Black Gold Sights
My elk Challenge
Elk
Contributors to this thread:
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
GhostBird 01-Aug-17
Brotsky 01-Aug-17
greg simon 01-Aug-17
elkstabber 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
Arrowflinger 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
Franzen 01-Aug-17
Scoot 01-Aug-17
razorhead 01-Aug-17
elkmtngear 01-Aug-17
BK 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
Old School 01-Aug-17
EmbryO-klahoma 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
Charlie Rehor 01-Aug-17
Vonfoust 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
ElkNut1 01-Aug-17
BigOk 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
Jaquomo 01-Aug-17
Bowfreak 01-Aug-17
Destroyer350 01-Aug-17
Jaquomo 01-Aug-17
Bowfreak 01-Aug-17
Ron Niziolek 01-Aug-17
publichunter1 01-Aug-17
scrapwood 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
Jaquomo 01-Aug-17
farmer33 01-Aug-17
Jaquomo 01-Aug-17
GotBowAz 01-Aug-17
Glunt@work 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
ElkNut1 01-Aug-17
t-roy 01-Aug-17
Hackbow 01-Aug-17
jordanathome 01-Aug-17
EmbryOklahoma 01-Aug-17
antlerman 01-Aug-17
Treeline 01-Aug-17
orionsbrother 01-Aug-17
SBH 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
Chief 419 01-Aug-17
fisherick 01-Aug-17
Native Okie 01-Aug-17
Muddyboots 01-Aug-17
EmbryOklahoma 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-17
BigOk 01-Aug-17
Treeline 01-Aug-17
JohnB 02-Aug-17
ELKMAN 02-Aug-17
ElkNut1 02-Aug-17
deerhaven 02-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 06-Aug-17
midwest 06-Aug-17
bulldancer 06-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 12-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 12-Aug-17
Paul@thefort 12-Aug-17
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From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17

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If elk hunting is not challenging enough, when one picks up the bow, this surely adds another level of difficulty to the hunt. Eight years ago I won a Great Plains 55# recurve bow at the CBA jamboree and even back then I had as a goal to kill an elk with that bow. Since this time, I have killed a few turkeys and two whitetail deer with the stick but no elk and even though I have tried a few times, I seem to switch back to the compound bow when the season is nearing it's end so to up my odds of a kill.

So, this year is the challenge year, yep, the challenge to kill my next elk with the stick and maybe a larger challenge is just to leave the compound bow at home.

From: GhostBird
01-Aug-17
Go for it Paul... your not getting any younger :)

From: Brotsky
01-Aug-17
Good luck Paul! Win or lose I'm sure it will be an adventure worth remembering!

From: greg simon
01-Aug-17
Good luck!!! I'm looking forward to an elk photo with that bow in it.

From: elkstabber
01-Aug-17
Elk and recurves were made for each other in thick cover.

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17

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So to add to my shooting consistency out to 30 yards, I have added a one pin sight to the 55# bow. I set the pin for 20 yards and if the elk is at 30 yards, I hold the 20 yard pin on its spine and its drops 17 inches into the kill area. In the past shooting instinctive , with the first arrow of the day and this was after practicing many days, that first arrow might be off target and hit the rump, the neck and I just did not feel comfortable shooting an elk. Yea, deer from a tree stand and turkeys from a blind at 10 yards, but elk, NOT.

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17

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not sure were the deer picture came from so here is my bow set up with the one pin sight.

From: Arrowflinger
01-Aug-17
Get em Paul! Will be great to see the Pic of you with your bull.

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17

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As GhostBird stated, "Paul you are not getting any younger, so go for it :)"

At 77 years, the CHALLENGE again takes on another level of excitement and apprehension. For the last two months my weekly workout consists of riding my mt bike, (on flat trails) for 20 miles every other day, and then on the odd days, hiking 3-4 miles with at 15# back pack. Chase the lab, loves these hikes

From: Franzen
01-Aug-17
Well, now you are banned from the Leatherwall Paul! ;^) Good luck sir, and bring us back a story.

From: Scoot
01-Aug-17
Go get 'em, Paul! I'm sure you'll take pics and share with us here, which is greatly appreciated and enjoyed. Have fun, be safe, and good luck!

From: razorhead
01-Aug-17
I would like to see a front photo of that bow, to see how that site is put on that bow,,,,,, that is a good idea, never had a stick I could put a pin on,,,,,,,,,

From: elkmtngear
01-Aug-17

From: BK
01-Aug-17
I've said it before, but thats one good looking Lab. A true Lab head, the way they are suppose to be.

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17

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my spike camp from two years ago, but less the compound bow this year
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my spike camp from two years ago, but less the compound bow this year
Two years ago I hunted a limited draw unit and was successful, killing a cow elk with the compound bow. I will be returning to this same unit this season, with stick in hand. Next week I will hike up two miles and gain 1400 ft in elevation and set up my spike camp for the season and then a few days before the season, I will arrive back there ready for the hunt. I plan on staying up there for two weeks solo, if needed so I am taking enough food, supplies to last that long. And yes, lots of reading material to fill in the quite time of the day. There is a local packer within 5 miles that can pack down the bagged up elk meat for a reasonable fee.

From: Old School
01-Aug-17
Good luck Paul. I shoot a recurve, longbow and compound and have done the same as you when it comes to choosing to take the compound to the mountains due to increased range from 25 yards to 50 yards. I want to get a few elk under my belt before I seek a "bigger" challenge with trad gear for elk. I see enough Whitetails here in Missouri that it doesn't bother me when I have to pass on one at 40 yards because I've got my longbow in my hand. If that happened on my 10 day elk hunt, I'd be kicking myself.

--Mitch

01-Aug-17
Good luck on your challenge, Paul! I might just challenge myself this year and leave my compound at home. I've always wanted to kill a P&Y class buck with my curve. Only one way to do that!

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17
Rick, the WT buck in the first picture was the very first PY deer I had killed and yes, with the stick. I left the compound bow at home.

01-Aug-17
Good luck!

From: Vonfoust
01-Aug-17
Good luck! Can't wait for pictures!

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17
Razonhead, I purchased the one pin sight from 3-Rivers Archery for $6. It can be taped on or attached with two screws. I elected to screw it on. (make sure you drill pilot holes for the screws so the facing material does not crack.) I did modify the pin by putting on a orange plastic dot that will show up under lower light conditions.

From: ElkNut1
01-Aug-17
Way to go Paul! I'm pulling for you 100% - You can do it! (grin) I'm picking up the Longbow for the 1st time in 5-6 years so I'm taking the challenge too. Good Luck Sir!

ElkNut/Paul

From: BigOk
01-Aug-17
Good Luck with the challenge.

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17
Thanks all, more to come as the pre hunt comes together. Only 25 days to go. It is my biking day so I better be off. my best, Paul

From: Jaquomo
01-Aug-17
I have no doubt you'll get it done. Then on to the next challenge!

Today's my "climb a mountain with a pack" day, so I have to go too. :)

From: Bowfreak
01-Aug-17
Awesome Paul and I am sure you will get it done. Just think of it this way....you could really handicap yourself and use my elk experience too. :)

What is a reasonable fee for a packer in Colorado? I might be interested if I can't get otcwill for a 6 pack of beer.

From: Destroyer350
01-Aug-17
Good luck Paul! I look forward to the story and a grip and grin pic!

From: Jaquomo
01-Aug-17
Mark, the permitted packers I know typically charge 400-500, depending upon how far, how far they have to travel, how many horses are needed. But as busy as they are I don't trust them to be available.

I think Paul's "packer" is our friend who has mules and lives in the area.

From: Bowfreak
01-Aug-17
For $500 I'll just hump it if am so lucky.

From: Ron Niziolek
01-Aug-17
Good luck Paul. Love that you're chasing the passion and new challenges.

01-Aug-17
Good luck big man!

From: scrapwood
01-Aug-17
If anyone can do it, Paul can! Please keep posting. This thread already has me inspired!

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17
Bowfreak, Two years ago the near by packer would bring down the bagged elk meat for $250. It might be $300 this year. The bags need to be near the trial and ready to go. He provides his wrangler, and two other horses. To do this my self, it would require four round trips.

From: Jaquomo
01-Aug-17
That's a deal! I'd pay that in a heartbeat. The packers I know in NoCo charge $450-500. Same with the ones I've contacted in NW Wyo.

From: farmer33
01-Aug-17
Does the sight not interfere with arrow flight? Looks awfully low. I guess you could lower your anchor point and raise the sight up. thoughts

From: Jaquomo
01-Aug-17

From: GotBowAz
01-Aug-17
Great quest! Good luck Paul. cant wait to read your results.

From: Glunt@work
01-Aug-17
Good luck Paul. I predict a great story.

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17
Farmer 33, "thoughts". Actually plenty of clearance so no need to change anchor point or to raise the sight up.. The pin is 1 7/8 inch above the arrow rest. Thanks for the question. Paul

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17

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The Magnus 125 g BH will be at the killing end
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The Magnus 125 g BH will be at the killing end
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and then add the white and yellow fletching and yellow cresting. Ready to go. Now to add some very RED to the arrow.
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and then add the white and yellow fletching and yellow cresting. Ready to go. Now to add some very RED to the arrow.
My arrow shaft of choice is the Gold Tip Traditional 600. Cut to Length of 30.5. at 9.1 gpi. Total weight with a 125 g BH will be 510 grains. Just right for the Great Plains recurve at 55#.

From: ElkNut1
01-Aug-17
I agree, great setup you've got there! I am surprised though you can shoot a 600 spine arrow? I would think 500 spine would be about right for bow poundage & arrow length!

ElkNut/Paul

From: t-roy
01-Aug-17
Looking forward to this thread, Paul!

From: Hackbow
01-Aug-17
Also looking forward to following your elk season Paul. Go get 'em!

From: jordanathome
01-Aug-17
EXCELLENT choice in Broadhead!!!!

Best of luck!

01-Aug-17

From: antlerman
01-Aug-17
Best of luck Paul. This same challenge has been mine for the last 7 years. I've came so close yet have felt so heart broke after missing 2 bulls the last 2yrs out west. I wouldn't trade any of my hunts I've been on and the memories I've made chasing elk with my recurve. I wouldn't take a free plane ride to shoot a 400" bull with a rifle, but I would crawl out there to get a 15 yard shot at a 300" bull with my recurve.

This is what makes hunting so much fun is chasing after whatever you wana hunt with which ever weapon you choose to use. This is what feeds our hunger with each hunt we go on and keeps us hungering for more.

Thank all you veterans' out there for serving so we all can have the freedom to this great country to pursue our passions.

I just hope I can still be chasing the critters at 77 years young. Good luck Paul and enjoy it like its always the last one. Shane

From: Treeline
01-Aug-17
Hey, Paul! Glad you are going to take up the challenge!

Your arrow and broadhead selection are good. That arrow weight is plenty out of your setup for elk. Have killed a pile of elk with lighter arrows than that off longbows, but prefer heavier given the choice. Your choice in broadheads is going to be a bit limiting for shot angle due to penetration, but it will work well on a broadside or slight quartering shot and will leave a good blood trail.

I really like 3-blade broadheads - Snuffers, VPA, Razor Caps, etc for elk. You will get better penetration with a 2-blade, but I would recommend going to a single bevel and a bit more weight (150 up to 250 grain) to allow for more effective penetration from more potential angles.

Sounds like your pin setup will help a lot, coming from shooting a compound for so long. You may want to try setting up a kisser button to ensure you are drawing consistently.

One of the extreme advantages I have seen from hunting with a traditional bow is being able, with practice, to shoot from a very low angle/profile. You may want to practice shooting from a sitting/kneeling position trying to get as low as possible to the ground. The pin won't work for that, but it can be a deal sealer if you have a bull come in hot to very close range - like 10 feet or less. Try practicing at 10 yards getting as low as possible to know what the shot feels like.

You will do just fine with the 'curve!

01-Aug-17
I'm not buying the "old guy" schtick. From the threads that I've seen, Paul can run circles around an awful lot of punks.

I hope you have a great season Paul. Best of luck to you. I'll be looking forward to the story of your hunt.

From: SBH
01-Aug-17
Paul- The Stick and String is the real deal in my opinion. I am a compound guy because I have too much to learn and already miss and wound enough as it is!! When I get a little more success under my belt, I hope to start down that path too. LEAVE that compound at home, give it all you got. Don't second guess it. Wether you kill one or not, it will be a great challenge and time in the woods which is what it's all about. Best of luck to you buddy, we're all pulling for ya.

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17
Interesting comments about the arrow spine. I agree, I also thought the 500 would be the best spine until I bare shafted the arrow ie, the 400, 500 and 600. The 600 did the very best and when fitted with fetching, etc, they shoot great. These new 600 Gold Tip Traditional shafts are, 9.1 gr per inch, the 500 are 10 gpi., the 400 slightly more.

Treeline, I will take your advice, half of my shooting is off my knees.

From: Chief 419
01-Aug-17
Stay tuned to this thread. I think Paul will be showing pictures of his recurve elk hunting success soon. Good luck on your hunt Paul. Looking forward to following along.

From: fisherick
01-Aug-17
2003 I shot my 1st bull elk and a nice buck with my compound bow and decided to only hunt with a recurve bow in the future. Since then I have taken several bucks, (confidence builders) hit a bull in 2008 that I didn't recover (heart breaker), and harvested a cow elk in 2012 while on crutches.(long story) Hang in there and wait for your shot, it will come. Your bow setup looks good and will do the job. Remember aim small, miss small. Paul good luck on your quest.

From: Native Okie
01-Aug-17
You'll get it done Paul!

From: Muddyboots
01-Aug-17
Looking forward to seeing you post with a nice elk and your Great Plains bow. I think you will enjoy your new weapon.

01-Aug-17
I see where you got the 9.1 gpi now Paul. Those are the GT traditional "classics". My bad.

Best of luck!

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17

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Since I hunted this area two years ago I know the area has limited areas to ambush an elk. My plan is to be more stealthful with very limited calling since I will be hunting solo, and hunt over a nearby wallow in a makeshift blind, or along a trail between bed and feed.

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-17

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When a cloud drifts over your hunting area that looks like a broad head, you know you are in the right spot.

From: BigOk
01-Aug-17
Absolutely, good luck to you.

From: Treeline
01-Aug-17
That one looks like a knapped point! You gonna try that next year, Paul?

BTW, they work better than you would think... Use chert for elk though, obsidian is too brittle...

From: JohnB
02-Aug-17
Wish you nothing but the best Paul and looking forward to your story and pictures!

From: ELKMAN
02-Aug-17
I have been doing the exact same thing! LOL

From: ElkNut1
02-Aug-17
No problem Paul, I'd too shoot/hunt with which flew best! Good luck to you, you'll have a great year!!

ElkNut/Paul

From: deerhaven
02-Aug-17
Best of luck!! Really great to see someone take on new challenges rather than trying to find a way to make things easier. Will look forward to seeing the story because I just got a new longbow and been working towards the same goal. Going to take some work before I have the confidence but I plan on giving it my all.

From: Paul@thefort
06-Aug-17

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Feesl good with 25#. Will be carrying 35# for the hike in
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Feesl good with 25#. Will be carrying 35# for the hike in
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a good omen, this young buck was at the bird feeder yesterday
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a good omen, this young buck was at the bird feeder yesterday
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and then add OLD GLORY and a rainbow, good luck for sure.
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and then add OLD GLORY and a rainbow, good luck for sure.
OK, thanks for all of the support and encouragement guys. Heading up to the area tomorrow for a week of camping and to scout around and set up two trail cameras.

Now to continue my training and just back from a 4 mile hike. Still doing the 20 mile mt bake ride ever other day. I purchased a new back pack, ie, the Eberlestock big top, 6000 for my pack in/out. I have a lighter day pack for daily use although this new pack would also work.

Nineteen days to the Colorado openers. my best, Paul

From: midwest
06-Aug-17
Good luck, Paul....you got this!

From: bulldancer
06-Aug-17
Paul, Good luck on your elk hunt. I hope you succeed in your challenge. You are a inspiration to me and many here, I am sure.May all the elk be up wind and shoot straight.

From: Paul@thefort
12-Aug-17

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the new pack met my expeditions. Chase was having a great time also.
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the new pack met my expeditions. Chase was having a great time also.
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found this moose cow on the way in
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found this moose cow on the way in
PHASE TWO, of the Challenge---------------Scouting Did the two mile hike, gaining 1400 ft in elevation to where I will spiking in and elk hunting

From: Paul@thefort
12-Aug-17

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love elk country
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love elk country
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and the summer flowers along the way
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and the summer flowers along the way
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mule deer bucks on the hillside
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mule deer bucks on the hillside
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Yep! elk country
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Yep! elk country

From: Paul@thefort
12-Aug-17

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wild berries as an extra treat.
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wild berries as an extra treat.
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one day by horse and not boots. Just a great day to be out.
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one day by horse and not boots. Just a great day to be out.

From: Paul@thefort
12-Aug-17
Only 13 days to the Colorado elk season. I will be leaving home on the 23rd and will be in spike camp two days before the starter. I set up two trail camera and will be excited to see the results of placing them. I did see two groups of elk during the scouting trip and one 5 pt bull elk.

Again the challenge is to use the recurve bow and then to leave the compound bow at home. More to come after the hunt. my best, Paul

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