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Discuss Bloodtrail Challenge 41
Whitetail Deer
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Pat Lefemine 05-Jul-17
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HerdManager 05-Jul-17
drycreek 05-Jul-17
Pigsticker 05-Jul-17
loprofile 05-Jul-17
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From: Pat Lefemine
05-Jul-17

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From: drycreek
05-Jul-17
Big fat zero right out of the box, but I disagree wholeheartedly ! An arrow through the meat in the shoulder and that's a heart shot buck ! Fifteen yards is a gimme.....even for me.

From: elkmtngear
05-Jul-17
Agreed, that buck is dead.

From: greg simon
05-Jul-17
I got the answer on the game right but I agree with drycreek. 15 yards at that angle I'm shooting now.

From: Brotsky
05-Jul-17
If the questions was "This is the shot of a lifetime, what is Pat thinking?" The answer would have been A. Good thing this isn't a turkey.

From: HerdManager
05-Jul-17
It's possible to lung shoot that deer at that angle, but his leg is covering a big chunk of his vitals. Waiting is the best option, but if I'm already at full draw, I'd have a hard time not shooting.

From: drycreek
05-Jul-17
Herd, there's a big old wide open space with no bones in that leg/shoulder area and it covers his pump. At forty yards, even thirty yards, I'm waiting, but at fifteen, he's dead !

But that's what makes this game rock ! I wish there were one every week, but Pat would have to give up his day job.....

From: Pigsticker
05-Jul-17
I shot him knowing that the leg was forward for above reasons. If it had said wait and let step forward I may have played the game. in reality this is shot as soon as I have a good shot opportunity at 15 yards because at that distance things can go south quick.

From: loprofile
05-Jul-17
Guessed wrong answer again. There is no way that is a poor angle. The deer is perfectly broadside. If the question was would you shoot I would say no but because of the shoulder blade - not the angle. So I guessed yes and typically missed again.

From: dmann
05-Jul-17
I answered correctly because the front leg is back, but i agree if im at full draw, I'd take that shot.

From: drycreek
05-Jul-17
I made a chickensh*t start, but I am in good company ! LOL

From: elkmtngear
05-Jul-17

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Just this:

05-Jul-17
I agree, that I would be shooting, but I got the answer right because I know how Pat thinks.

TMBB

From: 12yards
05-Jul-17
What about a broadside shot is a bad angle? LOL!

From: GotBowAz
05-Jul-17
Im with everyone else and got it wrong. 15 yard shot, good broadside shot, right in the pump house. Great picture of the vitals Jeff.

From: Glunt@work
05-Jul-17
Hmmm. answer honestly and correctly or just pick the one I think the game wants...what to do, what to do.

From: JTV
05-Jul-17
so far, so good ... I have been in that situation before... the buck won with my decision ...

From: JusPassin
05-Jul-17
Is it a perfect shot, no. Is it a decent shot, yes. Is it a shot worth taking after sitting a week, of course, no question.

From: tradmt
05-Jul-17
How the f@&$k can this be a poor shot choice?

Another month and it will be threads bragging how awesome the frontal is. :/

From: txhunter58
05-Jul-17
Prob do fine with the shot presented, but he is eating something and should move that right leg forward in a couple of seconds, then there is no doubt and a clear shooting lane. For a buck like that, pays to be sure.

From: Stekewood
05-Jul-17
The deer is completely oblivious to the hunter's presence and walking. The angle and leg position is only going to get better. You guys that would take that shot are either rookies or nuts. ;-)

From: pipe
05-Jul-17
I shot at him and I'll take my 3 points...thank you. Now I'll go find him

From: elkmtngear
05-Jul-17
"The angle and leg position is only going to get better"

IF nothing spooks him, or changes his status.

Certainly no rookie here, and I would make short work of that "buck of a lifetime" at 15 yards. I've learned to take the earliest, good opportunity over the Years.

From: Paul@thefort
05-Jul-17
I scored a 0 but surely would have taken the shot because at the squeeze of the trigger, the leg did go forward. I saw it! my best, Paul

From: drycreek
05-Jul-17
I may be nuts, the jury is still out on that, but the last antelope I killed was shot in that same position and the only bone I hit was on the going away side ! He fell in sixty yards....graveyard dead ! Right through the heart !

PS: Don't ask my wife about the nuts part, it's a secret !

From: RutnStrut
05-Jul-17
HMMM. In 2009 i took that exact same shot at 26 yds on a 6.5 year old near 300lb live weight WI buck. The heart was sliced almost in 2 from the broadhead. I will take that shot any day of the week. I have learned that when a mature buck is in range, you take the first decent shot you have. There are many times where that "better" shot doesn't happen.

From: Scrappy
06-Jul-17
Anyone who wouldn't take this shot really really needs to do some more studying on a deers anatomy.

From: Brotsky
06-Jul-17
I would take that shot on that buck and be enjoying his backstraps on the grill with a Pendleton on ice a few hours later. I answered the way I knew Pat wanted me to answer though so I got 9 points:) I had the pleasure of talking with one of the world's most accomplished bowhunters not long ago, a guy who has taken the NA 29 and then some with the bow. I asked him for the one piece of advice he thinks is most critical to being a successful bowhunter. His answer was "Take the first good shot you get. You might not get another one." Makes sense to me.

From: DRR324
06-Jul-17
Anyone who would take this shot needs about 1 or 2 seconds of patience... Deer is walking, (note the blurry hind leg) front leg will be forward and the prime shot opportunity appears

From: olebuck
06-Jul-17
I would not hesitate 1 second to take that shot. straight up the leg, lower 3rd and let her rip.... right through the shoulder blade and out the armpit on the other side. Dead in 20 seconds

i shoot a heavy set up though. if i pulled 55lbs and a 350 grain arrow i would reconsider.

From: RutnStrut
06-Jul-17
Well at least you did the second one right Pat;)

From: Timbrhuntr
06-Jul-17
I would take the shot but I sometimes use a crossbow during archery season because I have always been able to here and it would blow right through that shoulder like a rifle LOL

From: Broken Arrow
06-Jul-17
Angle is good leg position not, for me I draw and voice grunt on next step.

From: Smtn10PT
06-Jul-17
If you keep waiting for a better shot than that and you'll likely spend more than just a week of sun up to sun downs in your tree!

From: Helgermite
06-Jul-17
I agree, the angle is fine. If the choice said the near side leg is back partially covering the vitals rather than the angle I would have chosen that answer. As it is, I would take that shot the first day or the last day of a hunt and just hold a little tighter forward.

From: Oakie
06-Jul-17
Ya'll remember the 12 yard walking shot in the bloodtrail challenge from last year where the 'correct' answer was to wait? And he waited for a better shot and wound up taking a farther one, resulting in a poor hit, and the blood trail in the rain that took forever because he passed up the slam dunk? I scored either a 0 or 3 for selecting the 12 yard walking shot in that contest. So this time, instead of giving the wrong answer that wound up proving to be right, I gave the wrong answer that would be scored right. Sitting pretty at 18! haha

From: Witchdoctor
06-Jul-17
I said D for clue #2 because he's alert and might jump the string. Shoot where they will be. I would have shot for the back of the near elbow. Thanks!

From: grizzlyadam
06-Jul-17
Nice to see another blood trail challenge, these have always been my favorite thing on bowsite.

06-Jul-17
I have to give myself partial credit for question 1.While I didn't like the leg position it was a nice walking buck. That fact told me that in a quarter second things would look much better.

From: TNBUCK
07-Jul-17
I agree with most here... The problem in question #1 was not the angle. The answer was worded incorrectly. The problem could have been that the near side shoulder was in the way.

From: Pintail
07-Jul-17
I have had even chip shots go bad, that being said I agree there is too much shoulder covering the boiler room.

From: greg simon
07-Jul-17
WTF!!! I put C for question two and hit submit and it popped back up with three points for answering D!!! I can't believe the Russians are interfering with Bowsite Bloodtrail Challenge. There goes my perfect score...didn't take long!

From: Jarhead
07-Jul-17
Couple of things... on the first question - the "angle" was just fine... I remember reading something about "broadside" being pretty good for arrows. Second thing - there's NO WAY I'd be able to sit in my stand for a full 45 minutes after that shot... on that buck. I'da sent a few texts... looked with my bino's and then started creeping after that big fella!

From: Pete-pec
07-Jul-17
I agree with jarhead. Angle and leg position are two different things. If the answer had said poor leg position, I'd have answered accordingly. If it was me, and I knew the deer was walking, I'd have waited altogether for the deer to stop. Not really complaining, because it is just a game we never know the rules for lol, but the available answers could have been written better. Knowing Pat, he would have docked us for picking that same answer stating that the angle was clearly not the issue....because broadside is not an issue for me....how about the rest of you? Evil man he is! LOL!

From: Medicinemann
07-Jul-17
Greg Simon,

I had the same thing happen to me, but caught it before pressing "enter"

.....and we should all enjoy Question #3....it is probably Pat's "Gimme" question....especially if you revisit the Feature thread and reread Pat's text.

From: RIDeerhunter
07-Jul-17
On the first clue The shot was very doable with a good quality Rage no problem getting it into the heart in that pic.

From: BC
07-Jul-17
I got skunked on #3. I would have trailed right away with that shot. Figure it would take enough time to get gear together and out of the tree. I shot a buck in MO last year and decided to have breakfast before tracking. Hour later we found him but the coyotes found him first.

From: 12yards
07-Jul-17
I'm sorry but there isn't that much difference on clue 1 whether the leg is forward or back. There is still plenty of room in the vitals to make it a very easy shot. I don't even pay attention to the front leg on a shot that close. Heck the shoulder/leg bones hardly get in the way when they are back. If I was that scared to make a bad shot on a deer, I'd give it up. Passing up a great shot at a deer for a little greater shot is just plain dumb.

From: PI
07-Jul-17
If the question was : Would you take this shot if there was never going to be another chance on this deer , then we would all have the correct answer. I have passed on a frontal shot with head and neck fully up . Buck of a lifetime , but there was a thin shrub to pass through and the risk of a deflection made for an ethical delema . I waited at full draw for about an eternity , for him to follow the trail he was on which would have given me a perfect 25 yard broadside from the ground. Instead, He snorted and turned on his heals , presenting only the southern end, going north. Best shot I never took. I have shot at 5 yards on a buck of a second lifetime facing away and drilled this beast . Must have caught some solid bone but the 70 lbs of smack still buried half into him. Should have been tickling the heart after taking a lung. He kept walking away with lung parts all over the place, massive blood loss but no exit hole. Someone else recovered him and is enjoying the trophy. He Would not give him up either... Cant say I made a mistake either time but one I remember with good feelings and the other haunted me for years...

From: Bowfreak
07-Jul-17
Leg back or forward, I'm shooting. Also...no way I wait 45 minutes on that hit. I'd be surprised if you didn't hear him crash.

From: Boris
07-Jul-17
I agree, I would have started to get down. It would have taken about 5 plus minutes to get down. That deer should be less than 100 yards. On question 3, I hit A and got 0.

From: bigbuckbob
07-Jul-17
#3 - I said start immediate because the shot was dead on the kill area and a certain kill. If there predator issue was not in play, 45 min for sure.

07-Jul-17
Who here has bumped a deer by starting to track too soon? Who has waited too long and had to share the kill with the local predators? Which felt worse?

From: JusPassin
07-Jul-17
I swear some folks just wait to drag it out and make it seem like they are cool. Dumb. With that hit just crawl down and go get him.

From: JTV
07-Jul-17
unless I see the deer go down, I wait..and with the times available I knew which to choose ...some here like to beech, because they like to beech it seems.. lol ...

From: Bowbender8
07-Jul-17
I took a 0 for clue 3. I knew I would so it's OK. Pat was able to review his shot on video as was I. That shot was so perfect, and a full pass through, that I am confident the deer was down in 30 seconds from the shot. No need to risk the animal even 45 minutes. But I knew that was Pat's standard.

From: yooper89
07-Jul-17
I waited 45 minutes because I've bumped a deer that I put a great shot on, only to never find the deer again - ended up on a neighbor's property and he kept it. It dropped in its tracks, I walked back to deer camp to grab a 4 wheeler. In all the commotion, the deer spooked and away he went. I was 17 at the time, and devastated. Biggest deer I'd shot.

Guy did offer me the rack about 2 years later though.

From: JusPassin
07-Jul-17
Oh, I knew I'd get no points, but I don't put down what I consider a silly answer just for the points.

07-Jul-17
I got a 0 on #3. Great hit and by the time I got settled down, out of the stand, gathered my gear it would have been 20 minutes.

From: drycreek
07-Jul-17
Well, I got with the program and got #3 right. I would not have tracked immediately unless I saw/heard him fall, but there was no 15 minute option, which is MAYBE what I would have waited. With a buck like that, I may have to wait until my heart settled and my pacemaker cooled off !

From: Knife2sharp
07-Jul-17
Did anyone else hesitate selecting 'C' for clue 2? I did, I was expecting to be bamboozled.

From: txhunter58
08-Jul-17
Personally I think the shot was just a little back to put him down almost immediately. The guys who say they would go immediately would beat themselves up on a buck like that if they went too early and he jumped up and ran off. On a buck of a lifetime, you should be extra cautious. And generally out in the field, you don't have the luxury of replaying the shot on video, so even when I think it is perfect, I am going to wait 30-45 minutes. What is the harm?

From: Broken Arrow
08-Jul-17
Right on txhunter58, a bit far back for my liking, and very common to see a hit like that and think double lung, and then at recovery find a liver hit. I would have to assume Pat looked at the footage before tracking, I froze the vid and could see the entry hole, my immediate thought was dead deer, but, shot too far back, could be back of lungs but a lower the hit that far back good chance of liver hit. Personally I would start the track after 45 min, and then depending on blood trail decide to continue, or give a bit more time. If dead at 45 min, will still be dead at 2 hours, the only factor to worry about would be the predators, but push him and he is gone anyhow, so would chance a bit more time if the trail didn't look good.

From: southbeagle
08-Jul-17
I got 0 for clue 1, even though due to disability, I'm forced to shoot a crossgun that will blow right through BOTH front legs at that range. I knew when I clicked it that likely wasn't the answer you were looking for. Yeah, I would have taken that 15 yd shot with my old compound bow too.

From: Gray Ghost
08-Jul-17
I stopped playing after Clue #1. Poor angle? LOL! If you can't make that shot, you should be at home, or at the range, practicing.

Oh wait, I guess I'm suppose to wait for the deer to stop and look at me, so he can jump the string. I see.

Sorry Pat, but this contest is bunk from the start.

Matt

From: Pat Lefemine
08-Jul-17
Some of you guys should consider a career at CNN.

From: Gray Ghost
08-Jul-17
At 15 yards, give me a slowly walking, unaware deer with his nose to the ground over a stopped alerted deer looking right at me, any day.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, Pat.

Matt

From: JTV
08-Jul-17
GG, if you won a million dollars tax free you'd be beechin' ... smh

From: Gray Ghost
08-Jul-17
Not "beechin'", whatever that means. I just flat out disagree with the "correct" answer to Clue #1.

After reviewing the video, I'd say the hunter was lucky to kill this deer. He waited entirely too long to shoot. By the time he does shoot, the deer was obviously alerted to the hunter, and his body language suggests he was a fraction of a second from bolting. There was 15-20 seconds worth of better shot opportunities before the one he took, especially when the deer was looking away.

Matt

From: drycreek
08-Jul-17
I'm one of the " beechers " too, but tongue-in-cheek. It's a frickin game guys ! Here is the main fact: Ifs and buts aside, the damn deer is dead, Pat's eating his steaks, and he's going on the wall ! It doesn't make any difference what I would have done, 'cause that sucker didn't walk in front of me.......

From: Gray Ghost
08-Jul-17
Good point, Drycreek. I'm happy it all worked out for Pat. But, to suggest this was the only "correct" way to kill this deer is wrong, IMO.

At least I don't see a pile of corn in the video. That's encouraging. ;-)

Matt

From: txhunter58
08-Jul-17
Another thing is that the arrow is coming from the right of the camera and looks to me like the exit hole will be back of the entry. Possibly only 1 lung and liver? So another reason to use caution.

I just smile at guys that get overwrought over these blood trails. Yes, I get riled up a bit with I don't choose the answer that Pat calls "correct", and I disagree strongly with the "right" answer, but then I remember: this is a game and is an OPINION. There is no right or wrong. That is why we have this thread, so discuss and see what other guys think.

From: tradmt
08-Jul-17
Yeah, I agree with Ghost, the angle is broadside so that's fine, and a slow steady gait at 15 yards is just as doable ( and less likely to jump the string ) than the 'alert and staring at the hunter shot' that was taken.

I also thought that the shot was a touch far back as well but maybe it's more quartering away than it appears. I chose 45 min wait.

08-Jul-17
Hilarious stuff. I finally understand why these Bloodtrailing contests are so much fun.

From: KJC
08-Jul-17
The concept of the game isn't that difficult. Choose the answer that's most right.

From: tradmt
08-Jul-17
Lol, no doubt! I think the most hilarious part is zero points for a 15 yard broadside deer!

From: NvaGvUp
08-Jul-17
OK, I admit it. I didn't get the best answer for #4.

After all, it is clear as day from the video that the arrow came nowhere near the guts, so I dismissed that choice immediately. None of the other choices were attractive, so I sort of arbitrarily picked one of those and only got three points as a result.

From: drycreek
08-Jul-17
Au contraire mon frere, the concept of the game is to choose the answer that PAT thinks is most right !

From: txhunter58
08-Jul-17
What else would it be? It is his football!

From: NvaGvUp
08-Jul-17
Yeah, there is that!

But when Pat shows us a video which proves beyond any doubt that the arrow went nowhere near the guts, why would anyone think not seeing gut material on the arrow would be at all relevant?

From: KJC
08-Jul-17
Put yourself in the hunters position without the aid of video playback. What you think you see is not always what you saw.

From: NvaGvUp
08-Jul-17
When I drop the string, I know where the arrow then hit. Esp. when it's a lay-up 15 yard shot!

That said, asking the players to deny what they saw on the video is absurd!

Pat posted the video as part of the challenge, so don't presume something which is in no way the case.

From: Ucsdryder
08-Jul-17
Agreed on 4 being a weird one. Might as well put an answer "blood had no brain matter on it." Well duh! It was a foot away from the guts.

From: dm/wolfskin
08-Jul-17
Pat, you wouldn't like it if there was no whining the peanut gallery.

From: txhunter58
08-Jul-17
Yep, and he is probably grinning at some of the assumptions that may or may not be true.

From: Ace
08-Jul-17
"I swear some folks just wait to drag it out and make it seem like they are cool. Dumb"

"I stopped playing after Clue #1. Poor angle? LOL! If you can't make that shot, you should be at home, or at the range, practicing."

Gotta love people who know so much that they don't mind making definitive statements that show their level of arrogance. These Blood Trail games are so much fun!

I enjoys these things Pat, and appreciate the work you go through to make them. They sure do get people's blood flowing, so I hope that's good for page views or clicks or whatever metric they measure, when you earn your Billions from Bowsite. (Insert whatever emoji shows I meant sarcasm) Did you ever wonder what would happen if you threw in a curve like a question about crossbows or mechanicals? Heads would explode.

Not sure why guys can't do (answer) what they think is right, and yet acknowledge that others have a different opinion.

From: Gray Ghost
08-Jul-17
Not sure why guys can't do (answer) what they think is right, and yet acknowledge that others have a different opinion.

And that's exactly what I did.

Pat killed the deer. Good for him. But.......

My hope is the intent of these games is to educate young or inexperienced bowhunters, not just increase traffic to Pat's website. A more educational game would have acknowledged other "correct" answers, not just the one's Pat chose.

Matt

08-Jul-17
On 1, I knew Pat wanted us to wait till the nearside leg was forward, but I'd take that shot at 15 yards if I'm at full draw. On two, I answered "correctly," but I'd put that arrow about an inch-and-a-half farther forward. On 3, I'd wait 30 mins on that shot, not 45 - especially if I had video of where he hit it. It was a solid hit. But 45 was "the most correct."

From: KBC
08-Jul-17
liked the CNN comment LOL

From: Ace
08-Jul-17
GG and you think that advising/teaching "young or inexperienced Bowhunters" to take a walking shot ( or shooting at a broadside buck while his near side leg is back) is a good idea? Please tell me that you don't teach Hunter Education?

From: PI
08-Jul-17
Wow , Most of these folks just dont get this task . Its not that complicated . Read the clue and make the best choice with the given information.

From: Grey Ghost
09-Jul-17
Ace,

At 15 yards, yes I would for the reasons I've already stated.

Matt

From: woodguy65
09-Jul-17
I like these challenges and reading the responses afterwards. I have no problem with guys shooting at the angle - but I wouldn't.

I thought the hardest question was question 4 - what does the arrow tell you. I got 9's on the previous 3 questions and a 3 on this one - I said clean pass through....you know since it was on video and there was a lighted knock used. LOL

How many times you think Pat replayed that video waiting the 45 min to track the deer. haha

From: Knife2sharp
09-Jul-17
Regarding the front leg, why is the consensus that a front leg being back is a bad thing, when it's back the scapula, which is closer to the vitals moves forward, thus exposing more. When the front leg is forward, the scapula comes down. Next time you skin a deer, check for yourself. I think it's more important the front leg isn't moving when the arrow is released since it could cause some deflection. I got number one wrong because the options didn't mention the position of the leg, but just the angle.

From: tradmt
09-Jul-17
This stuff is entertaining for sure!

I don't see where the leg being back is in the way at 15 yards from a tree stand. I killed a doe at 30 yards from the ground that stood in that position, one blade of the Muzzy was shredded from hitting the humerus so on the level it was close but you have a lot more room from above.

Honestly though, if you can't breach a deer humerus with a compound bow you need to rethink your arrow build.

From: drycreek
09-Jul-17
"My only regret is that I have but one life to give for my country" attributed to Nathan Hale

" I know not what others may choose, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death " Patrick Henry

"My only regret is that I only get one clue a day, but as for me, give me a good blood trail challenge, or get the hell out of the way ". drycreek

From: Barty1970
09-Jul-17
Meanwhile, back at the ranch... Having spent ages looking at the blood spots in question 5, and reckoning the deer went one way...to find the answer was 180 degrees the other way Are there any good 'how to read blood spots ' videos out there? Many thanks in advance

From: Xprez
09-Jul-17
I was with you Barty.

From: yooper89
09-Jul-17
Barty - you can just move in one direction and drip water out of a glass or with your fingertips. Watch the direction in which the droplets of water splash. It seems to me they tend to splash in the same direction you're moving.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

From: JTV
09-Jul-17
Yooper, your correct, Ive known that for 30yrs of bowhunting ...its a wonder some on here can even find their deer or how many blow it 'cause of poor shot selection. Some are also better trackers than others too ... ...lol ...

From: Buckhunter
09-Jul-17
I was just looking through the top 1000 scores and saw pat's name with 9 points. I thought this was one of his bloodtrails does he not remember his own bloodtrail? Or does he just suck at playing this game?

From: Fulldraw1972
09-Jul-17
The little twig also reveals the direction of travel.

From: Barty1970
10-Jul-17
Thanks Xprez, Yooper, YTV and Fulldraw...just confirming what I thought I possibly kinda perhaps maybe knew ;-) That said, darling wife and I had great fun putting the drops of water to the test, as we both had had a Serious Adult Discussion re: which direction the deer had taken...does the tail of droplets with 'tail' indicating direction of travel etc...lo and behold! Water droplets dripped from a moving teaspoon do indeed accurately replicate the forward movement/direction of travel. Sort of. And it didn't help that our Parson Russell terrier was trying to drink the water during the course of our clinically-focussed experiement. Everyday's a school-day and that's why I love Bowsite...who needs television when you can make your own entertainment?!

From: Fuzzy
10-Jul-17
a little "over" 45 minutes? lol ... I'd be on the trail in 29 minutes and 36 seconds....

From: Brotsky
10-Jul-17
I used the directional blood droplets to find a buck with a buddy last fall that he had made a less than stellar shot on. He actually hit it in the neck and had nicked the jugular. The blood was coming and kept coming but it was incredibly spotty. The mule deer buck was running full out in open terrain and didn't stop until he tipped over. We recovered him about 3/4 of a mile from the shot. Using the tell tale directional tails on the blood we were able to find the next droplets and the next droplets based upon direction of travel. It was a great real world experience using something we talk about on Bowsite all the time! That buck would have been a great blood trail challenge!

From: RTH3210
10-Jul-17
A few thoughts on the Bloodtrail challenge.

Does that buck really net 195 points?

Disturbed leaves and vegetation as well as tracks are all better indicators of direction of travel than blood drop patterns. It is normal that deer would be traveling away from the direction of shot at 50 yards or less from location unless unusual geographic features would alter course.

Blood drop splatter patterns only tell direction of travel of blood, not direction of travel of the deer. Often blood splatters at a right angle to the direction of travel. Lung shot deer blows out to sides with little forward indication unless deer is moving very fast.

This is interesting.

From: Glunt@work
10-Jul-17
Canadian bucks often are deceiving due to their big bodies. The splatter questions asks for the most likely direction. Even in the pic you can see a few splatters that don't match, but looking at it as a whole, the most likely direction makes sense.

From: HerdManager
10-Jul-17
I see everyone is totally on board with the "it's just a game" mentality!! /:^)

From: 12yards
10-Jul-17
It is not just a game! Pat might just as well have launched an ICBM!

From: Mpdh
10-Jul-17
Maybe I missed something, but here's a question. How do some people have scores like 30 or 39? When I get a question wrong I get zero.

From: keith
10-Jul-17
For me, the answer to 4 was blood on the arrow. It tells me it was a hit and not a clean miss.

From: Fuzzy
10-Jul-17
Mpdh, some answers to some questions get partial credit.

From: TD
10-Jul-17
I have to go with a bunch of folks here..... See no reason not to take that 15 yard shot.... where I'm gonna put it the leg position makes no difference at that angle. I'd have gone couple inches forward of "C", right over and straight up the leg. In the "V".

But then there wouldn't have been a blood trailing game.... you'd have watched him go down..... heheheheh..... Honestly I thought the hit was a bit back to my preference, wouldn't have gone right after him with that shot. Not gut but depending on angle back lung(s) maybe liver. I have a feeling we shall soon know.

From: Fulldraw1972
10-Jul-17
Everyone should get a 9 on question 6. It's pretty easy.

From: milnrick
10-Jul-17
Fulldraw72..

Make that ALMOST everyone. I totally blew that one.

10-Jul-17
Lol! Yup, milnrick....I whiffed on question 6, too!! Doh!!

Pat, This game needs a "Mulligan" option!! :-D

From: Glunt@work
10-Jul-17
Too mild. Waiting for bombshell controversy, highly subjective answer or wording trickery to show up.

From: drycreek
10-Jul-17
Yeah Glunt, Pat's bound to have something up his sleeve after that gimme on 6.

From: pipe
10-Jul-17
That's so cool,...I saw on my cell phone a dead ringer for a deer's head with eye looking at me in mid quadrant C. Did anyone else see that?

10-Jul-17
I still maintain that B was the right shot to make. But that's not the shot that Pat made.

TMBB

From: caribou77
10-Jul-17
Wow 6 was a gimme!

From: Two Feathers
10-Jul-17
I hate this It's blood spatter not blood splatter.

From: PI
10-Jul-17
At first I thought that log in A and B was connected to the Antlers in D so I was thinking the choices would have a combo choice ... they didn't , That left only D as the answer and the fake deer body must have been a log or something else. Still at 100 % ... Knock wood.

From: tundrajumper
11-Jul-17
I saw the face to, how did I miss the antlers.

11-Jul-17
I have 100% on the questions. I am not 100% on the answers. Someday I will learn to read the questions before answering rather than skimming the question. It is kinda fun though.

From: Fuzzy
11-Jul-17
this one is kind of a chip-shot so far...

From: Pat Lefemine
11-Jul-17
Well, since it is so easy I guess I'll need to step it up on the last two questions. I find the volume of perfect scores so far, unacceptable.

From: PI
11-Jul-17
Bring it on but don't w"rack" your brain parts. Thanks for the entertainment Pat.

From: Broken Arrow
11-Jul-17
Question 7: Study the video carefully, Is the left nut or right nut bigger on this buck?

From: PI
11-Jul-17
" Busted shaft " why the obsession with his ball bag ?

From: Brotsky
11-Jul-17
Question 8: What was the hunter's blood alcohol content during the celebration after harvesting this buck?

From: Fuzzy
11-Jul-17
uh, I smell a "where's Snookie" coming up....

From: Ace
11-Jul-17
Over thought number 7 and blew it! Once again I crumbled under the pressure of taking a perfect score into the late innings.

From: Fuzzy
11-Jul-17
well crap, I blew it on 7 and I knew better, just wasn't thinking

From: Butternut40
11-Jul-17
Score Panic lol

From: yooper89
11-Jul-17
^^ Fuzzy what happened to the chip shot?!

I blew my perfect game on question 7 as well, dang it!

From: Pat Lefemine
11-Jul-17
Evil laugh

From: The END
11-Jul-17
This is the first BTC that requires absolutely no thought.

From: Fuzzy
11-Jul-17
lol

From: Glunt@work
11-Jul-17
Question 8 will have to be some impossible riddle to make up for 1-7.

From: T Mac
11-Jul-17
Don't think I've ever got perfect score and agree it's unacceptable! Bring on the trickery for 8!

From: drycreek
11-Jul-17
Somebody moved the organs on that buck !:-)

From: caribou77
11-Jul-17
7..... so obvious it's hard. Lol

From: Knife2sharp
11-Jul-17
Question 8 will be the elusive, guess the score.

From: grizzlyadam
11-Jul-17
I never get the vitals hit questions right. Maybe I need an app.

From: PI
12-Jul-17
Yep , I tanked too. Partial credit . Sobering for sure. Good for you Pat.

12-Jul-17
I find it interesting. I had an almost identical hit on a deer some time ago with a different result. I should have gone with my instinct rather than my experience.

From: 12yards
12-Jul-17
If it weren't for that ridiculous question 1 I'd be 100%! Dang! LOL. Anyways, all I can say is that buck is a fricken beast!! Congrats Pat! What was the field dressed weight on that thing?

From: JusPassin
12-Jul-17
So much for the "mandatory" 45 minute wait.

From: Starfire
12-Jul-17
Just did the first question and that's enough for me on another stupid bloodtrail challenge, Nothing wrong with the angle. The position of the shoulder might be poor but that has nothing to do with the angle. Anyone who passes on a broad side shot either doesn't hunt enough or hunts takes too many managed hunts with unreal expectations.

From: Pyrannah
12-Jul-17
woohoo perfect score.. first time!!

From: Brotsky
12-Jul-17
This was too easy Pat! You need to step up your game! Ha!

From: JTV
12-Jul-17
72 !! .........

12-Jul-17
I agreed with all of the answers once I understood the questions. Now I know why this country is in political trouble. If like minded folks disagree on something they all love.....

From: Griz34
12-Jul-17
63 was a perfect score for this one. The place you hit this deer was wide open in question 1....just sayin:)

12-Jul-17
over thought question 7...only blemish getting 3 pts!

From: tradmt
12-Jul-17
"How far did this buck travel"

A little farther than it would have if shot at 15 yards in clue one! :)

Nice deer Pat and thanks for the BT challenge.

From: Pat Lefemine
12-Jul-17
I'll wait a couple days and then give everyone my opinion on shot 1. It probably won't change any minds but that's OK. It will certainly spark dialogue and that's the objective to these challenges - it's not about getting a high score.

From: deaver25btb
12-Jul-17
Wrong Pat!! It's all about getting a high score!!!

From: drycreek
12-Jul-17
I'm sure glad it ain't about getting a high score :-). This was probably the easiest one ever,(in my mind) and I scored lower than any other I think.

I appreciate the time and effort it takes to put these up Pat, I just wish you could kill more stuff !

From: yooper89
12-Jul-17
66 for me. Question #7 hurt!

From: elkmtngear
12-Jul-17
Tradmt nailed it lol.

Perfect score...other than that pesky first question. Looking forward to that dialogue... great buck, Pat!

Best of Luck, Jeff

From: tradmt
12-Jul-17
Pat, things are always different when one is right there in the moment as opposed to looking at a still photo on an iPhone.

I feel the choice to shoot in clue one should at least have been worth some points. I shoot traditional, a slow moving deer at close range that is completely unaware of my presence is actually a better scenario, or at least just as good ( for me ) than the shot you took with the deer looking at you.

From: Chris S
12-Jul-17
First time I ever got 100% finally no try I questions to stump me!!

From: caribou77
12-Jul-17
I've seen deer travel any one of those distances after a shot like that. Somehow I managed to guess correctly.

From: Fulldraw1972
12-Jul-17
First time for a high score for me. I do think this was an easy one. It's either that or I have learned what pat sets up for the right answer.

I probably would have shot sooner when it comes to question 1. However camera angle and hunter angle are always different. Not to mention looking back is different then when it's happening live.

I doubt I would have waited 45 minutes either. If I am certain I am in lungs I tend to get impatient.

Thanks Pat I have always liked the Bloodtrail challenges.

12-Jul-17
BTW Pat, Congrats on a great deer.

TMBB

From: Jack Harris
12-Jul-17
haven't been on in a while, but clearly this buck of a lifetime changed Pat's evil ways. My first "perfect score" - damn it was too easy for once. Congrats again Pat - remember watching the live hunt as if I was there.

From: JB
12-Jul-17
I'm with the guys who saw the optical illusion in C looking like a face with an eye. Never even got to D. Hit enter and then read the score. Went back and did the Homer Simpson. DOH!

From: JusPassin
12-Jul-17
Pat, regardless of all the bitchin, thanks a bunch for doing this.

From: BC
13-Jul-17
Very good Pat. Thanks for doing that.

13-Jul-17
Way to go team Rhode Island being in the top of all US states, thanks Pat for this game it is a ton of fun! The one trip up question to me seemed to be question three, seemed to me that the " get right down and take up the trail" should have been partial credit since by the time you collect gear and get down some time would have passed and noting that checking blood on arrow would have been the final decision on whether to track immediately or not, but it was a personal judgment question so all depends on who makes up the question/answer. Can't wait for blood trail 42

From: HerdManager
13-Jul-17
You do realize the only reason RI is top is because only 6 people from your state participated, and if they score reasonably well you get ranked high. Other states have lots of people participating, and some of them don't even finish the challenge, so your state score tanks.

#2 is Saskatchewan, with 4 participants. #3 is Nevada, with 3 participants.

From: Fuzzy
13-Jul-17
dang, this was the absolute easiest ever and I STILL blew the perfect score! Aaackk!!!

13-Jul-17
Sorry Herd but the deer here in Rhode Island are way harder to track than those #33 Ranked PA deer hunters!

From: elkmtngear
13-Jul-17
Aw, c'mon Charlie...you know the deer is going to be on one side of the Island, or the other...eventually you'll walk up on it ;^)

From: butcherboy
13-Jul-17
63. I missed the blood spatter one. lol I just never pay attention to the blood spatter enough to figure out which way it went. I go by the last direction I saw it traveling, tracks, disturbed ground, etc. guess I better learn how to decipher those little splatters!

Great game, enjoy the heck out of the BTC's!

From: OFFHNTN
13-Jul-17
I demand a recount! 66. Partial points on question 7 with lung and heart answer, thought the exit looked too low to get both lungs, so I want to see the pictures of the organs!!!

Kidding! Great blood trail as always Pat! Not a bad buck either! ;)

From: njbuck
13-Jul-17
I would have had a perfect score if it wasn't for that highly questionable answer on the first question!!!!

From: Mint
13-Jul-17
66 , thought it clipped the liver and one lung instead of both lungs.

From: bigbuckbob
13-Jul-17
How about "Find the buck in this picture" If you were out in the woods and you were looking for that buck, you'd have to be riding on top of it too see the antlers as posted in the picture. And how far did he run? that one could be anything from not at all to 300 yards, even with that shot placement. How do I know? Because I've seen both having hunted for 48 years with a bow. Ok, so those are the ones I missed, let's be honest here. I love the game, great fun.

From: HerdManager
13-Jul-17
I missed the last one too. I figured a 350-pound Canadian monster buck would make it further than 75 yards.

From: Ungie01201
13-Jul-17
I'm with you Herd... I was torn between the 75 yard one and the 150. I assumed since they "got turned around" in the thicket question w/ the blood splatter that is somehow went farther than I would have expected. Plus, the deer was huge like you said. Usually some sort of twist...was doing great up to that question.

From: drycreek
13-Jul-17
I'd have gotten a perfect score too.......if I'd got all the answers right !

13-Jul-17
Ya if the deer only went 75 yards you would have thought from tree you would have heard or seen deer go down, so in question 3 that I got wrong for putting "track deer immediately" was only wrong because hunter was to busy making celebratory cell phone calls and that's why it took 45 min to get down to get deer :)

From: Deebz
14-Jul-17
My first perfect score! Stud buck too...

From: Elkman
16-Jul-17
If this buck went down in 75 yards you possibly could have seen him and definitely heard him crash. Due to fading light and predator situation I would have searched immediately every time. No way I would wait 45 minutes.

From: Vexie
16-Jul-17
All 9's except the first one, which I didn't agree with, but that's A-OK

Thanks for the Challenge and Fun

From: bigbuckbob
20-Jul-17
Question #3 - I have to protest the correct answer for #3 and here's why. In the first clue it states you're in the last 15 minutes of your last day. That means it will be dark in 45 minutes in bear / coyote country. Waiting the long is not correct. Either look immediately or wait till the morning light. If you're wrong about short placement then you'll be pushing the deer in the dark by waiting 45 min. If you're right about shot placement then the deer is dead, get it ASAP. JMHO.

From: Knife2sharp
20-Jul-17
So where is the excuse, I mean explanation for question 1? : O

From: JohnB
20-Jul-17
I think seeing as how I made my first Pope and Young convention this year in St. Louis, shaking Pats hand meeting Charlie and passing out Mo deer jerky my blood trail challenge ability's greatly increased perfect score! Watch out this fall!

From: Griz34
20-Jul-17

Griz34's Link
Here is the link Knife2sharp.

From: agentmontana
01-Aug-17
i would have deer in the freezer and an F on the test!! I am shooting!!

From: BTbowhunter
09-Aug-17
Did all the questions today. Questions 3 and 4 have more than one correct answer. Maybe an inexperienced hunter should wait a bit, but that hit was a no brainer. That deer most likely died just in or just out of sight and undoubtedly crashed in earshot. Coyotes, bears, and wolves in that light could be on that deer in minutes. In the 5-10 minutes it should take to get down safely, that deer is already at risk. Maybe a rokie should wait but any bowhunter with a bit of experience ought to know what that shot and that arrow mean. Deer down and probably very close by.

From: Buck-man
09-Aug-17
I5 yard initial shot was perfect for me. game over. 30 yard trail.

From: Per48R
13-Aug-17
The listed answer has several possible reasons. 1. to be controversial (click bait). 2. to cover those people who do not/will not know deer anatomy 3. because that is your official stance (see item 2). 15 yards, nothing in the way (including leg bone or scapula bone), deer that is smelling something and almost ready to run. It's now or never and a chip shot. Take the shot, unless your get busted during the draw he is yours. If you get busted during the draw you don't shoot. Even those covered by item 2 should understand that.

From: Pete53
14-Aug-17
that`s a give-me at 15 yards ,my zwickey eskimo I hand sharpen 2 blade with bleeders has kill many bucks and at that angle too ! I have bowhunter over 50 some years whoever said that's a bad angle is a real rookie ! must be a city-it !!!

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