Iowa Giant...WR?
Whitetail Deer
Saw this posted on M R James' fb page. Supposedly shot last night....OMG!
14 typical points...huge mass...very few deductions. Hope it's legit....looks like a WR contender!
WOW, hope it's legit, would like to see some more pics.
Hope it pans out to all be legit. I think I'd be smiling....or dead from hyper-ventilating.
Usually the WR rumors start around opening day. Things must be slow in the hunting world this year.
Bomber!!!! Without seeing the right side antler from the side and from up top you can't tell. Looks like there could be an "abnormal" point or two! If the right side is typical it's there. Congrats to the young man! C
Whoa! I'd say that one has a real chance!
Good Lord Nick!!
Thanks for sharing as I have 4 pts going into 2017 and my supposed 'Land/Farm owner' aint so true....
What a freaking HOG buck---------->
Good luck, Robb
Wow, what a giant. I think I'd be smiling ear to ear. Some money to be made on that deer if it's a WR.
Wow he looks excited. You wouldn't be able to wipe the smile off my face if I shot him
Yup I'd say that one might get 'er done!
No doubt someone has already 'green scored' it by now!
Needs another year! What a pig!,
If it's legit, that guy is in for a major rectal exam. So much skepticism these days from all fronts. Hope it's legit!
Note to self: If you kill a potential world record deer and you are posing for a picture, tuck in the tongue, use a good camera and smile.
Note to self: If you see a pic of a giant whitetail that may be a new record. Don't criticize the pose or the quality of the pic. You will come off as petty and jealous. That would be bad because you aren't petty.
Seriously though, thats an amazing deer. I hope its all good and that anything that comes from its score is positive for the lucky hunter and for hunting.
lol Glunt. I thought the same thing. I think when I shoot my world record I'm going to take a picture riding it too. Maybe throw one hand back and start spurring him in the shoulders. Lol. I wouldn't want the rectal exam of shooting the number one. I'd just assume shoot the #2 and let the #1 stand.
Oh-oh, another one with droopy ears.
Can someone please remind about the "droopy ear" thing... I think it stems from the rompola buck? And what does it mean?
That is a giant buck
Great buck but do not know if it will git ur done. Has mass but tine length may be lacking. Shawn
Here is another look at him. Not sure why he looks pissed. My eyes would be swollen from crying tears of joy!
Wow.
I'd have every possible pic and pose you could imagine if it were me. Taking pics till I either had to put my clothes back on or ran out of memory in the card....
Hansen buck is relatively small bone and only 12 points.
Tines seem to be too short for a WR but what a stud!
He is a stud for sure. I agree he has some short tines to be a world record but I have been known to be wrong before, awesome buck!!!!!
Outrageous buck! The dude needs to learn how to smile and could take a lesson on that from Milo!
His tines look short due to the mass. They are no doubt shorter than the Hansen deer but, who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????? That's a new World Record in my book if it only scores 2! My goodness what a dang deer.
I'm saying roughly 220 gross.
Milo's buck has crazy long tines and is a 6x8 so lost like 7"s or so. This buck will make a run at it. Shawn
Just imagine what it could have been if he gave it just "one more year" ?
gotta love the facial expression police adding real content to a big deer thread. what a loss this thread would be without that.
Id say it would have a chance at WR if he had the deer in a front end loader or back of truck and he had a cig hanging from the side of his mouth with his Kent feed store ball cap on slightly tilted. Since he doesn't , don't think it will. Unless he is former Amish or came from Bama ! <~~~~~<<<€
That is an awesome buck. I don't care what it scores. Giant. Congratulations young man.
MASS is absolutely unreal.
what is the current record?
amazing if it real. My something is off switch is being tripped though.
I don't think I could have shot that buck, I would have lost it. It's a beauty.
The P&Y world record typical whitetail is Mel Johnson's Illinois buck from 1965.....204-4/8" as far as I know. Milo Hansen's 213-5/8" SK (can't spell it) buck taken in 1993 is the B&C WR, again as far as I know.
P, the world record is 213 and 5/8ths. There are reports that say it was shot in Arkansas, so take it with a grain of salt. Shawn
Wow, massive... Congrats to hunter, poor kid has nothing left in his whitetail hunting life to look forward too...8^)
Geez.... what would that thing be in Alabama Score???
For Bama scoring factor to kick in it would had to been shot outside of the big buck belt of Iowa Kansas Alberta Wis Ill etc. then it would score plus 1,200 for sure Bama factored.
Here's a little more info...
My internal scoring method doesn't go that high. It says grab the bow when he is 120"+. Looks every bit of 200", though. We have a name and a town. Surely someone has contacts in that area. What a buck.
If I shot that buck I'd be throwing my underwear away for sure. Wow!
Looks like the hunter went to HS in Truro, Iowa. Was or is an athlete. I-35 High School.
What are the odds it's a pen deer? The thing I don't like about the current scoring system is, that on a buck like this that carries his mass out through his tines, it doesn't get enough credit. The Hanson buck would measure better but you put both in a tank of water and this mystery buck would displace more water.
wow, what a buck! I hope its new world record and a legit deer. Would be great to have the record back in the states!
My smile would've been so big they would of had to do a panoramic photo. :)
Julius, yes the droopy ear thing refers to the Rompola buck. Since the buck in his photo had droopy ears, some assumed it must have been doctored in some way.
Imagine if werent subjected to net score and the deer got credit for all its growth. Wouldnt that be nice.
I heard 215" gross, 195" net. Either way an incredible buck.
Does look like a bolt not an arrow in the first picture.
Midwest you better photoshop that rifle out of Milo's picture or you could be in trouble! Arrow does look short but it could easily have been broken, can't tell from that pic. Great deer any way anyone slices it, congratulations to the person who killed it!!!
Good grief....
Nick the instigator!
I don't care what he shot it with.
How could he be crossbow hunting in Iowa. Doesn't look over 70 or disabled to me. Either way that is a stud of a deer. Record or not that is a rare deer for sure
Congrats to the hunter. He should retire. I doubt it will be a world record, not enough length, but looking at that and the Hansen side by side, I would shoot this one. I love points and mass
Dr's note for shoulder injury.
Roger. That's what I was wondering about. Huge buck regardless of what he shot it with and what it scores.
That isn't even a once in a lifetime buck - I'm sure I will never see one like that in my lifetime, and bet 99% of BSers won't either. Hansen looks wider, and obviously has the beautiful symmetry, but mass like this guy's...
Mel Johnsons world record Illinois 1965 Buck Typical 204 & change.. Start comparing fellas..
Would P&Y recognize a crossbow kill? I'm thinking no.
"Mel Johnsons world record Illinois 1965 Buck Typical 204 & change.. Start comparing fellas.."
2 more points and more mass.
Maybe more mass and 2 more points but Mel Johnson's buck is one beautiful buck!
Young man does kinda got that "I sure wish I had my compound with me today" look......
Wish we could get some facts, but there's probably a bidding war to see who gets to publish the story.
That will be a strange twist if it is large enough to be the archery world record but not eligible for P/Y recognition.
If he shot it with a crossbow that's fine, especially if he has an injury. He if done right will make a pretty penny off of this. Crossbows are hot right now and the manufactures will pay to put this deer to use. Think of all the endorsements he could capitalize on. Think of the genes that deer has deposited over the years. It's like fighting, there is always someone better, and in whitetails there will be another. Records are made to be broken, that's what makes it nice.
Some of those big old bucks don't even participate in the rut. He is a buck of a lifetime for anyone! Shawn
Is it just me or does that buck in the picture with the guy in the plaid shirt look fishy? Probably photoshopped!
Deer is a monster and I congratulate him for growing a great rack. Bucks of this caliber are very rare.
That, is a big deer - WR or not... it's a giant!
Greg - That picture of Mel Johnson (In the plaid shirt) has been around longer than photoshop!
It is amazing Mel Johnson's buck killed in 1965 is still P&Y's WR...
Man if you could preserve the bubba batter from that stud and inseminate a bunch of does, you could have a forky with the kind of mass that folks would get excited about.
Imagine taking a buck like that with a little ol' recurve. Well, Gene Wensel knows I think...
Great buck. Looking forward to some actual factual information on the hunt.
Looks like Mel Johnson had a similar facial expression in his photo as the young hunter above. I've seen that photo for at least 30 years and not one jack wagon has ever commented on his lack of a smile...
I know this much. I have known the family a long time. The kid is a freshman at Graceland university and a good athlete. Most of all a good country kid with a simple and Hardy love for the outdoors. This young man and his good friend have put in the time and work to finally harvest this giant totally legal. It ought to be close to the record. I hunt not far from there and there are many big deer. He did what any smart hunter would do kept it under wraps. Good job Austin and Levi and congrats
Delighted to hear it is bona fide. It isn't just the antlers that are ginormous, look at the size of the animal. Wonder what he tipped the scales at?
Shrewski...Smiling like a politician behind a big trophy isn't how real guys do it. It competes with the antlers...I thought everyone knew this. ;-)
What a buck!!
Can't wait to hear the whole story, Lori!
My comment on the Johnson buck was a joke. I should have put one of these ;) in there. Photoshop back then involved scotch tape! ;)
Let's see...potential world record buck. Very little info available on what would be the most famous deer ever. No one is confirming they have seen the deer. Smells like a Rompola buck to me!
Iowahunter- glad to hear promising info that this is legit. What a beast!!!!!! Congrats to the hunter. As for the pic......... Kid is probably in complete shock.
when do facts start coming out
I don't generally say this but OMG!
Is there an arrow manufacturer that puts it's label right up next to the four inche fletchings? Or is only on crossbow bolts. Seeing how we can't get no info on this we might as well speculate. Look at the arrow or bolt in the picture again. Makes one wonder.
JTV,
That's a rumor. Not true.
I know one true thing........if you ever kill a super size deer.....NEVER, EVER SHOW A PICTURE OF YOURSELF AND THE DEER ON SOCIAL MEDIA. For sure a way to get bashed, ridiculed and your life smeared as if you were a child molester. Before this is all over and done with, this kid will never want to ever go hunting again.
Another giant killed in NE Iowa last I hear. Even Bigger....:)
LOL- Here is a note to those who would have multiple pictures if they killed a potential WR. If you are smart, you allow NO pictures to be taken except by a trusted friend or a professional photographer you pay. You will retain sole rights to said pictures and for Gosh sakes, don't put on on the internet. That is, if you are smart. :)
well if the kids shoulders are 24" wide, the buck has about a 40" spread
when you long arm bucks, its very hard to gauge score .... its a big big big buck, but look how Mel was holding his?
has not yet been named the world record
Thanx for that update bou.
So is it legit ?? I also herd things he did not have a crossbow permit.
Probably shot it at night over bait with a salt lick using a rifle with a suppresor in a fenced area while blinded with a spotlight out of season as a covicted felon while high on meth in his mj patch while spooning with his underage girlfriend without a license.
Yeah Pete, but was he drunk ? :)
And had a hooker in the stand with McDonald's food....
Boy , above three post shows what things have turned into on hunting forums and the hunting industery. You ask a question , and you get smart ass answers .
Sorry pope didn't mean to offend...I wouldn't take things to heart my man,,some times it ok to poke fun at things.....I'll try my best to find out the awnser to your question...... merry Christmas!!
No Pope, it has little to do with your question and plenty to do with the consent negativity you'll find from many on Bowsite. Those comments were all tongue in cheek. Although you'll find some just can't help but go negative on just about any topic. Rage, Ozonics or even tree stand safety just to name a few, all bring out the goonies.
Looks like Austin's been busy trapping. He caught a big Iowa bobcat and a cinnamon colored raccoon.
^ I had no negativity , If the kids shot it legit great for him . Go over to Archery Talk if you think things are bad on Bowsite . Any post you but up 90% of the time , your getting your balls busted .
I'd LOVE to catch that coon!
HE SHOULD SMILE IN THe trapping photos
I hope Austin can put ALL the comments into the proper context - we are all blown away by the animal and can't stop yapping about it. The night cam shots confirm it isn't just a giant/WR(?) head. The rack is proportional on the buck - the animal was a monster! Based on not much I'm going to speculate it was close to 300 lbs.
Bet his writeup is coming to a magazine soon - those exclusives are worth $$. Interesting post about protecting photo rights. Hope I have that problem some day, probably right after I nail that flying pig.
Wow what a buck! Any new word on the deers green score? It appears to not have drastic deductions from pics.
I tried find score? All you see on Google results is the stuff about he shot with crossbow and it's illegal. The dnr has it? There are either a ton of jealous people making up crapp or the dnr really has it! Idk and for sure hope it's legit! Awesome deer!!! I'll be the first to go back to some of these sites if he is legit and name a few lying pot stirrers.
Lol. Local game warden said all is well and legit. So keep doing you Austin . These haters let you know you doing good lol
Congratulations to Austin. Keep up with your love of the outdoors.
It's a shame about crossbow, can't enter in P&Y......
Don't post pictures and call something a world record contender without having any real facts to back it or having the kill verified by a reliable third party...otherwise you are going to be subject to all sorts of rumors.
Don't think Austin ever called his deer a world record contender.
"It's a shame about crossbow, can't enter in P&Y...... "
but if record books are to honor the animal and his magnificence and unique stature as a rare specimen then the way he met his demise is irrelevant. He is no less a spectacular deer because it was a bolt, or bullet, or even a fender vs an arrow that took him out. Heck for that matter a poached monster deer is no less a monster deer worthy or acknowledgement as being a great deer than one legally killed.
on the other hand if the books are about the hunter's feat vs. the animals qualities then all those detail really do matter.
Boone and Crockett Club accepts all situations mentioned above!
Man I'd love to see Milo in the #2 spot! Never liked the looks of that deer, too spindly looking. I like mass!!
Charlie x 2.
It will never be P&Y because it doesn't meet the criteria. B&C or SCI are the big tent. But it better be pretty spectacular. This one LOOKS pretty spectacular.
"This deer is now in the hands of the Iowa DNR. They came and took it because he did not have a crossbow permit when he shot it. Buck of a lifetime, and this kid will never see it again! Plus the string of charges and legal battles ahead. Crazy thing is just before the DNR took it, Field & Stream offered him $75k for an exclusive cover story. And Bass Pro offered him $300k for the buck. That all went down the drain. Hard lesson learned."
Anybody can support /refute that???
Damn that's going-a leave a mark!
"Field & Stream offered him $75k for an exclusive cover story" LOL!
I read a month ago on the internet Clint Eastwood had died. Yesterday it was Denzel Washington. Some sick puppies out there. Sick.
I did some math. I think this deer will net somewhere 206"-210". I don't think there is any doubt if killed with a bow it would be the new WR archery buck.
That coon is saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....weeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!
Steve, I heard it was slated to be sold to Cabela's for 1.5 mil but the kid snared it out of season within 200 yards of a building occupied by humans and didn't have the required deer stop attached to the snare!
The DNR has since confiscated the hide and the kid is in jail awaiting trial.
Sad.
So this kid just can't help himself???
Equal jail time for whoever taught him his values!
Nick,I cannot believe he is displaying that fine trophy in the bed of a pickup!!! That's so demeaning to a quality animal...:)
Looks like somebody knocked the air out of one of our fine bear outfitters' cinnamon phase.Trapped alot growing up and would have had that puppy on my hood at the Sonic for longer than he needed to be!BC whitetails are a dime per dozen but that coon would be my pillow for the rest home.....
This story and thread is really getting spun out. Can someone PLEASE link to a news story or DNR press release Austin's attorney's statement or something? The suspense is killing me.
I don't know what's funnier....Genesis' pillow or that anyone would take my post about the coon serious.
Midwest, your pure evil. I just got done setting snares across half of Ne hoping to catch a coon that would get me 1.5 mil.
One thing is for sure, BS is cheap.
GF, don't believe everything you hear. It would probably also be wise not to get on the internet and repeat everything you hear.
Until you see some kind of official press release from the IDNR, give the poor kid the benefit of the doubt.
He hurt his shoulder wrestling, he had a crossbow permit, and the deer was legal. So was the stinky old coon.
You've heard a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors generated by jealous busy bodies with nothing better to do. I got a hundred bucks that says they are all bullshit.
The kid shot a bigger deer than most people will ever see and I'm starting to feel bad for him.
Pat - maybe you missed it, but my first post asked if anyone could support or refute the story that that monster had been poached.
If you have any reliable information one way or the other, I would be delighted to hear it. It would be an awful shame for an animal like that to be taken by a poacher... and of course you can see how an animal like that might prove to be more temptation than a lot of people could withstand...
Anyway… Let me know if you hear anything, eh?
I heard he also voted for hillary.
The latest I heard is that it is all a clean kill and has gone beyond the normal inspection and review. No issues found and the hunter was found to be above reproach in all regards. Just laying low for official measuring and ensuring no visibility create unfounded rumors and silliness on various public or social media sites. It all good guys the deer should be celebrated as a wonderful accomplishment.
^ You a friend of the family ?? If I don't hear it from the horses mouth i don't believe anything .
No I don't know them personally but Robert Jacobsen told me so I feel pretty good about it.
Regardless of any of this (back to my 11/7 post) it looks like from a close up of the picture that the right antler has an abnormal point. If so it's no go for a typical world record.
** Just noticed the second pic of the buck which shows the right antler better. The abnormal point looks to be about 2.5 inches so the net will lose 5 inches from the gross. What a great deer!!!
Charlie, what abnormal point are you referring ? I don't see it.
A typical rack can have abnormal points. Not sure why one would think a kicker would negate a typical classification.
agree.
A lot of people do not know the story behind the hansen buck, personally I cannot wait until it is #2 or lower. LOVE LOVE to see a bow harvested #1
I see just a little side-to-side difference in the G4's & G5's, and a 2-inch sticker inside the right main beam. Surprisingly few issues for an older buck actually. With all that mass, and all those tines, I look forward to hearing what he scores!
I heard it was not killed in Clark County. Now I'm not saying that just because I hunt in Clark County. I'm thinking it might not of even been killed in iowa. Just what I heard, not trying to steer people wrong or anything.
Is there a reason to automatically assume that it is poached until proved other otherwise??
And as far as the "...not saying it's true, but I heard.." kinda BS, you probably heard that from somebody else that said, "...not saying it's true, but I heard....".
The National Enquirer pales in comparison to hunting forums with regard to unsubstantiated accusations.
Buck is gonna need to have AT LEAST 212 " of typical antler to cover the abnormal point and asymmetry to make it pass Mel's...... it will fool me cuz I'm not seeing that ......if it's a crossbow kill then its just another monster buck anyway.
again , what abnormal point? That little sticker on his right G-5 ? Or , is there something I'm missing.
Pat, I'd like to feel the same way.....and I do. BUT , honestly the secrecy surrounding this buck is beginning to annoy me. As is the gossip and innuendo.
Here's a question for discussion......What could possibly be holding up the information on this buck becoming public ?
I mean what's the big deal ? It's a whitetail deer for God's sakes. Somebody shoots a deer and you would swear national security was at risk !!
So if someone now days shoots a big buck they have to go public right away or they are guilty of everything. I love our instant society now days.
Bill, what is at stake is the publishing rights and yes, possibly money. Something to consider for a college kid with tuition to pay.
Or maybe he's just waiting for the drying period and an official score before making any claims. Any reply on his part would be construed, by many, as a cover up anyway. Or maybe he's just happy with celebrating with his family, friends and his own hunting circle.
The young man doesn't owe anybody anything as far as sharing. If something really is amiss, then it will become public through court records.
I have zero stake in the whole thing, so not hard for me to wait and hold judgement in the meantime.
Bill, yes that is the point that is talked about. To me it looks like it comes off the beam. If the point is 2". The deer has to be north of 215 after symmetry deductions to pass Milo's buck. Which I am sure your aware of.
Time will tell how this deer will rank. Great buck definetly one that we all dream about.
It is amazing how the negative rumors start with any animal of note. Even the annual Amish elk hunt thread keeps coming around and it's bull.
One thing you can count on if you kill a 200 inch deer with a bow, is that rumors will go around the internet that you poached it and about 10 different locations for the site of the kill will be reported.
It should give us all pause and make us question everything with a healthy dose of skepticism, prudence, and shrewdness. It's my opinion that more than 1/2 of the general "knowledge" and "beliefs" of human kind are total horse crap... and that percentage is probably closer to 100% than it is to 50%. If you look at how most people come to form opinions and believe things, it's amazing that we can distinguish our own butts from a hole in the ground (and many can't).
JH........... you're misunderstanding what I'm asking. I personally could care less about this deer story. It's a beauty of a buck and the young man looks like he's enjoying the outdoor lifestyle I admire. He doesn't have to answer to me or anybody else.
The reason I put that question up for discussion was that I was hoping it would shed light on his situation and help others to understand why they might need some patience seeing this story to its completion.
Ambush gives some good reflection on the situation.
It's a cautionary tale for sure - as someone posted earlier, if any of us are "lucky" enough to nail a critter like that, control all photos of the animal in question. I would definitely prepare a press release just to get (some of) the gadflies off my back. There's a saying in government about a hot issue: if you don't control the narrative, it's going to control you. A deer like this changes your life. I hope I see a great writeup in Field&Stream or some other leading outdoor publication soon, and the head someday in person (and not in a Fish and Game office, if you know what I mean - those make me kind of ill).
What has hunting become that we need to seriously consider issuing a press release over the killing of a deer? SMH
Proof is needed to squash a rumor, but certainly no proof is needed to start oNE as this thread proves.. What an awesome deer.
Coon is nice, cat is maybe a 1 year old at most but iowa has a 1 cat limit
I am not sure, because it's been a long time since I have done any measuring. Unless it has changed it can be measure as a typical as long as it does not have more than 15 inches of deductions. After that it must be classified as a non-typical. It can be measured both ways I guess.
I'm completely surprised there are rumors flying around on the internet about a deer.
I laugh off everything on the web and tv. My only comment would be holy heck that is a lot of bone! Mass like that pushes my buttons and with that many points. Just wow. The saying I would give my right nut for a buck like that definitely holds true! Imagine the rumors then!!!!!
Now that the buck has officially been scored at a net 194 1/8. Was the deer killed with a bow or not?
Abnormal points are certainly acceptable on a typical rack BUT it is highly unlikely the Mel Johnson typical, Whitetail archery record of 204 4/8 net will EVER be broken if the rack has ANY abnormal points and here's why: Once a deer gets to around 5.5 years old "junk" (abnormal points) appears. This is why Mel's record has stood since 1965. Can you see the dilemma? As a deer matures in age it adds abnormal points to its rack thus making it harder to net high as a typical. The perfect storm for Mel's record to be the longest standing world record of any Pope &Young specie. Hope that helps folks in understanding why it's so challenging to beat this record. Follow my logic and you can understand why the Non-Typical Whitetail record is almost 100 inches bigger than the Typical. C
I agree Charlie, I just think it is a shame that there are deductions at all, if the deer grew it, it should count. I understand the record keeping and why they have "their standards" but again even a big NT gets deductions when getting scored. Scooby
Well, hell....turns out it's just a dink! lol
Here's his post on fb...
"Finally had my deer officially scored at 202 gross and 194 1/8 net typical. This has been one of the greatest experiences in my life and something I will cherish forever. It might not of broke the world record but did break some state records. No matter what it was a deer of a lifetime and I could not be any happier."
Class act...congrats, Austin!
Excellent. Good for him!
Scooby: The scoring system for you would be SCI as they take no deducts.
P&Y and B&C (which pre-dates other scoring systems) now include gross score as supplemental information but this system is based on Symmetry for final score and I really like symmetry in antlered game.
Novemberforever: P&Y book is for archery equipment while B&C is for ANY weapon as well as pick-ups. That said your answer depends on what weapon he used.
Novemberforever I guess he just doesn't want anyone to know what he killed it with.
This thread should teach a lesson. In this age of smart phones and social media, pictures can get sent anywhere in a hurry. I'm sure I'll never be in this boys situation, but even so, i think my days of passing around game photos is over.
I'm very happy to see that everything is on the "up & up". I kept my mouth shut on this because I didn't want to pre judge the young man based on Internet rumors. Congrats to the hunter. Imo this buck is far more handsome than the new nontyp wr.
Sorry Novemberforever , my apology, I did know you CONFIRMED it was a cross bow kill?
The new buzz word is "fake news" and I saw plenty of it here! If You are correct that it's a crossbow kill it will not be entered in the P&Y Club Record book. Should be good to go in B&C, SCI and Buckmasters as well as the Iowa ANY weapon book.
long arm a buck and a 192 can look 220
:)
Great deer regardless of what it was shot with. Though I too would like to know if it was a bow or a xbow. At this point if it's been officially scored there is no point in not saying what was used.
Dang this will have the cross gun industry going nuts. He will probably make more money because he killed it with the crossgun.
Again, I have NO idea or opinion as to what weapon he used. Others have stated their understanding it was a crossbow but I have no idea what weapon he used.
“It might not of broke the world record but did break some state records.”…. State records,,,, how many states was it killed in…. Am sure this kid is a fine young man, but could probably use a lesson in humility… Maybe if so this wouldn’t have been blown out of proportion to begin with…
Regardless, magnificent animal...
"long arm a buck and a 192 can look 220".... Yeah I agree, wish people quit taking Chuckie style pix, these illusions actually encourage fake news if ya ask me...
The kid never made any statement blowing this out of proportion. He posted a picture. Never made a single public statement that I've seen regarding score, weapon, or potential records prior to the official scoring.
Can anyone accurately judge a 194 from a 220 in a pic..... big is big at that point
No one should judge this kid either. No one that has posted here really knows the story and until the kid comes out with his, hold judgement. There is nothing wrong with him making the statement he has, hell I think he has done pretty good so far. Funny about the comments of long arming a buck, when Randy Ulmer does it people say little and trust me on some of his mulies he long arms them, big time. Posts like this are what makes us all look petty by some comments from a few who have no clue. I hope all was legit and the kid gets whatever he wants out of this kill, be it a bit of fame, money or just to have bragging rights!! Scooby
Why can't we just be happy for the young man...
90% of the trophy pics on Bowsite are "longarmed". Really....Just be proud of your trophy....If you wanna back up up from the camera and give it "giant status." ...All good. I still wanna see it.......Great buck young man!!!!
Why can't we just be happy for the young man...
Z Bone gets the ridiculous comment of the day award. The kid never said anything until that Facebook post. Humility seems to be the least of his concerns in my book. So many jealous comments the last few months it's crazy.
Don't care what it scored - it is a big freaking deer! I doubt many of us will ever be so lucky as to get to "long arm" a beast like that! Congrats to the hunter.
Lee
Iowa deer classic says he will be at the show.
If either of my sons ever kill a giant anything, ESPECIALLY a whitetail, I'm not telling you guys...
What is it about a deer they didn't kill makes some guys so crazy envious? This kid seems like a great kid, living an outdoor lifestyle, posted NOTHING on this forum and apparently little anywhere else and you guys roasted him well done here.
Many of you that have posted above, must suck as hunting partners........
Geese, it's not about envy or jealousy, personally I could care less about what others kill, notice in my first post I congratulated the kid... In the beginning I was much more interested in the great animal itself and could care less who killed it while they were claiming world record or of world class, that is what got my attention... 194" ain't even close, and if it don't net over 200" typical, it ain’t of world class in my book... If they wouldn’t have touted it as WR in the beginning, and exaggerated the size encapsulated with the photo, the whole xgun thing and the kid’s character probably would not have been attacked… BTW, would still like to know his handicap for the prescription xgun permit if required as some have stated here… Holding up that big rack in the first photo, he looks pretty healthy to me... For those that remember Zaft, this whole thing has turned into that kind of fiasco with deer classics and wantta be celebrities (long arms and all)… Could have all been avoided with a little humility and if they’d have just said something like - “Great Iowa buck killed by a young man with xbow”…
This deer is legit. The number of posts proves we are excited because it is HUGE! Congratulations Austin for an achievement most of us will only dream about.
I think some folks should seriously lighten up.
Ki-Ke, it's real simple, jealousy is what rules the day when others want to critique a fine trophy. Like I said in my previous post, I would have freaked out had this deer walked in me and would have screwed up the shot lol. Hope this k I'd makes some money off this deer whcih he will and has a nice place for it on his wall. It is sad when someone is attacked for doing what we all love and he just happens to get extremely lucky have such a great animal walk in on him.
"If it don't net over 200"s typical it is not world class in my book"!! Have you ever looked at the record books?? Any deer that nets over 180"s typical is truly world class and over 200"s net typical are so very rare that they are truly one in tens of millions. There are only 15 bucks ever entered in B&C over 200"s. This kid shot without a doubt a true world class typical. Good for him!! Gary just curious, what is "your book"? I ask because you must be into fiction, sorry but I doubt there is one other sole on here that does not think this buck is world class!! Scooby
"There are only 15 bucks ever entered in B&C over 200"s."
EXACTLY, that is what I'm saying, there are tons of "what if" and 190+" net typical whitetails, but few over 200" in the "world".... That means "world class" to me in my book, but the term seems to be used too loosely elsewhere exaggerated...
I'm a straight shooting, practical, down to earth dude, no frills, I just want the truth...8^)
x2 William Tell, ya know I went to a Tell city prom once. If memory serves me right they have a bronzed statue w/ an apple on its head.
Sorry look at how many over 190" typical whitetails there are, sorry but not tons of those either. Look at the record books, and do the math. Out of say 1 million whitetails killed this past year, how many did you here of going over 190 typical? Again I understand not wanting to fed a bunch of garbage, but the garbage came from a bunch of trolls and other people, not this kid. I am down to earth to and have real expectations and I am sorry for anyone and I mean anyone to say a 190" typical whitetail is not world class, well "to me" that person lives a life of fantasy. Hell I have been killing deer for over 40 years and have hunted a bunch of states known for big whitetails and I can honestly say I have never seen a typical that would go over 190"s net. This includes weeks spent at a time in Kansas, Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Missouri and Wisconsin. Scooby
"Can anyone accurately judge a 194 from a 220 in a pic..... big is big at that point"
Well with all the pro's that can tell a 3.5 from a 7.5 buck in age yeah I'd think they could :)
No, that big its hard to say especially long arming the buck.
I can make a 6.5# bass look 9.5# as easily as I can make a 140" buck look 160" ;)
monster buck though, it has it all
Scooby-doo - "been killing deer for over 40 years and have hunted a bunch of states known for big whitetails and I can honestly say I have never seen a typical that would go over 190"s net"
Sorry, I have,,,, but have a few more years on you killing deer for 50 years when I killed my first buck at age 7...
Who cares if he long armed the deer in his pics or not. If I was a betting man. It didn't even Cross the young man's mind his deer would get scored by a bunch of old duffers on the Internet. He didn't post the picture on bowsite. Heck I couldn't even find where he posted a picture on his own FB. So I doubt he wanted to make the deer look larger to the rest of the world. FYI the person behind the camera has as much say on how big a deer appears in a pic.
As for world class. Everyone will have there own definition of world class. I haven't seen where Austin has even said his definition.
Zbone your sounding like a millennial. I hate to tell you this but your not entitled to know if he had a Dr note for a crossbow or not. That's between him, his Dr and the authorities.
I say again Congrats to Austin on a great buck and great fall.
There's a handful of guys that have put 190+ typicals on the ground and then there's all the other 100's of guys who've said they've seen one.
There are a lot more 190" than you think. Hell, I know of more than a handful and I'm a nobody in the whitetail world. Not 1 is entered and will never be.
There are a lot more 190" than you think. Hell, I know of more than a handful and I'm a nobody in the whitetail world. Not 1 is entered and will never be.
I went back and looked at the pics of him "long arming" this deer. He does have long arms, but but it sure doesn't look to me that he's "long arming" the deer. Maybe he hurt his arm taking pics with a previous deer and that's how he got the doctor's note ;-)
Looking forward to hopefully see it at the Deer Classic.
Stealthy,long arming can't fool most guys that realize the relationship of a deer's head to his rack and use those features as template to reference the rack.Folks get fooled by camera lenses because they don't understand that relationship or merely forget to check it.
Don't blame the kid because some geezers can't cipher how big a rack is from a picture.
Elite. I know of some 190 inch nontypicals or gross typicals shot too. But if your talking 190 in net typical free range whitetails and not in the books and you know of a "handful". Come on, really.
It amazes me the way people can down play the accomplishments of others on the web. This is a truely magnificent animal this young man shot. Before some of you post stop and think if this was your son your talking about. Then add your thoughts. Not as easy.
Yup exactly what I mean, typical 190" whitetails are almost as rare as 200" whitetails. Some people just don't get it. The archery world record has been approached only a handful of times and that deer is 204-4/8th next is 203 I believe. Zbone, as I said keep reading fiction and dreaming even in 50 years of hunting if you have seen more then 190" typical you are in the 1% of deer hunters in the world and that is just a fact as they are truly one of the rarest animals in NA. Scooby
From: Scooby-doo - "Any deer that nets over 180"s typical is truly world class"
I disagree...
Elite_RSP - "There are a lot more 190" than you think"
I agree... Anybody out there have a recent B&C records book (I do not) and tell us where 194-1/8" ranks?
And that ain't even talking about those that were not entered...
I bet there are 5x un-entered vs entered, my deer is only in buckmasters b/c I liked Ed Waite otherwise it would be in none.
Whats the story w/ the zaft buck? All I know is it got screwed by a common base between g2 and g3.
Anyone that would knock this kid or this magnificent animal is an idiot, Period!!! I also say you're F.OS. if you think this animal is not World Class! I bet you'd Shiz in your pants if you even came to close to shooting this class of animal! and be on here that very day bragging about the absolute monster buck you just killed!!!
People on here crack me up.... I have seen people on here defend those that get arrested for committing a crime, and then turn around and beat this Shiz out of people for legally taking a truly fantastic animal You just can't cure STUPID!
Congrats to the young man!!!
Scar.
Yeah ohiohunter, I agree, bunches not entered, but I don’t know if Zaft got screwed, but yeah, panel judged common base points, but the whole fiasco was he was touting it a new WR, signing autographs the whole nine yards until the B&C panel got a hold of it…8^)... I think the one point dropped it down into the 180s if I remember right, just another “what if”, “ giant buck”… We had a bunch of threads going on about it here at the time… Charlie is a B&C scorer, he might remember the details and the exact points that were in dispute…
Now, talkn typical scored racks here, as said I do not possess a B&C records book, but know a giant typical buck needs to score close or over 200” to crack the top 20 B&C, that is why I always felt they were not world class unless so (200 is a nice round number easy to remember too...8^))… But hey, as Scooby-doo has determined, that is just my opinion…8^)
Scar Finga - Won't even comment on the putrid you spew...
Still waiting - "Anybody out there have a recent B&C records book (I do not) and tell us where 194-1/8" ranks?"
BTW, am leaving the kid out of this now, as posted above, am sure the kid is a fine young man and all... Am talking racks and high scores now...
I have not looked but I would say in the top one hundred entered. Like I said that is world class when you think of the millions and millions of deer since B&C inception. Sure there are a lot not entered but be real even if it was in the top 500 out of millions and millions of deer killed that would still make it one of the greatest in the world. Zbone sorry but I do not see anyone agreeing with you, actually maybe one on this thread has agreed with you. Too me that says a lot. Scooby
Lets take a poll - How many think "World Class" means like the top ten or twenty entered B&C, or the top 500???
BTW, I looked at our state records, and 194-1/8" would ranked 5th (if taken here), wouldn't have even broke our state record of 201 1/8, and is ranked (or use to be ranked) 12th, B&C, in which I would consider world class though (notice how it's over 200, see how that works...8))... Shame it was killed with a xgun too though...
JH. I have Pics of 2 that net over 190" shot in Ohio this season. One close to Van Wert, Oh and another from Ft Wayne Indiana. The one from Ft Wayne I held in my hand. 2 others are on my wall. The rest are from my property and the neighbors. 7 Total that I am 100% sure of. A few others that have not been scored because they don't care if they are. My biggest is a 209 gross- 196 net. Split brows and Split G2.
I don't think anyone in this thread has said this isn't a great buck, but not World Class..
Elite_RSP - You killed a 196" net typical?... Wow, cool, many CONGRATS...
World class is subjective. I would consider any typical buck 180 or larger to be world class. A 200 inch typical is beyond world class. That is a top of the podium type buck. Most hunters will never even see a 140 or larger deer in their life. Even guys on great private land won't consistently see bucks over 160. this kids deer in my opinion is definitely a world class deer.
BTW, don't consider non-typical whitetails of world class until they break 300"...8^)
Laugh, but true, think about it, there are only a few over and 300 is a nice round number to remember...8^)
Zbone.. Illinois: bureau county:2012.. My company was doing a windfarm there and was able to hunt properties that we were installing turbines on. I offered the Landowners a deal if I shot a buck I would write them a check. I wasn't shooting anything <150. The landowner showed me sets of sheds from him and a few others from the previous year.
Crusader: World Class is World Class. Last time I looked, my buck won't crack Top 50 and that was 2 years ago. I think 200 is the cutoff for a Buck to be considered world class...
Damn, Elite....post up some pics!
Midwest. When I first saw the Pic of the Iowa buck I thought for sure it would get over 200". I would like to see the score sheet. I don't think he long armed it at all. Let me do some editing to a couple pics and I will post when I get a chance.
It's rather difficult to long arm with one leg over the deer like he's doing but I'm sure it looks bigger in the pic than what it looks like in person.
If you check the B&C Record book and you'll find there are only 20 Typical deer entered that NET over 200 inches.
Usually a mature Whitetail adds abnormal points once he reaches 5.5+ which generally pushes him into the Non-Typical category or lowers the net as a typical. As I mentioned in an above post this is why Mel Johnsons Archery record of 204 4/8 net has stood since 1965.
This thread is about typical racks.
Elite a 196" typical is very impressive even though you don't think it is world class. Congrats on it. I definitely consider it to be one. Any particular reason you never entered it.
Charlie - Last time I looked at B&C top ten, Mel's 204 4/8 net was P&Y#1, and B&C#4, curious, is it still #4B&C?... Thanks
Elite it makes top ten Pope and young.
Wow, you guys all need to get out in the woods or shoot your bows or something.............
Anything, other than arguing on this thread about nothing worth arguing about......
It's a giant deer, legally taken. It would probably be the single most amazing event in any of our hunting careers just to have an opportunity at an animal like this. And he killed it.
Gotta love IA. Buying another pref point in May!
We ain't arguing, we're fine, we're talking amongst ourselves...8^)
Going hunting for couple days, curious to see where this thread weaves during the time...8^)
Again Charlie is correct, I believe typical whitetails scoring over 190"s are harder to come by then 220" NT as a deer ages it has a tendency to grow NT points. I am only arguing the point from Zbones prospective. To say a 190" typical whitetail is not world class just seem strange to me. The last ten years I have spent more time in a tree stand then anyone I know and in some great whitetail states and I have seen 3 deer that I believe would of went over 200"s and that was a Muley typical in NW Kansas and 2 NT whitetails, one in Iowa and one in Ohio as I said I have never in 40 years of chasing whitetails have I ever seen one I believed was over 200"s as a typical. Again, this kid in my opinion killed a world class typical and as long as it was legal I could care less what he shot it with, I wish him well. Scooby
There is no definition for "World Class" so it can be whatever you want it to be.
Congratulations to the hunter! Doesn't matter to me what which weapon was used it's a helluva deer. Honestly I'd have probably fallen outta the tree had I seen it!
FullDraw wrote:
"Who cares if he long armed the deer in his pics or not. If I was a betting man. It didn't even Cross the young man's mind his deer would get scored by a bunch of old duffers on the Internet. He didn't post the picture on bowsite. Heck I couldn't even find where he posted a picture on his own FB. So I doubt he wanted to make the deer look larger to the rest of the world. FYI the person behind the camera has as much say on how big a deer appears in a pic. As for world class. Everyone will have there own definition of world class. I haven't seen where Austin has even said his definition.
Zbone your sounding like a millennial. I hate to tell you this but your not entitled to know if he had a Dr note for a crossbow or not. That's between him, his Dr and the authorities.
I say again Congrats to Austin on a great buck and great fall."
What Fulldraw said, X 114.....
I wish I had the extra time some of you old farts have. I can't get my head around the man hours you guys have spent thinking, writing and gettin all greened up about a WHITETAIL that a kid you will never met, killed.
Some of you guys have allowed me to establish the parameters of what a "world class" old fart sounds like. Were any of you guys protesting at our new Presidents inauguration?
Have a great weekend, fellas! Get outside and go for a walk or something. Turn off the computer....
Ki-ke. A classic response! Bravo.
Ya done very well there young man. :-)
World class is an animal big enough that no hunter in the world would pass it up if given a chance That deer quailifies
Ki-ke, some of us old farts have earned our time, worked hard for 40 years and spent thousands of hours in the deer woods. Bou-bound has it right! Scooby
Haven't checked this in awhile...........................................LOL! :)
I can't wait til I retire and have the time that some of you apparently have now! ;-)
