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CO sheep/goat backdoor
Wild Sheep
Contributors to this thread:
PoudreCanyon 19-Apr-17
IdyllwildArcher 19-Apr-17
Redman 19-Apr-17
PoudreCanyon 19-Apr-17
Ermine 19-Apr-17
sticksender 19-Apr-17
Keith in colorado 29-Apr-17
Ramhunter 29-Apr-17
Jaquomo 29-Apr-17
Quinn @work 29-Apr-17
Ramhunter 29-Apr-17
jims 29-Apr-17
Treeline 29-Apr-17
tobinsghost 29-Apr-17
pav 29-Apr-17
jims 29-Apr-17
Jaquomo 29-Apr-17
Cazador 29-Apr-17
wildwilderness 29-Apr-17
Cazador 29-Apr-17
sticksender 29-Apr-17
Ermine 29-Apr-17
pav 29-Apr-17
Quinn @work 29-Apr-17
sticksender 29-Apr-17
kscowboy 30-Apr-17
tobinsghost 30-Apr-17
Ermine 30-Apr-17
kscowboy 30-Apr-17
jims 30-Apr-17
TEmbry 01-May-17
Tomichi 01-May-17
tobinsghost 01-May-17
pav 01-May-17
brettpsu 01-May-17
Sandbrew 01-May-17
BOWUNTR 01-May-17
delkslayr 01-May-17
iceman 01-May-17
TEmbry 01-May-17
tkjwonta 01-May-17
Keith in colorado 01-May-17
MathewsMan 01-May-17
Treeline 01-May-17
Treeline 01-May-17
JRABQ 01-May-17
wkochevar 01-May-17
PoudreCanyon 01-May-17
wildwilderness 01-May-17
Keith in colorado 01-May-17
Quinn @work 01-May-17
otcWill 01-May-17
Tim M 01-May-17
wildwilderness 01-May-17
sticksender 01-May-17
Quinn @work 02-May-17
Treeline 02-May-17
kscowboy 02-May-17
wildwilderness 02-May-17
Cazador 02-May-17
Ermine 02-May-17
Mad Trapper 02-May-17
wildwilderness 02-May-17
Ramhunter 02-May-17
sticksender 02-May-17
brettpsu 02-May-17
Ermine 02-May-17
Keith in colorado 02-May-17
Stoneman 02-May-17
Jaquomo 02-May-17
txhunter58 02-May-17
BULELK1 03-May-17
elkstabber 03-May-17
iceman 03-May-17
Keith in colorado 03-May-17
mountainman 03-May-17
MathewsMan 03-May-17
sticksender 03-May-17
MathewsMan 03-May-17
sticksender 03-May-17
mountainman 03-May-17
iceman 03-May-17
Quinn @work 03-May-17
mountainman 03-May-17
sticksender 03-May-17
Jaquomo 03-May-17
IdyllwildArcher 03-May-17
BOWUNTR 03-May-17
wildwilderness 03-May-17
BOWUNTR 03-May-17
BOWUNTR 03-May-17
Treeline 03-May-17
Shrewski 03-May-17
Huntcell 03-May-17
Ermine 04-May-17
Well-Strung 04-May-17
Stoneman 04-May-17
Ermine 04-May-17
Treeline 04-May-17
Ermine 04-May-17
MathewsMan 04-May-17
Stoneman 04-May-17
Mad Trapper 04-May-17
loesshillsarcher 04-May-17
BOWUNTR 04-May-17
Mad Trapper 04-May-17
tkjwonta 04-May-17
Ermine 04-May-17
MathewsMan 05-May-17
TEmbry 08-May-17
Treeline 08-May-17
From: PoudreCanyon
19-Apr-17
When do you guys think it will show up. CPW says true results should be posted by May 3rd, so we gotta be getting close. Poudre

19-Apr-17
Funny, you mention the sheep/goat backdoor.

Reminds me of a story I once heard about a guy name Angus from rural Scotland. Angus was in a bar and had had a few beers when a stranger sat down a few bar stools down from him and ordered a beer.

Angus turned to the man and said, "Let meh tell ya aboot tha folks round heah!"

The man smiled and gripped the beer that the bartender handed him as he rolled his eyes at Angus and tried to look away so as not to draw anymore conversation.

Angus didn't miss a beat: "Back in the soomer of sixtay-two, when the rain came doon in buckets and flooded the river in town and washed out the bridge, who was it, but me, Angus, who went into the woods, cut doan the trees, split thum into planks, brought them back to tone, and rebuilt the bridge?!? Well, it was me! Angus! But... do they call me Angus the Bridge Builder?!? Noooooo!

And! When the blizzard of seventy-four came and blew the school house doan, who was it that fallowed the reever doan to the lake, doog up the clay, build a kiln, and made the bricks, then hauled them back to tone and rebuilt the school house? T'was me! Angus! But! Do they call me Angus the School Builder? Nooooooo!

But! You fook one goat...

From: Redman
19-Apr-17
Not sure, but I am drawing both! LOL

From: PoudreCanyon
19-Apr-17
LOL Idyllwild! Not the back door I was thinking of...

From: Ermine
19-Apr-17
Should be soon you would think

From: sticksender
19-Apr-17
It's been happening much later than in the past. Last year it was around May 7th which was just a few days before the published official date. Watch for the disappearance of your "Current Preference Points" from the look-up table, which is an indicator that they are working on the draw.

29-Apr-17
Door is open!

From: Ramhunter
29-Apr-17
Not to get overly excited yet, but it looks like I drew many ram tag!

From: Jaquomo
29-Apr-17
I hope they change the rules so I can will my max sheep points to someone when I die.....

From: Quinn @work
29-Apr-17
Congrats Ramhunter! What unit.

I'm hoping the draw isn't complete as I'm showing nothing. Anyone see anything on goat? That's the one I'm due for.

From: Ramhunter
29-Apr-17
Not entirely sure yet - crazy response I know. I applied for one unit and changed my mind the day before changes could be requested. Never got any confirmation, so I'm really not sure.

That's the trouble with being a noncommittal sheep unit slut!

From: jims
29-Apr-17
I believe a 563 code would be a drawn tag? I hope so!

From: Treeline
29-Apr-17
When I look at the "Below is a list of products you already have on file" My code just shows APP after sheep and goat. How can you tell if you got a tag? Does it show somewhere if you drew a tag?

From: tobinsghost
29-Apr-17
Look above ur post!

No sheep or goat for me...again! Oh well!

From: pav
29-Apr-17
My non-resident page still doesn't show sheep anything? Sheep points remain MIA.

From: jims
29-Apr-17
Pav - I believe you are looking on your pref pts page on the CPW website. Take a look at the list of products page where you buy tags online. You need to go through the pages like you are going to buy a license. Then scroll down to the bottom on the list of products page to see your applications and the numbers on them. If you have a 500 number next to a species you drew a tag. Good luck!

From: Jaquomo
29-Apr-17
Maybe they forgot to include NRs in the draw process, like with deer a few years ago. ;)

From: Cazador
29-Apr-17
Kick ass Jim and Todd! Both of you guys are experienced sheep hunters, should be a fun summer.

29-Apr-17

wildwilderness's embedded Photo
563 res bighorn!!!
wildwilderness's embedded Photo
563 res bighorn!!!
What does this mean????

From: Cazador
29-Apr-17
It means you're in business! Kick ass to you as well!

From: sticksender
29-Apr-17
Congrats to you guys who drew.

Looking forward to a bunch of bow-killed ram stories here on bowsite in a few months.

From: Ermine
29-Apr-17
Did they do goat yet? Looks like no sheep for me

From: pav
29-Apr-17
Hey Jim.

I'm looking at both. I applied online for deer and paper app for sheep. I can see the NR deer app on file, but nothing for sheep. I assume that is because of the paper app? Checked the preference points page too...but the points have been MIA for a few days now. Appears I'm still in limbo...

Big congrats to you guys that drew tags!

From: Quinn @work
29-Apr-17
Congrats Jims!

Im pretty sure NR's info doesn't show up on the "backdoor" method due to the paper app and not applying online

From: sticksender
29-Apr-17
Yeah the paper application, whether Res or NR, won't show up in the "Products on File" list. But a successful draw "5XX code" does show up, regardless of how you applied.

From: kscowboy
30-Apr-17
I drew S49. Already contacted a few members on here for assistance. I'm committing to the full month of August. This will be a grind.

The enjoyable thing is that my retired father (who is a Slammer) will be out with me. He can't go back into the unit, if I decide to backpack-in for 4 days or so. However, he can fish and glass for me. We're going to have the Airstream and I'll spike out of that.

From: tobinsghost
30-Apr-17
Any goat success srories?

From: Ermine
30-Apr-17
I'm curious too on goat. I'm hoping goat isn't done! It's my only hope

From: kscowboy
30-Apr-17
Not seeing anything on goat yet.

From: jims
30-Apr-17
I have been snooping around on several hunting websites and haven't heard any mention of mtn goats yet. There still is hope!

From: TEmbry
01-May-17

TEmbry's embedded Photo
TEmbry's embedded Photo
Can anyone confirm if the backdoor method works for NR Sheep since it is a paper app? I'm trying not to get overly excited, but...

From: Tomichi
01-May-17
TE That is the coveted 500 code we all dream of. YES you drew a Colorado Big Horn Sheep tag for 2017!!!!! See their are a few Colo boys who work night shift.

From: tobinsghost
01-May-17
TE, can I officially start hating you now! Just kidding, congrats man!

CO boy who ate Mexican food too late in the evening!

From: pav
01-May-17
Congrats Trevor!

Been waiting for a NR to post successful via backdoor. Now I can finally let go of that last remaining glimmer of hope....

From: brettpsu
01-May-17
Congrats to all who drew!

My goat and sheep apps are not even showing up. Hope I didn't screw it up.

From: Sandbrew
01-May-17
TEmbry-

Did you put in for a 2nd choice ewe? If not then if should indicate a ram tag. Congrats!

Sandbrew

From: BOWUNTR
01-May-17
Wow.... Congrats Trevor. I haven't heard anything on goat yet.... there's still hope. Ed F

From: delkslayr
01-May-17
No tag for me but my dad drew S34!! I cant wait to hunt rams in the rut with him!

From: iceman
01-May-17
My NR sheep and goat apps aren't showing up yet either.

From: TEmbry
01-May-17
I did not apply for a ewe hunt so I should be going for my first archery ram in a few short months. I have to cancel my Dall Sheep plans now but luckily the dates are almost identical so getting time off work shouldn't be a big issue.

From: tkjwonta
01-May-17
NR sheep and goat applications do not show up in products on file with the 4xx code. The only way you will see anything is with the 5xx code if you draw. Good luck!

01-May-17
Anyone seeing any goat codes?

From: MathewsMan
01-May-17
A guy at the gym this morning who works in our local BLM office said that at the Division Office here his PP's were changed in their official computer and so he drew a Resident Goat tag-

From: Treeline
01-May-17
Will have to check again for goats.

Congratulations on all the lucky ones that drew sheep in CO! Good luck!!!

From: Treeline
01-May-17
No 500 codes for sheep or goat for me or my son. Guess I can look forward to a refund...

From: JRABQ
01-May-17
Congrats on the tag TEmbry, I was waiting for a non-res to post so I could give up hope.

From: wkochevar
01-May-17
Looks like next year will be year 20.....(sigh)

From: PoudreCanyon
01-May-17
Nada for me on either. Again.

01-May-17
Any idea when official results will be posted?

01-May-17
Sheep and goat results are to be posted May 3rd and the rest June 1

From: Quinn @work
01-May-17
I hope they haven't drawn goat yet but how many years is CO going to make me (resident) wait to draw a damn mtn goat tag? One less than max points and still no 500 code! Apply for the tag every year!

Good luck to all that drew.

From: otcWill
01-May-17
Pretty sure goat isn't done yet or at least not available via backdoor. No sheep for me

From: Tim M
01-May-17
I am not giving up on goats until someone here confirms their success via the backdoor or when the results are officially posted. I have lost track of the number of years I have been applying for goat but it has to be 25+. I think I lost all my "good luck" on my desert sheep tag in 2003.

01-May-17
Nothing on goat for me or my son, so hopefully its not done!

From: sticksender
01-May-17
Several of the nanny tags are in the 1:1 to 1:3 draw odds range. Considering that a good percentage of guys holding either-sex Mt Goat tags end up shooting a nanny anyway, this might be an option to consider, for some of you that have been waiting 20+ years.

From: Quinn @work
02-May-17
If I had 5 or less points I'd be applying for nanny tags. Got too many to cash in now on that tag.

From: Treeline
02-May-17
Good thought. Will probably look into that for next year. Have already killed one goat in CO (nanny) but might put my boy in for a nanny tag.

From: kscowboy
02-May-17
Quinn, that's what I did. The beauty of mountain goats is that if a guy really wants one, it's a doable hunt in AK or BC for less than $10K. My dad got his while on his Stone hunt. To put it in perspective, the unit I apply for in MT (apply for a Billy) has some NR nanny tags available. NR draw odds were 1/25 last year (which is pretty stinking good in the Western States). If I had more points, I'd sit on them and keep going for G5. A few months before I moved to CO in 2014, I applied for everything going into the draw as a NR to start building points. I had plenty of sheep, deer, and elk points prior to this time. This is my first year in the moose and goat draw at 3+0.

02-May-17

wildwilderness's embedded Photo
Youth Goat tag?
wildwilderness's embedded Photo
Youth Goat tag?
Goat is up! Looks like my 15yr old drew his Goat tag! Going to be a busy year in the mts with my sheep tag as well!

From: Cazador
02-May-17
Funny Sticksender, my partner was low on the point pole, did exactly that, 500 code this AM, while I'm at 3 y 15.

From: Ermine
02-May-17
No luck for me. My buddy drew his 2nd sheep tag (same age as me with 3+1.)

I'm still waiting on sheep and goat at 3+10

From: Mad Trapper
02-May-17
How are you guys checking this? When I go online to check preference points, it says that I have none. How do I check the applications?

Thanks

02-May-17
It's the "backdoor"- go into to CPW and click the buy a licenses. once you log in click on buy habitat stamp on the right side. It will then go to the next screen and show what you already have on file, like the images above.

From: Ramhunter
02-May-17
OMG, I drew Mountain Goat too! This never happens to me. I always worried it would, but with my past luck, never thought it would really happen. Bighorn Sheep and Mountain Goats in the same year. What a season this will be!

Ramhunter

From: sticksender
02-May-17
Amazing Ramhunter, congrats. Did you also apply for Bull Moose ;-)

From: brettpsu
02-May-17
"OMG, I drew Mountain Goat too! This never happens to me. I always worried it would, but with my past luck, never thought it would really happen. Bighorn Sheep and Mountain Goats in the same year. What a season this will be! Ramhunter"

Now that's just not fair! But seriously congrats on hitting the lotto. Good luck and keep us all posted.

From: Ermine
02-May-17
Are you kidding me?? Congrats Todd!!

02-May-17
Congrats Todd!!! I hope ya draw a moose too ya game hog!

From: Stoneman
02-May-17
Congrats on the tags Todd! This will be the year.

From: Jaquomo
02-May-17

Jaquomo's embedded Photo
Jaquomo's embedded Photo

From: txhunter58
02-May-17
Friend of mine in Durango drew an archery goat tag just north of Durango. He is pretty excited. Didn't realized that season is 2 months long!

From: BULELK1
03-May-17
Congrats Ramhunter!!

That is so cool

Enjoy

Good luck, Robb

From: elkstabber
03-May-17
LMAO! Jaquomo is right on topic.

From: iceman
03-May-17
Shouldn't the "front door" be open by now?

03-May-17
Yes, if you check your PP now they show what you did or did not draw

From: mountainman
03-May-17
I'm a non res and the front door is now telling me it can't find my CID/birth date in the system. They must be updating right now.

From: MathewsMan
03-May-17
Desert Sheep was updated early this morning, I believe they are inputting the Bighorn Data and Goats

From: sticksender
03-May-17
Yeah Sheep points are now updated, and the Draw Recap report is up already.

http://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Hunting/BigGame/Statistics/RockyMountainBighornSheep/2017SheepDrawRecap.pdf

From: MathewsMan
03-May-17
Looks like Sheep data is up officially

From: sticksender
03-May-17
Somebody used 3+9 to draw S32 ewe. Possibly an application error.

From: mountainman
03-May-17
"Somebody used 3+9 to draw S32 ewe. Possibly an application error." Ouch!

From: iceman
03-May-17
Yep. Nothing for me. Surprise!

From: Quinn @work
03-May-17
Alright, now that everyone's sheep and goat anxiety has been put to rest ..............as bad as it sounds what are the predictions for "Moose Backdoor" dates? Last year I received my moose app refund on 5/21. Didn't note when backdoor was available.

From: mountainman
03-May-17
I also see where a non res drew 09 sheep archery with 3+0! Same thing with 12 archery.

From: sticksender
03-May-17
Quinn, my notes show the Moose backdoor was open 5/18 last year.

From: Jaquomo
03-May-17
Thing is, that 3+9 for S32 ewe is basically the same as 3+1, the way the weighted point system is set up. He might have been trying for that tag for 9 years....

The real head scratcher is the CO resident last year who burned 19 elk points to draw a zero point unit with the lowest archery success rate in the state. He could've drawn 61, 76, 10, and was on the edge for 2.

03-May-17
So are the official results actually up? Someone have a link?

From: BOWUNTR
03-May-17
Just check your results.... if you're interested in seeing the word "unsuccessful" in print. I'm over 20 years into this and the odds are worse every year... Too deep to bail... Ed F

03-May-17

wildwilderness's Link
Here is the link:

http://cpw.state.co.us/thingstodo/Pages/DrawResults_PreferencePoints.aspx

If you want a Rocky Bighorn the best odds are to move to CO til you draw!

Successful for SMS06O1A! Archery Ram tag in units S06, S46 November 10-30. I had 3+6 points

From: BOWUNTR
03-May-17
I could pack my bags and start hitting the pipe... but there's still no guarantee. Ed F

From: BOWUNTR
03-May-17
I just looked at the draw stats.... On all my choices everyone who drew had less weighted points than I did... I feel much better now. Ed F

From: Treeline
03-May-17
Buddy just emailed me. He drew his 3rd goat tag in CO. Heck, he shot a goat on the first day of his first goat hunt and only spent two days on his last one because he wanted to hunt elk (OTC no less!!!) Unbelievable!

From: Shrewski
03-May-17
"Somebody used 3+9 to draw S32 ewe. Possibly an application error."

In 5 years, when my kids are out of college, I'll have 24 or 25 Montana sheep points and they will all be going on a fist choice ewe tag...maybe he wants to hunt SHEEP.

Congratulations to you guys that drew and I know just how the rest of you feel.

From: Huntcell
03-May-17
When I retire, I will burn my max montana points on a ewe tag and be done with it!

From: Ermine
04-May-17
It too depressing for me looking at the stats. So many people will less points than me drawing all the tags.

Can I have some of my weighted points taken away so that I can have a better chance? Apparently 3+1 seems to be the combo to have to draw tags

From: Well-Strung
04-May-17
I drew for GEG12O2R! 9 years for the tag.. This will be a first for me. This is going to be very interesting and quite the adventure. 1 more guy out of the draw for a few years.

From: Stoneman
04-May-17
Weighted points just give us false sense of excitement leading up to the draw... all the way until the back door opens. Then after knocking down the door several times until it sinks in that we didn't draw again for another year. Next the the stats come out and it's like a good dose of salt in the open wound. Weighted points???

Yet there are tags to be had and animals to kill this fall.

Good luck on the moose draw! 36 years and counting...

From: Ermine
04-May-17
Yea ha you nailed it Dave! Salt in the wounds forsure! Wow ! 36 years!! I hope this is the year for you!

From: Treeline
04-May-17
Been putting in for moose since before they gave out points, but not sure for how long. Certainly not 36 years, but do have max points. Seems like even though there are more moose tags available in CO, and sitting on max points, the odds aren't any better than they were when I started putting in.

From: Ermine
04-May-17
Moose seem so to Be the hardest to draw forsure!!

And yea the points don't mean a thing! After 3 everyone is equal chance. In fact I would bet less points has the better chance. This based off the last 5 years of people drawing the same tags I put in for with 3+0..3+1...etc

From: MathewsMan
04-May-17
You guys need to look at it like it is still the 3 PP's system and the WP thing is not relevant. Having More WP's tends to assist, but not really.

From: Stoneman
04-May-17
It has been a while, however, I think this is close to what happened... moose were re introduced into the state in the late 70's (1978 comes to mind) It was around 1981we had our first season, with a couple of tags I think. At that time it was strictly a raffle. The raffle system was in place for some time... until they adopted the point system. I am not sure if they went directly to the goat / sheep weighted system from the start, but that is what we have now. Max points going into this years draw is 3 and 16, so 19 years under this system. Knowing what we do now, it would have been much more productive to draw a cow or even 2 then go for a bull... who knew!

From: Mad Trapper
04-May-17
No sheep tag for me...AGAIN

04-May-17
me neither

From: BOWUNTR
04-May-17
"You guys need to look at it like it is still the 3 PP's system and the WP thing is not relevant. Having More WP's tends to assist, but not really."

I get that.... the weighted points are for false hope for the time period between submitting the app and the draw results. I seriously just want to draw just to get out of this annual cycle so that I never have to put in again. Next year I'm gonna pull a Ramhunter... Ed F

From: Mad Trapper
04-May-17
What Ed said!

From: tkjwonta
04-May-17
If any of you guys want to get rid of your stacks of weighted points I'll gladly trade you for my 3+2 and 3+0. And if you'll buy that, I've got some ocean front property...

From: Ermine
04-May-17
I'll trade you. I'll down size some points as it seems it's easier to draw with less points than me every time

From: MathewsMan
05-May-17
Why would you want to get rid of 3+0 or 3+2 those draw all the tags :^)

From: TEmbry
08-May-17
3+0 is the winning combo. S12 bound in a few short months :)

First time I've ever won a long odds raffle/draw. I'm only 26, and started applying for this tag in hopes of drawing before I was 50. You can't win if you don't apply. I apply for these long shot hunts and plan my fall as if I never even applied. If I pull a tag, I'll scramble to rearrange plans because its a OIL type tag. If I don't, no sweat I'm still going hunting all fall somewhere for something.

From: Treeline
08-May-17
Dang, you Alaskans are doing well in pulling that tag! Congratulations! Get your butt in shape! It is definitely high country hunting. Some good info on here if you do a little searching the bowsite for S12.

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