast that makes hunting there so much more of a challenge?

I would like to learn more about his mental training when he is on the stalk. Guided or not he has incredible discipline consistently stalking and killing these monsters.

And Bob, thanks for telling it like it is. too much negativity when nothing but congratulations were in order.

Way to go Randy!

I couldn't even imagine getting the opportunity to sit and chat with him over beers about his life and hunting.

There are those who dream about it; there are those who live it.

Congrats again Randy!!!

I appreciate this thread.

That picture is so fake! He's sitting, like, eight feet behind the deer. Who would want to shoot a deer like that with its lacking symmetry? It's got little bubbles instead of a right eye guard or brow tine. That drop tine is just way out of balance. Doesn't anyone pay attention to the composition of their pictures? And c'mon...old school hat, old school face paint and KUIU?

I am a surly bazterd right now and when I opened this up, I thought, "Hey. Nice buck." I offer my congratulations.

I made up that other stuff.

He is just in a different hunting situation than most of us. Not better, or worse, just different.

I'll be grinning ear to ear if I shoot a doe in a few weeks. Happiness is a personal thing.

Congrats to the first five posters and certainly to Randy!

Just because someone uses a high-priced guide, or hunts private land, doesn't make them a marginal hunter. Maybe he's fortunate, maybe it's through hard-work, maybe it's something else altogether.

I personally think he's an amazing mule deer bow hunter and a talented archer.....with the right connections.

Interesting how some people talk about how easy it is to kill something out west even though to this point they're still only "itching to get there."

Personally I've heard the NE is the easiest place to kill a whitetail lol

Who cares? I don't know the guy but I can be happy for him. These are the same guys who would be borrow and steal to have an opportunity at half the Bucks he passes.

It seems like these days everyone is a cry baby.

That's just it....nobody has but him!! Shoulda,woulda coulda.....Delta will take you from Mass to the best mulie hunting you can find if you make it a priority.....

No telling how many blown opportunites he has had on bigger or equal deer in his career......

Will ushers opportunity........It doesn't take a tremendous anything to stack up any trophy species ...just simple will and financial discpline

-BTB

Yeah, but you DO have them of Blacktails and have done it year in year out and without a guide. I think that's what these guys are saying. I don't think they're hating on Mr Ulmer as much as people suggest, nor envious, but rather saying that they're just not impressed by the result of a hunt with a guide.

Another impressive deer. Grats to him!

As Big Dan points out finding them isn't that difficult if you're in a good area, killing them however is a whole different deal and once the stalk is on the guide isn't going to help you much.

Randy hunts public land in NV that anyone on this site can hunt if they know where it is and can draw the tag.

Word is, from a very reliable source, that once Randy finds the big buck he wants, it may take several days but it's all over but the picture taking. He's that patient and that good.

Then why post anything at all? What was the motive? If you're not impressed, show some class and move on. And who said this buck was killed with a guide? He's killed a pile of big animals without a guide as well.

There is a famous quote, "Why do those who know the least know it the loudest?"

Why are folks expending so much energy arguing with a person who has admitted they do not hold an informed opinion on the matter?

Congrats to Ulmer, he is a heck of a bowhunter - whether people with no frame of reference understand that or not.

I've watched shows in the past when hunting tv was not that big yet and watched people like Randy U. And Dwight S. mess up big time. It doesn't always work out.

Everyone has those kinds of stories I'm sure.

Good luck, Robb

Good one Dan. Although I may be a slow learner, I feel the same way.

How someone takes an animal matters. It matters to all of us. The level of effort put into a hunt matters. It matters to us personally on our own hunts, as well as to how we form our opinion of other hunters. There's nothing wrong with people questioning another hunter's level of effort involved in a hunt, or that it changes their opinion of that hunter.

Nate Simmons hikes up into the high country on his own, public land. Kills giant mule deer with a bow. Also misses giant mule deer sometimes. Does it all himself. I do respect someone like that more than someone who pays others to locate trophy deer for them.

To see the rules for "True DIY", you'll need to see TBM's old thread.

Thank you.

What some are maybe questioning is if this is an ethical form of hunting (in their own definition)? It does lose it's luster in that this deer wasn't shot with the excitement that usually accompanies the taking of a trophy class animal from "Joe Shmo" hunter. I'm sure Randy was elated to some extent, but more for the magazine article or tv video yet to be produced. Which is what Randy does for a living. No harm in that.

Another thought could be, many have ventured on to the bowsite over the years asking for advise on where to hunt, which areas hold more mature game, etc... Some get very general advice, but it usually comes with many posts stating "by a pair of boots and do the homework yourself. That's why it's called hunting!" Very few get phone calls with the coordinates on where and when to show up....

Congrats to Randy. It is an awesome buck!

Usually the first guy to leave camp and the last one back, he'ds killed a true truckload of great animals on his own.

Fred Bear hunted with guide sometimes.

Yes, he hunts primo areas at primo times and pays for the privilege. Good for him, he's worked hard at basically two careers and earned it.

Like Jaq says, he can talk trophy deer and elk with the best of them, including hunting tactics and past solo hunts.

...and he's a helluva a lot more open-minded that some guys on Bowsite.

And why, yes, I did out shoot Randy Ulmer once...Ok, only one target out of 30. Well, he did put it too me on the other 29, but that one time...

I'm more than a touch curious about that one myself.

I do remember Mr. Ulmer nearly killed himself in an ultralight plane flying (or rather, when it quit flying) on a preseason scouting trip. To quote, um, someone else....that there is some next level thinking..... the extra mile.

Bob + how ever many posts that was..... spot on.

"It's apparent Randy had nothing to do in the locating or scouting of this deer."

Why is that apparent? There is a picture of Randy with another huge muley but no story on the hunt itself. Did you talk to him about this one? Where was it stated this was a guided hunt or that he had nothing to do in the locating or scouting of this deer? I'd love to hear the story. Like said, he's killed a pile on his own, too. Please tell us what you know!

LBshooter,

" I didn't read one word that spike said that was derogatory towards St. Randy..."

If anyone posted a pic of their kill on here and spike78 posts "Doesn't really impress me, I doubt there was any scouting or effort put in to your hunt." I would call that a derogatory statement.

Move up a few age classes and challenge yourself

" I couldn’t believe our good fortune, I had finally relocated the buck, and the hunt was starting in just two days. That night at Camp I called Randy and told him the great news."

But heh... I'm not stirring the pot. It simply isn't for me. I'm much more excited for the guys and gals who post a Youtube video showing their success's and failures, or post a thread on bowsite telling their story, than the guys over commercializing hunting for the benefit of a magazine article and their sponsors.

I guess the big problem spike, is that it would be one thing if you had done something similar, THEN said "hey guys it's no big deal."

The problem comes in when a person says "hey guys doing ________ is no big deal" but they've never done it themselves. Because it is impossible for said individual to really KNOW if it is hard are not. They are only surmising. The fact that to my knowledge there are many people with time and money like Randy, and there 0 other people to my knowledge that consistently archery kill monster mulie bucks like Randy tells me that what he is doing is something very unique. We can THINK that we would be good enough, but we will never truly know without actually doing it.

I know I've hunted some Alberta mulies a couple times and been extremely humbled by giant mulies that just somehow seem to live almost out of luck. I can think of bucks that I have had "dead to rights," and friends of mine that have had bucks "dead to rights" that for whatever reason turn around and feed the other way, or do whatever they do. Big mulies live their lives in the open and have a 7th sense with it.

To LBShooters point - people naturally get their hackles up when someone degrades an accomplishment or makes a statement that said accomplishment is easier than others think when they really have zero idea about how hard it is because they themselves have not done it.

Provided it was taken under legal, fair chase conditions - there was work involved one way or another.

I would say that Randy's success in the "industry" and hard work and dedication have earned him the right to not have to spend weeks and months with boots on the ground and scouting. My point is - he paid his dues, and has created a situation where he can do this year over year.

That's a helluva a lot different than just plopping 20 grand on a high fence 200+ inch buck.

I know a few dentists that make a good living and do a lot of hunting.

A LOT.

Good for them and good for Randy.

I notice Randy Ulmer is not here on the Bowsite tearing down all the internet experts. Makes one think.

Huh.

Randy still had to close the deal. Some of you guys need to get a life.

TMBB

I know a couple local bowhunters that get the job done on just about anything they hunt. I think they have learned that ratio quite well. They are students of the hunt.

I have guided bear and moose hunter's. And as most other guides can attest some hunter's are just "better" than others. I am sure if I were to take Ulmer on a moose hunt he would be right at the top.

I bet the guides love when Ulmer is in camp because they know a hefty buck is going down.