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UTAH DRAW RESULTS?
Elk
Contributors to this thread:
SteveB 17-May-17
BOWUNTR 17-May-17
Bigdan 17-May-17
Quarters 17-May-17
Bowhunter 17-May-17
SteveB 17-May-17
SteveB 17-May-17
cmbbulldog 17-May-17
SteveB 17-May-17
BOWUNTR 17-May-17
ben h 17-May-17
SteveB 17-May-17
9er 17-May-17
BULELK1 18-May-17
SteveB 18-May-17
tenpoint 18-May-17
YZF-88 18-May-17
elkstabber 18-May-17
Capra 18-May-17
SteveB 18-May-17
YZF-88 19-May-17
BULELK1 19-May-17
Empty Freezer 19-May-17
Dave 19-May-17
Zim 19-May-17
SteveB 19-May-17
Zim1 19-May-17
Zim 19-May-17
Zim1 19-May-17
YZF-88 19-May-17
HDE 19-May-17
SteveB 19-May-17
IdyllwildArcher 20-May-17
Charlie Rehor 20-May-17
6x7 20-May-17
Tjw 20-May-17
BULELK1 21-May-17
SteveB 21-May-17
Treeline 21-May-17
Bigdan 21-May-17
6x7 21-May-17
sticksender 21-May-17
elkstabber 22-May-17
sticksender 22-May-17
SteveB 22-May-17
Twanger 22-May-17
badbull 22-May-17
SteveB 22-May-17
wildwilderness 22-May-17
sticksender 22-May-17
Empty Freezer 22-May-17
Treeline 22-May-17
Flynarrow 22-May-17
Zim 22-May-17
Empty Freezer 22-May-17
Zim 22-May-17
badbull 22-May-17
Empty Freezer 22-May-17
Zim 22-May-17
Dikndirt 23-May-17
Dikndirt 23-May-17
Bowhunter 23-May-17
wildwilderness 23-May-17
bowbender77 23-May-17
Bowhunter 23-May-17
Chasin Bugles 23-May-17
Buglmin 23-May-17
Olink 23-May-17
Bowboy 23-May-17
sticksender 23-May-17
Bowhunter 23-May-17
Quinn @work 23-May-17
Norseman 23-May-17
sticksender 23-May-17
TODDY 23-May-17
midwest 23-May-17
txhunter58 23-May-17
YZF-88 23-May-17
Empty Freezer 23-May-17
SteveB 23-May-17
Bigdan 23-May-17
Tracker 23-May-17
TODDY 23-May-17
Bowhunter 23-May-17
Treeline 23-May-17
Bowhunter 23-May-17
Bigdan 24-May-17
Bigdan 24-May-17
pav 24-May-17
BULELK1 24-May-17
loesshillsarcher 24-May-17
Trial153 24-May-17
Zim1 24-May-17
deerhaven 24-May-17
Fulldraw1972 24-May-17
otcWill 24-May-17
DEMO-Bowhunter 24-May-17
elkstabber 24-May-17
IdyllwildArcher 24-May-17
Fulldraw1972 24-May-17
No Bark 24-May-17
Bigdan 24-May-17
Ron Niziolek 24-May-17
Bake 24-May-17
YZF-88 24-May-17
ben h 24-May-17
5575 25-May-17
Twinetickler 25-May-17
willliamtell 26-May-17
Quinn @work 26-May-17
BULELK1 26-May-17
Bigdan 04-Jun-17
SteveB 04-Jun-17
From: SteveB
17-May-17

SteveB's embedded Photo
First time to see this. Wasn't there yesterday.
SteveB's embedded Photo
First time to see this. Wasn't there yesterday.
Interesting. Yesterday I could view all of my Utah points for all species. Today I cannot and it says "Eligibility will be available by Wednesday, May 31". Never saw that before. Anyone ever see this? No credit card pre-hit yet either.

From: BOWUNTR
17-May-17
Worst results turn around in the country.... Utah is my last chance! Ed F

From: Bigdan
17-May-17
I still have 4 Utah , Nevada & Montana big three then Az Deer & Sheep

From: Quarters
17-May-17
Just checked mine and my old mans and got the same thing. The last few years I have been able to see before my card even was hit if they wiped my points out. Keeping our fingers crossed for Bull Elk this year.

From: Bowhunter
17-May-17
This waiting is killing me!!!!

From: SteveB
17-May-17
Quarters: thanks. Was just wondering if anyone else saw the same thing. Was hoping it was some clue either way as I need to schedule my AZ elk hunt dates. Historically they hit cards in a Utah May 12-16 timeframe from what I read so they're behind this year.

From: SteveB
17-May-17
Quarters: thanks. Was just wondering if anyone else saw the same thing. Was hoping it was some clue either way as I need to schedule my AZ elk hunt dates. Historically they hit cards in a Utah May 12-16 timeframe from what I read so they're behind this year.

From: cmbbulldog
17-May-17
Draw has started. CC's are being hit.

From: SteveB
17-May-17
On top of it my Amex card was compromised last week and they replaced it. Does anyone know if Utah calls if there is a problem with the card? Now that would really suck to get drawn and the card not be able to process. I called Utah and they said too late to change cards but they contact folks with issues. I hope he was right.

From: BOWUNTR
17-May-17
Yes, they call if your card is declined... at least, they say they do. Ed F

From: ben h
17-May-17
SteveB, That happened to a buddy of mine a few years ago and they did call to get replacement payment.

From: SteveB
17-May-17
Thanks guys, much appreciated. Few more days now and we will all know. Always a chance right?

From: 9er
17-May-17
Always chance to draw. Cards are being hit now. Good luck all

From: BULELK1
18-May-17
Hang in there SteveB!

I got a text last night from a non-ressy buddy that drew Crawfords Late muzzy Muley.

No drop in available credit on my C-card this early AM (0238 MST)

'Ya Gotta Believe'

Good luck, Robb

From: SteveB
18-May-17
Interesting: UTAH just told me via the help line that they will allow up to July 19 to correct any credit card issues. That's pretty liberal and how other states should do it. Because of fraud they canceled mine last week and re-issued. I would have been pretty ticked had that cost me a tag. Doubtful to draw, but sure wouldn't want a card issue to be the problem.

From: tenpoint
18-May-17
Called Utah fish and game yesterday, 31st any earlier results will be E mailed to you Per agent

From: YZF-88
18-May-17
Don't fret if you haven't been charged or called yet. At a minimum, I'm guaranteed a general archery deer tag and have nothing pending (have more points than required).

From: elkstabber
18-May-17
SteveB: that's weird because if you have up until July 19 to get your credit card issues straightened out then that means that a person could "hold" a tag for almost two months before paying for it. Like a rain check or a layaway plan. Normally businesses don't operate like that when their product is in high demand.

I thought that if the CC wasn't good that they tried to call you several times and after that they issued the tag to the next in line. It doesn't make sense that they would hold a tag without a payment when there is another person that is next in the draw willing to pay.

That sounds like a mess if Utah does it that way. I'm not trying to upset anybody but the "layaway" tag sounds like a terrible business plan.

From: Capra
18-May-17
My card was compromised as well when I called last week they would not allow me to update it.......... After I badgered them and begged they still would not accept my new card number.

They simply said they would call me if a charge failed. Other than that they would not commit to anything.

From: SteveB
18-May-17
Capra: same here. I do think they will call if we get lucky.

Elkstabber: just passing along what the agent told me. I was surprised as well. I think it may be because in order to be this far in the process we did have a successful charge back in February. They know there must be some weird card issue at that point.

From: YZF-88
19-May-17
I just got charged for either a general deer tag or my wife's CWMU tag. Hoping for the later situation. Thought I was a lock for my LE archery deer tag this year.

From: BULELK1
19-May-17
+1 Curt-----that does sound strange that they would do a 'layaway' plan....Kmart logic!!

haha

Dang Jason---that is kinda like combo news good-n-sad....hang in there, ya never know the speed of the process.

Good luck, Robb

19-May-17
Just talked to an agent and she said the draw started Wednesday at 5 PM and would take 2 to 4 days.. Faster than I thought. She told me to start crying on Wednesday 24th if I hadn't heard anything..

From: Dave
19-May-17
"My card was compromised as well when I called last week they would not allow me to update it.......... After I badgered them and begged they still would not accept my new card number.

They simply said they would call me if a charge failed. Other than that they would not commit to anything. " Why can't you just do it on the website? https://www.utah-hunt.com/(S(tbrh45454tkn4xbvjgffkjjb))/default.aspx

From: Zim
19-May-17
Just got hit for my general deer season tags. Guess one of these years I'll have to just accept the inevitable and attend the Western Hunting and Conservation Expo to buy a premium tag. Doubtful I'll ever draw anything worthwhile unless I do. Big shout out to Sportsman for Fish and Wildlife for that!

From: SteveB
19-May-17
Dave: "Why can't you just do it on the website?"

Because the link doesn't work. They shut it down.

From: Zim1
19-May-17
Oh geez don't anyone confuse the two of us! Our opinion of SFW is slightly different. You'll see me at the Expo as soon as hell freezes over, or my ex gets a real job: http://kutv.com/news/local/allegations-of-corruption-surround-utah-hungtin-and-conservation-expo https://www.cascwild.org/don-peay-the-man-who-would-be-king-baron/ http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/conservationist/2012/03/group-founder-declares-north-american-hunting-model-%E2%80%9Csocialism%E2%80%9D http://www.standard.net/Recreation/2016/02/10/Transparency-still-debated-around-2016-Western-Hunting-and-Conservation-Expo.html http://www.mtbullypulpit.org/2012/06/pox-on-fox.html http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013/03/19/did-don-peays-organization-essentially-buy-utah-division-of-wildlife/ http://westernvaluesproject.org/taxpayer-dollars-down-the-drain-utah-group-favors-privatized-hunting-energy-industry-over-hunters-anglers/ http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/us/auctions-introduce-market-forces-to-conservation-but-hunters-cry-foul.html?smid=pl-share&_r=2 http://missoulian.com/news/opinion/columnists/group-seeking-privatized-wildlife-spreading-misinformation/article_dfb5fe10-8570-11e1-99d1-0019bb2963f4.html https://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/urgent-sfw-founder-requests-taxpayer-money-to-lobby-for-wolf-delisting/ http://www.themudflats.net/archives/25891 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Arizona-Sportsmen-Against-Hb-2072/274702462612489

From: Zim
19-May-17
My comment was made in sarcasm - SFW is inherently corrupt and the Utah DNR is in bed with them. Makes me sick

From: Zim1
19-May-17
Oh OK my bad. I thought you mentioned that to me previously.

Anyway, no luck for me, but I'd have had to turn it back in anyway due to my AZ tag.

From: YZF-88
19-May-17
It's official now. I just drew a general archery deer tag. No LE archery deer. Ugh. Frustrating. I'm off the elk waiting list starting next year so now my deer points will sit in limbo and decline in value due to point creep. If I can apply for elk...I'm going to. Oh well. Going to make the most of it and accept the challenge.

Zim, maybe our spouses can start a business together, make some cash and we can carpool to the Expo together!

From: HDE
19-May-17
They try a card 5 times. If it doesn't go through, they call.

They do this because of debit cards, monthly payments catching up, etc...

From: SteveB
19-May-17
HDE: 5 times over how long a period? My card was replaced due to fraud so they could try it 1000 times. Wonder if it's once a day for 5 days etc?

20-May-17
Friend of a friend got his card hit for elk today (Friday).

20-May-17
OK, that's the first elk tag. Keep the faith.

From: 6x7
20-May-17
I got my cc hit for LE elk two days ago. No deer though.

From: Tjw
20-May-17
General season dutton. Ni limited entry maybe next year.

From: BULELK1
21-May-17
6x7 When ya going scouting 'up there' soon or later in the summer?

Good luck, Robb

From: SteveB
21-May-17
Either they are still drawing or very few Bowsiters got Utah tags this year.

From: Treeline
21-May-17
Not seeing any cc hits on my side. Hoping to see something bounce out next week.

From: Bigdan
21-May-17
With so few damn tags in Utah for NR you won't see many tags drawen

From: 6x7
21-May-17
Bullelk1, I usually start looking around up there, and placing cameras around the first part of June. Then I get up there about three more times before the start of the hunt.

From: sticksender
21-May-17
From what I can tell, OIL has not been done yet. No posts by anyone yet on MM for OIL hits, and that site is usually the bellwether.

From: elkstabber
22-May-17

elkstabber's embedded Photo
elkstabber's embedded Photo
Here is the draw order from the UT book.

This is confusing because YZF-288 said that he draw a general deer license (8th in draw order) and Sticksender said that no one has drawn the OIL tags (4th in draw order).

From: sticksender
22-May-17
Hard to say but they may do the card hits in a different order than they run the draw itself.

From: SteveB
22-May-17
I got a PM over the weekend from someone who did draw an OIL tag.

From: Twanger
22-May-17
My hunting partner has had a hit for a bison tag so they are drawing OIL tags.

From: badbull
22-May-17
General deer cc hits for three of us so drawing must be about over. Good luck.........badbull

From: SteveB
22-May-17
Well, thanks everyone for your input. Congrats to those who drew. As much as I had hoped to draw, it simplifies my life already having an Arizona Elk tag. So now I fully engage there!

22-May-17
I guess they forgot to hit my cc for DBHS :(

From: sticksender
22-May-17
mine too wildwilderness!

22-May-17
On the General Deer Tag are you guys res or non-resident?

From: Treeline
22-May-17
Not seeing a cc hit... Guess I will just have to wait for the bad news...

From: Flynarrow
22-May-17
I'm non-res, my cc got hit last Wednesday. General deer tag.

From: Zim
22-May-17
Non-res for me

22-May-17
This is worse than waitin to see if i was pregnant..

From: Zim
22-May-17
Empty Freezer - As corrupt as the Utah DNR is, you likely don't need to worry about it. You don't get that kind of "service" unless you pay top dollar through their cronies at Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife.

From: badbull
22-May-17
Non-res, cc's hit today............badbull

22-May-17
Thats way above my pay grade. Just want to hunt Utah with my buddy. I just get angry when i know there is crap like that happening..

From: Zim
22-May-17
Totally agree, I'm in the exact same boat, I just want to hunt with my family. I try to remain positive in my social media posts but at the same time I don't want this particular issue to fall by the way-side - it infuriates me. Corrupt officials count on the complacency of us little folk to continue with their deceitful ways but at the same time I should try to remain positive as well. K, I'm done venting...

From: Dikndirt
23-May-17

From: Dikndirt
23-May-17
I know a guy who was charged this morning for 4 deer tags....only thing is he only had two apps in.??? My son put in 5 choices for archery deer, some in units that traditionally go undersubscribed and hasn't had a card hit so who the heck knows what is going on.!!

From: Bowhunter
23-May-17
The suspense is killing me!!! Hurry up and send the emails!!

23-May-17
With the General Deer tags; this year's draw is different with all 1st choices being considered first. That will definitely change the odds for a lot of deer units

From: bowbender77
23-May-17
Just got the email, 5/23/17, 4:15 P.M. Drew General Deer...Beaver. Good Luck!

From: Bowhunter
23-May-17
Nice! No email for me yet, checking every minute!!

23-May-17

Chasin Bugles's Link
Points were just updated and posted on their website

From: Buglmin
23-May-17
Got hit late last week on the credit card and just got my email. I drew mule deer tags in Utah and Colorado!!! Time to reconsider my thoughts for elk...

From: Olink
23-May-17
Got a nasty email. UNSUCCESSFUL: Limited Entry Bull Elk

From: Bowboy
23-May-17
Email for me bonus points deer,elk, and moose

From: sticksender
23-May-17
Here's the direct link to view your points:

https://www.utah-hunt.com/UT_returncard/(S(o32tzvhoz2gt5yos5cyosy55))/default.aspx

Nothin' for my son or I this year!

From: Bowhunter
23-May-17
Still no email, points not updated yet, must not be sending out the good news till tomorrow

From: Quinn @work
23-May-17
Thanks Sticksender for the link. Another donation this year.

From: Norseman
23-May-17
21 elk points. Next year! Wifey poo gave me the go ahead!

From: sticksender
23-May-17
Norseman, nice....I have point envy! Very few are ahead of you, and very few of those will be in for archery. Do you know which hunt you'll be trying for?

From: TODDY
23-May-17
I'm with Bowhunter, no email, no updated points. Though I don't see any activity on my cc either... TODDY

From: midwest
23-May-17
Welp...no Henrys or San Jaun tag for me!

From: txhunter58
23-May-17
Just got my UNN email this evening

From: YZF-88
23-May-17
My points are updated and verified unsuccessful for LE but I did get the general deer tag I wanted.

23-May-17
Congrats to those were successful.. I gotta wait another year.. Boo Hoo

From: SteveB
23-May-17
Boo Hoo for me too. Utah keeps getting harder instead of easier.

From: Bigdan
23-May-17
My grand daughter just got her results nothing

From: Tracker
23-May-17
Just got my thanks but no tags for you this year:(

From: TODDY
23-May-17
Spoke too soon. The dreaded Unsuccessful Email just showed up. :0 ( TODDY

From: Bowhunter
23-May-17
Dang it man! I'm still hoping and checking every minute or so:)

From: Treeline
23-May-17
Unsuccessful across the board again in Utah....

From: Bowhunter
23-May-17
Well the news came, no luck for me!

From: Bigdan
24-May-17
No email No points up date come on

From: Bigdan
24-May-17
Email just came O's on everything 11:30 Pm

From: pav
24-May-17
No love here either...unsuccessful across the board.

From: BULELK1
24-May-17
Sorry fella's------

TJ ~~ game on next year man!!

Good luck, Robb

24-May-17
Tag free

From: Trial153
24-May-17
Just got the email last night, strike out on both deer and elk ...

From: Zim1
24-May-17
Email is in. I won 7 USUCS.

From: deerhaven
24-May-17
Wife and I both struck out.

From: Fulldraw1972
24-May-17
I got an email. Points for elk and deer again this year. Maybe next year is the year.

From: otcWill
24-May-17
No luck

24-May-17
0's all across the board for me.

From: elkstabber
24-May-17
I scored on points!

24-May-17
My dad, brother, and I all struck out. Not too many bowsiters with Utah tags this year...

From: Fulldraw1972
24-May-17
The one year I am glad I struck out. With a Wyoming elk tag in my pocket I am all in for Wyoming this year. I could of handled the Book Cliffs deer tag though.

From: No Bark
24-May-17
Another Unsuccessful email for the three of us.. It's a trap, I tell ya'

From: Bigdan
24-May-17
My buddy from Ohio drew a Wyoming sheep tag & a Utah Elk SUCCESSFUL: Limited Entry Archery Bull Elk

Hunt: Paunsaugunt Weapon: Archery Your season date(s): Aug 19 - Sept 15, 2017

*********************************************************************************************************

From: Ron Niziolek
24-May-17
Nada. 19 bison points though.

From: Bake
24-May-17
Nyet

From: YZF-88
24-May-17
My buddy pulled an Ogden Willard billy goat tag with only 5 points. Lucky dog. He beat 1.4% odds in the random pool.

From: ben h
24-May-17
Ron, are you doing Book Cliffs or Henry's? My friends dad drew last year in the Books with 22 points. Super fun hunt and we got lucky and could get the truck to around 100 yds away......still took 4 of us 3-4 hours to get it all cut up. The bull we got was all by himself; if you hunt the herds you'll have company and it's trickier than it sounds to pick a good one with 60 others and once someone shoots they scatter faster than you'd think. Opening morning we had 3 different groups on one herd. Only one group shot and honestly I think they shot the 1st one they saw and it looked like a calf to me, but I was 500 yds away.

A friend of mine and I put in as a group for general deer on the North Slope of the Unitas (4 pts total, so 2 a piece). As a resident it's been pretty much every other year for archery deer. We'll get OTC elk tags too, when they become available.

From: 5575
25-May-17
My son drew the early elk tag by mistake on the Paunsaugunt. Put in for the wrong unit and drew the random tag with just a couple points. Never even considered it for elk, just deer. But after looking into it, we are looking forward to the 1200 mile trip in sept! It looks to be a very tough hunt, but this will be his first elk hunt. There must be some descent bulls there since folks are burning 17 points on it lately, Guess we'll see how it goes! If anyone has any helpful info you can message me. Thanks!

From: Twinetickler
25-May-17
5575 depending on how many points you burned you may want to consider turning that tag back. If it's the early rifle hunt you might be ok. My Dad and I have archery hunted it several times, and I live an hour from the unit. It can be a tough, frustrating hunt. If you do keep it, feel free to hit me up i would be happy to help out or at least send you in a decent direction.

From: willliamtell
26-May-17
Gotta give the Ute's credit, they pick your pocket but it's half of what the other agencies extract for the same result. Scary reading some of the point totals with no dice.

From: Quinn @work
26-May-17
Anyone have any outfitter or trespass hunt recommendations for the Zion unit deer in late September?

From: BULELK1
26-May-17
5575 for sure listen to twinetickler as that hunt can be very tough!

You will see some PIG muley bucks though!

Quinn-- I never really have heard of any Deer guides on the Zion ~~ Sheep (Desert Rams) yes.

Good luck, Robb

From: Bigdan
04-Jun-17
I just got an email from my buddy one of his twins drew a Henrys Any weapon tag He just got out of the Alaska bear camp were he has been for two weeks hunting grizz.

From: SteveB
04-Jun-17
Henry's any weapon? Holy cow!

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